[kirdiesel]

(05-12-2017 04:48 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Zagreb is the best the world has to offer for Brothas who are into prime white possays.

I am not hating but the HYPE is ridiculous.

I don't doubt this this place might be better than most or else you wouldn't have had the success you did but until other brothers can even remotely replicate the success you had here that is a BOLD claim to make.

So far I haven't seen this is the case. 1 or 2 black guys killing it in a city does not make it a pussy paradise.

I am just trying to manage expectations here.

BTW this is even coming from a guy who SNLed a Croatian girl in Germany last night.

[superschalk]

(05-13-2017 12:58 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:48 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Zagreb is the best the world has to offer for Brothas who are into prime white possays.

I am not hating but the HYPE is ridiculous.

I don't doubt this this place might be better than most or else you wouldn't have had the success you did but until other brothers can even remotely replicate the success you had here that is a BOLD claim to make.

So far I haven't seen this is the case. 1 or 2 black guys killing it in a city does not make it a pussy paradise.

I am just trying to manage expectations here.

BTW this is even coming from a guy who SNLed a Croatian girl in Germany last night.

Honestly I have never ever seen that many brothers in one city in EE. I even have not seen that many brothers in Vienna, Munich or Berlin.

By just hanging out on the main square for about an hour I saw two groups of six to eight brothers passing by. I also saw another big group of only brothers getting a table in Johann Franck.

But my personal highlight was when I was sitting outside in front of a bar enjoying a quiet beer a black street vendor passed by and wanted to sell me sunglasses, bracelets and other shit. This never ever happened to me in EE. Since I am South African we started chatting and turns out he is from Senegal and enjoys living here in Croatia and is not thinking about heading further North.

The first night I went out I got the number of a cute girl in Johann Frank. I suggested to meet for a date the next day at Swankys but she refused to meet there. The reason for it she told me later why her friends and herself are avoiding this place is that they always got approached by black guys. We went to a place called Tesla instead which was a really great higher end bar.

Also all the brothers who I saw with girls below the 7s range mostly between 5s and 6s. The only exception was I guy I saw during the day. He was with a legit 8 but he was really good looking and could have hooked up with an 8 everywhere in Europe.

[KrisGLWorldwide]

(05-13-2017 01:30 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 12:58 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:48 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Zagreb is the best the world has to offer for Brothas who are into prime white possays.

I am not hating but the HYPE is ridiculous.

I don't doubt this this place might be better than most or else you wouldn't have had the success you did but until other brothers can even remotely replicate the success you had here that is a BOLD claim to make.

So far I haven't seen this is the case. 1 or 2 black guys killing it in a city does not make it a pussy paradise.

I am just trying to manage expectations here.

BTW this is even coming from a guy who SNLed a Croatian girl in Germany last night.

Honestly I have never ever seen that many brothers in one city in EE. I even have not seen that many brothers in Vienna, Munich or Berlin.

By just hanging out on the main square for about an hour I saw two groups of six to eight brothers passing by. I also saw another big group of only brothers getting a table in Johann Franck.

But my personal highlight was when I was sitting outside in front of a bar enjoying a quiet beer a black street vendor passed by and wanted to sell me sunglasses, bracelets and other shit. This never ever happened to me in EE. Since I am South African we started chatting and turns out he is from Senegal and enjoys living here in Croatia and is not thinking about heading further North.

The first night I went out I got the number of a cute girl in Johann Frank. I suggested to meet for a date the next day at Swankys but she refused to meet there. The reason for it she told me later why her friends and herself are avoiding this place is that they always got approached by black guys. We went to a place called Tesla instead which was a really great higher end bar.

Also all the brothers who I saw with girls below the 7s range mostly between 5s and 6s. The only exception was I guy I saw during the day. He was with a legit 8 but he was really good looking and could have hooked up with an 8 everywhere in Europe.

are you black?
UPDATE: NVM, checked profile. That's all I needed to know. XD XD XD

[Il Bersagliere]

(05-13-2017 08:02 PM)KrisGLWorldwide Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:30 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 12:58 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:48 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Zagreb is the best the world has to offer for Brothas who are into prime white possays.

I am not hating but the HYPE is ridiculous.

I don't doubt this this place might be better than most or else you wouldn't have had the success you did but until other brothers can even remotely replicate the success you had here that is a BOLD claim to make.

So far I haven't seen this is the case. 1 or 2 black guys killing it in a city does not make it a pussy paradise.

I am just trying to manage expectations here.

BTW this is even coming from a guy who SNLed a Croatian girl in Germany last night.

Honestly I have never ever seen that many brothers in one city in EE. I even have not seen that many brothers in Vienna, Munich or Berlin.

By just hanging out on the main square for about an hour I saw two groups of six to eight brothers passing by. I also saw another big group of only brothers getting a table in Johann Franck.

But my personal highlight was when I was sitting outside in front of a bar enjoying a quiet beer a black street vendor passed by and wanted to sell me sunglasses, bracelets and other shit. This never ever happened to me in EE. Since I am South African we started chatting and turns out he is from Senegal and enjoys living here in Croatia and is not thinking about heading further North.

The first night I went out I got the number of a cute girl in Johann Frank. I suggested to meet for a date the next day at Swankys but she refused to meet there. The reason for it she told me later why her friends and herself are avoiding this place is that they always got approached by black guys. We went to a place called Tesla instead which was a really great higher end bar.

Also all the brothers who I saw with girls below the 7s range mostly between 5s and 6s. The only exception was I guy I saw during the day. He was with a legit 8 but he was really good looking and could have hooked up with an 8 everywhere in Europe.

are you black?
UPDATE: NVM, checked profile. That's all I needed to know. XD XD XD

You need to relax dude. Read this. Then read that.

[KrisGLWorldwide]

(05-13-2017 08:45 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:02 PM)KrisGLWorldwide Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 01:30 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 12:58 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:48 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Zagreb is the best the world has to offer for Brothas who are into prime white possays.

I am not hating but the HYPE is ridiculous.

I don't doubt this this place might be better than most or else you wouldn't have had the success you did but until other brothers can even remotely replicate the success you had here that is a BOLD claim to make.

So far I haven't seen this is the case. 1 or 2 black guys killing it in a city does not make it a pussy paradise.

I am just trying to manage expectations here.

BTW this is even coming from a guy who SNLed a Croatian girl in Germany last night.

Honestly I have never ever seen that many brothers in one city in EE. I even have not seen that many brothers in Vienna, Munich or Berlin.

By just hanging out on the main square for about an hour I saw two groups of six to eight brothers passing by. I also saw another big group of only brothers getting a table in Johann Franck.

But my personal highlight was when I was sitting outside in front of a bar enjoying a quiet beer a black street vendor passed by and wanted to sell me sunglasses, bracelets and other shit. This never ever happened to me in EE. Since I am South African we started chatting and turns out he is from Senegal and enjoys living here in Croatia and is not thinking about heading further North.

The first night I went out I got the number of a cute girl in Johann Frank. I suggested to meet for a date the next day at Swankys but she refused to meet there. The reason for it she told me later why her friends and herself are avoiding this place is that they always got approached by black guys. We went to a place called Tesla instead which was a really great higher end bar.

Also all the brothers who I saw with girls below the 7s range mostly between 5s and 6s. The only exception was I guy I saw during the day. He was with a legit 8 but he was really good looking and could have hooked up with an 8 everywhere in Europe.

are you black?
UPDATE: NVM, checked profile. That's all I needed to know. XD XD XD

You need to relax dude. Read this. Then read that.

No thanks on the relax or the threads (cz I don't know if you're trolling or hating), think I'll just look for a barber in EE and keep getting pumped to go.

[NapoleonDynamighty]

(05-13-2017 12:58 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:48 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Zagreb is the best the world has to offer for Brothas who are into prime white possays.

I am not hating but the HYPE is ridiculous.

I don't doubt this this place might be better than most or else you wouldn't have had the success you did but until other brothers can even remotely replicate the success you had here that is a BOLD claim to make.

So far I haven't seen this is the case. 1 or 2 black guys killing it in a city does not make it a pussy paradise.

I am just trying to manage expectations here.

BTW this is even coming from a guy who SNLed a Croatian girl in Germany last night.

Bro why does the HYPE as you put it is such a needle in your eye that you have to post about it to warn others ? Every post made here is anyones personal opinion and is to be bought into at ones own discretion. People can read between the lines and decide for themselves.

Have you been to Zagreb ? Have you tried your best and failed ?

As Roosh says someone who fails to have success in their home city would not just turn into a Don Juan just by buying a air ticket but as per my own experience in that city in that time period I have found it to be sweeeet azz.

The thing that got me about Zagreb was the unanimous feeling and vibe all around that Black men are the prize. As ELjefe another known baller forum brother has confirmed in his experience on this forum that was his experience too .

Reading some of the posts on this thread makes me think senior members who have started personal messaging datas than posting on the forum might be doing the wiser thing and I might take that approach in future.

Rather be positive and get in there with swag and confidence rather than read and sulk is what I say.

[KrisGLWorldwide]

(05-14-2017 10:55 AM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 12:58 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:48 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Zagreb is the best the world has to offer for Brothas who are into prime white possays.

I am not hating but the HYPE is ridiculous.

I don't doubt this this place might be better than most or else you wouldn't have had the success you did but until other brothers can even remotely replicate the success you had here that is a BOLD claim to make.

So far I haven't seen this is the case. 1 or 2 black guys killing it in a city does not make it a pussy paradise.

I am just trying to manage expectations here.

BTW this is even coming from a guy who SNLed a Croatian girl in Germany last night.

Bro why does the HYPE as you put it is such a needle in your eye that you have to post about it to warn others ? Every post made here is anyones personal opinion and is to be bought into at ones own discretion. People can read between the lines and decide for themselves.

Have you been to Zagreb ? Have you tried your best and failed ?

As Roosh says someone who fails to have success in their home city would not just turn into a Don Juan just by buying a air ticket but as per my own experience in that city in that time period I have found it to be sweeeet azz.

The thing that got me about Zagreb was the unanimous feeling and vibe all around that Black men are the prize. As ELjefe another known baller forum brother has confirmed in his experience on this forum that was his experience too .

Reading some of the posts on this thread makes me think senior members who have started personal messaging datas than posting on the forum might be doing the wiser thing and I might take that approach in future.

Rather be positive and get in there with swag and confidence rather than read and sulk is what I say.

Napoleon, I can honestly say that your data threads have given me a new life and hope to get out of my suck ass city and explore. It doesn't matter if I get 16in50 when I go to Zagreb (although I believe I will do very well, because I am hyped and more importantly, preparing like a boss), but the most important thing I got from your threads is a real indication that there is something different out there.

My vote is that you continue to post your data sheets as is, because you have at least one person who has been positively affected by them and is making moves because of it.

[rudebwoy]

@NapoleonDynamite - There will always be naysayers and haters out there, ignore them.

I would never post a data report again, I am happy to give information to people through PM.

Zagreb is a good time, I have been and was well received.

I would suggest anyone planning on going there, to set your expectations low.

I counted 3 black guys in total for the weekend I was there in 2012. Someone said he saw groups of black guys there when he went, so the cat might be out of the bag.

[kirdiesel]

(05-14-2017 10:55 AM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 12:58 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:48 PM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Zagreb is the best the world has to offer for Brothas who are into prime white possays.

I am not hating but the HYPE is ridiculous.

I don't doubt this this place might be better than most or else you wouldn't have had the success you did but until other brothers can even remotely replicate the success you had here that is a BOLD claim to make.

So far I haven't seen this is the case. 1 or 2 black guys killing it in a city does not make it a pussy paradise.

I am just trying to manage expectations here.

BTW this is even coming from a guy who SNLed a Croatian girl in Germany last night.

Bro why does the HYPE as you put it is such a needle in your eye that you have to post about it to warn others ? Every post made here is anyones personal opinion and is to be bought into at ones own discretion. People can read between the lines and decide for themselves.

Have you been to Zagreb ? Have you tried your best and failed ?

As Roosh says someone who fails to have success in their home city would not just turn into a Don Juan just by buying a air ticket but as per my own experience in that city in that time period I have found it to be sweeeet azz.

The thing that got me about Zagreb was the unanimous feeling and vibe all around that Black men are the prize. As ELjefe another known baller forum brother has confirmed in his experience on this forum that was his experience too .

Reading some of the posts on this thread makes me think senior members who have started personal messaging datas than posting on the forum might be doing the wiser thing and I might take that approach in future.

Rather be positive and get in there with swag and confidence rather than read and sulk is what I say.

While I think you did well, I think it sets unreasonable expectations for the average brother going over there to game. Its one of the reasons for a trend here where guys think they can just fly somewhere and show up and get lays.

Looking at the data objectively most of your lays came from Online and not regular/night Game. Which means your online game needs to DIALED IN before arriving in country. What if you aren't the most photogenic person in the world? Thats a major/possible issue.

Honestly, If it was "the best place IN THE WORLD for prime white poosays" I would think the numbers would skew the other way around and not mainly from online.

Your sheet comes across as just be tall, black and confident with good logistics and you'll replicate the results.

I have not been to Zagreb nor gamed there I am just looking at the facts of the sheet for what they are. I am also not hating on your sheet. I think the information is fantastic and invaluable but slightly biased. If Kris and others are motivated to go because of it great but I just wanted to post my opinion of the observations.

What I don't understand is why get so defensive about the sheet? I welcome anyone to question my data/findings in my Germany sheet and prove me wrong.

Should data or opinions no longer be questioned here?

[KrisGLWorldwide]

(05-14-2017 05:18 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Should data or opinions no longer be questioned here?

I think it would be more helpful to go deeper into WHY Napoleon was so successful. Black isn't a monolith, of course, and the devil is in the details.

Myself, I believe Napoleon's introduction into the scene from his ONS was quite helpful. He also targeted prospects online well. Kir may have a point about street game being less successful, but Napoleon never said Zagreb was a street game paradise, just an overall one.

I wonder, Napoleon, if you'd be able to hone in on what happened to you out there in those streets specifically. Were your results better/worse than normal when girls didn't know who you were and you were going off of a face to face meetup, no social circle or Tinder involved?

[readysetgo]

Anyone in Zagreb at this time? Hit me up
Sorry for the bump, kinda sucks rolling solo here at night!

[Kobe]

why was the first post deleted?

[sterling_archer]

Because our mainstream media discovered this forum and this thread and wrote article about it.

[kirdiesel]

Link to article???

[sterling_archer]

One of the mainstream media here.

Use google translate if you want to know what it says.

In short, people here have mixed reactions. Some people hate him, some don't. Those that hate him have blue pill mentality and leave blue pill, no game awareness comments.
Those that don't hate him or in fact enjoyed the read have some kind of red pill mentality or are at least somewhat acknowledge existence of Game. No wonder really.

[Thriver]

So what if some buthurts in Croatia wrote an article about this?

Why had the first post to be deleted?

[kirdiesel]

(09-24-2017 08:00 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

One of the mainstream media here.

Use google translate if you want to know what it says.

In short, people here have mixed reactions. Some people hate him, some don't. Those that hate him have blue pill mentality and leave blue pill, no game awareness comments.
Those that don't hate him or in fact enjoyed the read have some kind of red pill mentality or are at least somewhat acknowledge existence of Game. No wonder really.

Thanks for posting the article,

Jesus some people are such haters.

So what if he went to Zagreb and did some damage. All of those girls hooked up with him at their own will.

[sterling_archer]

Its about the fact that when people are confronted with existence of red pill and game, they will react the way they did in the article comments. Google translate can't translate slang speech spoken in comment so don't bother translating, but basically it says the following:
"they were whores", "he is a rapist", "lies", etc.

This article was also picked up by several medias in Croatia and in all of them combined I saw maybe couple of game aware red pill comments.

But here is interesting thing; while the Croats or people from Balkan in general are not really aware of game, in majority we are not much surprised by this stuff. Only those who are surprised are your typical nice guys and omegas. Some guys here said couple of times that Croats and Serbs are "red pilled". I wouldn't exactly use that term, but I could say that we are not so far away from that.

[Nowak]

(09-24-2017 10:03 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(09-24-2017 08:00 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

One of the mainstream media here.

Use google translate if you want to know what it says.

In short, people here have mixed reactions. Some people hate him, some don't. Those that hate him have blue pill mentality and leave blue pill, no game awareness comments.
Those that don't hate him or in fact enjoyed the read have some kind of red pill mentality or are at least somewhat acknowledge existence of Game. No wonder really.

Thanks for posting the article,

Jesus some people are such haters.

So what if he went to Zagreb and did some damage. All of those girls hooked up with him at their own will.

Guys who have a "I've got mine so the rest can get btfo" mentality are a huge problem. Pay it forward and be polite. Don't be a pleb.


People don't calibrate ,they spam and people are too lazy to make local friends.

There's a gradient between pure zero sum thinking and pure abundance. Eventually these things will happen. It's only natural.

Especially when people make unbelievable claims......

[RoadTo100]

Just finished up 4 weeks in Zagreb with no flag Here’s my report & reflections on that so hopefully you guys can learn from my mistakes.

Went out a total of 4 nights and did 1 daygaming session (much less than usual since I was solo on this trip, but clearly not enough). Venue-wise 3 nights in Opera and 1 visiting a bunch of other bars (Johann Franck / both Alcatraz locations / etc).

Total of 12 in-person IG closes (I have ~1K followers and growing thanks to Vinny’s excellent Instantical service), and 1 WhatsApp close (post-makeout at Opera). The problem was I just couldn’t get ANY girl out on a date... This includes my 13 Tinder matches (exhausted the entire city and ran out of girls to swipe on).

While low numbers (not going out enough) and bad luck were certainly involved, in hindsight 2 key mistakes I made were:

- Prominently displaying that I was only in Zagreb for 1 month on my IG (idea was to use my travel schedule as a DHV while collecting followers w/ the bot). In more conservative Croatia, a 1-month stay is too short to tempt most girls it seems

- Trying for non-low key night time dates at fancy places (Time Bar specifically) rather than something simple like a coffee (one girl even explicitly told me that Time Bar was too much for a 1st date and that she'd prefer coffee)

For the record, I’d place myself as an intermediate at game (51 lifetime notches, with 45 of those in the last 18 months since I got into game). Looks-wise I’m white (ethnically southern/central Europe mix), average American height, and in good shape.

Girls-wise, I agree 100% that the women from Zagreb are beautiful. Among the girls whose contact info I got (12 IG, 1 WhatsApp) I'd rate 3 of them as 8s using the "Pictorial Scale" as described by Tuthmosis here.

Lifestyle-wise, Zagreb is excellent. It's inexpensive and very "comfortable" (walkable, decent public transportation, drinkable tap water, fancy stuff like coconut oil and cacao nibs available, etc). Personally I realized that I prefer a bigger city (Zagreb has approx 800K people), but for others who prefer a smaller capital city it would be perfect.

As a bonus, I also got to have my first in-person meet with some fellow RVF brothers. Shout outs to Austrian, ssvle and harley for an excellent lunch and night out gaming. Looking forward to more meetups in the future!

N.B. Regarding the "Black" factor. On my final night in Zagreb my best friend joined me before we headed on to our next destination. He's culturally American and ethnically Indian (definitely exotic for Zagreb). In his one night out gaming he had 0 blowouts, got major traction with a 8 at our warmup venue (pretty sure she would have agreed to a date if he was staying longer) and ended up fingering an 18-year old javelin thrower at our main venue. She would have came home except her friend cockblocked her (who I tried to game but she wasn't interested in me at all). So I think the OP NapoleanDynamighty was definitely on to something w/ Zagreb being great for darker guys (and from my findings it also applies to ethnically Indian players).

[Beirut]

Roadto100 why so little going out in 4 weeks?

I would say you shouldn't be discouraged with your results since you really didn't go out much at all.

[BangBoy123]

(11-01-2017 08:38 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

Roadto100 why so little going out in 4 weeks?

I would say you shouldn't be discouraged with your results since you really didn't go out much at all.

Quote:

Went out a total of 4 nights and did 1 daygaming session

Yes doesn't make sense, even if you were there for work you should have done more than that

[Road_Less_Taken]

(11-01-2017 11:05 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:38 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

Roadto100 why so little going out in 4 weeks?

I would say you shouldn't be discouraged with your results since you really didn't go out much at all.

Quote:

Went out a total of 4 nights and did 1 daygaming session

Yes doesn't make sense, even if you were there for work you should have done more than that

He is entitled to do as much work as he wants. Some guys are just more low energy. That being said if you don't put in the effort you can't complain about the results.

[RoadTo100]

(11-02-2017 08:48 AM)Road_Less_Taken Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:05 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:38 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

Roadto100 why so little going out in 4 weeks?

I would say you shouldn't be discouraged with your results since you really didn't go out much at all.

Quote:

Went out a total of 4 nights and did 1 daygaming session

Yes doesn't make sense, even if you were there for work you should have done more than that

He is entitled to do as much work as he wants. Some guys are just more low energy. That being said if you don't put in the effort you can't complain about the results.

Yep no complaints here. Mostly I just posted to add another datapoint to the sheet, since it’s been about 6 months since the last one.

When I have friends around, I almost always go out 2 nights per week but solo I find it much tougher. So far I’ve gotten 2 notches (both on dates post # close) from solo night game, but I struggle to actually enjoy myself on those sessions. Solo night game almost feels like a job, whereas going out with friends is always lots of fun... Sure is good at bringing you out of your comfort zone though, so I guess you just need to keep doing it until it feels natural & fun.

[Parzival]

I was in Zagreb for a longer weekend and for me it was not so impressive. There are many reasons. Zagreb is the capital but give not off this vibe. The sightseeing is done in a half day. Also the night life is ok but in other places I pull better.

I used to ways to game, Tinder and the Nightlife. Tinder was bad, I only had a few matches and those matches often did not write back. Some had be open to meet but when I suggested something it went silent. In Moscow it had be a way more easy for me to pull from Tinder.

For the night life. I was mostly in Johann Frank and Opera. When you walk on the street and go out there are many nice girls but that was it for me. It seemed like there is always a barrier. I approach, some even speak German but the click was never there. The girls had be friendly but as soon as I stopped to speak they went silent as well. I did encounter more interest in Moscow there again. Maybe I'm not the type of guy here or other ways to meet them are better. Anyway for me it's not worth a second trip to Zagreb. If you are blue eyed, bald German. Don't go here.
I had some longer talk with a hot girl in Opera but only got her number. She wasn't open to meet again. One hot girl started talking to me if I'm German but then here lesbian friend came and pulled here away. She then told me she can't talk to me any more. Later I tried to get at least her number. I'm quite sure she wasn't a lesbian but she didn't gave it to me.
For my analysis for 4 days here. It seems to take more time and social circle game is better. Because Zagreb is very small and therefore it feels like everyone know each other.

The only positive things I have to say is the food, that I had a ice time with my mate Austrian. Also meet some other guys from the forum. RoadTo100, his mate and the Croatian guy. Forgot the name here. If I ever go back to Croatia then only for the sea side.