Maybe he meant serbian low life culture, i.e. track suits, sneakers, hoodies, etc., like the guy on his avatar?

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. I think the three of us are honestly having a good time, but an hour later or so, fucking other idiots try to start chatting them up, I don't even know how to handle it.

You don't. Let the woman pick. If she danced with the other guy while being with you it is time to eject. Don't waste your time. If she is interested she should have some respect for you.

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Sure enough as we walk out, she fucking walks away when I ask for the number.

wtf you asking for a number at 4am after all that partying? You should just have walked with her hand-to-hand to your apartment.

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I do not enjoy gaming in loud places, and I'm not gonna be nightgaming the next few days.

me neither. i go to these clubs 3am and look if there is something not taken. usually by 3-4 most people are looking to exit and even the music is less loud.

Quote: (06-16-2018 11:31 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (06-16-2018 08:28 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

I'm progressing. I dress Eurotrash 50 percent of the time, and formally the other 50 percent, slacks, polos, button downs, dress shoes etc. Day I went on the date I dressed formally.

Formally? What you described as formal is how I pictured you when you said that you dressed Eurotrash. In fact, when I Google images for "Eurotrash," I see photos such as these ones, which is what you described as "formal":





http://guestofaguest.com/new-york/from-o...trash-mean

So, this begs the question: what the hell are you wearing when you say Eurotrash? Formal is a tuxedo; semi-formal is a suit or jacket and tie. You might want to upgrade your wardrobe.

I meant i was wearing athletic wear.

Quote: (06-17-2018 03:40 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

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. I think the three of us are honestly having a good time, but an hour later or so, fucking other idiots try to start chatting them up, I don't even know how to handle it.

You don't. Let the woman pick. If she danced with the other guy while being with you it is time to eject. Don't waste your time. If she is interested she should have some respect for you.

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Sure enough as we walk out, she fucking walks away when I ask for the number.

wtf you asking for a number at 4am after all that partying? You should just have walked with her hand-to-hand to your apartment.

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I do not enjoy gaming in loud places, and I'm not gonna be nightgaming the next few days.

me neither. i go to these clubs 3am and look if there is something not taken. usually by 3-4 most people are looking to exit and even the music is less loud.

She danced with him barely, she danced with me much more.

My apartment was a good 20, 25 minutes away, and like I said, I think she was intending on leaving without me.

Too bad, but I guess that is one of the quirky moment one can experience while gaming.

Quote: (06-17-2018 07:11 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

She danced with him barely, she danced with me much more.

My apartment was a good 20, 25 minutes away, and like I said, I think she was intending on leaving without me.

Spring for a taxi next time and Kino the hell out of her in the back seat. Say something like "This place sucks. Why don't we go back to my place and have some wine / a few drinks / play cards / whatever".
Don't ask for a number at that point in a night, just pull them back to a place and finish the night out with a lay.

Quote: (06-17-2018 09:10 AM)superiorClimber Wrote:  

Quote: (06-17-2018 07:11 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

She danced with him barely, she danced with me much more.

My apartment was a good 20, 25 minutes away, and like I said, I think she was intending on leaving without me.

Spring for a taxi next time and Kino the hell out of her in the back seat. Say something like "This place sucks. Why don't we go back to my place and have some wine / a few drinks / play cards / whatever".
Don't ask for a number at that point in a night, just pull them back to a place and finish the night out with a lay.

Ya you have a point.

Dragan you are bullshitting yourself or maybe I’m not getting the right vibes.

1. She danced with the guy. Period. That’s how much information I need to know this is not an interested chick.

2. If you want numbers ask for them from the first 4 minutes. Most woman gives their number to many guys even those she’s not interested in. Feels good to have a full inbox.

3. Don’t spend time with a lost one. You don’t go to night club and party to 4am to get a “number”. You go there to have a nice time and pull. If you have the slightest doubt she’s not fucking you don’t try and move to another girl.

Also i think you are aiming for way too hot girls? If you don’t have lots of experiene you start from the bottom. I’m not ashamed i banged 5/6 girls in my early days. Helped me gain confidence and learn the baby steps.

If you push way over your game limits and keep working without any result (bangs) you’ll burn out.

Quote: (06-17-2018 10:33 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

Dragan you are bullshitting yourself or maybe I’m not getting the right vibes.

1. She danced with the guy. Period. That’s how much information I need to know this is not an interested chick.

2. If you want numbers ask for them from the first 4 minutes. Most woman gives their number to many guys even those she’s not interested in. Feels good to have a full inbox.

3. Don’t spend time with a lost one. You don’t go to night club and party to 4am to get a “number”. You go there to have a nice time and pull. If you have the slightest doubt she’s not fucking you don’t try and move to another girl.

Also i think you are aiming for way too hot girls? If you don’t have lots of experiene you start from the bottom. I’m not ashamed i banged 5/6 girls in my early days. Helped me gain confidence and learn the baby steps.

If you push way over your game limits and keep working without any result (bangs) you’ll burn out.

Serbia is a fucking tough nut to crack, and everyone I've spoken with has confirmed it.

1. This is nightclub dancing, they were both dancing at the same time, as was I, I should have left. Waste of time on my part.

2. I actually haven't heard the thing about numbers before. What is the reasoning behind it, apparently it is common for girls to hand out numbers here.

3. I am falling into old patterns so I need to avoid putting so much effort into a number.

Aiming for too hot girls, no, that's funny. I approach always the first girl I see as long as she is basically between 18 and 30. I basically approach anything that moves. But, sometimes I avoid approaching the hottest girls unless my wing tells me to (8's and 9's). Approaches now: somewhere over 100, talked to somewhere between 150-200 women in sets in the past 18 or so days. Maybe 20 to 30 percent nightgame, the rest daygame.

I'm not really worried about burnout, but I see it as a possibility. I'm taking days off to maintain my sanity.

edit: seems like I need to work more on figuring out how to eject from sets.

There's a certain chaos element to night game which can either give you crazy nights or huge downs if you let it get to you.

I've stuck it out in scenarios and had epic results and I've been left feeling like an idiot. That's what makes it fun for me. I don't think he should have left. That girl isn't with him. Many times I've had girls dance with other guys and come back to me.

And sometimes they end up in the bathroom sucking some guys dick.

If you're not enjoying yourself I guess that's different but for me that's a fun night out that beats loitering in the streets any day.

Quote: (06-17-2018 10:48 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

There's a certain chaos element to night game which can either give you crazy nights or huge downs if you let it get to you.

I've stuck it out in scenarios and had epic results and I've been left feeling like an idiot. That's what makes it fun for me. I don't think he should have left. That girl isn't with him. Many times I've had girls dance with other guys and come back to me.

And sometimes they end up in the bathroom sucking some guys dick.

If you're not enjoying yourself I guess that's different but for me that's a fun night out that beats loitering in the streets any day.

Good points.

Yeah there is. There's a lot of spontaneity involved. I figured hell, might as well barhop with them if they're inviting me unprompted.

I figured the night would be a spectacular success or a spectacular failure. I would wager I was doing well until her sister got obviously drunk, or at some point she got tired of being hit on by me or other guys.

I'm happy I didn't spend the night at my apartment, alone, but I think from now on, I'm gonna start night-gaming way earlier, like around 8pm instead of 10.

Btw what bars did you go to? I struggled to find decent ones there.

Quote: (06-17-2018 11:16 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

Btw what bars did you go to? I struggled to find decent ones there.

Mainly bars in Vracar near St Sava, and a few places in Savamala.

I'm kicking around the idea of doing a meetup/ daygaming, etc in Belgrade, if anyone currently here is interested, or passing few in the next few weeks. I'll co-host it with some other forum members if I get a positive response on this thread or via PM.

I'm still relatively inexperienced in Belgrade only having a month here in winter a few years ago which was spent with a girlfriend and mostly just hanging out with friends not gaming and now being around 2 weeks here is my observation.

I'd consider myself to be a veteran of night gaming in EE at least. The Balkans not so much but for sure the night scene is far better here, at least in Belgrade although I did well in a lesser scene like Sofia.

Unless you're going to splavs starting late seems kinda like a waste here. Once a place gets packed regardless of if it's more chicks than dicks the logistics most places is not great especially with tables being spread out.

Regarding more logistics: venue hopping if you're doing it via foot is not a great idea especially if you start late. Those 10 - 15 minute walks add up very quick especially if you hit 2 or 3 dead spots in a row then need to taxi to another unknown area or (Pocket) where it's unsure what the crowd would be. For example if you start at 12am you might not find your jam until 2am - 3am in which girls that were available have paired off or the quality are starting to catch cabs home leaving you with Balkan style hogging options.

I think night gaming in Belgrade should begin at 9 at least where you can position yourself at venues you know are going to pick up around 11pm and later. This allows you to game them as they trickle in vs elbow fighting your way around.

Since I'm sure more forum members have visited Paris than Belgrade I would venture to say with the exception of the clubs or splavs the spots to game high quality girls reminds me a lot of gaming in Paris.

Dragan did take us to a little 4 - 5 bar condensed block at the end of the night that seems to cater to more of the turbo folk fan girls which I see a lot of potential in despite the horrific music. It's easy to walk between places in a matter of a minute. These places where also compact enough you could engage several sets around you without having to move from your position.

I've always told people in Ukraine hitting the local spots produce the best results at night, places like Karaoke Bars full of students or student hang outs which nowadays will be mostly hipster girls which in my opinion are far up range than then down range hipster girls in the West. Girls are more receptive to westerners here but usually lack English which is why few of my western friends can pull in these places.

SuperiorClimber and Dragan are both pretty new to gaming but both are hardcore in their approaches and neither exactly know when to eject or push back but I think everyone on this forum have been there at some point.

Dragan is also very knowledgeable on Belgrade and well versed in the culture and history. Seems to be an avid reader and can talk about just about anything which in my opinion is more important than his lack of experience in the sack, I think that will pay in dividends in his future in the quality of girl he gets here. So the few members going after him on that on that I'd bet he'd school you pretty quick upon your visit here.

Another note to his troubles is a few guys (locals) he's mainly been gaming with are not financially suited to be hitting some of the better venues for night gaming relegating him to do a lot of day gaming only. Which everyone knows the results to numbers ratios can be a large spread when starting out. He's also more of a indirect game conversationalist than direct game personality which will make night game tough for people not skilled at shit talking girls.

I would go as far to say SuperiorClimber is in that same category but more willing to talk shit to girls without much fear. Like last night SuperiorClimber literally pulled a girl dancing to the bar simply by questioning if she was an Albanian and if he could buy sheep from her. As he continued to anger her she stuck by his side and began hugging and grinding her ass on him. Also note for short guys she was about 6 inches taller than him, fit and not ugly. Still not in the same league as the super hot tall Russian circus clown he picked up in Kharkiv but whatever.

As for me I bro-bonded with some Serbian dudes and a Swedish Embassy employees and did not game much as I had had a few to many vodka tonics.

I'm enjoying Belgrade. I actually think it's a great alternative to Ukraine or Russia for guys without language skills. Girls are pretty much on par and the country though not as cheap as Ukraine is also not more expensive by a wide margin.

Quote: (06-17-2018 05:10 PM)nola Wrote:  

I'm enjoying Belgrade. I actually think it's a great alternative to Ukraine or Russia for guys without language skills. Girls are pretty much on par and the country though not as cheap as Ukraine is also not more expensive by a wide margin.

I'll also add that women tend to be easier to talk to than Ukraine - less of that "ice queen" shield. You don't need to take as much time breaking through. There's a lot more work you have to put in for a Ukrainian since they are skeptical of every word coming out of your mouth. Serbians are quicker to smile or laugh at comment.

Quote: (06-17-2018 05:10 PM)nola Wrote:  

I'm still relatively inexperienced in Belgrade only having a month here in winter a few years ago which was spent with a girlfriend and mostly just hanging out with friends not gaming and now being around 2 weeks here is my observation.

I'd consider myself to be a veteran of night gaming in EE at least. The Balkans not so much but for sure the night scene is far better here, at least in Belgrade although I did well in a lesser scene like Sofia.

Unless you're going to splavs starting late seems kinda like a waste here. Once a place gets packed regardless of if it's more chicks than dicks the logistics most places is not great especially with tables being spread out.

Regarding more logistics: venue hopping if you're doing it via foot is not a great idea especially if you start late. Those 10 - 15 minute walks add up very quick especially if you hit 2 or 3 dead spots in a row then need to taxi to another unknown area or (Pocket) where it's unsure what the crowd would be. For example if you start at 12am you might not find your jam until 2am - 3am in which girls that were available have paired off or the quality are starting to catch cabs home leaving you with Balkan style hogging options.

I think night gaming in Belgrade should begin at 9 at least where you can position yourself at venues you know are going to pick up around 11pm and later. This allows you to game them as they trickle in vs elbow fighting your way around.

Since I'm sure more forum members have visited Paris than Belgrade I would venture to say with the exception of the clubs or splavs the spots to game high quality girls reminds me a lot of gaming in Paris.

Dragan did take us to a little 4 - 5 bar condensed block at the end of the night that seems to cater to more of the turbo folk fan girls which I see a lot of potential in despite the horrific music. It's easy to walk between places in a matter of a minute. These places where also compact enough you could engage several sets around you without having to move from your position.

I've always told people in Ukraine hitting the local spots produce the best results at night, places like Karaoke Bars full of students or student hang outs which nowadays will be mostly hipster girls which in my opinion are far up range than then down range hipster girls in the West. Girls are more receptive to westerners here but usually lack English which is why few of my western friends can pull in these places.

SuperiorClimber and Dragan are both pretty new to gaming but both are hardcore in their approaches and neither exactly know when to eject or push back but I think everyone on this forum have been there at some point.

Dragan is also very knowledgeable on Belgrade and well versed in the culture and history. Seems to be an avid reader and can talk about just about anything which in my opinion is more important than his lack of experience in the sack, I think that will pay in dividends in his future in the quality of girl he gets here. So the few members going after him on that on that I'd bet he'd school you pretty quick upon your visit here.

Another note to his troubles is a few guys (locals) he's mainly been gaming with are not financially suited to be hitting some of the better venues for night gaming relegating him to do a lot of day gaming only. Which everyone knows the results to numbers ratios can be a large spread when starting out. He's also more of a indirect game conversationalist than direct game personality which will make night game tough for people not skilled at shit talking girls.

I would go as far to say SuperiorClimber is in that same category but more willing to talk shit to girls without much fear. Like last night SuperiorClimber literally pulled a girl dancing to the bar simply by questioning if she was an Albanian and if he could buy sheep from her. As he continued to anger her she stuck by his side and began hugging and grinding her ass on him. Also note for short guys she was about 6 inches taller than him, fit and not ugly. Still not in the same league as the super hot tall Russian circus clown he picked up in Kharkiv but whatever.

As for me I bro-bonded with some Serbian dudes and a Swedish Embassy employees and did not game much as I had had a few to many vodka tonics.

I'm enjoying Belgrade. I actually think it's a great alternative to Ukraine or Russia for guys without language skills. Girls are pretty much on par and the country though not as cheap as Ukraine is also not more expensive by a wide margin.

Belgrade feels like a new city after all this gaming, especially learning from you and others about all that nightgame entails.

It is true what you say about splavs, but even then it can be an uphill battle depending on the splat.

The spread out nature of venues here really sucks. If you combine that with the aversion of Serbians to take taxis to go out/ nightgame, you’re set up for a nightmare.

I agree about starting earlier, especially if all the tables are going to be taken, which they will be.

We had more success of course in the bar district, even though they’re weren’t “technically” playing turbo-folk, but some often Serbian rock, which I don’t like at all. It was a relief finding that area to game in finally.

You are completely right about ejecting, it’s hard for me to get a read of women in nightgame venues.

You’re right about the friends, they are averse to high end spots, I notice it too. Daygame is so much effort for results, the only bright side is if you’re able to manage an instadate, which is hard.

I am going to be working on direct game more, it can’t be worse than indirect game. I probably need to be more forward anyway.

The shit SuperiorClimber was doing was great. I also tried a bit of the same stuff myself, just trying to be outrageous, not giving a fuck.

Guys if they think they’re gonna have a chance in Ukraine with no language need to get over to Serbia first for a wake-up on that stuff.

Quote: (06-17-2018 05:35 PM)superiorClimber Wrote:  

I'll also add that women tend to be easier to talk to than Ukraine - less of that "ice queen" shield. You don't need to take as much time breaking through. There's a lot more work you have to put in for a Ukrainian since they are skeptical of every word coming out of your mouth. Serbians are quicker to smile or laugh at comment.

Women are definitely really approachable and you can get laughs and smiles within the first minute of a set. Reject happens much later in a set than it does in the states.

Dragan, have you considered trying the villages in Serbia? I noticed in Serbian villages foreigners have strong god factor. They are rather conservative, but if you can convince her(and maybe her parents) that you will marry the girl, then you might be able to pop your cherry. Don't worry about spending too much time getting a beauty, just get the job done then getting the next bang will be easier since you will have acquired some village swagger.

Serbian mountain villages are nice in summer, the temperature is cooler, and the local peasant girls have returned home from Belgrade for the summer

Quote: (06-18-2018 10:04 AM)Wander Wrote:  

Dragan, have you considered trying the villages in Serbia? I noticed in Serbian villages foreigners have strong god factor. They are rather conservative, but if you can convince her(and maybe her parents) that you will marry the girl, then you might be able to pop your cherry. Don't worry about spending too much time getting a beauty, just get the job done then getting the next bang will be easier since you will have acquired some village swagger.

Serbian mountain villages are nice in summer, the temperature is cooler, and the local peasant girls have returned home from Belgrade for the summer

I'm thinking about it.

Tried to nightgame earlier. Streets, parks etc were mostly empty. Open up a set of two girls, it is going well. One of them had been in the US working. After about 30 minutes she says she has a boyfriend and is leaving soon. I eject.

Quote: (06-17-2018 06:50 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

Reject happens much later in a set than it does in the states.

I would much prefer to be rejected right away. That way you don't waste your time. You should probably be more direct with your approaches.

Still, you are an inspiring individual. Earlier today I saw an approach opportunity, considered wimping out, but then I thought of how you made over 100 approaches in 3 weeks. So I ended up approaching, partly thanks to you. I'm sure I'm not the only one you have inspired. Keep up the good work.

When I do sets later today I am going to be more direct. I can't afford to waste any more times being indirect or beating around the bush. This is an immediate improvement I can make that should help me.

Well thanks man. I appreciate it.

I don't like the active wear Euro trash idea at all.

Heres why.

1) You should be selling lifestyle game. You are young, good passport, comparatively wealthy, can take her to see the world, own your own business. I think your results would go up big time. Take them on a couple dates and bang.

2) By dressing like someone with a lack of funds and I assume having Serbian wings that aren't part of the in clique (high end type guys) you are probably going to come a cross as a young foreign student with limited funds and possibilities. I'm sure they get laid of girls within their strata. It's a heck of a lot easier though to bang girls when you have higher social capital then them and they view you as being of a higher level than them.

Your wings should be selling the American Businessman who came to Serbia to do business and considering relocation here. I mean you've literally got the ultimate backstory and you don't even have to lie. That in and of itself is money.

Your business could be silly and as unsexy as it gets and totally lack any sort of success but girls certainly will love to tell their friends my boyfriend has a business.

If you can fund and sell lifestyle game you'll get way better chicks. I'm not sure what the income situation is but I'd assume in Serbia it can't cost very much to do this.

Woman in every culture are going to prefer a man that seems like hes going places. Sell them the dream. My guess is you've probably read a bunch of game books and way overanalyze stuff.

Perhaps other posters will know more about this than me. I'm by no means an expert in gaming. I've always just purely exploited lifestyle game to my benefit since I finished my studies.

I know nothing about gaming in Eastern Europe, but here in Asia, I never go on a date or out to do some daygame dressed in anything less upscale than a blazer. It's not that local me or most expats are well dressed, but as a Westerner, I want to stand far above the crowd.

The girl I was out with last night (who dropped to her knees and sucked my dick as soon as she could tear my clothes off upon arriving at my apartment) had told me earlier in the evening, "I don't like to wear suits myself, but I like men in suits. He he."

It would make sense if Dragan could define the word Euro Trash. I only know that word for pop songs produced by some Scandinavian and German producers during the 90s. But what does it mean in terms of outfits? Is it something like Adidas pants combined with some running shoes and a hoddie?

Balkan girls are materalistic and love brands. My results improved (in Ukraine but it will be similar in Serbia) when I upgraded my outfits. Just a few pointers which can help in my opinion.

- Girls in EE tend to checkout shoes first. So get a pair of higher end sneakers for about €200. Hugo Boss has a few good ones for example in that price range.
- Get a Ralph Lauren shirt. If shirts are too hot get a Ralp Lauren Polo Shirt. Girl know the brand logo and know its not cheap.
- Get some decent jeans, something from Zara will do easily. Otherwise if you want to spend some more go for Diesel or Pepe.
- Extra: Get a decent looking watch. Girls in general have not idea about prices and brands of watches but will notice good looking watches instantly. So as long as the watch looks not cheap you will be good.

So if you can invest about €500 in a decent outfit your chances for success will improve your chances.