[AneroidOcean]

(12-06-2016 12:02 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

Two times already shitty odds is still mediocre, but it also sounds like he's already got some pre-selection going for him if he's a promoter so that helps too, at least with locals. Was he paying for the tables?

You guys are fucking hilarious. There are a ridiculous number of places that couldn't even hold a candle to Vegas in terms of quality and those girls wanting to get laid and you're saying that the odds in a Vegas club are shitty.

I sometimes wonder where you guys live that there's 72 virgin "10s" all wanting to dance and party the night away with you and if that place exists how you get there.

[XXL]

(12-07-2016 04:21 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:02 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

Two times already shitty odds is still mediocre, but it also sounds like he's already got some pre-selection going for him if he's a promoter so that helps too, at least with locals. Was he paying for the tables?

You guys are fucking hilarious. There are a ridiculous number of places that couldn't even hold a candle to Vegas in terms of quality and those girls wanting to get laid and you're saying that the odds in a Vegas club are shitty.

I sometimes wonder where you guys live that there's 72 virgin "10s" all wanting to dance and party the night away with you and if that place exists how you get there.

They live in the past.

[Fightersword]

I'd take him over the simplepickup guys any day.

[PolymathGuru]

Guys, chill out. Anyone can get laid. You don't even need game. You just need to learn to settle for a 2. But for everyone else, you need to learn game and get into decent shape.

[LikeABaller]

Ok the guy is not what we can call good looking but thanks to our fucked up perception of gender economics people here think he is a 2 or 3 looks wise. He is not that ugly.

This guy is a solid 5 on looks scale if you compare him to the average male in US. (Average male in US is overweight)

With a suit maybe he can go home with a drunk 6 on a lucky night.

But there is no way he can pull quality tail consistently unless he makes 1m/year with a penthouse facing the empire state.

[Noir]

Why not. If he pulls he pulls.

If he comes recommended then I would have to go out with him and see for myself.

Assuming there's no hired guns or anything.

Most of the guys with actual game, wit and are charming have been through a fat/ugly stage at some point to develop such skills to overcome the negation of their fat/ugly features.

Of course, there is a reason why not a lot of guys like this get laid; it's fucking hard and you gotta be a man, not a child to come out with a pussy slaying skillset.

It's also important to note how much up the 0-10 scale he is banging.

I just find it fascinating how people jump up and try to find flaws in this video, from behind their screen.

If RSD picked him, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. It's probably a ploy to get more dadbod insecure guys to pay for products but I am sure they picked the right guy for that even too.

They are a company in the industry of getting guys laid. Period. Not laid with 9s and 10s but getting laid more than what they currently are.

If I was a World of Warcraft mouth breather that finally got kicked out of home and decided to clean my act up then this guy obviously knows more than me. I would inevitably learn a thing or two.

Would I pay money to learn game from him now? Probably not.

Does that mean he doesn't have game? Well, I can't tell from behind my screen but I would go out and check his skills.

I learned game from guys in fedora hats who were 31 and 39 when I was 16, meeting them in supermarket coffee shops.

They looked like this guy and they helped me learn a lot.

It comes down to what skills you value to learn from your mentor, ultimately.

[zatara]

Anyone that fat and under 50, male or female, just shows they have no intelligence, no self discipline or no work ethic. Or all three. It takes very little exercise/diet control to not be a fat lump, theres no excuse for it.

Even aside from the negative game implications of being fat that a lot of posters have touched on, its just awful for your health. Good luck with dying early, not being able to climb stairs, not being able to run for any reason etc.

I'm not even talking about someone being jacked here; just someone making sure they're a normal healthy weight.

So no, theres no way I would take life/game advice from someone who looks like that.

[John Michael Kane]

The answer is no. First off, there's so much great game advice out there you need not pay the massive sums RSD demands. Secondly, I have no respect for a man that looks that schubbly. Dude, clean up your act. I have a hard time believing that many women are interested in this guy if this is how he presents himself. Not credible.

[Comte De St. Germain]

After thinking about it for a while. The thing is I don't take anyone who wants to game period seriously until I've hung out with them for a while or someone I know vouches for them heavily.

It's one thing on an online forum where the merit of the advice given can be judged immediately, but if you want to sell me a way to do things from start to finish on some kind of "coaching level" we'd have to have hung out already no business required.

I don't trust any of these RSD guys much less anyone else who wants to fleece me for some game "training". I'd much rather learn from trial and error+improving myself.

[Prof. Ligate]

>Go to RVF Forum so don't have to put up with RSD-tier PUA bullshit
>Roosh himself drops a thread on an RSD guy and have to look at it anyway

[SlickyBoy]

(12-07-2016 07:18 AM)XXL Wrote:  

I sometimes wonder where you guys live that there's 72 virgin "10s" all wanting to dance and party the night away with you and if that place exists how you get there.


They live in the past.

In a sense, that's a true statement. Once upon a time, clubs did not suck; nowadays they generally do. They've become places where guys go to get rejected and girls go to get free drinks, if they go at all. Many threads on this subject.

Club or no club, I'd still have to see that guy pull to believe it.

[churros]

Woah major hate going on here. Actually this is straight up verging on game denialism. Say what your like about RSD, but this dude is getting laid, whether it fits your reality or not. What's more, he's getting paid to get laid.

It's called social circle game. This thread is verging on puahate.com. Sorry dudes but the gym can't fix everything.

[zatara]

(12-13-2016 09:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Woah major hate going on here. Actually this is straight up verging on game denialism. Say what your like about RSD, but this dude is getting laid, whether it fits your reality or not. What's more, he's getting paid to get laid.

It's called social circle game. This thread is verging on puahate.com. Sorry dudes but the gym can't fix everything.

I don't think its 'hate' to say that this guy is an unhealthy weight. Aside from any game related factors, it will cause him to struggle doing physical or sporting activities. And he will die younger as a result of it.

It could be easily fixed, and shows a serious lack of self-discipline not to do so.

[LikeABaller]

(12-13-2016 09:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Say what your like about RSD, but this dude is getting laid, whether it fits your reality or not.

Technically he might. But with who, that is the real question. Anyone can get laid with 4s or 5s and we wouldn't be in this forum if we were content with 4s or 5s would we?

If we could bet in real life about this I would put 1k of my own money into the table saying there is no way this guy is pulling 7s or above consistently unless he is a multi millionare or something.

Quote:

. This thread is verging on puahate.com. Sorry dudes but the gym can't fix everything.

Neither can game. No one is expecting him to look like a greekgod, even if he was 30-40 lbs overweight it'd be ok. But this guy is Eric Cartman and there is no way he is fucking 7s consistently.

[Beirut]

(12-14-2016 09:12 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 09:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Say what your like about RSD, but this dude is getting laid, whether it fits your reality or not.

Technically he might. But with who, that is the real question. Anyone can get laid with 4s or 5s and we wouldn't be in this forum if we were content with 4s or 5s would we?

If we could bet in real life about this I would put 1k of my own money into the table saying there is no way this guy is pulling 7s or above consistently unless he is a multi millionare or something.

Quote:

. This thread is verging on puahate.com. Sorry dudes but the gym can't fix everything.

Neither can game. No one is expecting him to look like a greekgod, even if he was 30-40 lbs overweight it'd be ok. But this guy is Eric Cartman and there is no way he is fucking 7s consistently.

I would probably take that bet.

Come on people, have you never been a part of or witnessed a local club scene, for example? Let alone one like Vegas.

Have you never had a sort of fat but funny alpha football player or class jokester in school for example who got girls?

If this guy is connected to a highend social circle, AND is game aware as he certainly is, then hes getting laid by decent quality.

I know many people scoff at bottle service guys, but thats because maybe 80% of them have 0 game awareness so they get used. Its not because theyre ugly or fat, its because they sit back, let girls drink then watch them go home.
For club girls and Vegas visitors, clubbing is a huge deal. Add to that that he may have highend friends that make his lifestyle appealing.

90% of girls who go to these clubs will find that more interesting than hanging out with a pretty boy sipping a beer at the bar.

He uses his friends and connections and lifestyle as value to the girl and thats more appealing than looks (hes not even ugly btw)



I seriously have no idea how so many are dismissing him. There are tons of guys like that. On average they get better quality than the average pretty boy.

Maybe ship him to a random bar for one night in a foreign country and you might have the edge, but in the city where hes established? Na.


This is all coming from a guy who absolutely hates social circle game and has none, but i can recognize effeciveness when i see it.

You will never have a constant steady stream of high quality without it. Im fine with that, but if i wasnt, id be listening to this kind of game.

[Irish]

I would take that bet also

You can never 100% tell from a few videos whether a guy is legit or not, but I would say he probably is. Just because from what I've seen from my own eyes - when it comes to nightgame, club social circle game is king when it comes to pulling the proper top end chicks. I need to watch more of his videos to form more of an opinion but the little that I have seen of him a lot of what he says rings true to my own experience.

Nightclub social circle game is an angle I have very much gravitated towards and it's brought me great success (for references see my RVF rep comments). Certainly a hell of a lot more than your average PUA approach monkey pinballing around the club like a blue arsed fly getting shot down left right and centre. It may require a bit of investment up front to work out the nightscene, get to know the right people and build up some social capital. But it pays serious dividends later on.

From my own experience, the vast majority of the guys I've known in my lifetime who consistently get the best quality pussy* (lookswise at least) have always been the popular party guys in the nightscene of a particular city. They're not PUA's and don't necessarily have the best 'game' per se, but are friendly, socially savvy, connected and usually have most of the popular night venues on lock.

Also, rarely are these dudes ever particularly good looking, a couple are even proper out of shape. The guy I know who bangs the best ass in Jakarta (apart from me of course ) is one of my best buddies and he's a fairly tubby guy, not particularly tall nor good looking. However I can honestly tell you he has 100% banged way hotter chicks there than anyone from this forum who's set foot in the city.

That said, of course that's no excuse to be a fat fuck. I'm sure I don't need to go into the importance of lifting, being healthy and in shape (especially not being in the best shape myself and sounding like a hypocrite). But for sure it doesn't mean you have to be built like a brick shithouse to nail top end birds.

Downside of this kind of social circle game of course is that it isn't much good if you're constantly travelling and city/country hopping. But that said by playing the social circle game you can usually build up a network of friends who live or know people in other cities. Thus when you plan to visit you have someone who can take you out with them and you're instantly moving in the right circles to go to the best places and access the top end chicks.

I'm sure I'm going to get shot down plenty for saying this but I stand by it...

*bar a very small minority of RVF guys with whom I'm now personal friends with

[LikeABaller]

(12-14-2016 09:35 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:12 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 09:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Say what your like about RSD, but this dude is getting laid, whether it fits your reality or not.

Technically he might. But with who, that is the real question. Anyone can get laid with 4s or 5s and we wouldn't be in this forum if we were content with 4s or 5s would we?

If we could bet in real life about this I would put 1k of my own money into the table saying there is no way this guy is pulling 7s or above consistently unless he is a multi millionare or something.

Quote:

. This thread is verging on puahate.com. Sorry dudes but the gym can't fix everything.

Neither can game. No one is expecting him to look like a greekgod, even if he was 30-40 lbs overweight it'd be ok. But this guy is Eric Cartman and there is no way he is fucking 7s consistently.

I would probably take that bet.

Come on people, have you never been a part of or witnessed a local club scene, for example? Let alone one like Vegas.

Have you never had a sort of fat but funny alpha football player or class jokester in school for example who got girls?

If this guy is connected to a highend social circle, AND is game aware as he certainly is, then hes getting laid by decent quality.

I know many people scoff at bottle service guys, but thats because maybe 80% of them have 0 game awareness so they get used. Its not because theyre ugly or fat, its because they sit back, let girls drink then watch them go home.
For club girls and Vegas visitors, clubbing is a huge deal. Add to that that he may have highend friends that make his lifestyle appealing.

90% of girls who go to these clubs will find that more interesting than hanging out with a pretty boy sipping a beer at the bar.

He uses his friends and connections and lifestyle as value to the girl and thats more appealing than looks (hes not even ugly btw)



I seriously have no idea how so many are dismissing him. There are tons of guys like that. On average they get better quality than the average pretty boy.

Maybe ship him to a random bar for one night in a foreign country and you might have the edge, but in the city where hes established? Na.


This is all coming from a guy who absolutely hates social circle game and has none, but i can recognize effeciveness when i see it.

You will never have a constant steady stream of high quality without it. Im fine with that, but if i wasnt, id be listening to this kind of game.

You made an excellent point on being established in a particular city . There is no doubt social circle will help. But you mentioned high end and what you're referring to is basically baller game. We should leave baller game out of this because I mentioned in my first post that unless he's a multi millionaire.

But we can all agree that nearly all 7s and above have some type of bitch shield. Day game wise I don't see this guy breaking any of those bitch shields. He will get crushed in day game

Night game wise, if this guy goes out solo or even with a wingman to a club I don't see him pulling a 7 or above. Maybe a drunk 6. He can easily pull 4s and 5s though.


But you're right on one thing, social circle game lets you punch waaay above your weight, I've seen some of my average looking friends end up with 8s. But again, I used the word "consistently". Even this guy might get 7s here and there from night game but I don't see a way of him doing it consistently unless he loses 70-80lbs.

The guy is definitely not ugly.

[LikeABaller]

@Irish

I've been to Indonesia 2 times. No offense but we should leave nearly all South East Asian countries out of this. It is one of the easiest countries to pull ass. I had girls on wechat initiating conversation with me without doing anything. In SEA its a different level of game, especially if you're a white guy you're basicallly considered 10x richer than the average local. So your skin color automatically makes it baller game. Even my grandfather can pull tail in Indonesia. If your friend gets similar results in South Korea he will have my respect.

[realologist]

(12-14-2016 11:48 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:35 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:12 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 09:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Say what your like about RSD, but this dude is getting laid, whether it fits your reality or not.

Technically he might. But with who, that is the real question. Anyone can get laid with 4s or 5s and we wouldn't be in this forum if we were content with 4s or 5s would we?

If we could bet in real life about this I would put 1k of my own money into the table saying there is no way this guy is pulling 7s or above consistently unless he is a multi millionare or something.

Quote:

. This thread is verging on puahate.com. Sorry dudes but the gym can't fix everything.

Neither can game. No one is expecting him to look like a greekgod, even if he was 30-40 lbs overweight it'd be ok. But this guy is Eric Cartman and there is no way he is fucking 7s consistently.

I would probably take that bet.

Come on people, have you never been a part of or witnessed a local club scene, for example? Let alone one like Vegas.

Have you never had a sort of fat but funny alpha football player or class jokester in school for example who got girls?

If this guy is connected to a highend social circle, AND is game aware as he certainly is, then hes getting laid by decent quality.

I know many people scoff at bottle service guys, but thats because maybe 80% of them have 0 game awareness so they get used. Its not because theyre ugly or fat, its because they sit back, let girls drink then watch them go home.
For club girls and Vegas visitors, clubbing is a huge deal. Add to that that he may have highend friends that make his lifestyle appealing.

90% of girls who go to these clubs will find that more interesting than hanging out with a pretty boy sipping a beer at the bar.

He uses his friends and connections and lifestyle as value to the girl and thats more appealing than looks (hes not even ugly btw)



I seriously have no idea how so many are dismissing him. There are tons of guys like that. On average they get better quality than the average pretty boy.

Maybe ship him to a random bar for one night in a foreign country and you might have the edge, but in the city where hes established? Na.


This is all coming from a guy who absolutely hates social circle game and has none, but i can recognize effeciveness when i see it.

You will never have a constant steady stream of high quality without it. Im fine with that, but if i wasnt, id be listening to this kind of game.

You made an excellent point on being established in a particular city . There is no doubt social circle will help. But you mentioned high end and what you're referring to is basically baller game. We should leave baller game out of this because I mentioned in my first post that unless he's a multi millionaire.

That's not baller game. You don't need to be a multi-millionaire to lock down a night spot. It takes more of an investment of time. Going there on off days, talking to the owner, managers, bartenders, bouncers.

You may have to drop some money in the beginning while doing that but as long as you bring hot girls and plenty of fun, owners will want you to keep coming and make sure you do.

[LikeABaller]

In Istanbul a table with bottle service at a decent night venue will cost 500$ at least. In NYC its even more. Let's say you go out at least once per week. Thats 2000$ on entertainment alone. If someone spending 2000$/pm on night game isn't baller then I don't know what is.

Not to mention regularly consuming alcohol is very unhealthy, it's very limiting for me if I have to go out at night constantly in order to get hot girls.

[subterfuge]

(12-02-2016 12:27 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Yep. I'm fortunate enough to be blessed with being over 6' and somewhat above average in the looks department. Even for me, cold approach day or night is tough, man, and even though I've been successful a couple times.

I don't frequent this forum enough to remember who is who, but I assumed you were one of the many here who basically gets laid non stop with lots of girls, but then if cold approach doesn't sound like it works for you too good, how do you do it? I'm guessing tinder like most guys? Or is it more social circle stuff? Something else?

And since you're tall and decent looking and presumably have good 'game', why do you think you don't do great with cold approach? Do you think it's possible to do well from cold approach alone?!

(that idea both depresses me since it's all I can really rely on at the mo, but also makes me feel better about my own constant rejections! )

cheers

[LikeABaller]

Online game is 90% about looks and night game is 80% about looks and dancing skills if you're going solo without knowing anyone. It's very hard to utilize game effectively in night venues because of the loud music. Even in the dance floor the chick will approach your proximity because of your looks .

Social cricle and day game is where "game" is most important.

[Beirut]

(12-14-2016 11:48 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:35 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:12 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 09:48 PM)churros Wrote:  

Say what your like about RSD, but this dude is getting laid, whether it fits your reality or not.

Technically he might. But with who, that is the real question. Anyone can get laid with 4s or 5s and we wouldn't be in this forum if we were content with 4s or 5s would we?

If we could bet in real life about this I would put 1k of my own money into the table saying there is no way this guy is pulling 7s or above consistently unless he is a multi millionare or something.

Quote:

. This thread is verging on puahate.com. Sorry dudes but the gym can't fix everything.

Neither can game. No one is expecting him to look like a greekgod, even if he was 30-40 lbs overweight it'd be ok. But this guy is Eric Cartman and there is no way he is fucking 7s consistently.

I would probably take that bet.

Come on people, have you never been a part of or witnessed a local club scene, for example? Let alone one like Vegas.

Have you never had a sort of fat but funny alpha football player or class jokester in school for example who got girls?

If this guy is connected to a highend social circle, AND is game aware as he certainly is, then hes getting laid by decent quality.

I know many people scoff at bottle service guys, but thats because maybe 80% of them have 0 game awareness so they get used. Its not because theyre ugly or fat, its because they sit back, let girls drink then watch them go home.
For club girls and Vegas visitors, clubbing is a huge deal. Add to that that he may have highend friends that make his lifestyle appealing.

90% of girls who go to these clubs will find that more interesting than hanging out with a pretty boy sipping a beer at the bar.

He uses his friends and connections and lifestyle as value to the girl and thats more appealing than looks (hes not even ugly btw)



I seriously have no idea how so many are dismissing him. There are tons of guys like that. On average they get better quality than the average pretty boy.

Maybe ship him to a random bar for one night in a foreign country and you might have the edge, but in the city where hes established? Na.


This is all coming from a guy who absolutely hates social circle game and has none, but i can recognize effeciveness when i see it.

You will never have a constant steady stream of high quality without it. Im fine with that, but if i wasnt, id be listening to this kind of game.

You made an excellent point on being established in a particular city . There is no doubt social circle will help. But you mentioned high end and what you're referring to is basically baller game. We should leave baller game out of this because I mentioned in my first post that unless he's a multi millionaire.

But we can all agree that nearly all 7s and above have some type of bitch shield. Day game wise I don't see this guy breaking any of those bitch shields. He will get crushed in day game

Night game wise, if this guy goes out solo or even with a wingman to a club I don't see him pulling a 7 or above. Maybe a drunk 6. He can easily pull 4s and 5s though.


But you're right on one thing, social circle game lets you punch waaay above your weight, I've seen some of my average looking friends end up with 8s. But again, I used the word "consistently". Even this guy might get 7s here and there from night game but I don't see a way of him doing it consistently unless he loses 70-80lbs.

The guy is definitely not ugly.

Ok so now we went from this guy doesnt get laid to "this guy gets laid but splashes a lot of money".
I see what you're saying, but his kind of game is usually played by guys with no money. I have a friend like that.

Now i dont know what Luke does, but i will say this: my friend brown noses a lot. A lot. I could never do what he does. But, hes ok with it.

An example is:

Goes to a club regularly, is social with everyone. meets a lot of people that he now sees regularly. Knows a lot of girls (who he doesnt bang at this point)

Gets to know staff, then manager. Hes not getting tables, but hes getting to know everyone. One night meets a guy who has a table there, or who comes rarely but is splashing money or with people who splash money.

Now my friend is social AND he knows a lot of people at the club, so when hes at these guys table, hes fun, introduces them to a lot of people/girls, etc...So now these table guys like him and exchange info.

If they werent regulars, next time for example, they wanna reserve a table and invite him. My friend says oh im friends with the manager ill hook you up. So hes the one who calls the manager and sets it up. Rich guys like that because it saves them the trouble of doing it, manager likes it because now he sees my friend as bringing in new people, everyones happy.

And the cycle continues.

Now he pays a bit sometimes, doesnt pay at all at others, etc...

Now all the girls he was social with before, when hes going out, he can invite them with him, to other guys tables. Those guys are happy theyre getting a bunch of girls, girls are happy theyre living it up.


And so on.

Now every time a girl brings her girlfriend with her and tells her "beiruts friend invited us to this place".

New girl comes and sees a social guy who knows half the club, who is out a lot, who is with successful friends, etc....

Shes not checking bank accounts to see who is who. Its now all a huge circle.

[LikeABaller]

@Beirut

I don't know who your friend is or what he looks like but I believe you and take your word for it. Yeah I've seen plenty of social people like that who are very good with people and get respect at venues. That is indeed a very different level of game. My cousin is like that.The minute he enters the venue he gets greetings from everyone including the bouncers. But my cousin is not fat and average in terms of looks. Maybe your friend is not fat also.

But for me the away aspect of game is very important. Let me give an example from football, there are some teams who are amazing at home games, but when they play without their fans at an away venue they get crushed. I am no expert when it comes to game, I consider myself something between beginner and medium. The guys who you refer to are playing the game in their home venue and the have the backing of their fans.

When it comes to capturing flags, away factor is very important. Now when I was in Thailand and Indonesia/Philippines I was easily pulling in girls and thought I had good game.. But it was pure bullshit they were coming to me because I look caucasian. White god factor. For me this has nothing to do with game. In USA I had way more trouble pulling girls because I didn't have white god factor there and its where looks and game came into play. Same thing in Ukraine, Ukraine wasn't a walk in the park either, much harder than Indonesia/Thailand.

[Irish]

(12-14-2016 11:51 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

@Irish

I've been to Indonesia 2 times. No offense but we should leave nearly all South East Asian countries out of this. It is one of the easiest countries to pull ass. I had girls on wechat initiating conversation with me without doing anything. In SEA its a different level of game, especially if you're a white guy you're basicallly considered 10x richer than the average local. So your skin color automatically makes it baller game. Even my grandfather can pull tail in Indonesia. If your friend gets similar results in South Korea he will have my respect.

Ah I knew the classic 'all SE Asian women are easy if you're white' line was coming a mile off. Don't worry, I hear it every day...

No offence mate, but you don't meet these chicks on WeChat...

I'm talking about the top 2% hottest chicks with their Hermes handbags and louboutin heels drinking champagne on the VIP tables in the top end clubs in the capital city. They don't give a shit if you're white, they've 100s of white dudes after them. The club is full of white guys. Bule with looks, who can spend and prepared to fly them business class to HK, Singapore, Bali or wherever and put them up in a penthouse apartment.

Sure in Jakarta it's easier. But the top end girls are never 'easy' no matter where you are. I've bared witness to many a forum guy crash and burn spectacularly with these girls and retreat back to the hotel and have their tinder 6 come over to lick their wounds.

Regardless easy, hard, whatever. The point I was trying to make was that my pal pulls way hotter chicks than any PUA guy whos flown in from the US, UK or wherever. And the reason for that is down to the social circle angle he plays. Take him somewhere else and I'm certain he would struggle initially. However, give him enough time to work his magic and I'm 100% sure he will eventually be doing the top end girls no matter where in the world he is.

Anyway, I was just using him as one example - I've seen the same in the various cities I've lived in the UK/Ireland as well. The guys I've seen/known who do the best are almost always the hooked up social guys who are well known in the nightlife. It's not just a SE Asia thing.