[The_e_man]

Social media is vital to hot girls in the 18-22 demographic.
Sure, the loser girls that had no friends in high school probably don't care how many instagram followers you have, but we aren't learning game to fuck those girls. We want the hot, cream of the crop, top of the social ladder hotties. And those girls will definitely care about your social media presence.

Like it or not. Guys on here want to argue cause it's an uncomfortable truth and most of you guys probably have a shitty instagram page. And I don't blame you. It's not really a masculine endeavour so we don't really enjoy spending time on our social media image the same way girls naturally do. But you have to adapt or die. You can fight tooth and nail and keep arguing, but to the young hot popular girls, you're just a weirdo unless you have some social media clout to back your shit up.
Obviously this doesn't apply to girls over 25. And most of the members here are older cats so I can understand the confusion.

[subterfuge]

Tinder is how everyone gets laid really.
The 'I just got laid thread' is basically exclusively tinder (which is just about being goodlooking rather than 'game' but whatever. pussy is pussy lol)

[Teedub]

(07-12-2018 02:12 PM)BadKing Wrote:  

Tinder has lower quality than the open hunt, both in terms of physical and mental qualities.

You’re guaranteed to date significantly down, and the killer for me; it’s unromantic to an extreme. Prostitution, with the exchange of your superior looks for an inferior looking, horny girl. No challenge, no fun, no romance.

The fun in game is to hunt a woman of superior looks to your own. Then you have to use your charm, and that’s what’s rewarding.

Day game works great in parks, and night game while dying in the clubs has never been more alive in trendy bars.

Find the trendy bars.

I will also add that true good looking girls are not on tinder (don’t last very long) because they get bored of the predictability of it. They know they’ll get a match on all right swipes.

Girls are on tinder to either promote their Instagram, or because it’s addictive and their mental health isn’t doing so good. It’s basically for the bottom feeders—both men and women.

So you saying that Chads will get all the pussy...the real ones are not on tinder, they’re getting it in real life.

I do badly online. Bad pictures most likely (ask people who know me, I'm not ugly - I'm decent looking), and this might seem like jealousy... but I believe BadKing's post is mostly accurate. Of course there are exceptions. However, I have three friends who have always been good with women - they all almost always have a 7-8 girlfriend and none of them have ever even downloaded a dating app. It's all social circle, introductions, and night time etc.

[yang2287]

I deleted my tinder last week

It just sucks and i get one match a month and when i do get a match the girls don't respond.

Also deleting tinder forces me to go out and hunt or die hungry. I don't need to tell you the adrenaline rush that comes from real life approach vs the bullshit i get to suffer online. But real life approach works when the approaches are not few and far between, summer is a good season. Will i have the same views in winter? Will i reinstall tinder in winter when girls do not go out much and basically hibernate like hedge hogs

i'm probably too ugly lol, but whatever its not working for me here in a small city in France

Last weekend during the French world cup win celebration here in my city i managed to pick up a lesbian and her girlfriend in the city center and there i confirmed that i'm not ugly lol, at least when the girl is drunk.

It was done by cold approaching on the street around 2am around the bars. No judgy eyes at night, Not much light, she was drinking and she gave IOIs while i walked past. I basically roamed up and down hopelessly around the bar area searching for IOIs and getting rejected by 2 girls previously until i walked past them (Don't spam approach) and opened.

For me online has been ineffective considering the number of hours i spend looking at the screen, checking profiles, spamming messages, running the same game via sms all for what, a fat bitch with oversized ego or 69er single moms

The hot girls are just not online i can confirm in this city

In real life cold approaching the quality i get to meet moves from 5 (online) to 8 (offline)

Yes night game in night clubs are dying, i can confirm that too, i used to go out every night solo and sober these past few months, Salsa classes tues and thurs, Bars fri, nightclub saturday. now i stopped doing Nightclubs, again maybe its the city i live in.

Nightclubs are now a low probability play. Delete from your venue list

I am sure events at night where girls are on the street, a festival where there are many girls (especially where there is a lot of alchohol), a gala dinner where everyone is suit or dresses, a party with a filtered door (for riff-raffs) with a lot of alchohol are all still in play. Girls love a filtered door.

I can report success from these types of events.

Daygame seems to me that the girls are not filtered (for DTF), it seems low probability for me. To be fair i have not tried to daygame since i was 13 learning to seduce women by talking. They'd probably be creeped out here in France if i tried to do that seeing all the nonesense they are being fed via social media about all men being creeps.

[Trent W.]

I don't have Tinder, but I have used Badoo in the past.

In my opinion, Online Game is like investments and Nightgame/Daygame is like a job.

You create your Tinder profile, spend some time on making it good and then let it do its work and generate income. Game on the other hand means you have to go out and do the work.

Just like you would - in theory - make more money if you would both work and invest, you will have more dates/lays if you use both Tinder and NG/DG.

One problem that I experienced with Online, is that I treated it like a job instead of an investment. On a "good" day I would even spend 2-3 hours online. The RoI for such an effort was not worth it. Granted, I could have improved my profile and perhaps paid for the app. Freebies do not cut it anymore as far as I understand. In any case, 2-3 hours of DG/NG a day would probably give me better results. If not in actual numbers, at least in skill.

[Oak]

(07-12-2018 02:12 PM)BadKing Wrote:  

Tinder has lower quality than the open hunt, both in terms of physical and mental qualities.

You’re guaranteed to date significantly down, and the killer for me; it’s unromantic to an extreme. Prostitution, with the exchange of your superior looks for an inferior looking, horny girl. No challenge, no fun, no romance.

Solid post. I think this trade off is becoming worse. Many girls are only willing to meet guys at least 2-3 points above them in SMV.

The reason for this is not pure hypergamy. Most guys have terrible in-person game. Many just mind-rape the girl with whatever they think will impress them. And this applies to most men. Even the very attractive ones.

So women are now demanding additional compensation in looks to offset the risk that they end up on a date with a guy with pathetic game, even if he is better looking than them.

Tinder seems to be getting worse by the month, and I think other men are just as much to blame as runaway hypergamy.

[Alpone]

With under-25s raised and groomed entirely online, online dating is becoming saturated and boring - especially to womyn who need the latest novelty. Online game is an investment, but it's also a crutch with diminishing returns every year as new apps increasingly cater to girl's worst instincts and provide value for fewer and fewer men.

I think night game will see a revival and become a novelty in the next few years. It weeds out the most autistic guys and doesn't have the stigma of a girl saying "we met on tindr" if a relationship actually happens. I've noticed a lot of girls getting tired of bumble/tindr and complain about the quality of guys. Anecdotally and all things being equal, I've also noticed girls value a guy who approached them more than a guy theyre msging on tinder.

So yea, girls have never had more dick available to them - low quality soy dick, coming at them at rapid fire at every angle. If you're just a little bit masculine and have a bit of game, in the next few years you can stand out big time at nightgame and clean up IMO.

[Teedub]

(07-17-2018 10:29 PM)Alpone Wrote:  

So yea, girls have never had more dick available to them - low quality soy dick, coming at them at rapid fire at every angle. If you're just a little bit masculine and have a bit of game, in the next few years you can stand out big time at nightgame and clean up IMO.

Fingers crossed, for well-calibrated daygame also.

[kirdiesel]

I consider myself a nightgame veteran. Ive been clubbing for about 19 years now and I think this whole nightgame is dying scenario is going to vary per location. I was recently in NYC and its still going fairly strong. Long lines and lots of girls on the street. I opened many girls and girls are receptive to dancing and approach just like they were when I left 7+ years ago. Germany is fairly the same (well at least in Cologne). You can still go out, nightgame and pickup girls. Clubs still have many girls in them and this one of the rare cities ive been in Europe where I haven't had too many complaints about ratio. Just the entitlement and attitude of the women suck but thats another thread.

However, what I did notice across the board are the "background checks" via social media now. I am trained as a lone wolf and have come from the church of pure night game and bottle service and even no wingman to get my notches I will absolutely agree that this lone wolf strategy is high ineffective now. Nightgame has been my bread and butter for years as long as I can remember and I HAVE to admit Tinder with a strong social media the way to go. It is really just easier and more efficent to get on the app and try to meet women that way. Building a strong insta is now the way of the future and beyond.

I am late to the Tinder game because nightgame was so ingrained in me and am now trying to understand it. I have finally uploaded somewhat decent pictures and am now trying to get bangs and goddamn is it hard for us older guys. I feel I am a decent looking guy (5,10 185) and can do fairly well in person. I am actually one of the best nightgamers I know but this doesn't translate at all over Tinder and I am struggling to convey my SMV on there. I will figure this out eventually and hopefully get as good on Tinder as I am in the clubs. Its just a matter of grinding it out.

Fantastic thread guys!

[Eddie Winslow]

(07-17-2018 10:29 PM)Alpone Wrote:  

With under-25s raised and groomed entirely online, online dating is becoming saturated and boring - especially to womyn who need the latest novelty. Online game is an investment, but it's also a crutch with diminishing returns every year as new apps increasingly cater to girl's worst instincts and provide value for fewer and fewer men.

I think night game will see a revival and become a novelty in the next few years. It weeds out the most autistic guys and doesn't have the stigma of a girl saying "we met on tindr" if a relationship actually happens. I've noticed a lot of girls getting tired of bumble/tindr and complain about the quality of guys. Anecdotally and all things being equal, I've also noticed girls value a guy who approached them more than a guy theyre msging on tinder.

So yea, girls have never had more dick available to them - low quality soy dick, coming at them at rapid fire at every angle. If you're just a little bit masculine and have a bit of game, in the next few years you can stand out big time at nightgame and clean up IMO.

I can't express enough how blessed and grateful I am for being young enough to grow up surrounded by technology, but just a bit too old to be bogged down with a social media addiction. The men in the 26-35 age group are going to absolutely dominate the planet for decades to come.

I've tried unsuccessfully to maintain a cool IG account for sole purpose of catering to these younger girls. It's plain to see how it can positively affect a man's perceived value and I have to give props to dudes who can do it. I just don't have it my soul to invest the time and attention into something that is so goddamn fake and poisonous. I cringe when I see people interrupt the special moments in life to take a shitty video, and then spend 10 minutes picking the best filter and hasthags to include, and then spend the rest of the day monitoring how many likes it gets.

I'm not MGTOW, but if hardcore social media use is an adapt or die scenario, I'm choosing death. If it means I can't get pussy anymore so be it.

The Trump election showed me that Americans have a ceiling for dealing with fakeness and general bullshit being shoved down their throats. Social media, online dating, etc. is the quintessence of fake. It might not be next year or the year after, but people will wake up and get back in touch with reality. Hopefully my dick still works properly when that day comes.

[tomzestatlu]

If I was looking for LTR, I would definitely delete dating apps. But on the other hand, it´ s really good source of cheap notches. Yes, you must invest time into that and it might happen it´s few hours a day. But on the other hand, it´s much less than any other method.
Recently, I had strong urge to delete Badoo. I had easy notches spree and I was totally disguisted by that actually. But it´s too effective source of contacts, so I decided I will keep that and use it when I feel the need. It´s good to let my profile rest for some time and then open for all the matches and new girls.
But I was never thinking about "optimilizing" my social media. I only share unintentional photos from my life on Badoo (no IG). It depends who you want to be seen as. I consider myself being and wanted to be seen as adventure tough guy, so I have some photos from hiking, climbing, travelling, military... And it works quite well. My look is big advantage, but I play it naturally. No "model-like" photos.

As being said by most of the guys here, you can maximize your chances by maximizing your income streams. In my last post in this thread I rejected night game and on the same night (I guess), I got luxurious bang with a girl I met at 4.00am in a bar. And I must say it was much more valuable, than any Badoo bang. I would say something about struggle, but that wasn´t any struggle actually to get to her bed. But the adventure around, thrill of working for the goal the whole evening... that´s something what insta-dates miss.

But there are some issues with social media I feel when chatting with girls:
- They often blame me for not chatting with them enough. It´s typical, that girl says she will be free next week and I write her next week and she replies, why do I want to see her, when I didn´t write her a message for a week. I started to see social media as only tool for meeting real-life and they totally miss the point at this.
- I was blamed as weird when not using emoji. Yes, there were girls, who totally couldn´t take the fact, that I don´t use emoji.

[TigerMandingo]

(07-18-2018 09:16 AM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

I'm not MGTOW, but if hardcore social media use is an adapt or die scenario, I'm choosing death. If it means I can't get pussy anymore so be it.

[Graft]

(07-18-2018 07:53 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

However, what I did notice across the board are the "background checks" via social media now. I am trained as a lone wolf and have come from the church of pure night game and bottle service and even no wingman to get my notches I will absolutely agree that this lone wolf strategy is high ineffective now. Nightgame has been my bread and butter for years as long as I can remember and I HAVE to admit Tinder with a strong social media the way to go. It is really just easier and more efficent to get on the app and try to meet women that way. Building a strong insta is now the way of the future and beyond.

I am late to the Tinder game because nightgame was so ingrained in me and am now trying to understand it. I have finally uploaded somewhat decent pictures and am now trying to get bangs and goddamn is it hard for us older guys. I feel I am a decent looking guy (5,10 185) and can do fairly well in person. I am actually one of the best nightgamers I know but this doesn't translate at all over Tinder and I am struggling to convey my SMV on there. I will figure this out eventually and hopefully get as good on Tinder as I am in the clubs. Its just a matter of grinding it out.

Fantastic thread guys!

It's refreshing to hear an older cat admit this, because old-school game purists like Roosh rely almost exclusively on lone wolf cold approach and this forum attracts those with the same mentality. Unfortunately this method of game is dying and for the guys who deny the inevitable death of this type of game, I question whether they are spending the appropriate amount of time hanging around women and picking up their habits.

I've seen guys on the forum make a noble effort into IG, and they turn out decent, but always the same type of gram-solo traveler with a followliker and thousands of random likes from Asia.

Guys have to start understanding that having no friends, no social proof, is like having no money, or being fat. Having a social media profile with low followers, or no friends/family in pictures, or showing that you don't socialize, is like showing your big, fat, belly.

Forumers should be taking group pictures of each other doing fun stuff at meet ups; not getting constantly sketched out, deleting all social media and spam approaching.

I don't mean to lecture, because only recently has all of this has started to make sense to me. The last girl I cared about left me for a less valuable but more popular guy. I've gotten curved hundreds of times since. "Where are your friends?" "What is your facebook?" "Your IG/Tinder/Bumble looks like you have no friends!"

I'm someone with value in the form of looks, money, game, style, travels, etc. Marketing it is the key. All I need to do from here is take pictures.

One thing that I will promise this forum is I will succeed with social media/social circle and report the results. I'm pretty close to an exact formula for success, I just need to tweak it.

[TheFinalEpic]

Anecdotally, I have met a couple girls in the past week that told me the exact same thing: "I've never met a guy out on the town, had him follow up and have a date, most of the time it's just like meeting people on Tinder"

So, gaming IRL is an auto-differentiator, which we've already talked about. Now I have to personally question why I would spend time getting to know these bitches if they'll just fuck off of an app. Why go spend an hour or two of my time, plus $20 on drinks when I can just fire up an app, get some pro photos done, and have a field day?

I've always been an advocate for taking the hard way, because it is actually satisfying, unlike just taking the easy road and ending up with shit falling in my lap. I have had to sit by myself and think about this. Interesting thread.

[kuqezi]

(07-18-2018 09:16 AM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:29 PM)Alpone Wrote:  

I can't express enough how blessed and grateful I am for being young enough to grow up surrounded by technology, but just a bit too old to be bogged down with a social media addiction. The men in the 26-35 age group are going to absolutely dominate the planet for decades to come.

I've tried unsuccessfully to maintain a cool IG account for sole purpose of catering to these younger girls. It's plain to see how it can positively affect a man's perceived value and I have to give props to dudes who can do it. I just don't have it my soul to invest the time and attention into something that is so goddamn fake and poisonous. I cringe when I see people interrupt the special moments in life to take a shitty video, and then spend 10 minutes picking the best filter and hasthags to include, and then spend the rest of the day monitoring how many likes it gets.

I'm not MGTOW, but if hardcore social media use is an adapt or die scenario, I'm choosing death. If it means I can't get pussy anymore so be it.

The Trump election showed me that Americans have a ceiling for dealing with fakeness and general bullshit being shoved down their throats. Social media, online dating, etc. is the quintessence of fake. It might not be next year or the year after, but people will wake up and get back in touch with reality. Hopefully my dick still works properly when that day comes.

Amen brother!
Fuck this nonsense mental jerk, validation thirsty robots!
Live your life naturally! Who cares who likes or doesn't like your pic!

[Disco_Volante]

Graft I'm in the same boat as you. Men who break the mold and *leave* their home nest area aren't going to have a hugely developed social circle compared to a guy whose lived there 20+ years.

You're entering circles where some people have stayed their whole lives, so it will seem like they have a more enriching social life than you. A girl won't understand, she will just side with the security and comfort of many friends.

I have too much curiosity about the world to stay in one place, but to most people that is strange apparently.

[Alpha_Ambitionz]

I'm turning 24 soon, and my biggest regret in life is that I didn't try to create a new social circle in college.

I started in community college, so instead of going straight to university, living in res, and meeting new people, I just stuck with my old friends from high school.

The problem with my old friends is that all they did was smoke weed and play video games. I knew that I had to distance myself from that lifestyle, so I cut them out from my life. Now, I have no friends.

When I first discovered game, it was like discovering hope.

I thought to myself, “hey, I don’t need friends to meet girls. I can just do that stuff myself!”

So I would go out onto the streets and run solo day game for hours on end, stacking up the approaches one after another.

I got minimal results for the effort that I put in: Think 1000 approaches over the last 5 years, 100 numbers, and 6 dates (I’m still a virgin to this day).

I had some of the best moments of my life, despite the low ROI that I was experiencing. After all, I was talking to girls, getting numbers, and pushing my comfort zones.

Eventually, I found the novelty starting to wear off. I was getting numbers, I told myself. But why in the hell am I not getting dates? Whenever I would text these girls, most of them would never respond!

I ended up driving myself crazy for the longest time. I was stepping up to girls confidently, and spitting decent game, so why in the hell were they rejecting me?

“It must be my looks!” I convinced myself.

I was 5’9, 130 lbs. Looked like your typical skinny Asian kid. Most girls would reject me right after my opener. Direct. Indirect. It really didn’t matter how I approached. I was always getting rejected, verbally (e.g., “thanks, but I have a boyfriend”) or nonverbally (girls walking faster to get away from me, lack of eye contact, closed-off body language).

I got extremely self-conscious about my looks: "my ears stick out (was bullied in high school about this), I’m too skinny, my nose looks crooked, I have a pimple…" etc. etc. In other words, I turned into a sissy with low self-esteem.

I tried lifting weights, but I couldn’t achieve proper form due to the muscle dysfunctions that I was experiencing (a glute imbalance stemming from a rotated pelvis, shoulder dyskinesis resulting from scapular winging).

I worked with various personal trainers, kinesiologists, and physiotherapists for years on end, but none of them could fix me.

Eventually, I found a really good musculoskeletal therapist who helped me with my scapular winging. I’m still working with him to this day, and my shoulders are almost fixed.

I also found a really good osteopath who discovered the true cause of my glute imbalance: a pelvis that is constantly shifted to the right. I’m doing his exercises now, and it’s been a lot of help. Hopefully it’s only a matter of time before I can start squatting again.

Anyways, I’m blabbering now. This thread is mostly about cold approach, and how solo introverted gamers are a dying breed.

How are we going to make it without developing a high-end social circle, along with a great online dating profile?

The answer I’m sensing, is that we’re not.

5 years ago, when I first got into game, I thought that I could do it all on my own.

"All I need to do is max out my looks and my game," I told myself.

"Then the bitches will come."

But now, it seems like that’s not enough.

You also need a powerful online presence. You need a high-end social circle.

For introverts like me, achieving such goals sounds like an insurmountable task compared to walking up to a girl on the street, or in the bar.

I feel like I’ve wasted the last 5 years of my life trying to get good at an aspect of game that is becoming less and less effective (mainly, cold approach pickup).

So the dreadful question remains: how the hell am I going to build a social circle and an online dating profile, especially when I’m an introvert, and prefer to spend my time alone.

Cause let’s be real here.

For us introverts, we prefer to be alone.

All my hobbies are solitary pursuits: reading, writing, lifting, meditating, learning new languages. How the hell are we going to make friends doing things that require no friends?

I’ve read through all the threads on how to make new friends, and yes, I could join a book club, I could join a writing group, and I could join a meditation class… but you know what?

In the end, I don’t even want friends. I rather be successful on my own first. I rather reap all the rewards of my hard work, before sharing it with others.

Because at the end of the day, I’m a virgin with low muscle mass. I don’t make a lot of money. And I don’t always dress my best.

I feel like making friends should be the least of my worries right now.

Plus, do you guys seriously think that you can create a high-end social circle from just going to a few meetups?

No! The best looking people make friends in the first year of college. And that’s that.

You think a hot sorority girl with 100 people constantly texting her needs to go to a meetup group to socialize with people?

You think a former frat bro with endless party connections craves more friends in his life?

Anyways, I need to stop blabbering now.

I already mentioned above how introverts can meet new people (by attending groups that are based on your hobbies).

But how do I start taking good pictures for online dating? Do I hire a professional photographer? Do I backpack across Europe going to cool spots and asking people to take photos of me? Do I stay in hostels hoping that I’ll meet girls that I can party and take pictures with?

Backpacking solo across Europe has always been a dream of mine, and now that I’ve successfully graduated from college with a useless arts degree, travelling should be what I’m doing.

Instead, im stuck here in this office, getting paid $15 an hour to write posts on rooshv.

And so the dreadful question remains: do us introverts just have to FORCE ourselves to do things that we genuinely hate? Such as socializing and taking selfies?

I think the answer in the end is quite simple:

Yes. Yes you do.

[Eddie Winslow]

(07-18-2018 06:22 PM)Alpha_Ambitionz Wrote:  

You think a hot sorority girl with 100 people constantly texting her needs to go to a meetup group to socialize with new people?

You think a former frat bro with endless party connections craves more people in his life?

This is made me laugh man. Not trying to be a dick, but do you think any of this shit matters for more than like 3 years after college?

Everyone keeps referring to a "high-end social circle" like there are massive amounts of successful, single, grown ass men partying 4-5 nights a week, spending every free moment together in a big gay bro pack, and stay up till 2am on Thursday night banging gaggles of sluts.

If you aren't a famous musician or a party promoter in a huge city, this just isn't reality.

I have a huge circle of friends for a 31 year old. Probably 9-10 guys I've known 5-10+ years who I'm really close with, and tons of second tier friends that invite me to events sometimes. Yet if you looked at my social media, or knew how often I went out alone, you'd think I was antisocial.

If having a "high-end social circle" is so damn important to you, quit your job you hate and start barbacking at the coolest bar you can find. Become tight with other industry people, go out 4-5 nights per week, network in the club, and your set. It's not a total mystery.

But if you'd rather be doing things like reading and writing, you are wasting your time.

At the end of the day, the action YOU take determines your satisfaction with life.

[Perspicacity]

^ Amazing post, AA. (Eddie's earlier post also.)

Eerily relatable -- I wonder if you've encapsulated (outstandingly) a phenomenon more general than one might think?

Guys in their early twenties have nothing going for them if they don't have a social circle, which for the vast majority would have to be from school or college.

They are too old to be in the true young crowd, but too young to rank in adult society:

- Too old to have the truly youthful boyish look going, hence excluded from the market of women that seeks that.
- Too young to look fully manly (dimorphic face, dimorphic shape/frame/stature, bodily thickness)
- Too young to have achieved anything that imparts the Zero Fucks Given, high self-esteem, self-confident, self-amused attitude of (some) older men
- Too young to have acquired resources and meaningful broader societal or professional status.
- Often crap logistics resulting from lack of resources -- unappealing pad, numerous roommates, or outright living with family
- Might not have reached maximum height? (I have a close male relative who IIRC grew an inch or two in mid/late twenties, and I think this is more common than people realise.)
- Still figuring out personal style (both in terms of physical looks and behaviour, and in terms of life outlook, demeanour, and personality)
- Still figuring out their niche in the SMP/RMP.

and on and on.

From college, guys are going straight to the bottom of the totem pole.

Look at this Google search.

Compare with the absence of results for adjacent searches for 22, 24. The suckiness of 23 is definitely A Thing.

Note that duality may hold (or perhaps even be the cause for 23 sucking so badly): the Independent article that comes up in that Google search claims, "Women are most attractive to men at about 23." (Personally disagree but plausible to me that this is true for other guys.)

Cracks me up (by which I mean, induces autistic screeching) when guys like Krauser and co. say that they're at a disadvantage as middle-aged men, as if it's an unalloyed disadvantage.

Sure, it may be a disadvantage in some ways.

But being able to drop in and out of employment (or just out of employment entirely) due to a safety net of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, in order to pursue game full-time, is a ... pretty big ... advantage.

Knowing that you've actually done shit in your life (professionally or otherwise, e.g. Krauser's claim to have been married to a '9'), so that when you're standing in front of a girl on the street, she really is a joke to you in comparison.

Having money (and leave from work or ability to eschew work) to spend touring SEA, EE, etc. to gain perspective and experience.

There's a shitton of advantages to being old that these guys have a vested interest in ignoring or conveniently 'overlooking'.

(Of course, as an early twenty-something, I have my own incentives to tear down their excuses and erect my own, and to conveniently overlook the advantages that I enjoy -- if any.)

(Post I wrote that touched upon this, and the themes of your post.)

Also: Shades of GLL's amazing series of posts: Plight of the Lonesome Bodybuilder.

[N°6]

I’ve found an app called Fobo. It’s location data puts you in touch with real life singles’ events in bars through private fb groups.

Anyone else found this? I haven’t been allowed in the group yet.

Quasi online apps such as meetup and Eventbrite might be the way forward but I suspect they’re cock fests.

[Alpha_Ambitionz]

(07-18-2018 07:43 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 06:22 PM)Alpha_Ambitionz Wrote:  

You think a hot sorority girl with 100 people constantly texting her needs to go to a meetup group to socialize with new people?

You think a former frat bro with endless party connections craves more people in his life?

This is made me laugh man. Not trying to be a dick, but do you think any of this shit matters for more than like 3 years after college?

Everyone keeps referring to a "high-end social circle" like there are massive amounts of successful, single, grown ass men partying 4-5 nights a week, spending every free moment together in a big gay bro pack, and stay up till 2am on Thursday night banging gaggles of sluts.

If you aren't a famous musician or a party promoter in a huge city, this just isn't reality.

I have a huge circle of friends for a 31 year old. Probably 9-10 guys I've known 5-10+ years who I'm really close with, and tons of second tier friends that invite me to events sometimes. Yet if you looked at my social media, or knew how often I went out alone, you'd think I was antisocial.

If having a "high-end social circle" is so damn important to you, quit your job you hate and start barbacking at the coolest bar you can find. Become tight with other industry people, go out 4-5 nights per week, network in the club, and your set. It's not a total mystery.

But if you'd rather be doing things like reading and writing, you are wasting your time.

At the end of the day, the action YOU take determines your satisfaction with life.

I don't really care for having a high-end social circle. I don't even care about having friends.

If I could just spend the rest of my life working on my business, working on my body, and working on my mind, while being able to bang hot bitches on the side, I would be happy.

The problem is that I'm not doing the last thing that was mentioned.

Is this because I don't have a solid social circle, or a killer online profile? From the recent rooshv threads, it seems like night and day game are dying.

Or maybe it's also because I don't look sexually desirable yet: I'm a skinny, baby-faced asian with a mediocre sense of style.

At the end of the day, all I really want is to keep working on my life, while being able to meet quality girls in the daytime who are willing to go on dates and have sex with me... girls who won't place value on my social media, or judge how many friends I have.

Is this too much to ask for?

[torridon747]

Then find another way to display value. The best bang for you buck in terms of instant DHV is a good social media profile, instagram mainly.

Having a Ferrari still works, dressing well and speaking eloquently does too. Preselection is still a thing. Social status does wonders. But for your average guy, a good Instagram gets your foot in the door in that "maybe" or even "no" girls head and it's a lot more attainable that a 250k sportscar and an armani suit with a rolex on your wrist.

I hate social media too, I think its a fucking disease. But there's not much point in doing things the hard way. I gave in and started an instagram recently. I'm still building it but the results are night and day. However stupid it is women act like I'm actually a real person after they see it. I think it's pathetic and stupid but this is the era we live in. It's the old mantra since we crawled out of the primordial soup, adapt or die. Either buck up and do it, find another DHV, or leave pussy on the table.

[RawGod]

The question is, what is the harder way? Getting good at social media when you hate it (and I do mean getting good, not just participating) or growing a sack and doing something like daygame or building an exceptional social circle?

[torridon747]

What's wrong with doing all that?

Look we all have to do shit from time to time we don't like, why not get laid in the process? It's not like you're compromising on your morals or cheating. Just taking a moment for a good picture a few times a week and posting it to a stupid website that gets you bitches.

Edit; that may be over simplifying it by quite a bit, there's more work and thought involved. Its still a powerful tool for the time invested though.

[Graft]

(07-19-2018 02:00 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

The question is, what is the harder way? Getting good at social media when you hate it (and I do mean getting good, not just participating) or growing a sack and doing something like daygame or building an exceptional social circle?

The hardest part is not getting good at social media, it's getting good at life.

Think about it: if you have looks, money, physique, social circle, cool travels, things you're doing every week, new girls that are interested in you constantly, all you need to do is take quality pictures and collect followers.

Buy a tripod for your solo activities, tell your homies you want to take some group shots for your new instagram, follow all your contacts/facebook friends. If you truly build an "exceptional" social circle, you'll be surprised how eager people will be to take pictures of themselves having fun.

If you're pushing back on social media: think about whether you are objecting to take a picture during your cool life, or if you just don't have a cool enough life to create content.

I've always hated social media, but in the past I really hated it because I had nothing to show off. Now I only hate the process of getting the better camera on the iPhone and taking 10+ pics to get the perfect shot.

As long as I got the goods, I'm willing to bite the bullet and take 10 pictures per event to get a good photo.