[Deluge]

(02-04-2017 01:57 PM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  

That said, belgium girls can be nice in Brussels and are easygoing, they like to drink and have fun. Some are a bir snobby but overall I find them pleasant. In Brussels I only banged a girl from Luxembourg though but they are more or less similar to Belgian girls.

Belgian girls and girls in the north of France can be tall so don't expect a lot of petite girls.

That's another point worth mentioning. Dutch girls are way blonder and taller than Flemish girls. They are also in good shape because they've all been cycling every day since they were children. They do not have the petite frames like girls in France or EE have though. Germanics and Nordics rarely do.

[Rossi]

(02-04-2017 06:16 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

That's another point worth mentioning. Dutch girls are way blonder and taller than Flemish girls. They are also in good shape because they've all been cycling every day since they were children. They do not have the petite frames like girls in France or EE have though. Germanics and Nordics rarely do.

Where are these blonde and taller Dutch girls? I went to Amsterdam, thinking I could see some and all I saw was Arabs and Turkish people. I think Dutch people are minority in their own country nowadays.

Such a big disappointment for me.

[Deluge]

(02-04-2017 07:27 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

(02-04-2017 06:16 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

That's another point worth mentioning. Dutch girls are way blonder and taller than Flemish girls. They are also in good shape because they've all been cycling every day since they were children. They do not have the petite frames like girls in France or EE have though. Germanics and Nordics rarely do.

Where are these blonde and taller Dutch girls? I went to Amsterdam, thinking I could see some and all I saw was Arabs and Turkish people. I think Dutch people are minority in their own country nowadays.

Such a big disappointment for me.

Nahh, Amsterdam is overrun with tourists year round. Just because you visited Amsterdam you cannot say you have visited the Netherlands, it is simply not Dutch. The working language of the city is actually English and it is ruined by the hordes of tourists crammed into a very small centre. Many of whom treat the place like shit. I can tell a Dutch person (regardless of race) by looking at them and the majority of people you will see when visiting Amsterdam are not Dutch nationals. If you lived there though it is a different story. Then you will know the places Dutch people actually live and go out in.

In terms of permanent population though Amsterdam is actually more white than Rotterdam and The Hague. It has a bit more Dutch people and a lot more European expats because of it's knowledge economy jobs. Keep in mind Dutch cities are very small even though the country is very dense and very urbanized. Amsterdam is only about 700k in a country of 17 million. Once you step outside of the top 3 things change democratically and the country is actually pretty white.

It just doesn't feel like that because visitors spend all their time in the centre of Amsterdam. Also worth noting that so many of the non-white young people you will see are actually half Dutch. If I had to guess I would say NL leads Europe in interracial dating.

[kirdiesel]

The options are Antwerp, Brussels, Tilberg or Breda.... I need to be in this area once a month so I am not traveling here JUST to get girls. I gotta be there for work and I might as well game while I'm there.

You guys are spot on so far about the average girls not being too pretty but I figure its similar to where I am in Germany where if you dont know EXACTLY where and when to go you will have a problem finding quality.

For example once a month here all the best girls in a 30 mile radius go to ONE PARTY and if you aren't a local, odds here you won't know about it and miss it all. I think Antwerp seems similar.

It requires an in depth knowledge of where to be when and then the quality problem goes away.

I am gonna give Antwerp another run at the end of March and see what happens... My gut is telling me Breda/Tilburg is where im gonna have the best luck but lets see.

[Deluge]

^As you know Breda and Tilburg are in the south of the Netherlands very close to the border. I will say before you go that because of this you might not find the girls there that different to Flemish girls looks wise. Though Tilburg is a student town so it will have more girls from all over. I wish I could help you more but I've never been to either of this cities myself. I can say that girls from south of the Meuse River aren't as tall or as blonde as girls from the north. But of course this is still by Dutch standards, and the former is probably a good thing. Girls from outside the Randstad conurbation in the west of the country are also more down to Earth and easier to impress. I've seen being African American be a serious exotic boost in a Dutch city much bigger and more diverse than either so you can count on that also.

[kirdiesel]

So now that I have been to Antwerp twice I got some small results.

My Tinder is surprisingly working well. I pipelined about 4 days out from when I was supposed to be be there and was able to pull off a date the same week. blonde 5,11, 7+ girl but wasnt able to close the same night. I also got many other matches and got into good conversations with 2 of them. So so far I have a good impression of the city.

Since I am there once a month I MIGHT take another crack at the blonde or meet up with another girl from the Tinder pipeline had before.

Friday nights fucking SUCK in the city in seems. Ive been there two Fridays now and can't find a decent venue to game girls in with the exception of "the Villa". I think i need to rearrange my schedule to go there on a Saturday instead of a Friday. I heard LaRocca is the best for hip hop music in the area. Still need to investigate.

I will be back in Antwerp again end of the month (or before that) and will be pipelining and setting up dates again about 4 days out and see what results I can get. Will continue to update as results come in.

I am getting reasonably decent looking girls to match and answer me on Tinder.

[Assipier]

(04-09-2017 03:57 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Friday nights fucking SUCK in the city in seems. Ive been there two Fridays now and can't find a decent venue to game girls in with the exception of "the Villa". I think i need to rearrange my schedule to go there on a Saturday instead of a Friday. I heard LaRocca is the best for hip hop music in the area. Still need to investigate.

If you go on a Saturday night to LaRocca, you won't hear any hiphop. Friday nights are hiphop and r&b. Saturday is mostly 'deep house' and other non commercial music. Sunday nights are more 'underground-ish' house.

[kirdiesel]

(04-10-2017 10:43 AM)Assipier Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 03:57 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Friday nights fucking SUCK in the city in seems. Ive been there two Fridays now and can't find a decent venue to game girls in with the exception of "the Villa". I think i need to rearrange my schedule to go there on a Saturday instead of a Friday. I heard LaRocca is the best for hip hop music in the area. Still need to investigate.

If you go on a Saturday night to LaRocca, you won't hear any hiphop. Friday nights are hiphop and r&b. Saturday is mostly 'deep house' and other non commercial music. Sunday nights are more 'underground-ish' house.

Thanks for the tip! Its taking me some time to get a hold of this city. Slowly but surely I am getting it.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I was in Antwerp last week. I met two Bulgarian woman, only one of which spoke English. I told them I was headed to The Muze to listen to jazz, and invited them to join me, which they did. There was a tall tranny at the table next to us who kept talking to the people around him and being weird (as you'd expect from a tranny). He tried to talk to me and asked if I voted for Trump, and I said absolutely. He tried to talk to me one other time, but I just gave short answers and he dropped it quickly each time. Some other guy came up and was trying to AMOG on the Bulgarian girl, but he left after a minute. He looked Turkish, but I'm not sure.

A half hour later, the AMOG guy started yelling at the tranny and they got into a serious fist fight, knocking chairs and tables flying. A couple of friends on each side joined in for a general brawl. The two girls and I left and went to another café a block or two away, next to the giant cathedral. The area seemed decent, and the jazz bar did not seem like the kind of place you'd expect fighting on a Monday night. I think this was just a weird fluke. I'd eaten a small amount of magic truffles I got from a smart shop in the Netherlands, so it just figures weird things would happen.

The Bulgarian girl made a point to tell me she's divorced and single, but I decided not to pursue it. Frankly, I was paranoid about her trying to scam me or something, but in hindsight I should have gone for it. I plan to go again when I'm back in the area for work. I liked the mix of the big city feeling and the historic centrum area, and I thought there were a decent number of fuckable women there.

[kirdiesel]

I also like the city and will be there again this weekend. I am there a weekend a month for work.

I'm pipelining as we speak. I also found the quality of women there not too bad but on Tinder its another story.

[kirdiesel]

Antwerp is getting on my nerves now. This is the 3rd or 4th weekend ive been there (in the area for work) and have some small amounts of data. Not really datasheet worthy just yet.

Tinder:

I am pretty satisfied with my Tinder results (although could be better and I could take better pictures). The girls are meeting up pretty easily and I have only been there a few times and every time I have been able to meet up with a girl (either alone on a date or they've invited me out with them and their friends)

I do have a few gripes with the city and I will list them here: (I run clubgame/nightgame)

1. Logistics are so bad. The clubs are spread out throughout the city and if you want to change from one club to another you need to drive. Its not all concentrated in one place and forget that taxi shit. You'll spend a fortune. Luckily I always have a car with me so I can dip in and out but its annoying.

2. Ratios are bad. I have not been to one nightclub in the city where ratios are even great. Its always a sausage fest with 2-3 guys for every girl. Granted i still have more places to go but I have been now to more than a few. The only exception to this is "The Villa".. I will speak more about this in a few.

Beautiful city, architecture and great atmosphere but again nightlife just seems to be lacking.

Venues visited so far:

Naked Klub Antwerp - Tiny ass club that plays shitty hip hop but no entry to get in. Not worth your time unless you are right around the corner and want to grab a drink super quick. I heard it might be closed now. No idea

Sky Club - Went inside once and was super empty.. Drove by again this Saturday night with super nice warm weather.. looked empty as fuck outside so didn't bother to go in.

Ikon - Sky Club and Ikon are next to each other but again both looked empty so didnt go in. Supposedly these two are some of the best clubs in Antwerp to meet girls in but ive been to this location twice. 1st time IKON was full but there was a 16 and over party and Sky Club has been empty both times ive passed by.

La Gare - Hip hop club. Ive been here twice. Decent location but dismal ratios (a common problem in Antwerp it seems). First time I number closed a Belgian girl who is still interested in meeting up and going out but our schedules just never seem to line up. Quality is ok.. some hotties but again more guys than girls. Two people I talked to here told me it used to be better 2 years ago. It seems like this place is on its way out or something. For hip hop you are better off going to Bloody Louis 45 minutes away in Brussels.

Bocadero - Summer Beach Bar by the river - Best daytime location I have seen in Antwerp so far. Upscale with house music playing and people showing off their bodies, fashion, cars and shit like that. Attractive girls. You can eat here as well as drink. It doesn't seem too easy to meet girls here as everyone is inside their social circles but there are some hot girls in groups here and I think if you rolled with a good looking attractive wingman you could pull up and grab some numbers.

The Villa - It seems Bocadero and Villa attracts a similar kind of clientele. I have only been inside once but IMO the hottest girls in Antwerp go out here. Doesn't appear to be students as its high end clubbing in Antwerp and we all know what kinds of girls these types of places attract. But again the girls are the best ive seen in the city. Only nightclub ive seen with a reasonable ratio. I wanted to go again on Saturday night but I was alone and this place is knowns for racism, tight door etc etc etc.. The bouncer played the you have to be on the guestlist shit with me. Lying fucks. Quality even walking inside looked great.

Roxy - I didn't go inside but passed by. I think there is potential here and I will try again if I am in the area. I looked at some Instagram snaps of the night in there and I think I failed and should have went in. It looked empty outside so I didnt bother to try. shit.

Publik - Looked empty outside so I didn't bother to go in. Its on my list to try for next time.

Carre - Went here on a Friday night but it seemed like student night. REALLY young girls.. im talking like 19 or 20 and major sausage fest. I think worse ratio ive seen in Antwerp anywhere. I heard this place is supposed to be awesome but I guess thats Saturday night. Will try again on a Saturday and see how it goes.

There are alot more venues I still have to try but the biggest issues in Antwerp are LOGISTICS and RATIO. Decent looking girls can be found but SAUSAGE FEST CITY. I'm losing love for the city quickly.


I might go back or might not. I have my choice of cities in the area (Breda, Tilburg, Eindhoven, Rotterdam, Brussels, Antwerp) and I am losing interest quickly and thinking of staying in the Netherlands instead... Such a shame.

Time will tell.

[Marcus187]

Brussels and Antwerp are contaminated with North Africans and other Muslim scum. You can feel the negative vibe when these 'people' are around.

From my opinion the girls look similar to Dutch girls, but I've noticed they're kinda cautious. Maybe because they have to deal with these North Africans on a daily basis. I thought Sweden was bad, but Belgium is really becoming a Muslim shithole with all kinds of third world problems. The infrastructure and state of the buildings are very bad.

[kirdiesel]

Thanks Marcus... that information was pivotal in helping finding a good location with exceptional ratios and meeting high quality Belgian girls.

[goncalo999]

I am spending one night in Brussels before Tomorrowland.. Which club/bar should I hit?

[kirdiesel]

I have only hit 1 club in Brussels so I can't help you there.

It was a club called "Bloody Louis" which is a hip hop club with alot of black guys and the like.

Not talking crap about it I actually met a super hot 19 year old Dutch girl there so I can't complain.

[BlackJoker]

Well i moved to Gent in Belgium at the beggining of this year and I think overall girls are not that pretty. I travelled a lot already but besides my hometown of Lisboa the only other place I have lived and is can be compared is Ljubljana, Slovenia and let me tell that there is no fucking comparison possible between slovenian girls and belgian ones..

I have read some past comments and I m not so sure if I agree that they are conservative. Most of my bangs so far have come from Tinder but mostly because I cant seem to find a decent club to go to (and been her for six months already WTF) . in any other city i ve been to is quite easy to at least figure out where the mainstream club is... there are a lot of options: different bars with a lot of different types of music ( although I think most of the people tend to go to RnB places). The overpoort though , that someone mentioned before, i wouldnt recommend it , I am 25 ( so still inside student years) and I can definetily say that younger girls (18-22) will have a shittier attitude when compared to slightly older ones.

Also important to mention that I believe them to be a bit racist . let me explain: i am portuguese and while I do not look turkish or arab for a portuguese, I will logically be more similar to them than to belgian dudes. And I think here there s still some discrimination towards those kinds of people and I definetily feel that sometimes when I am approaching a girl only when i start speaking english ( middle eastern cultures will already speak dutch) is when they let their defences lower a bit...

Either way if anyone has suggestions for Gent or wants to show me the cool places to pick up chicks here Im definetily up for it!!

PS: the Gentse Festeen is happening now (july) and for ten days is just shit tons of people in the city center, more hotties than usual

[Llama Deam]

Belgium girls are probably the worst looking in Europe with bad attitudes to boot. Only the U.K. has worse girls.

[AlexWW]

"Belgium girls are probably the worst looking in Europe with bad attitudes to boot. Only the U.K. has worse girls."

I agree. I work in Brussels since October for 12 months and it's a shithole. The only one who are really réceptives / not snobbish, ready to date are the black Belgium, they are not bad at all, with beautiful curve and feminines, but it's not really what I'm looking for.

The thing I noticed is that I have the feeling that Brussels girls (other than the black ones) need to be drunk to be relaxed, to date and play the game of seduction well at the same time. I find that ridiculous to have to rely on that. They so are also easier to get at 1am. Contrary to Utrecht or Amsterdam suburbs where you can seduce easily at 11pm, welcoming girls, without having to wait them to be drunk.

And yes that's true Belgium think their country is the best without having visiting others, they are really upset when you say the truth about how dirty their city is. They don't accept critics.

I put my Tinder, okcupid, Badoo, and others in a lots of cities in the world but in Brussels women are way less réceptives.

[Establishment]

In Brussels right now. This seems like a good city for game. Lots of people living here temporarily. Talent is not the best though.

[MarkNordic]

Just got back from Brussels. Tinder quality was amazing (women 18-25) but my matches were sub-par. The Old Town around the Town Hall Square seemed like a good place to game.

What was surprising to me was the absence of girls with lighter features - almost every girl and couple I saw was of African or Arabic origin.

Spent a couple days at conferences in the European Parliament - lots of young, pretentious poosay. Chatted up a few chicks, they were very receptive. Felt like being in the building already upped your SMV.

[kirdiesel]

Spent last weekend in Antwerp. A girl I had picked up sometime last year at a club there asked me to meet up with her and her friends for some drinks at Bocadero. Upon getting there she flirts like hell with me but proceeds to introduce her nerdy boyfriend. You could tell she was pissed he was there and I was like WTF but played it cool and tried to talk to other girls but the place was so damn crowded it was super hard to game.

Anyways Bocadero has some of the best girls Antwerp has to offer.

Seems to me its "The Villa" and "Bocadero" are the only place to find decent looking women there. Everywhere else has been a let down.

[Gent001]

(02-02-2018 07:45 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Spent last weekend in Antwerp. A girl I had picked up sometime last year at a club there asked me to meet up with her and her friends for some drinks at Bocadero. Upon getting there she flirts like hell with me but proceeds to introduce her nerdy boyfriend. You could tell she was pissed he was there and I was like WTF but played it cool and tried to talk to other girls but the place was so damn crowded it was super hard to game.

Anyways Bocadero has some of the best girls Antwerp has to offer.

Seems to me its "The Villa" and "Bocadero" are the only place to find decent looking women there. Everywhere else has been a let down.

Your view of Antwerp is spot on. I can only confirm your analyses unfortunatly.

I went to the same places as you did, and usually the ratios are miserable. The girls know that, so you need quite some charm to diffuse them. Even if you do, usually you wont be banging the same. Maybe after some weeks later.

[Gent001]

(06-01-2017 05:55 PM)Marcus187 Wrote:  

Brussels and Antwerp are contaminated with North Africans and other Muslim scum. You can feel the negative vibe when these 'people' are around.

From my opinion the girls look similar to Dutch girls, but I've noticed they're kinda cautious. Maybe because they have to deal with these North Africans on a daily basis. I thought Sweden was bad, but Belgium is really becoming a Muslim shithole with all kinds of third world problems. The infrastructure and state of the buildings are very bad.

With your attitude and thoughts I bet most of these scum are doing better than you do in terms of picking up. I bet they snapped them birds right from under your nose. A gamma at your best.

[Gent001]

I havent had the chance yet to check out the French speaking area (Liege, Charleroi, Namur..).. Im very curious.

Based on my observations when Im passing by these cities, is that the girls are more down to earth, more feminine and warmer then the Flemish girls. But then again, I have to get to it in order to confirm.

[kirdiesel]

(06-29-2018 06:41 AM)Gent001 Wrote:  

I havent had the chance yet to check out the French speaking area (Liege, Charleroi, Namur..).. Im very curious.

Based on my observations when Im passing by these cities, is that the girls are more down to earth, more feminine and warmer then the Flemish girls. But then again, I have to get to it in order to confirm.

Glad you agree with my observations. Everywhere I go I try to drop some clean data so other guys can follow in my footsteps and not waste time.

I also want to add that I did have a modicum of success out there but time was ultimately the limiting factor. The girls are gameable but I needed multiple dates and time wasn't on my side. I am in the area fairly often but by the time I get back they usually lose interest in today's social media environment.

I was thinking to try Gent next but maybe you are right I should try the French speaking side and see if I have any better luck. I am wary of the language ability of the girls out there since I don't speak a lick of French whatsoever.