[Beirut]

It helps him when hes away too. You meet a lot of foreigners and stuff in clubs. Plus the highend club guys that you party with locally travel too.
They have a certain greek party island on lock every summer.

Hes a bit overweight but not really fat. Thats really a non issue when it comes to it, barring extremes.

[LikeABaller]

(12-14-2016 01:04 PM)Irish Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:51 AM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

@Irish

I've been to Indonesia 2 times. No offense but we should leave nearly all South East Asian countries out of this. It is one of the easiest countries to pull ass. I had girls on wechat initiating conversation with me without doing anything. In SEA its a different level of game, especially if you're a white guy you're basicallly considered 10x richer than the average local. So your skin color automatically makes it baller game. Even my grandfather can pull tail in Indonesia. If your friend gets similar results in South Korea he will have my respect.

Ah I knew the classic 'all SE Asian women are easy if you're white' line was coming a mile off. Don't worry, I hear it every day...

No offence mate, but you don't meet these chicks on WeChat...

I'm talking about the top 2% hottest chicks with their Hermes handbags and louboutin heels drinking champagne on the VIP tables in the top end clubs in the capital city. They don't give a shit if you're white, they've 100s of white dudes after them. The club is full of white guys. Bule with looks, who can spend and prepared to fly them business class to HK, Singapore, Bali or wherever and put them up in a penthouse apartment.

Sure in Jakarta it's easier. But the top end girls are never 'easy' no matter where you are. I've bared witness to many a forum guy crash and burn spectacularly with these girls and retreat back to the hotel and have their tinder 6 come over to lick their wounds.

Regardless easy, hard, whatever. The point I was trying to make was that my pal pulls way hotter chicks than any PUA guy whos flown in from the US, UK or wherever. And the reason for that is down to the social circle angle he plays. Take him somewhere else and I'm certain he would struggle initially. However, give him enough time to work his magic and I'm 100% sure he will eventually be doing the top end girls no matter where in the world he is.

Anyway, I was just using him as one example - I've seen the same in the various cities I've lived in the UK/Ireland as well. The guys I've seen/known who do the best are almost always the hooked up social guys who are well known in the nightlife. It's not just a SE Asia thing.

I stand by my analysis and I'm no stranger when it comes to Asia. I lived in Malaysia for 4 years due to my dads MNC job.
I know their culture very well. Obviously it will be much harder to pull top level girls in Asia compared to average one, but it's still 10x easier when you compare it to the west . Those guys who boast about their accomplishments in Asia very rarely repeat the same feat in New York.

Let's see them pulling the same 2% girl from Manhattan by being out of shape. Trust me, its not gonna happen unless the guy is a millionaire.

When you compare countries you have to compare the similar levels.

Western 6 vs Indonesian 6
Western 9 vs Indonesian 9

If we categorize countries by difficulty level from 1 to 5

Indonesia would be 1 High Level:3
Phillippines- 0
Ukraine: 2-3 High level: 4
UK 2-3. High level: 5
USA(NY)-4, and 5 for high level girls.
Australia would be a 5 as well.

[Irish]

(12-14-2016 01:15 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

I stand by my analysis and I'm no stranger when it comes to Asia. I lived in Malaysia for 4 years due to my dads MNC job.
I know their culture very well. Obviously it will be much harder to pull top level girls in Asia compared to average one, but it's still 10x easier when you compare it to the west . Those guys who boast about their accomplishments in Asia very rarely repeat the same feat in New York.

Let's see them pulling the same 2% girl from Manhattan by being out of shape. Trust me, its not gonna happen unless the guy is a millionaire.

When you compare countries you have to compare the similar levels.

Western 6 vs Indonesian 6
Western 9 vs Indonesian 9

I'm sure you're no stranger to Asia, however I strongly suspect you're very much a stranger to 9's. Indonesian or otherwise.

As I've said, I've seen the social circle phenomenon in the UK as well as clubs all over the world. US included. I just used my pal in JKT as one example of many. But funny you should mention Manhattan, he used to live there and from what he's shown me he was banging top end tail there also (granted he was a little thinner back then but he was hardly Sage Northcutt).

[LikeABaller]

I would be outright lying if I said I pulled a 9 before. I never have.
You said it yourself he was thinner in Manhattan
We haven't seen the guy as well, maybe he's not even fat.
I'm not disregarding social circle game here, it does allow you to punch above your weight no doubt about that. But a guy who is 4-5 on looks banging 9's, it is not realistic one bit.
In Asia the competition is also very weak, South East Asian guys are not known for being tall or good looking. In a country where the average male height is 5'4-5'5 obviously it will be easier for a westener to get a higher quality girl.

In my country I am average probably even lower, but in Indonesia no homo I'm better looking than 90% of the guys. These factors are very important too.

So basically as a white guy, you're better looking and much richer than the local at the same time. Of course you will be able to get even high quality girls.

Let me explain it mathematically.

Looks wise average westener in Indonesia = top 10%
Finances wise = top 3-4%
Take the average

You can aim for top 7.5% of the girls look wise.

With game you can get top 2-3%

But when you go back home and are average in terms of looks and finances you obviously cant get the same results.

[Beirut]

LikeAballer, youre getting too hung up on the fat thing.

Lets take an extreme example: An ugly fat celebrity. You think he wont get laid by tons of hot girls? he will.

What does he bring to girls? Validation, attention, fame, lifestyle. etc....


Now scale this down 1000 fold to a club scene. Good looking guy standing at the bar: ok has the looks.

Fat social guy who has the scene on lock: Shes now partying in the top venues, seeing him shake hands with owners/managers, she brings her friends along to an upgraded lifestyle experience.

I never see the hottest girls with the ripped pretty boys.
Now of course the more cards you have in your hand the better.


Youre giving girls too much credit.

[LikeABaller]

I never said you have to be ripped. Never said that. Maybe 2-3% of the population is ripped anyway. But looking like Eric Cartman is not a good thing game wise and also health wise.

[BallsDeep]

That tub of lard from the video is not banging shit...

He seems to be partying exclusively in LA and Vegas, and at any decent club you're not getting a table for under 3k a night. So naturally, a guy who gives chicks unlimited $25 drinks, gets them in without waiting in line for half an hour (3 hours in Vegas), is going to have massive amounts of chicks at his table. And yeah, they'll get drunk and hug and kiss him on video, but nothing beyond some socially-inept 6 is going back to his apartment.

Irish your friend (if it's the one I'm thinking of) is no comparison to this guy. Your friend is chubby yeah, but he's well-groomed, dresses well, and isn't he a DJ? The guy from the video is at least 100 pounds fatter, has that idiot long hair that goes to his shoulders and has his gut pop out of his pants every time he laughs.

And using one-off examples to prove a larger point is rather ineffective, as I could probably find some 400 pound balding vegan fatass who travels the Globe and has incredulous stories of the chicks he bangs, but only a moron would find them believable.

Guys have some sense, if a large portion of their clientele consists of Doritos-gorging behemoths, they're more likely going to identify with a fat sack of shit instructor than they will with some fit 6'3" guy who tells them to go to the gym. It seems quite savvy from RSD's perspective, in that they had a few tall good looking guys, and now recently they added the black guy and the fat fuck in order to cover all their clientele bases.

[LikeABaller]

(12-14-2016 02:46 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

That tub of lard from the video is not banging shit...

He seems to be partying exclusively in LA and Vegas, and at any decent club you're not getting a table for under 3k a night. So naturally, a guy who gives chicks unlimited $25 drinks, gets them in without waiting in line for half an hour (3 hours in Vegas), is going to have massive amounts of chicks at his table. And yeah, they'll get drunk and hug and kiss him on video, but nothing beyond some socially-inept 6 is going back to his apartment.

Irish your friend (if it's the one I'm thinking of) is no comparison to this guy. Your friend is chubby yeah, but he's well-groomed, dresses well, and isn't he a DJ? The guy from the video is at least 100 pounds fatter, has that idiot long hair that goes to his shoulders and has his gut pop out of his pants every time he laughs.

And using one-off examples to prove a larger point is rather ineffective, as I could probably find some 400 pound balding vegan fatass who travels the Globe and has incredulous stories of the chicks he bangs, but only a moron would find them believable.

Guys have some sense, if a large portion of their clientele consists of Doritos-gorging behemoths, they're more likely going to identify with a fat sack of shit instructor than they will with some fit 6'3" guy who tells them to go to the gym. It seems quite savvy from RSD's perspective, in that they had a few tall good looking guys, and now recently they added the black guy and the fat fuck in order to cover all their clientele bases.

[Beirut]

(12-14-2016 02:46 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

That tub of lard from the video is not banging shit...

He seems to be partying exclusively in LA and Vegas, and at any decent club you're not getting a table for under 3k a night. So naturally, a guy who gives chicks unlimited $25 drinks, gets them in without waiting in line for half an hour (3 hours in Vegas), is going to have massive amounts of chicks at his table. And yeah, they'll get drunk and hug and kiss him on video, but nothing beyond some socially-inept 6 is going back to his apartment.

Irish your friend (if it's the one I'm thinking of) is no comparison to this guy. Your friend is chubby yeah, but he's well-groomed, dresses well, and isn't he a DJ? The guy from the video is at least 100 pounds fatter, has that idiot long hair that goes to his shoulders and has his gut pop out of his pants every time he laughs.

And using one-off examples to prove a larger point is rather ineffective, as I could probably find some 400 pound balding vegan fatass who travels the Globe and has incredulous stories of the chicks he bangs, but only a moron would find them believable.

Guys have some sense, if a large portion of their clientele consists of Doritos-gorging behemoths, they're more likely going to identify with a fat sack of shit instructor than they will with some fit 6'3" guy who tells them to go to the gym. It seems quite savvy from RSD's perspective, in that they had a few tall good looking guys, and now recently they added the black guy and the fat fuck in order to cover all their clientele bases.

Come on people youre being haters for no reason.

I glanced over some of his vids.
His hair is good that way imo.
He does dress well in the other videos.

As for picking him because students can relate to him, alright, but even then, are you telling m they picked some random fat actor and told him pretend youre good at this?
Hell, if he can fake his way through it, then those same skills will get him girls on their own
(im well aware that any time money is involved, there will be fake vids/exaggerations etc...but still)


Tables dont have to cost that much but anyway like i said, guys who weasel/work their way into high end club social circles often party on rich guys' dime or get very good deals from promoters and managers once they befriend them.


Anyway, im curious why youre so adamant he wont get laid.

Lets say he partied with a girl last week. She had a good time. She comes over the next with two of her girlfriends, he has his friends, etc...They got a table and the girls are the typical club girls yelling wooo all night. Hes getting shoutouts from the dj that he knows, manager comes says hi, he has cool friends, etc... Girls are impressed.

Now all this group takes it to an afterparty at one of his friends or his place, lots of girls with the other guys come over, everyones hooking up, this guys the life of the party, is social, is escalating.

Girls basically had what they saw as an awesome night out, great vibe all around, etc... AND HES AT THE CENTER OF THAT and hes now a very high value guy in their eyes.

Do you think the girls will care how big his belly or if he is chubby or fat or whatever?
Come on man, i can look back at 100s of times and couples and hookups ive witnessed where that wasnt a factor at all.

You know how some people try to ask a girl questions at the bar to make her feel like shes living an experience? well this guy is in the business of supplying it (or so ive assumed so far).

If i look around me in my scene, 90% of the top top girls are with ugly guys. Ive just done a mental count.
her gfs arent gonna be jealous if her man has a six pack. 14 year old boys post that shit on instagram. They will be jealous if he has a kickass lifestyle.


Anyway i guess we reached a point where some are saying yes and others no but with nothing to back it up except our own experiences. And my reality says that this type of game works and if he does play it well, his body fat percentage wont matter one bit to anyone.

[just a human]

I think-this is some marketing trick, like - "game can work for such guys too ".
I think,they know,that there are a lot of guys like him,who are potential clients of RSD.
Honestly-i never saw guy like him picking up hot girl in club. Never.
When i was wery young- 16-17y.o., in our company there was one guy-we called him a "sponsor". He has rich parents,and he bought a drinks and cigarettes for us. And he was "best friend" of all the sluts in our company. And he never get laid. He loked similar,just younger
Some sponsors get laid,but there is no art in it. Everybody can do that. It's like buying a whore.

[LikeABaller]

It would be so cool if we can install secret go pro cameras on these guys and put a wager on who is getting laid that night : )

[AneroidOcean]

I'm going to preface this post with this text because some of you are having pretty poor reading comprehension:

1. This guy may or may not get laid, I have no proof either way. However, the archetype this guy represents or appears to be (based on other member's mentioning what his MO is and the circles he runs in) can 100% get laid and with attractive girls.

2. The vast majority of guys will claim they know this guy (or someone like him) doesn't get laid with any kind of quality and will never come to terms with the fact that the fat bartender who behaves like a child, the skinny/ugly bar back who smokes weed on the side, and the cut-rate DJ who's talent is being marginally okay at ripping off other mixes will get laid with hotter chicks with less effort than most guys on this forum.

(12-12-2016 01:01 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

Ok the guy is not what we can call good looking but thanks to our fucked up perception of gender economics people here think he is a 2 or 3 looks wise. He is not that ugly.

This guy is a solid 5 on looks scale if you compare him to the average male in US. (Average male in US is overweight)

With a suit maybe he can go home with a drunk 6 on a lucky night.

But there is no way he can pull quality tail consistently unless he makes 1m/year with a penthouse facing the empire state.

This is straight game denialism and has no place on this forum.

(12-14-2016 12:19 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

In Istanbul a table with bottle service at a decent night venue will cost 500$ at least. In NYC its even more. Let's say you go out at least once per week. Thats 2000$ on entertainment alone. If someone spending 2000$/pm on night game isn't baller then I don't know what is.

Not to mention regularly consuming alcohol is very unhealthy, it's very limiting for me if I have to go out at night constantly in order to get hot girls.

You've been on the forum what, 2 weeks, and you're calling out established forum members like Irish when you have admitted you don't get laid with top shelf girls and you don't have any experience to speak of with social circle game (and also admit that you have friends who have got 8s with social circle game and punch way above their weight)? Have you read the forum rules?

(12-14-2016 12:48 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

Ok so now we went from this guy doesnt get laid to "this guy gets laid but splashes a lot of money".
I see what you're saying, but his kind of game is usually played by guys with no money. I have a friend like that.

Now i dont know what Luke does, but i will say this: my friend brown noses a lot. A lot. I could never do what he does. But, hes ok with it.

Your friend is not a brown noser. In your example he is social and introduces himself to a lot of people. He eventually starts providing value to people on both sides of the money/venue equation and they not only start recognizing him, but APPRECIATE him. Those people start to give him value and "suddenly" without spending any money (by providing value) he's catapulted to the "in crowd."

He didn't brown-nose, he used social game/networking to improve his own life, but that improvement only was available because he provided value and improved the lives/bottom line of other people. When you can employ this skill, doors open to you which you previously never thought possible.

(12-14-2016 12:48 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

Shes not checking bank accounts to see who is who. Its now all a huge circle.

Precisely. When a girl is having to qualify herself to you because of the social status you have, she's not even thinking about your bank account or whether you bought that drink (or bottle) that's in your hand. Even if you TOLD her outright that it's not even your table, she wouldn't give two shits, and she would be concentrating on how to be around someone like you, the last thing on her mind is your bank account.

Women are not attracted to men like men are attracted to women. It's not that looks don't matter, but when you're talking social circle game that's one of the areas where your looks can matter the least.

(12-14-2016 02:46 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

That tub of lard from the video is not banging shit...

He seems to be partying exclusively in LA and Vegas, and at any decent club you're not getting a table for under 3k a night. So naturally, a guy who gives chicks unlimited $25 drinks, gets them in without waiting in line for half an hour (3 hours in Vegas), is going to have massive amounts of chicks at his table. And yeah, they'll get drunk and hug and kiss him on video, but nothing beyond some socially-inept 6 is going back to his apartment.

If you think this guy is spending 3k/night or giving away "unlimited" $25 drinks to girls, then you don't understand social circle game much.

Social Game/Networking can get you things you have no option to buy, yet you guys are in here saying that x dude who reportedly employs social circle game in Vegas and who is overweight (not 100 lbs overweight or looking like Eric Cartman like some of you claim) has to be spending thousands of dollars in order to get attractive girls to hug him and maybe kiss him.

I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.

(12-14-2016 05:41 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

Come on people youre being haters for no reason.

<SNIP>

Anyway i guess we reached a point where some are saying yes and others no but with nothing to back it up except our own experiences. And my reality says that this type of game works and if he does play it well, his body fat percentage wont matter one bit to anyone.

Yes, except the body fat percentage will matter to some. The reason this isn't important is that for many it will be a smaller factor than normal and one that is more easily overcome. Further, he can just ignore any girls that it's a factor for as they are in a position where they have to qualify themselves to him. The best position to be in.

[LikeABaller]

Over on the RSD forum they are mentioning about how he got 300 lays with most being 9s and 10s. There are some comments saying its not impressive because the guy is tall and good looking
Haha.
Imagine what their crowd looks like if they don't find his notch count impressive due to the fact he is 5'10 and not morbidly obese.

This is the crowd who signs up for this shit. You can't have some 6'0 fit guy giving out game advise then no one will sign up.

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/591146

This is the topic where they're debating about him.

OVer here he is mocked for being too fat and having man boobs, and over there they think he is too good looking.

It's all about perception.

As I said they want someone they can relate to.



The PUA industry is a scam. The crowd who signs up for it expect a miracle that will happen overnight. Our point is not game denialism its just anti fat acceptance and reality. If this guy fucked 300 girls majority of them being 9s and 10s then I'm an astronaut

[LikeABaller]

Just came by his earlier pics. He is much skinnier.

This guy probably got fat on purpose no kidding, so people would sign up to his workshops.

Look at his pic from 2012



Not bad at all, at least much better.

Since he deals with high roller clients in Las Vegas he must be making good money.

And he looks like this now



The guy went down from a 7 to 4 just because of weight.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I can see the business sense in this.

Putting Blizerian at the front of a "game 101" class is the equivalent of staffing a women's Concealed Carry license academy with a 300 pound dead-eyed gorilla of a navy seal who starts people off with a handcannon.

Fatty here is the equivalent of the pencil necked instructor handing out pop guns to get them started.

But making all sorts of bullshit claims is stupid. Most of these customers would be happy with "I get laid by 8s frequently". Talking shit about 9s and 10s lining up to get on his dick is just nonsense, and it brings the rest of the manosphere down on his ass..

[reciproke]

I used to follow him on Snapchat.

He hangs with Dan Bilzerian, yes.

He was involved in a massive orgy with those typical bilzerian models and nosefucked a girl. Yep. I saw it with my own eyes.

His product Social Circle Blueprint is a joke and borderline con artistry. A lot of waffling without substance. Infield is a joke. You never see him pull.
Sleezy sales tactics. No questions asked refund, though.

While he obviously gets some action from time to time, I ultimately dont trust him. While I see the point they are trying to make, that your looks aren't an excuse, this degree of being delusional is harmful for gullible men. The type of men that describe his product with cultish passion as revolutionary.

The girls could be escorts for all I know. I'm not drinking the hatorade here, but it really makes you think, huh.

[BassPlayaYo]

A lot of the conclusions drawn here are at odds with what we know are day to day realities...

All a trainer needs to know is how to get you to be your best. He doesn't need to be able to squat 220lbs to show you how to squat 600. He doesn't need to be able to beat a fighter in the ring to be able to show you how to beat a fighter in the ring. Sure you can learn game from the "un-perfect" guy, especially if he has information and insights that you do not. He'll be able to see and pick up on things about you that you aren't even aware of, that you never think about. He doesn't have to be a better you to help you be a better you.

[PapayaTapper]

Uhhh...

[Beirut]

Random fact:

Before his instagram fame Dan Bilzerian was throwing random pickup lectures for some poker players. Acquaintance of mine was playing with him and he was telling them how they should show wealth but not actually spend it on girls directlt, then told them hed have some kind of seminar.

He was filthy rich already (well always) but i guess he wanted the attention.

[captain_shane]

Unless this guy is a complete fucking weirdo in real life, I'm quite sure he cleans up a lot of attractive women with his lifestyle alone. The people in this thread saying he needs to be a multi-millionaire in order to bang a few 6-7's have no idea what they're talking about.

Here's a quote about high end nightlife in cities like LV, NY, Miami, etc

Quote:

Back in the day TD wrote a tongue in cheek post called "The Secret Society". In it he alleged that there was a secret sex society made up of women, gay guys and players.

Obviously this is not true, but there is a secret society that most guys who get into this stuff will have to encounter.

It's the secret society of clubs.

What I mean by this, is that there is a society of people who exist within the confines of the club scene as well as a hierarchy and some basic rules you need to know if you're going to spend a lot of time in clubs as a "civilian".

Who makes up this secret society?

The secret society is made up of Promoters,Scenesters,Girl groups,Bottle Rats, Professionals,Ballers, 30k Millionaires,regulars, local celebrities and the help.

In short the scene is made up of what The Asian Playboy once called "The Fickle 500." The fickle 500 idea states that in ANY city ( As of the time of writing this I've lived in Miami, NYC, Scottsdale, LA, Dallas, and Chicago and Las Vegas for at least 3 months of clubbing) there are only about 500 people who go out consistently. This group is the secret society or "the scene".

I've watched quite a few of this dude's videos in the last few days and he consistently refers to the "Fickle 500", a group of around 500 people that are constantly going out and know a lot of people in the scene.

This guy runs a completely different style of game than the regular person. He believes you should be getting at least something out of every interaction you have with girls. He talks about outright friendzoning girls and using them for leverage with guys later on.

His basic strategy in a nutshell.

1. Before going to new city, do a recon first about where the hardest clubs and restaruants in the city to get in.
2. Once arrived in city, go and spam approach virtually every girl.
3. Try and game these girls if you like, but keep the main focus on "people collecting".
4. Ask all these girls the same questions about logistics. "Where's the hardest spot in town to get into? What's the best restaurant? Best night to go for each spot?" And so on. Just focus on logistics at first, the concept being that these girls are only going to request places that they go to or try and go to.
5. Collect their number with something simple and move to the next person.
6. After about 2-3 hours you can amass a list of 20-30 numbers and a pretty good intel on where to go each night.
7. Ask each girl about where the absolute best place in town to get your hair cut is. Assumption being that there will be even more sexy ass girls there that you can continue collection information from. He harps on getting a haircut pretty hard. He empasizes getting one even if it's just a trim.
8. Message promoters from different cities than where he's currently at on instagram. He talks about have a 10-20% success rate by checking out different promoters on IG and asking them if they have any friends in let's say NY. He'll just make stuff up a lot of times and tell the guy that they partied together a couple of months back and had a blast. He then goes into detail about how these promoters will just go with it and pretend they remember you.
9. Hit up promoters that get reffered to you and tell them how so and so in Miami said to hit them up when you got in NYC.
10. Gets club passes to best spots from promoter and hits up the girls from earlier to come out with him.
11. Talk to the workers inside the clubs, etc.


He's basically Frank Abignail. He figured out the "industry" jargon and inside knowledge and leveraged his way into top of the line social circles by befriending people in the "Fickle 500".

This luke guy has put in an immense amount of work to get to where he is. Check this video of him with Nick Kho (co-founder of RSD)

Luke is too focused on pushing his product right now and it's seeping through these videos, which is the most frustrating part of watching him. But he has a lot of good points that he brings up consistantly.

I think he slays. His whole mentality seems to be "It's better to be the person who know's the guy with the yacht, then to be the guy that owns the yacht".

[Maxzilla]

Is that Matt Forney ?

[Skank_Hunt]

What the fuck is this shit. RSD as a business is smart, but as a source of actionable advice to get better results with girls, hell no. Hiring black and fat guys as instructors is smart business. It brings in more cult followers and customers. RSD exists to make money, that is it. Roosh makes money, but there is an element of... sadness to a lot of what he puts out, and empathy for his fellow man going through the same struggles in the same degenerate society he grew up in... RSD basically spammed the entire fucking earth with cold approach machines, making quite significant dents in many formerly good cities around the world with their thoughtless spamming... .But now, again, to cover all bases i.e. the men who sense being an idiot with shit game but with balls/stupidity to spam mindlessly until entire cities are being burnt out... now RSD offers a new "solution" to the problem of cold approach...

"Social Circle Blueprint"... wow! It's sort of like... Tyler's old "Blueprint" (which barely makes any fucking real sense, by the way)... but not for cold approach game... not night club sluts who hang around in Vegas for the richest, most high status men almost exclusively... no, it's to get girls via social circle, where you can get "100% of girls' phone numbers!" Wow! Compare that to your shitty 10 or 20 per cent in cold approach! The problem is if you're an average guy in the USA you are struggling with basic social interaction with women. Not everyone has the connections to get into exclusive social circles, especially when you're a struggling runt just starting out, probably socially awkward, you will get swatted away like a fly. That's why certain social circles are called "exclusive"; there is a barrier to entry. It's like your average guy trying to get into the fucking Kardashian inner circle. Just like their cold approach promises in their sales pitches etc., the social circle shit will be full of the same crap that doesn't actually work in the real world for the average guy, but I guess that keeps them coming back for more.

The promo video for his product illustrates this: assuming that is what his life is actually like through his social circle/status, there is a very limited number of men who can be at the top. It becomes a zero sum game, where one guy has to be "kicked out" for some new guy to enter. This fat RSD instructor knows this; he knows he will just make more bank selling RSD cult followers the impossible dream. If he knew any of this shit worked for most guys, he would have thought his membership of his exclusive social circles would be in jeopardy, and he would not have released the product. I feel pity for what looks like a couple asian guys sitting at the front, who really just want decent looking girlfriends, and have to be brainwashed with this shit. No, there is like a 0.001% chance that they are going to be able to call on 5 playmates or 15 models as a result of consuming this product. It's just fucking delusional. But then Tyler would come along, spout some esoteric spirituality bullshit for about 2 hours and end it by saying that disagreeing with the RSD fat shit constitutes "Limiting Beliefs" and that "Inner Game" work is needed. The whole concept of "Limiting Beliefs" has been distorted to excuse delusions, and to condone shady business tactics of completely unrealistic promises on sales pitches for RSD products. There is a purpose for all that "free" tour information: brainwashing into buying shitty products.

RSD just takes largely mentally fucked up guys, scrambles their brains with free content to make them more mentally fucked up and desperate so that they buy some products or bootcamps, which scramble their brains even more until they are so mentally fucked, they are like robot cult followers that buy whatever shitty products RSD shits out. Great from a business perspective but sad for humanity (I fucking hate seeing RSD spammers in EE). Dudes like Mystery on the other hand didn't have such sneaky business sense as Tyler so last I heard he was not exactly living the high life banging some chick from xojane.

[Nowak]

There's a direct correlation between any service being extremely overpriced and the lack quality you get out of it. Self improvement is a lot of blood, sweat and tears ,but it's often ''close to free or free'' in the monetary sense.

More bloodsuckers selling snake oil, nothing new here.

Only you can ultimately change yourself, coaches ,whether it be RSD or renegade types on the manosphere want your dough and to satiate their own egos more than they want to help you.

[griffinmill]

Back in 2013 when I was getting out of an LTR I found a lot of useful advice from Tyler. I think he's a pretty smart guy with a handle on inter-gender dynamics and has some important redpill wisdom to impart. That said, I almost never watch any of their videos anymore. This Social Circle Blueprint encapsulates how overcomplicated they're making things for guys who basically just want a reasonably attractive girlfriend.

They problem with the business model is there is only so much wisdom about this stuff you can teach people. But you need to go further and further down the rabbit hole and make things overly complicated and dense to keep the students hooked - and to keep bringing in new customers.

I've met a few RSD guys by the way. Creepy, insulting, and very disturbed men. One guy in particular I found through one of their Facebook groups, and was hoping to use as a wingman. I ended up disappearing out the back exit within 15 minutes of meeting him. Truly dysfunctional people.

[Nowak]

(03-01-2017 05:44 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

Back in 2013 when I was getting out of an LTR I found a lot of useful advice from Tyler. I think he's a pretty smart guy with a handle on inter-gender dynamics and has some important redpill wisdom to impart. That said, I almost never watch any of their videos anymore. This Social Circle Blueprint encapsulates how overcomplicated they're making things for guys who basically just want a reasonably attractive girlfriend.

They problem with the business model is there is only so much wisdom about this stuff you can teach people. But you need to go further and further down the rabbit hole and make things overly complicated and dense to keep the students hooked - and to keep bringing in new customers.

I've met a few RSD guys by the way. Creepy, insulting, and very disturbed men. One guy in particular I found through one of their Facebook groups, and was hoping to use as a wingman. I ended up disappearing out the back exit within 15 minutes of meeting him. Truly dysfunctional people.

They combine the worst of MLM with the worst of game. Spamming and hard selling.

So much so that they'd be more believable if they were more aloof and gave a ''fuck off'' vibe with coaching,bootcamps ect.

Never been in any events or consumed any RSD material ,have met a few people who went down that rabbit hole , all the ones who still don't completely hate it give off a weird scummy vibe.