I disagree with the notion that a girl with a high notch count makes it more likely for her to cheat. A girl with a high notch count is damaged in other ways. I've been cheated on by girls with both high and low partner counts and I think cheating is caused by something else.

When I was 23 I got into an LTR with a girl that had been with 50-60 guys (also 23). She was a recovering alcoholic and actually kept a journal that I found one day where she made a record of every guy she fucked so that she could make amends as part of the 12 step program. In several cases it would be something like "#38, some guy in that bar in Boston". My heart sank but I was a fucking loser so I stuck with her for a couple years after that.

Anyway she had gone to therapy and made some effort to get her shit together and I truly believe that she didn't cheat at any point during the relationship.

But make no mistake, she was damaged goods. Her shit tests were insane. I was completely game unaware but I had no tolerance for that. But rather than handle her shit tests with game I would just ignore her and spend time on my own which drove her insane and turned her into an even more angry and bitter cunt. A girl that's been with that many guys requires a level of attention and stimulation and thrills that noone can provide and she's destined to be absolutely miserable.

She's married with 2 kids now and the "alpha widow" dynamic is absolutely the reason you should never settle down with a girl like that. I was a complete beta at 23 and the guy she married recently is a complete beta.

If you're really interested in LTRing a girl, you need to find one that's young and inexperienced and does that thing where girls just look at you like you're the goddamned universe. I've only experienced that with younger girls. Get them to that point where they worship you, get them knocked up, and keep them busy with kids. That's about the best game plan I can think of currently.

Quote: (12-18-2016 02:05 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

Eh. It's a bit rich for guys on this forum to be calling these women "vile sluts" - considering the effort and time expended by this community on getting as many women to put out as quickly as possible, it stands to reason that a) the guys here (yours truly included) would be more likely to run into these types of women in the first place, and b) we've had a direct hand in the rise of such slutdom.

I disagree to both your points especially the second.

A) What you say may be true but just because we are good at game doesnt mean she puts out on the first date for everyone. Is it an indicator that she's done it before--probably--or is it an indicator that our game is tight.
I choose to believe that the girls I fuck on the first date aren't "first date fuckers" but that I gamed them into fucking on the first date.

B) The slutdom game was going down already. We just learned game so that we could be proficient players in it. If none of us participated girls would still be running around fuckin. The media and the socialization of women in this day and age is the direct contributor. We are just players.

Veloce ^ but what happens when the young innocent girl's relationship with you loses its initial spark and luster, shes now in a relationship, and is getting exposed to temptations that she hadnt Been to before?

Can you really know what a girls soul is made of when it hasnt been tested and exposed?

This is what happens to many guys who go to remote foreign villages find a girl and bring her back. She now sees a new world and the inner bitch comes out.

I dont have an answer to this but id be equally uncomfortable being with someone who is good only becaus eof lack of opportunities or exposure.

Quote: (12-18-2016 06:37 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

I choose to believe that the girls I fuck on the first date aren't "first date fuckers" but that I gamed them into fucking on the first date.

If it makes you feel better about yourself and gratifies your ego to believe so, then by all means go ahead. And I'm sure for at least some of the women, you may have been the first guy ever they slept with on the first date.

As a general rule, though, unless a girl is very young (18 - 21), and she fucks on the first date, you can be pretty sure you're not the first guy she's done it with. Now that doesn't mean she does it all the time, just that it's not the only time it's happened.

But again, believe whatever you like if it makes you feel better about yourself. By making the claim you just did, you're essentially saying, "no other guy has the same or better game than me to pull off what I just pulled off". That's egotistical in the extreme.

As to your second point of contention - we live in a society, and like it or not, everyone's actions in some way or another affect everyone else. No deed is completely isolated from its consequences, and it's just plain foolish to think that way.

FYI I'm not one to believe the women are sweet, innocent angels needing to be rescued - most of them know exactly what's up. My point is simply that it's non-sensical to call them "vile sluts", because it takes two to tango...

Quote: (12-18-2016 06:39 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

Veloce ^ but what happens when the young innocent girl's relationship with you loses its initial spark and luster, shes now in a relationship, and is getting exposed to temptations that she hadnt Been to before?

Can you really know what a girls soul is made of when it hasnt been tested and exposed?

This is what happens to many guys who go to remote foreign villages find a girl and bring her back. She now sees a new world and the inner bitch comes out.

I dont have an answer to this but id be equally uncomfortable being with someone who is good only becaus eof lack of opportunities or exposure.

Hence the kids.

I've been in that situation when I was a teenager and got with a virgin. She eventually got bored and left me for another guy.

I never got her to the point of attraction where she worshiped me and I sure as hell didn't get her knocked up thank god.

The temptation will always be there. If society won't establish or maintain incentives for women to stay in a relationship, then you have to. She needs to see being with you as the dream life and that one small step out of line and she's back out in the cold.

The only way I see of doing that is being a very solid, established guy. Financially secure, moderately successful, solid in your looks and game, and ready to start a family.

I agree that finding a girl to sign up for that might be damn near impossible in the U.S. and in many cases probably involves punching below your weight. I didn't say it was easy or that I myself have found the way and am living the life, but this is the only strategy I can think of.

Quote: (12-18-2016 07:01 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

The temptation will always be there. If society won't establish or maintain incentives for women to stay in a relationship, then you have to. She needs to see being with you as the dream life and that one small step out of line and she's back out in the cold.

The only way I see of doing that is being a very solid, established guy. Financially secure, moderately successful, solid in your looks and game, and ready to start a family.

I agree that finding a girl to sign up for that might be damn near impossible in the U.S. and in many cases probably involves punching below your weight. I didn't say it was easy or that I myself have found the way and am living the life, but this is the only strategy I can think of.

The older I get, the less convinced I am that lifelong (or even long term) monogamy is attractive to people at all. In "Sex at Dawn", the authors argued that we're only socially monogamous, not biologically so.

With women the world over gaining increasing financial independence, it should come as no surprise that they no longer need to put up with a guy indefinitely in exchange for food+housing.

And the novelty of sex with someone new is a big component of sexual excitement for anyone - man or woman, straight or gay, young or old. You could be the best of the best, but eventually, she will have been fuckin you for 10+ yrs and someone new will come along that she starts to fancy, just because he's new. And you'll likely do the same for other women.

So it goes...

Quote: (12-18-2016 02:20 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

I dont ask, i dont care, i dont believe what they volunteer to tell me.

^^I'm 100% with you. I'm past any point of concern about these things. I assume they're all whores...interchangeable pussies, who have the rest of their bodies acting as the life support system.

Quote: (12-18-2016 02:53 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

Biggest slut I've personally known was during high school, I meet her freshman year and she was the chick who would suck multiple guys off and/or get fucked by a couple dudes at every party, go to parties and get a train run on her by 20-30 guys, one time she sucked off a random 50-60 year old dude in a convenience store parking lot for a pack of cigarettes. She must have fucked well over 200 guys by the time she was 18.

She was honestly pretty cute, thin korean/irish mix in a town thats 99% white, her parents had a lot of money and from everything I saw raised their kids well, the other sister who was a year younger and a solid 8.5 was the opposite, a conservative good girl. Maybe the Korean mother treated them differently and that's why one turned out to be a mega slut.

She tried to fuck everyone in my social circle and I wouldn't be surprised if we all fucked her but no one admitted it. I did fuck her once (strapped up obviously) and another time called her up when I was trashed and she came over and sucked my dick for 4 hours, she kept asking me to fuck her without a condom because she's on the pill and I would just say no. Whats kind of funny is one of my best friends from back then who was well aware of her hardcore sluttery is now locked down with her in a LTR and probably headed for marriage.

Quote: (12-18-2016 04:23 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

Quote: (12-18-2016 03:12 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

How does she look now?

Pretty good, I'd call her a strong 7, she's maintained her great body while all the other girls I went to school with have put on at least 30-40lbs in their late 20s.

Hilarious, but not for the guy she married. No way she's faithful to him. However there are exceptions to the rule - this one sounds like a slut/whore who plays the game perfectly and has zero guilt about it, so she can keep her marriage intact but still fuck guys on the sly while being able to dote on her husband. A true sociopath built to fuck.

Quote: (12-18-2016 06:49 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

Quote: (12-18-2016 06:37 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

I choose to believe that the girls I fuck on the first date aren't "first date fuckers" but that I gamed them into fucking on the first date.

FYI I'm not one to believe the women are sweet, innocent angels needing to be rescued - most of them know exactly what's up. My point is simply that it's non-sensical to call them "vile sluts", because it takes two to tango...

I'm pretty sure it's been discussed in this thread, and 100 other threads and blogs, that you cannot judge women and men by the same standards. Men and women are not equal and cannot be judged as equals.

Quote: (12-18-2016 07:21 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

Quote: (12-18-2016 07:01 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

I agree that finding a girl to sign up for that might be damn near impossible in the U.S. and in many cases probably involves punching below your weight. I didn't say it was easy or that I myself have found the way and am living the life, but this is the only strategy I can think of.

The older I get, the less convinced I am that lifelong (or even long term) monogamy is attractive to people at all. In "Sex at Dawn", the authors argued that we're only socially monogamous, not biologically so.

And the novelty of sex with someone new is a big component of sexual excitement for anyone - man or woman, straight or gay, young or old. You could be the best of the best, but eventually, she will have been fuckin you for 10+ yrs and someone new will come along that she starts to fancy, just because he's new. And you'll likely do the same for other women.

I dunno man, I think you're catching yourself in a bit of confirmation bias. A lot of this shit has been allegorical evidence, but just because you haven't observed the opposite happening doesn't mean it doesn't. There must be some exceptions to your rule.

I've been doing a bit of reading about it, and it looks much less one-sided than you make it seem. We had to be flexible for the survival of our species. Working in family units appears to have provided for added brain growth in humans. Humans have always formed long lasting pairs, however they were not strictly monogamist.

The research implies that human men are the lynch pin in all of this. We care more than women sub-consciously because we have to. It doesn't make any economic sense to provide for weak women and children otherwise, we could just hoard wealth for ourselves, but society would fall apart. Women care about their men too, to a point, but men in the past often left and never came back.

If, as a female, your male provider goes off and dies leaving you with children, you don't have the luxury to mourn him forever because your family will starve. You have to rebuild.

I think studying this from the 'evolutionary psychology' or 'anthropological' perspective is beneficial for everyone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/scienc...ution.html

The girl I lost my virginity to and I still talk and hang out from time to time. About a year and a half ago she told me she had slept with about 70-80 guys, sometimes she would leave a guys place after fucking him to jump on another dick. No clean up or anything in between.

On another note, when I was in college I was seeing 3 girls who were all friends with one another. At first it was fun, they would pass me around all knowing what I was up to. Then they started getting salty, and schedule me in the same night to get to me first so they could leave "their marks". Girl #1 would have me come over to fuck her raw knowing I'd leave to see #2. Number 2 would suck me off right when I'd get there and want to fuck. All of us knew number 3 was more on the prudish side, so number 2 loved when I'd go down on her and eat her ass before we'd fuck. By the time I saw number 3 I'd be spent. We would make out I'd go down on her.

I'd flip the script on them and change the rules of engagement cause I wanted to see how they would react. They ended up infighting and trying to win me over. I booked it knowing it wouldn't turn out well for me. They had a fallout but then some sisterhood ya ya crap pulled them together.

A "vile slut" for the exact same behavior we do? Geez, with that mentality, we're setting ourselves up for continued disappointment. You do know that Unicorn you're looking for will almost certainly lie about how many cocks she's gotten acquainted with.
I once fucked four different women in one day and didn't shower in between any of them. I'm not vile, nor a slut. I just love pussy.

Re: Veloce

"A girl that's been with that many guys requires a level of attention and stimulation and thrills that no one can provide and she's destined to be absolutely miserable."

While I agree that it is probably worse for a girls Psyche when she bangs a lot of guys. I have recently come the realization that it also has the potential to screw up a guy. In the last 2 years, I've been with 40 women and done all kinds of fun stuff, threesomes, multiple girls in one day, rotating girls etc. I don't regret a thing but now I'm in a LTR with a girl I really like and I must say I miss the stimulation of constant gaming (both the ups and downs). The first couple of months when I stopped playing so hard actually felt like a withdrawal. This in spite of the fact that I was still sleeping with multiple women including a side girl. Its hard to replace the thrill of banging new girls all the time. I am a very self actualized guy and I can only imagine a guy who is not as self actualized trying to transition from a player lifestyle to more of a LTR. It would be hard.

Quote: (12-19-2016 07:36 AM)Snowplow Wrote:  

On another note, when I was in college I was seeing 3 girls who were all friends with one another. At first it was fun, they would pass me around all knowing what I was up to. Then they started getting salty, and schedule me in the same night to get to me first so they could leave "their marks". Girl #1 would have me come over to fuck her raw knowing I'd leave to see #2. Number 2 would suck me off right when I'd get there and want to fuck. All of us knew number 3 was more on the prudish side, so number 2 loved when I'd go down on her and eat her ass before we'd fuck. By the time I saw number 3 I'd be spent. We would make out I'd go down on her.

I'd flip the script on them and change the rules of engagement cause I wanted to see how they would react. They ended up infighting and trying to win me over. I booked it knowing it wouldn't turn out well for me. They had a fallout but then some sisterhood ya ya crap pulled them together.

Quote: (12-19-2016 03:07 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

Re: Veloce

"A girl that's been with that many guys requires a level of attention and stimulation and thrills that no one can provide and she's destined to be absolutely miserable."

While I agree that it is probably worse for a girls Psyche when she bangs a lot of guys. I have recently come the realization that it also has the potential to screw up a guy. In the last 2 years, I've been with 40 women and done all kinds of fun stuff, threesomes, multiple girls in one day, rotating girls etc. I don't regret a thing but now I'm in a LTR with a girl I really like and I must say I miss the stimulation of constant gaming (both the ups and downs). The first couple of months when I stopped playing so hard actually felt like a withdrawal. This in spite of the fact that I was still sleeping with multiple women including a side girl. Its hard to replace the thrill of banging new girls all the time. I am a very self actualized guy and I can only imagine a guy who is not as self actualized trying to transition from a player lifestyle to more of a LTR. It would be hard.

How old are you?

When I first got into game and was spinning several plates at once it gave me that thrill.

Before my most recent trip I got 3 new notches in about 3 weeks...my last week I banged all of them plus my ex so 4 girls in a week.

I'm 35 and it doesn't give me anywhere near the same satisfaction. If anything, at this age I feel the emptiness of notch collecting and the push is pretty strong to find that high quality woman.

When talking about LTRs and the sacrifices one makes, for me it's not about the freedom to bang other girls. That's not too difficult.

The main sacrifice a man makes is his freedom, period. The freedom to have time and space to himself without some nagging shithead trying to squeeze more attention out of him.

So no, I don't believe that having a high notch count as a man makes it harder for you to be in an LTR. I don't know how old you are but I imagine it's a lot more about your age than your notch count.

Quote: (12-18-2016 07:21 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

Quote: (12-18-2016 07:01 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

The temptation will always be there. If society won't establish or maintain incentives for women to stay in a relationship, then you have to. She needs to see being with you as the dream life and that one small step out of line and she's back out in the cold.

The only way I see of doing that is being a very solid, established guy. Financially secure, moderately successful, solid in your looks and game, and ready to start a family.

I agree that finding a girl to sign up for that might be damn near impossible in the U.S. and in many cases probably involves punching below your weight. I didn't say it was easy or that I myself have found the way and am living the life, but this is the only strategy I can think of.

The older I get, the less convinced I am that lifelong (or even long term) monogamy is attractive to people at all. In "Sex at Dawn", the authors argued that we're only socially monogamous, not biologically so.

With women the world over gaining increasing financial independence, it should come as no surprise that they no longer need to put up with a guy indefinitely in exchange for food+housing.

And the novelty of sex with someone new is a big component of sexual excitement for anyone - man or woman, straight or gay, young or old. You could be the best of the best, but eventually, she will have been fuckin you for 10+ yrs and someone new will come along that she starts to fancy, just because he's new. And you'll likely do the same for other women.

So it goes...

I read Sex at Dawn.

I don't buy it.

For each cheating whore that gets off on the thrill of an affair, I'd be willing to bet there's another one that destroyed a relationship and heavily regrets it.

You're right that women no longer depend on men for food and shelter, but that doesn't mean that the dynamic of her "being out in the cold" doesn't exist or that women don't depend on us for other things. Men are still the emotional foundation of women's lives. They adopt our interests, sense of humor, and depend on us for emotional stimulation.

There was a meme I saw once, basically "There can be way better looking guys that hit on your girl and she'll stay by your side. But if another guy makes her laugh more than you you're fucked." I firmly believe this. The number one attractor is and always will be emotional stimulation in my book.

So you're fine with marrying a prostitute? It's the same as a slut, but a prostitute is smart enough to get paid to spread her legs for hundreds of random guys.

I have a girlfriend and she lived in one house with two friends (girls) - she had moved there while we were already together. Luckily, they moved away, but they are still at contact. Those girls are typical example of today girl - you could have seen them with bottle of wine almost every evening, while listening to shitty slut music. They only go to school/work, sleep, drink and party.... their look is shitty. One is fat, but only benefit from big tits and second looks like "barell with hands and legs" (two chins included). They both had some relationship, but fucked around. Actually they both had beta boys, who would accept them as they are, but they broke up with them and fuck around even more. And that is sad, that such garbage can get attention anyway.
What I told my girl first day I have seen them, was that if she adopt anything from their lifestyle, game is over. And everytime she mentions them, I tell her how disguistuing they are and the story about them in 8-10 years - even fatter ugly slut, who are desperate, because no one cares about them anymore. And that they will have shitty life until the end of their days and will regret all of this.

Anyway, when I think about it, about a year ago I thought, that high notch count shouldn´t be any problem... thanks RVF.

Quote: (12-19-2016 07:20 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Quote: (12-19-2016 03:07 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

Re: Veloce

"A girl that's been with that many guys requires a level of attention and stimulation and thrills that no one can provide and she's destined to be absolutely miserable."

While I agree that it is probably worse for a girls Psyche when she bangs a lot of guys. I have recently come the realization that it also has the potential to screw up a guy. In the last 2 years, I've been with 40 women and done all kinds of fun stuff, threesomes, multiple girls in one day, rotating girls etc. I don't regret a thing but now I'm in a LTR with a girl I really like and I must say I miss the stimulation of constant gaming (both the ups and downs). The first couple of months when I stopped playing so hard actually felt like a withdrawal. This in spite of the fact that I was still sleeping with multiple women including a side girl. Its hard to replace the thrill of banging new girls all the time. I am a very self actualized guy and I can only imagine a guy who is not as self actualized trying to transition from a player lifestyle to more of a LTR. It would be hard.

How old are you?

When I first got into game and was spinning several plates at once it gave me that thrill.

Before my most recent trip I got 3 new notches in about 3 weeks...my last week I banged all of them plus my ex so 4 girls in a week.

I'm 35 and it doesn't give me anywhere near the same satisfaction. If anything, at this age I feel the emptiness of notch collecting and the push is pretty strong to find that high quality woman.

When talking about LTRs and the sacrifices one makes, for me it's not about the freedom to bang other girls. That's not too difficult.

The main sacrifice a man makes is his freedom, period. The freedom to have time and space to himself without some nagging shithead trying to squeeze more attention out of him.

So no, I don't believe that having a high notch count as a man makes it harder for you to be in an LTR. I don't know how old you are but I imagine it's a lot more about your age than your notch count.

I am right there with you..

Notches mean shit to me now... im also mid 30s and that satisfaction and thrill is also gone. I am looking for that high quality woman.

Re: Veloce and Kirdiesel

I'm actually older than you (in my 40s). I however was married until 2.5 years ago and in spite of being very good looking and tall, had very poor game pre-marriage.

You guys say that the thrill is gone from banging new women when you are a little older and have had a bunch of notches and that you are now looking for a high quality woman. But, isn't that exactly what slutty woman say when they get into their 30s?

By the way, I'm not trying to defend sluts, the high notch counts don't bother me in terms of a casual relationship; but in my experience most slutty woman lie, manipulate and are screwed up in the head.

Re: dallasguy

A slut is not the same as a prostitute. A slut has sex for fun. A gold digger is the same as a prostitute and is way worse than a slut in my opinion (even a gold digger with a low notch count). Actually I think strippers are the worst of all because their job requires the highest level of manipulation.

Blackdragon divides women into three categories: dominant, submissive and independent. Dominants can sleep around all they want and it doesn't bother me. They are dominant by nature. I don't want to be in a relationship with one but they can make great great f-buddies. Independents are also not effected in a terribly negative way by sleeping around. I actually had a mini-relationship with an independent in her late 30s who had been with over 100 guys. It didn't bother me and hadn't messed her up as far as I could tell. On the other hand, it seems really dark when a submissive woman sleeps around.

Quote: (12-20-2016 06:17 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

Re: dallasguy

A slut is not the same as a prostitute. A slut has sex for fun. A gold digger is the same as a prostitute and is way worse than a slut in my opinion (even a gold digger with a low notch count). Actually I think strippers are the worst of all because their job requires the highest level of manipulation.

Agreed 100%. Strippers are the most ruthless of the lot, I'd have to say, followed by gold diggers. Sluts can often be manipulative, while prostitutes are the most honest of them all.

Quote: (12-20-2016 06:13 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

Re: Veloce and Kirdiesel

You guys say that the thrill is gone from banging new women when you are a little older and have had a bunch of notches and that you are now looking for a high quality woman. But, isn't that exactly what slutty woman say when they get into their 30s?

So?

Again see Samseau's post. There's no comparing men and women.

I'll give you the most basic absurdity of that argument:

I'm at my best right about now. I know that when I make the effort to dress nicely and go out gaming, I've got the best odds I've ever had to pull quality tail. My game was nonexistent until about 28 or so. While I may not physically feel in my prime (I'm also writing this jetlagged and hungover) that my SMV is probably higher now than it's ever been.

A career chick that's had over 100 dicks at 35 and looking for that high quality man, by contrast, is in steep decline in her SMV. A womans SMV is highest when she is young and inexperienced. A man's is highest when he's older and experienced.

So me looking for a high quality woman at this point in the game makes sense. For a woman it does not. That ship has sailed.

i used to work with a chick who had some type of cancer and she knew her time was running out...she was 25 and said she was at like 150 ..would literally go out every night looking for ons...

also met a 25 yo latina single mom recently who let me smash on the first date..she claimed shes had 4 partners but that roast felt cavernous af and had a weird smell