Years in Germany - From the perspective of a black guy
11-14-2016, 06:08 PM
I have been on these forums for a couple months now and I wanted to drop some data about my life here as a mid 30s black guy living in Germany. This post might be long so if you are curious... read on!
My background:
I am mid 30s American black guy born and raised in NYC. I consider myself a veteran of the game and been doing nightgame/clubgame since I was about 19 years old. Was pretty damn beta when I first started out but I came a fucking long way to end up banging 8s and 9s at peak performance. Ive mostly dated/been with white European girls and never really had anything significant with a girl outside of that. I have a good amount of notches but I def think under 100. I stopped counting notches as I see its pointless but I think I would have alot more if i dated within/more close to my race. Ok enough about me.
How I got to Germany:
I got into a LTR with a HB8.5 German aupair after meeting at a party. She ended up moving into my place for a couple months before moving back to Germany. We stayed in contact for a few more months before I decided to fly to Europe for the first time and stay with her for 10 days and check it out. We decided then that I would move to Germany for us to be together. She sponsored my VISA for me and in the meantime I went to language schools and learned German. So yes I am fluent in German now as well as English. Fast forward to summer 2012 and we break up (mainly my fault) and she leaves the country and doesnt come back. By this time I have already established myself and got a new apartment and decent income and all is ok.
Where I live in Germany:
I live in Cologne which is the 4th largest city (with a population of a little over a million) in Germany after Berlin, Munich and Hamburg (Which I think are better). There is however a large University presence here with the University of Cologne, Cologne Business School, Hochschule Fresenius. etc etc etc. It is NOT very international at all outside of Erasmus which I think is a MAJOR MAJOR drawback of living here.
My Cologne detailed data report: thread-1964-page-99.html
Standard of living:
Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe so for the ambitious I theres alot of opportunity here. However taxes are high as fuck if you are comparing it to life in the US. I'm from NYC so I am used to paying high taxes but over here is another level. Sales tax of 19% is worked into prices of everything here. The only forgiving things here is that rent is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than in NYC and thats where you end up coming out ahead financially. I am able to get a penthouse apartment in the middle of the city for about 1000€ a month. Give or take 100 or 200 depending on market conditions.
Cars are expensive as well as gas since you pay here by the liter and not by the gallon. Theres also a yearly fee you have to pay (mine cost 250€) a year just to keep the car registered. Like most European cities you dont NEED a car because public transport is pretty damn good (but not cheap either)
Food is fairly cheap as well as clothes.. depending on your fashion sense. Since eBay is part of how I earn my income I generally don't shop in the stores but rather online.
Its fairly easy to get into life here as it somewhat resembles life in the US with Mcdonalds, Burger King, KFC, some shopping malls, ZARA, Tommy Hilfiger, Footlocker, One or two burrito places, Apple store... We dont have EVERYTHING here but you get the drift.
Trips - Trips to other cities in Europe are reasonably priced through Ryanair, Germanwings, Eurowings due to being i
Long term living/Culture:
This is where it gets tricky. In the beginning, I would say the 1st or 2nd year here is ok but after a while living here you start to "run out of gas" and things start to annoy you. German is a VERY hard language to learn and you get tired of speaking or trying to speak in a foreign language all the time. TV is German. Movies in the nice movie theathers are in German. 90% of business has to be done in German. If it involves any kind of government employee you can be pretty sure its Hans or Frieda sitting at the desk and he/she will not make an effort to try and speak English with you because you live in Germany and therefore you should learn German. if you make the mistake of not learning the language you WILL FAIL and end up feeling isolated and living in a bubble and end up going home.
--- Everything is closed on Sundays.. No Supermarket, no shopping, no laundry, no noise-----
The expat/foreign community sucks here since Germany usually has lots of openings and easy VISAS for native english speakers who are Engineers/IT specialists. These kind of guys in generally are betas or nerds and you will have problems meeting and connecting with fellow American men. All the other men here outside of this are usually in LTRs with German girls and are just rare in general.
There is lots of paperwork to be done here as well but ill save that info until someone asks me for it.
The younger people, depending on education level, can speak English reasonably well and of course this level will decrease the older you go (the school system changed). The uneducated people regardless of age will have problems with English.
The food here in the beginning is fine but over the long term starts to bother you. Its a matter of opinion but I think the food in the US is leaps and bounds better than here. If any of you guys have restaurant experience and want to come to Germany and open a REAL American restaurant I think you could make a SERIOUS KILLING. There are so many knockoffs with shitty food here its not even funny.
Culture continued:
Germans are ,with the exception of their Nazi time, proud people. They do things the German way and they will think their way is the best way no matter what you tell them. Even if things are done wrong, better or could be done another way they are pretty inflexible when it comes to this kind of thing. There are programmed behaviors here that people do and have no idea why they do them.. even if it makes little sense. Education is everything here and people will study until the end of time since it is subsidized by the state. It doesnt matter if you need the additional education or not.. The more certificates you have MUST mean that you are more qualified than the next guy.. which is ridiculous.
Ultimately I am mostly likely going to end up leaving the country for England or another country.
There is alot more I could write on the culture but I feel the post is getting long winded and I will elaborate more upon request. Now on to the girls.
German women:
Out of all the notches I have in my life most are German notches. This is because in addition to me living here for 6 years Germans are avid travelers (although you will find some who never really leave) and most of the aupairs in NYC are German.
I guess with the general opinion on the forum that the average German girl is not the best looking in Europe but there is DEFINITELY quality to be had here. You HAVE HAVE HAVE to know where to look. They are most likely found at electro/EDM music festivals, those types of clubs and of course high end nightclubs with bottle service and tight doors.
Hip Hop and reggae parties will yield girls as well but not as high as the types mentioned above. There is a salsa community here as well but I dont mess with that.
This probably goes without saying but German woman will prefer German men over a foreigner. So your exotic factor is not super high and wont easily get you laid.
Tall, white, blonde haired, blue eyed, fancy haircut guys DOMINATE the best girls out here. You will see what looks like "the same guy" with all the nicest girls here. This will also be evident in online dating profiles which girls will specifically mention most often height and secondly eye color as prerequisites. (which annoys me). Alot of girls ask for a height of 1.80m or 5 foot 10 at a minimum. I am 5,10 so luckily I barely made the cut.
ONS are common here and if your game and looks are on point girls will sleep with you fairly quickly. Tinder and Lovoo are the leading online dating platforms and it is possible to get dates and hookup from there alone. One of my German boys only gets laid from there.
The women here are thin and less curvy compared to American women and most girls here are just plain white chicks. Lots of blondes, blue eyes and brunettes.. not many redheads. If curves, a big butt and big tits are your thing then forget it. I love big tits so that kind of annoys me. You get tired of thin girls after a while.
Women are fans of American culture and alot of American things are copied. You will see girls walking around here in Baseball caps and NFL jerseys and have ZERO fucking idea of anyone on the team or anything. Its just a fashion thing. Major copycat culture here in some aspects which can make it easier to game.
- Turkish/German girls - The Turkish girls will mostly date Turkish guys and the occassional German guy but if you are Black you can fucking forget about it. 6 years here and I have slept with 1 Turkish girl and she was an ex aupair from America.
-African women: There is a African community out here and of course African women but honestly im just not really attracted enough to look into getting one. I find African American women better looking.
Life dating as an American black man in Germany:
So now on the meat of this for my fellow brothers who are thinking about getting out the US.
I think dating white for me in NYC was hell.. Its no poosy paradise out here but I would def not describe it as hell. I am a little frustrated as im very ambitious when it comes to the level of women I want but it is bounds ahead of NYC in my opinion and i do reasonably well.
I think it will vary per city but if you don't LOVE white chicks/white people I'm not sure Germany is gonna be the best place for you. There is no black American culture outside of Kaiserslautern where the Armed Forces bases are. So forget about that beef patty or soul food or any of that stuff. You will be lucky to get a really good hip hop party.
Nightclubs - There is a problem here with racism and it doesnt come from the doormen. it comes from the owners inside the clubs. If its not a hip hop or black club odds are you could have a problem to get in. They WILL discriminate against Arabs, Turks, Blacks and anyone who doesnt "look German".
- I get around this problem by not rolling up with other blacks, getting to know doormen, rolling with white germans, and SUITING UP if I know we are going to a strange, new high end place. Maybe im crazy but I do not travel and stay in a unfamiliar city in Germany without a suit with me.
- I have not really seen them do much bad with my own two eyes but Africans don't have the best reputation in the country. I think this partially stems from some coming here from poor countries as refugees and not bettering themselves. Alot of them just work as package delivery drivers or bathroom attendants for some reason.
- Women CANNOT tell the difference between you and an African. So that means catching a girls eyes from across the room and approaching this way will most likely be out of the question. She will only notice you are American when you walk over there and open her yourself... DO NOT WAIT or think "i wonder if shes into brothers" just go over there and open and youll find out for yourself. Never assume she is or isnt into black guys.
A. there have been girls I could have sworn on my life were into black men and they were not and vice versa. Just go and try and figure it out for yourself.
- As an American black guy you will be able to crack into places other Africans cannot. Germans respect America and Americans and once they hear you speak English and they will sometimes apologize for their English and pander to you. This also translates into girls and girls will consider sleeping with you when they have never tried a black guy before.
I would say I generally outperform the African guys on quality. They have success with German women as well but usually of the 5 or 6 level.
- Young women, well traveled, old aupairs and hip hop lovers.
Young girls (college girls 19 to 22/23) are hot spots for black men. They are much more willing to give you a run. This is where you will get the best quality 8s and 9s. Their English is usually the best and some of them even study in English. They generally arent the most well traveled but are curious and just want to have a good time and enjoy life. My last HB8 was 19.. first year college student and a ONS.
Old Aupairs are girls who have probably stayed in the states for 1 or 2 years and are now back in "Boring Germany" Their eyes will light up when you tell them you are from the states and from there its game on.
Well traveled - The more the girl has traveled the less tied she is to German men.
Hip Hop Lovers - Not ALWAYS but if the girl listens to alot of hip hop or is found in a black club odds are she is into black guys. However, just like the states. These girls tend of fall to the lower class side of things. Not all but youll have to watch it. I prefer the girls in normal or high end places. They usually have high intelligence and are degree seekers and not just working as a cashier at a corner store or some dumb shit.
The older 24+ girls can be done but I find it gets harder the older they get. Not that the girls are harder to game but the resistance goes up and quality goes down. My oldest notch in the country was 39 but there is a correlation to age and how open they are to date us. I feel like the older prettier girls gravitate more toward traditional German guys as they start to look for a stable relationship.
I could do a write up on how to game German girls in nightclubs here but I think ill stop this post for now.
I hope this has been helpful for you guys and I look forward to answering any questions about Germany that you might have.
Thankful to have this forum.
My background:
I am mid 30s American black guy born and raised in NYC. I consider myself a veteran of the game and been doing nightgame/clubgame since I was about 19 years old. Was pretty damn beta when I first started out but I came a fucking long way to end up banging 8s and 9s at peak performance. Ive mostly dated/been with white European girls and never really had anything significant with a girl outside of that. I have a good amount of notches but I def think under 100. I stopped counting notches as I see its pointless but I think I would have alot more if i dated within/more close to my race. Ok enough about me.
How I got to Germany:
I got into a LTR with a HB8.5 German aupair after meeting at a party. She ended up moving into my place for a couple months before moving back to Germany. We stayed in contact for a few more months before I decided to fly to Europe for the first time and stay with her for 10 days and check it out. We decided then that I would move to Germany for us to be together. She sponsored my VISA for me and in the meantime I went to language schools and learned German. So yes I am fluent in German now as well as English. Fast forward to summer 2012 and we break up (mainly my fault) and she leaves the country and doesnt come back. By this time I have already established myself and got a new apartment and decent income and all is ok.
Where I live in Germany:
I live in Cologne which is the 4th largest city (with a population of a little over a million) in Germany after Berlin, Munich and Hamburg (Which I think are better). There is however a large University presence here with the University of Cologne, Cologne Business School, Hochschule Fresenius. etc etc etc. It is NOT very international at all outside of Erasmus which I think is a MAJOR MAJOR drawback of living here.
My Cologne detailed data report: thread-1964-page-99.html
Standard of living:
Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe so for the ambitious I theres alot of opportunity here. However taxes are high as fuck if you are comparing it to life in the US. I'm from NYC so I am used to paying high taxes but over here is another level. Sales tax of 19% is worked into prices of everything here. The only forgiving things here is that rent is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than in NYC and thats where you end up coming out ahead financially. I am able to get a penthouse apartment in the middle of the city for about 1000€ a month. Give or take 100 or 200 depending on market conditions.
Cars are expensive as well as gas since you pay here by the liter and not by the gallon. Theres also a yearly fee you have to pay (mine cost 250€) a year just to keep the car registered. Like most European cities you dont NEED a car because public transport is pretty damn good (but not cheap either)
Food is fairly cheap as well as clothes.. depending on your fashion sense. Since eBay is part of how I earn my income I generally don't shop in the stores but rather online.
Its fairly easy to get into life here as it somewhat resembles life in the US with Mcdonalds, Burger King, KFC, some shopping malls, ZARA, Tommy Hilfiger, Footlocker, One or two burrito places, Apple store... We dont have EVERYTHING here but you get the drift.
Trips - Trips to other cities in Europe are reasonably priced through Ryanair, Germanwings, Eurowings due to being i
Long term living/Culture:
This is where it gets tricky. In the beginning, I would say the 1st or 2nd year here is ok but after a while living here you start to "run out of gas" and things start to annoy you. German is a VERY hard language to learn and you get tired of speaking or trying to speak in a foreign language all the time. TV is German. Movies in the nice movie theathers are in German. 90% of business has to be done in German. If it involves any kind of government employee you can be pretty sure its Hans or Frieda sitting at the desk and he/she will not make an effort to try and speak English with you because you live in Germany and therefore you should learn German. if you make the mistake of not learning the language you WILL FAIL and end up feeling isolated and living in a bubble and end up going home.
--- Everything is closed on Sundays.. No Supermarket, no shopping, no laundry, no noise-----
The expat/foreign community sucks here since Germany usually has lots of openings and easy VISAS for native english speakers who are Engineers/IT specialists. These kind of guys in generally are betas or nerds and you will have problems meeting and connecting with fellow American men. All the other men here outside of this are usually in LTRs with German girls and are just rare in general.
There is lots of paperwork to be done here as well but ill save that info until someone asks me for it.
The younger people, depending on education level, can speak English reasonably well and of course this level will decrease the older you go (the school system changed). The uneducated people regardless of age will have problems with English.
The food here in the beginning is fine but over the long term starts to bother you. Its a matter of opinion but I think the food in the US is leaps and bounds better than here. If any of you guys have restaurant experience and want to come to Germany and open a REAL American restaurant I think you could make a SERIOUS KILLING. There are so many knockoffs with shitty food here its not even funny.
Culture continued:
Germans are ,with the exception of their Nazi time, proud people. They do things the German way and they will think their way is the best way no matter what you tell them. Even if things are done wrong, better or could be done another way they are pretty inflexible when it comes to this kind of thing. There are programmed behaviors here that people do and have no idea why they do them.. even if it makes little sense. Education is everything here and people will study until the end of time since it is subsidized by the state. It doesnt matter if you need the additional education or not.. The more certificates you have MUST mean that you are more qualified than the next guy.. which is ridiculous.
Ultimately I am mostly likely going to end up leaving the country for England or another country.
There is alot more I could write on the culture but I feel the post is getting long winded and I will elaborate more upon request. Now on to the girls.
German women:
Out of all the notches I have in my life most are German notches. This is because in addition to me living here for 6 years Germans are avid travelers (although you will find some who never really leave) and most of the aupairs in NYC are German.
I guess with the general opinion on the forum that the average German girl is not the best looking in Europe but there is DEFINITELY quality to be had here. You HAVE HAVE HAVE to know where to look. They are most likely found at electro/EDM music festivals, those types of clubs and of course high end nightclubs with bottle service and tight doors.
Hip Hop and reggae parties will yield girls as well but not as high as the types mentioned above. There is a salsa community here as well but I dont mess with that.
This probably goes without saying but German woman will prefer German men over a foreigner. So your exotic factor is not super high and wont easily get you laid.
Tall, white, blonde haired, blue eyed, fancy haircut guys DOMINATE the best girls out here. You will see what looks like "the same guy" with all the nicest girls here. This will also be evident in online dating profiles which girls will specifically mention most often height and secondly eye color as prerequisites. (which annoys me). Alot of girls ask for a height of 1.80m or 5 foot 10 at a minimum. I am 5,10 so luckily I barely made the cut.
ONS are common here and if your game and looks are on point girls will sleep with you fairly quickly. Tinder and Lovoo are the leading online dating platforms and it is possible to get dates and hookup from there alone. One of my German boys only gets laid from there.
The women here are thin and less curvy compared to American women and most girls here are just plain white chicks. Lots of blondes, blue eyes and brunettes.. not many redheads. If curves, a big butt and big tits are your thing then forget it. I love big tits so that kind of annoys me. You get tired of thin girls after a while.
Women are fans of American culture and alot of American things are copied. You will see girls walking around here in Baseball caps and NFL jerseys and have ZERO fucking idea of anyone on the team or anything. Its just a fashion thing. Major copycat culture here in some aspects which can make it easier to game.
- Turkish/German girls - The Turkish girls will mostly date Turkish guys and the occassional German guy but if you are Black you can fucking forget about it. 6 years here and I have slept with 1 Turkish girl and she was an ex aupair from America.
-African women: There is a African community out here and of course African women but honestly im just not really attracted enough to look into getting one. I find African American women better looking.
Life dating as an American black man in Germany:
So now on the meat of this for my fellow brothers who are thinking about getting out the US.
I think dating white for me in NYC was hell.. Its no poosy paradise out here but I would def not describe it as hell. I am a little frustrated as im very ambitious when it comes to the level of women I want but it is bounds ahead of NYC in my opinion and i do reasonably well.
I think it will vary per city but if you don't LOVE white chicks/white people I'm not sure Germany is gonna be the best place for you. There is no black American culture outside of Kaiserslautern where the Armed Forces bases are. So forget about that beef patty or soul food or any of that stuff. You will be lucky to get a really good hip hop party.
Nightclubs - There is a problem here with racism and it doesnt come from the doormen. it comes from the owners inside the clubs. If its not a hip hop or black club odds are you could have a problem to get in. They WILL discriminate against Arabs, Turks, Blacks and anyone who doesnt "look German".
- I get around this problem by not rolling up with other blacks, getting to know doormen, rolling with white germans, and SUITING UP if I know we are going to a strange, new high end place. Maybe im crazy but I do not travel and stay in a unfamiliar city in Germany without a suit with me.
- I have not really seen them do much bad with my own two eyes but Africans don't have the best reputation in the country. I think this partially stems from some coming here from poor countries as refugees and not bettering themselves. Alot of them just work as package delivery drivers or bathroom attendants for some reason.
- Women CANNOT tell the difference between you and an African. So that means catching a girls eyes from across the room and approaching this way will most likely be out of the question. She will only notice you are American when you walk over there and open her yourself... DO NOT WAIT or think "i wonder if shes into brothers" just go over there and open and youll find out for yourself. Never assume she is or isnt into black guys.
A. there have been girls I could have sworn on my life were into black men and they were not and vice versa. Just go and try and figure it out for yourself.
- As an American black guy you will be able to crack into places other Africans cannot. Germans respect America and Americans and once they hear you speak English and they will sometimes apologize for their English and pander to you. This also translates into girls and girls will consider sleeping with you when they have never tried a black guy before.
I would say I generally outperform the African guys on quality. They have success with German women as well but usually of the 5 or 6 level.
- Young women, well traveled, old aupairs and hip hop lovers.
Young girls (college girls 19 to 22/23) are hot spots for black men. They are much more willing to give you a run. This is where you will get the best quality 8s and 9s. Their English is usually the best and some of them even study in English. They generally arent the most well traveled but are curious and just want to have a good time and enjoy life. My last HB8 was 19.. first year college student and a ONS.
Old Aupairs are girls who have probably stayed in the states for 1 or 2 years and are now back in "Boring Germany" Their eyes will light up when you tell them you are from the states and from there its game on.
Well traveled - The more the girl has traveled the less tied she is to German men.
Hip Hop Lovers - Not ALWAYS but if the girl listens to alot of hip hop or is found in a black club odds are she is into black guys. However, just like the states. These girls tend of fall to the lower class side of things. Not all but youll have to watch it. I prefer the girls in normal or high end places. They usually have high intelligence and are degree seekers and not just working as a cashier at a corner store or some dumb shit.
The older 24+ girls can be done but I find it gets harder the older they get. Not that the girls are harder to game but the resistance goes up and quality goes down. My oldest notch in the country was 39 but there is a correlation to age and how open they are to date us. I feel like the older prettier girls gravitate more toward traditional German guys as they start to look for a stable relationship.
I could do a write up on how to game German girls in nightclubs here but I think ill stop this post for now.
I hope this has been helpful for you guys and I look forward to answering any questions about Germany that you might have.
Thankful to have this forum.
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