Clown mode? Dont know. My wing suggested the backstory so i just went with it, improvised a bit. Was good fun.

Giving fake names and elaborate fake stories isn't clown mode?

That's fun if you're 17 maybe. I'm telling you, the company you're keeping is making you regress as a man regardless of whether your game is improving.

Anyway I feel like a mom chastising. Will be my last advice. Good luck dude, will be happy for you any way you find fit to improve.

Dont worry too much man. Its the only set ive done like this. I dont plan on repeating this ruse... It didnt work well for me anyway.

Update: got the model to firmly commit to a date. She's gonna come over to my neighborhood tomorrow, we'll go on a walk through the park, maybe do icecream, then a cafe, and then hopefully escalate from there... One week+ of effort finally leads to this.

Quote: (06-13-2018 04:38 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

Update: got the model to firmly commit to a date. She's gonna come over to my neighborhood tomorrow, we'll go on a walk through the park, maybe do icecream, then a cafe, and then hopefully escalate from there... One week+ of effort finally leads to this.

Why ice cream and walking? Sounds like these boring Ukrainian dates to me. Buy her two glasses of wine in a nice neighborhood bar and see what happens from there.

Quote: (06-14-2018 02:05 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

Quote: (06-13-2018 04:38 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

Update: got the model to firmly commit to a date. She's gonna come over to my neighborhood tomorrow, we'll go on a walk through the park, maybe do icecream, then a cafe, and then hopefully escalate from there... One week+ of effort finally leads to this.

Why ice cream and walking? Sounds like these boring Ukrainian dates to me. Buy her two glasses of wine in a nice neighborhood bar and see what happens from there.

Yeah i may do that.

Quote: (06-13-2018 02:44 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

Giving fake names and elaborate fake stories isn't clown mode?

That's fun if you're 17 maybe. I'm telling you, the company you're keeping is making you regress as a man regardless of whether your game is improving.

Anyway I feel like a mom chastising. Will be my last advice. Good luck dude, will be happy for you any way you find fit to improve.

No harm in bending the truth and coming up with a few stories, Serbian people aren't so anal about telling the truth as Westerners. You just have to be confident with the BS

The women aren't exactly known for their honesty

I don't come to clubs often - lie
I don't usually drink - lie
I have a boyfriend - lie
I need to wake up early for church tomorrow - lie
etc

The smartest advice I ever got from a Serbian guy was "The girls here are sluts, they just don't want you to know it"

I like this date plan assuming that you *bring mixed drinks to the park*. Alcohol will make your job 100x easier.

I usually mix absolut vodka and sweet tea in a stainless steel canteen, grab some plastic cups, and throw everything in a backpack.

Date with a Serbian model today, my first date in 5 years or so in the US, or anywhere for that matter.

She postponed, 3 hours. Didn't worry too much about it, she rescheduled herself. She shows up at 3 via the bus. In front of my apartment. She told me she had been busy. I said we're going to a mafia coffee-shop and give her an interesting backstory about the place. So yeah I'm talking a lot. She greeted me with a hug also. Anyway we get there, order, start smoking etc. Catch up talk about her work shit, film, school, all that shit. Also music. We have really similar tastes in music. She's wearing Benetton, which is funny because when I met her the first time I was wearing Benetton. I launch into an anecdote about how Benetton creates provocative ads. We talk a lot about travel, sexual mores here, etc. I'm trying to make the conversation sexual at the suggestion of Stefpdt. I try to be physical, grabbing her hands, brushing her, touching her hair, her back, etc. It's raining not the best day to be in a cafe. I'm making a lot of jokes and getting a lot of laughs. I have her pretend that we're both spies since I'm an American. I show her why we're seated in our location (so we can see all the exits) talk to her about spy novels etc. She got a coffee, but maybe I should have pushed some alcohol. After about 2 hours, she says she's hungry for something sweet, so she gets a crepe. She makes me try some. I chastise her that she has to eat it all, or I'm calling off the date. We end up leaving and I put my hand over her shoulder, and walk on the side of the sidewalk closer to the street. Launch into an anecdote about why you do that. I told her a film to watch earlier, and at this point she asks for the name of it again, and she says she's going to watch it as soon as she gets home. I tell her I have to get smokes, and at this point she says she has to catch her bus across the street (I wasn't expecting this). She gives me a kiss, and she leaves. Total date time: 3 hours. Date cost:6 dollars.

This is a good starting point, and I feel a lot better now that I have learned some game principles and put them into action.

Question would be, when do I contact her next, and what do I say?

I'll just say that you should be proud of yourself for having a successful date with a Serbian model. Probably like 1% of guys will ever go on a date with a model, so it sounds like you're making great progress.

Quote: (06-14-2018 12:49 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

I'll just say that you should be proud of yourself for having a successful date with a Serbian model. Probably like 1% of guys will ever go on a date with a model, so it sounds like you're making great progress.

Western models are getting so fat that it's never been easier to date one, hehe

Happy to hear you had a date (small steps, but firm ones).
Send her a text the next day and tell her you got that movie at home and she should come and watch it with you! Don't ask, just tell her she should come!
If this happens you have to escalate and fuck her otherwise this whole thing makes no sense!
Good luck!

Quote: (06-14-2018 12:49 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

I'll just say that you should be proud of yourself for having a successful date with a Serbian model. Probably like 1% of guys will ever go on a date with a model, so it sounds like you're making great progress.

Thanks for your advise man, it helped me so much on this date.

Quote: (06-14-2018 02:11 PM)kuqezi Wrote:  

Happy to hear you had a date (small steps, but firm ones).
Send her a text the next day and tell her you got that movie at home and she should come and watch it with you! Don't ask, just tell her she should come!
If this happens you have to escalate and fuck her otherwise this whole thing makes no sense!
Good luck!

Great idea man, I may do exactly this tomorrow.

I'll also say that my jaw dropped when I saw this girl the second time. Minimal makeup, nice outfit, and she seemed super happy to see me. I don't see American girls anytime in my future.

Dragan is a really good guy, and has been hanging out with SuperiorClimber and I the past few days.

I think he's a good representative of expatriation without plans.

Though he's still a virgin I've watched him do work and he's playing a tough crowd.

He and SuperiorClimber are living the dream. I'm a serial monogamist these days watching these two fuckers approach.

They both have me outside my head acting like a stupid teenager.

wish I had hit off the beaten path in his way much younger.

Watch out though. Dragan hangs out with some shady fucking people.

Respect.

Quote: (06-14-2018 08:23 PM)nola Wrote:  

Dragan is a really good guy, and has been hanging out with SuperiorClimber and I the past few days.

I think he's a good representative of expatriation without plans.

Though he's still a virgin I've watched him do work and he's playing a tough crowd.

He and SuperiorClimber are living the dream. I'm a serial monogamist these days watching these two fuckers approach.

They both have me outside my head acting like a stupid teenager.

wish I had hit off the beaten path in his way much younger.

Watch out though. Dragan hangs out with some shady fucking people.

Respect.

Thanks man. I wish I had a bigger trust fund some days though!

I did some more gaming later today with BeastLord. I really like his high energy approach to gaming. We did basically a whole circuit of Belgrade, started in the center, went along the river, visited the restaurants on the river where the gold-diggers hang out, and then swung back towards the center. Because of rain not that many girls were out.

BeastLord is a fearless approacher. One set, we were vibing well with the girls, but they were like "we don't know you." This reply seems to be common in busier areas of Belgrade.

As I was getting on the bus, he was gaming the chicks I asked for directions from.

Quote: (06-14-2018 08:23 PM)nola Wrote:  

Watch out though. Dragan hangs out with some shady fucking people.

Quote: (06-15-2018 01:04 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

Quote: (06-14-2018 08:23 PM)nola Wrote:  

Watch out though. Dragan hangs out with some shady fucking people.

Fine, I'm the shady person.

Quote: (06-14-2018 11:40 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

Date with a Serbian model today, my first date in 5 years or so in the US, or anywhere for that matter.

She postponed, 3 hours. Didn't worry too much about it, she rescheduled herself. She shows up at 3 via the bus. In front of my apartment. She told me she had been busy. I said we're going to a mafia coffee-shop and give her an interesting backstory about the place. So yeah I'm talking a lot. She greeted me with a hug also. Anyway we get there, order, start smoking etc. Catch up talk about her work shit, film, school, all that shit. Also music. We have really similar tastes in music. She's wearing Benetton, which is funny because when I met her the first time I was wearing Benetton. I launch into an anecdote about how Benetton creates provocative ads. We talk a lot about travel, sexual mores here, etc. I'm trying to make the conversation sexual at the suggestion of Stefpdt. I try to be physical, grabbing her hands, brushing her, touching her hair, her back, etc. It's raining not the best day to be in a cafe. I'm making a lot of jokes and getting a lot of laughs. I have her pretend that we're both spies since I'm an American. I show her why we're seated in our location (so we can see all the exits) talk to her about spy novels etc. She got a coffee, but maybe I should have pushed some alcohol. After about 2 hours, she says she's hungry for something sweet, so she gets a crepe. She makes me try some. I chastise her that she has to eat it all, or I'm calling off the date. We end up leaving and I put my hand over her shoulder, and walk on the side of the sidewalk closer to the street. Launch into an anecdote about why you do that. I told her a film to watch earlier, and at this point she asks for the name of it again, and she says she's going to watch it as soon as she gets home. I tell her I have to get smokes, and at this point she says she has to catch her bus across the street (I wasn't expecting this). She gives me a kiss, and she leaves. Total date time: 3 hours. Date cost:6 dollars.

This is a good starting point, and I feel a lot better now that I have learned some game principles and put them into action.

Question would be, when do I contact her next, and what do I say?

i dont know maybe it is just me or my feeling is not correct. but i think she puts you in the friendzone? And is 3 hours date normal for you? I've seen that you spend really long time with date. I mean 3 hours is infinity for me. I can see the girl gets bored unless im friendzoned and my purpose is just to entertain her.

Quote: (06-15-2018 10:04 PM)nola Wrote:  

Fine, I'm the shady person.

I thought some of his friends are shady, didn't realize you were talking about yourself.

Interesting thread. Dragan gives me the vibe of a really nice guy. Unlike many nice guys that will have poor sexual experiences until girls want a provider and then end up in a shitty marriage with a warthog you've made a huge step in moving abroad, learning and trying to achieve a better outcome.

Overall seems like you are progressing. I'd be shocked if you still have your virginity at the end of the summer. I wouldn't stress it either. I think theres a lot of men tend to lie regarding when they lost their virginity which will make the statistics paint you as an outlier.

Only thing I don't really agree with is the dressing style. I'd go for something you are comfortable and natural in that is perhaps a bit more mature. You don't want to be trying to equate yourself with a Serbian person. Embrace that you are different, with a different culture and experiences.

Quote: (06-16-2018 03:28 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Interesting thread. Dragan gives me the vibe of a really nice guy. Unlike many nice guys that will have poor sexual experiences until girls want a provider and then end up in a shitty marriage with a warthog you've made a huge step in moving abroad, learning and trying to achieve a better outcome.

Overall seems like you are progressing. I'd be shocked if you still have your virginity at the end of the summer. I wouldn't stress it either. I think theres a lot of men tend to lie regarding when they lost their virginity which will make the statistics paint you as an outlier.

Only thing I don't really agree with is the dressing style. I'd go for something you are comfortable and natural in that is perhaps a bit more mature. You don't want to be trying to equate yourself with a Serbian person. Embrace that you are different, with a different culture and experiences.

I'm progressing. I dress Eurotrash 50 percent of the time, and formally the other 50 percent, slacks, polos, button downs, dress shoes etc. Day I went on the date I dressed formally.

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i dont know maybe it is just me or my feeling is not correct. but i think she puts you in the friendzone? And is 3 hours date normal for you? I've seen that you spend really long time with date. I mean 3 hours is infinity for me. I can see the girl gets bored unless im friendzoned and my purpose is just to entertain her.

Hmm. She wasn't on her phone at all. Which is common for girls. She came to me in my hood. She didn't bring any friends. Those are all good signs. I talked to my game mentor and he said long dates at coffeshops are not at all uncommon in serbia. She wasn't bored at all, and all things considered, I think it went pretty well. I made the conversation sexual, used double entrendres, and got touchy. She knows she's not putting me in the friendzone, I won't tolerate it. We shared the same cigarette, and when she made me a cigarette, she was licking it in a really sexual way (don't know how else to describe it).

I did a circuit of Belgrade last night starting around midnight via foot. I was walking for about 3 hours around the whole city. Ironically the only place that looked good to game was near Knez Mikhalova and the bus stations surrounding it. Maybe an aberration because it was raining. Weather has not been conducive to pickup these past few days.

Serious nightgaming today. More women were out.

Started out at a fancy bar, there were a lot of hot women there. Opened two women, saying that I thought they were speaking Bulgarian (I knew they weren't). I've tried opening sets here in Serbia using outrage to provoke strong emotions from women... Maybe not the best idea. Blowout within a few minutes.

Set at the bar, ask the chick next to me why she isn't eating the meat in her salad. Say something like, "good serbians eat all their food." Continue with, I'm the most handsome american man in Belgrade at least in 20 years. Eventual blowout.

Go with wings to a bar that I think may be good. We walk inside, and literally every table, 20+, is occupied by groups of 3, 4, 5+ women. Never seen anything like this in my life, anywhere. Quickly we are told we need reservations to be able to sit inside. Gay shit. Fuck table reservations.

Next bar, again, all the fucking tables are reserved. Such a cockblock.

Hail Mary, go to the bar district around 1, the bar district is packed. We walk into a bar playing Serbian rock/folk. Seems to be a good atmosphere no reserved tables, decent ratios. I open the first girl that comes by me. She's with her sister and has a lithe body with a good sense of style. 26, swimming instructor, lives in my neighborhood. I think I opened with something dumb, like, "do you speak english?" It was too loud, but I was shouting stuff in her ear. Her sister had lived in all places, fucking midland texas. Working at a whataburger. I entertained them with some serbian phrases I know. About an hour later they ask me if I want to go to a bar across the street with them. Sounds like a good idea. We get into the bar and start dancing. I'm horrible at dancing, but less horrible at dancing to electronic music, which is what is playing. I try to keep chatting with the swimming instructor but it's loud. I fucking hate night game. I take drags of her cigarette, make jokes, etc. I think the three of us are honestly having a good time, but an hour later or so, fucking other idiots try to start chatting them up, I don't even know how to handle it. Then they try to dance close to them. I'm using kino with the swimmer, but I don't know how well it's going. Loud bars/clubs are too chaotic environments. At some point she basically snapped with me (although I'm unsure). Already 4 am. Sure enough as we walk out, she fucking walks away when I ask for the number. Fuck nightgame, or, fuck nightgame in Belgade. The thing that comes to my mind about the last set, is that the swimmer was either mad about her little sister being hammered and having to look out for her, or I pushed too hard, or, she was pissed about the other guys that were trying to make moves on her.

I do not enjoy gaming in loud places, and I'm not gonna be nightgaming the next few days.

Quote: (06-16-2018 10:41 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

Already 4 am. Sure enough as we walk out, she fucking walks away when I ask for the number.

Damn dude, that's harsh. Spending hours with a chic only to have her walk away without even a number...

Onwards and upwards!

Quote: (06-16-2018 08:28 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

I'm progressing. I dress Eurotrash 50 percent of the time, and formally the other 50 percent, slacks, polos, button downs, dress shoes etc. Day I went on the date I dressed formally.

Formally? What you described as formal is how I pictured you when you said that you dressed Eurotrash. In fact, when I Google images for "Eurotrash," I see photos such as these ones, which is what you described as "formal":

   

   

http://guestofaguest.com/new-york/from-o...trash-mean

So, this begs the question: what the hell are you wearing when you say Eurotrash? Formal is a tuxedo; semi-formal is a suit or jacket and tie. You might want to upgrade your wardrobe.