[droughtmeat]

A noteworthy observation is that German men and women are super relationship-oriented. From when they're 16 to when they're 30 they will bounce in and out of 3 to 5 year long relationships.

This kills a lot of the sexiness at the clubs. You will rarely see strangers making out at a club.

Young couples tend to move in together too. So at age 22 or 23 many live with their girlfriends.

Overall I don't think it's a cool place for anyone under 50.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(08-11-2018 06:43 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 02:01 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Listen up to your main man Kirdiesel here, since what he says is right on the money. Since moving to Hamburg about 6 weeks ago, I've been getting killed running daygame, even though I've over 2000 direct approaches under my belt, mostly garnered through gaming in east Germany. Although I had some luck in my first 10 approaches here, bagging a date with a half-Portuguese cutie who's still texting me, the native German girls have been extremely tough nuts to crack, even the ones 30 plus. Might have something to do with my age (I'm 44 and some girls say I look older still), with women being extremely reluctant here to be seen dating an older guy. Or it could be fact that I'm not tall and well-built (there are tons of tall, young, jacked German guys for the local talent to choose from), but whatever the reason, I'm having a much tougher time of it than I did in Leipzig in eastern Germany, where I was easily able to get a couple of reliable number closes for roughly every 10 approaches.

If you're thinking about coming to Germany, especially to northern Germany, solely for the women, you need your head examining. Germany is a country worth coming to for other reasons, but the women wouldn't be among them for me. Having said that, I've noticed that many of the older women in Hamburg do age quite well, so if GILF hunting is your bag, then northern Germany might not disappoint after all.

Dude, you need a fucking reality check.

• You are 44 years old
• Girls think you look even older
• You are not tall
• You are not well-built
• You are running daygame
• On girls much younger than you, I assume younger than 30 even
• The ones who are 30+ are stilll a tough nut for you to crack
• And you've chosen Hamburg of all places
  

Just what exactly do you expect to happen?
What made you think that this was a good idea?
Did you do any research?

There is a very strong subconscious taboo against large age gaps in German culture and society. A "proper" and "normal" couple in the German sense should have the same age. The man can also be a few years older (around 5 or less), that's still alright. Everything else is rather unusual and quickly verging on creepy territory.
Large age gaps are only tolerated if the man is either rich, famous or powerful (to which extent is directly proportional to his success).

Now even in that case, behind closed doors, the average German will still think you are scum. Because you refuse to accept your place in the natural order of things, and it's just not proper. You, troublemaker, are using your (surely undeserved) privilege to take what isn't yours to take. Not good. Not proper. Very unfair. Who do you think you are?

That's what the average German thinks if you are rich, famous or powerful and going after much younger women.
Are you rich, famous or powerful?
Most likely not.
So what makes you think that you deserve to go after much younger women?

Hamburg is also the poshest city in Germany. Young, attractive girls have tons of options there and are quite status conscious. It sounds like you don't have much going for you in that regard, and your results are accordingly.

You mentioned that Hamburg might be good for GILF hunting, and that's great because it means you're not totally autistic. You're picking up on cultural clues and the vibe.
Because, in Germany, it is exactly what a man with your stats is supposed to and expected to be going for. Single mums, divorced women, widows and leftover spinsters, age group 40+.

(08-11-2018 03:19 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I've already knocked out around 80 approaches around Hamburg since arriving about a month ago and the results have been worse than even in the UK. Whether it's the culture, the bad ratios, the male competition here (guys are jacked and tall and mostly doing well financially) - I'm not sure - it's hard as hell and I'm already very depressed at my lack of options. Sorry to piss on anybody's parade, just my two penneth worth as somebody who's actually got boots on the ground here.

I have absolutely no clue why you are in Germany.
Cut your losses and move on.
Go to Latin America, South East Asia, even Eastern Europe would be better.

Well, I already pulled a very cute 40-year old half-German, half-Portuguese shortly after I came here through daygame and I'm in the process of setting up a second date with her, so it's not completely hopeless. Daygame is, however, delivering an extremely low return on investment. My online experiences pretty much mirror my daygame experiences, as well: I've had one date with an early 30s career women who was, facially, a HB6 even though her body was slim, with long legs. Got on well with her, bounced to a couple of venues, with the date lasting over 2 hours, but she said later that there was "no chemistry". When I pressed her on it, she talked about the fact that she wanted a "taller, more muscular guy" even though she very much enjoyed my company, so there you have it.

So what made me think this would be a good idea in Hamburg: Well, daygame was working quite well for me in Leipzig, so I perhaps naively assumed this would carry over into Hamburg. I did, as it happens, do some research: I discovered that Hamburg has decent ratios in the northern, wealthier parts of the city, such as in Eppendorf, where there is a female surplus of 10%, with many of these being in the 30-40 category. Having said that, it seems that the other factors spoken about already (height, build, money, contact-shy local population and quite feminist women) has turned out to be too much of a headwind to make this work in anyway like the way it was working in east Germany. By the way, I came here as much for the work, as for the women, if that helps to make sense of my decision.

Do you have experience of daygaming in Hamburg, by the way?

[semibaron]

I just came back from a 4.5 months Latin America trip. Beforehand, I've been to Japan.

Now, being back in Germany since 3 weeks, all I can say that it's pussy hell. You can literally go in any direction and get better company.
Besides women, Germany is an awesome country btw. Maybe the best in the world.

[Naughty_Boy]

(08-11-2018 06:43 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

Dude, you need a fucking reality check.

• You are 44 years old
• Girls think you look even older
• You are not tall
• You are not well-built
• You are running daygame
• On girls much younger than you, I assume younger than 30 even
• The ones who are 30+ are stilll a tough nut for you to crack
• And you've chosen Hamburg of all places
  

There is a very strong subconscious taboo against large age gaps in German culture and society. A "proper" and "normal" couple in the German sense should have the same age. be better.

There is some truth to Belgrado but also Feldeinsamkeit

If you are above 30 and hit on 18-23 year olds you will really have a hard time and be labelled as a pedophile in Germany. The problem is that most german quality women above the age of 24 will be always jumping from one LTR to the next within their social circles. Getting something through cold approach is difficult, but imo building a solid social circle with attractive chicks too.

Hamburg has a huge self organized Pickup/RSD Community, therefore Direct Daygame is nothing special and has very low ROI. I would get 1 number out of 8 approaches, every third number shows up to a date, every third woman dated from daygame results in a lay (mediocre 6,5 - 7 range). Finding and Numberclosing stunners during Daygame is a major difficulty in Hamburg. If I approach a 7+ girl I hear very quickly the "I have a BF" after 2 sentences although I dont even go in completely direct (I guess they have been approached so often so this is their natural response)

But in general I have not cracked the code in Hamburg for girls above the 7+ category, neither Day- or Nightgame. At Night Game you at least see them more often compared to Daygame. Tinder and Online Game is a complete waste of time

Although Hamburg or Germany is not easy, there are at least a lot more acceptable looking woman than in the US on average (less fat/leftist hipster look/simply psycho). So at least there is a opportunity for trying to improve your game whereas in Seattle I would just chop my dick off due to the lack of acceptable woman just for a bang

But as many said, it is not a good country for Gaming at all if you dont have the looks or your niche (which I didn't find yet). Although many Germans are liberal it is often a culture of: Study, find your LTR, get a job, marry, buy a house, build a family

[HHkar]

So, basically 1/72.

[BaatumMania]

(08-11-2018 10:00 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(08-11-2018 03:19 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

the bad ratios, the male competition here (guys are jacked and tall and mostly doing well financially)

Anyone coming from an Anglo country (and this is only England mind you) moaning continually about the proliferation of jacked men in Germany should just give up on life already. Especially if they moved here voluntarily.





And doing well financially? It's freaking Hamburg. I didn't realise every Tom, Dick & Harry was entitled to pussy without the goods for it.

Sorry, but my search for the objective scoop on German girls evaporated the moment I came to this page.

Granted it's probably been 5 years since my last time in Germany but I don't remember jacked men.

I just remember German guys being genetic manmores compared to Southern Europeans. Like every guy is minimum 176 cm tall and has light features (their only genetic weakness seems to be needing eyesight correction). The same thing is true if you go to Poland and Croatia.

If you want to mog local men in Europe then just find the countries with shortest guys. I think the French men are among the shortest in Europe.

[Lino]

Charm is important as well, never under estimate it!

A tall jacked blond guy with no charm, unable to tease and who is cold will struggle as well in his home country.

Whereas an average height latin guy, not jacked but who dresses well and who has charm will bury all competition in both Germany and Scandinavia.

Basically don’t be defeatist, not all girls are into tall blond guys.

[Davoer]

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[Contagion]

(08-12-2018 03:31 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Having said that, it seems that the other factors spoken about already (height, build, money, contact-shy local population and quite feminist women) has turned out to be too much of a headwind to make this work in anyway like the way it was working in east Germany. By the way, I came here as much for the work, as for the women, if that helps to make sense of my decision.

Do you have experience of daygaming in Hamburg, by the way?

Exactly how tall are you, Feldeinsamkeit? If you're average height in the Anglosphere, you will be about average height in Germany as well. You mention height in every one of your posts and make it seem as if Germany is the land of giants or something. It's not.

All things being equal, sure, who wouldn't want to be the 6'4 dude towering over the crowd? At the same time, the average height for German men is less than 6'0, I believe it's 5'10.5 or 5'11. Which, even if you were 5'8 or taller, shouldn't really hold you back that much, if at all.

What nationality are you? I've found Germans are very receptive to Americans, use that to your advantage if you're American.

[Davoer]

Tell me what do you think is positive about Germany? And where and in which areas you made the notches?
I can't see rarely anything positive thing about Germany when it comes to girls.

[BaatumMania]

(08-29-2018 11:22 AM)Davoer Wrote:  

Tell me what do you think is positive about Germany? And where and in which areas you made the notches?
I can't see rarely anything positive thing about Germany when it comes to girls.

Most of the international PUA focus their attention on low cost of living countries.

So none of them are going to be pounding the pavement in Germany where (pre-Airbnb existing) would had cost $150/day unless roughing it in a hostel.

I'm pretty sure loads of dudes have gotten laid during Oktoberfest in Munich or just from hookups in Germany.


Thing is a lot of guys are just kind of lazy (including myself). You can work hard to score **some** chicks in Germany. Or you can go to Thailand / Philippines / Taiwan, Latin America or Africa where you can get 150 matches in 24 hours on Tinder and possibly bang 5 chicks on a single weekend...

[Buddydowrongright2]

Can confirm. I got a bang at Oktoberfest, one of the best. But I was living in Munich at the time and had good (albeit not great) logistics. If you are decent looking, work out, and have lederhosen, Oktoberfest is easy and there are plenty of single cute girls who are all absolutely smashed. I think the reason the festival was invented was partly to convince normally cold, robotic Germans to try enjoying this thing called mating.

It’s not all peaches and cream though. Munich is expensive as all hell during September and October - prices for accommodation are easily 200-300% what they normally are, and it is already the most expensive city in Germany. My advice if you want to go to Munich strictly for the Wiesn is to book your place about a year in advance.

[Ice]

(08-28-2018 09:28 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

If you are above 30 and hit on 18-23 year olds you will really have a hard time and be labelled as a pedophile in Germany.

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But as many said, it is not a good country for Gaming at all if you dont have the looks or your niche (which I didn't find yet). Although many Germans are liberal it is often a culture of: Study, find your LTR, get a job, marry, buy a house, build a family

I personally don't think that's true. I actually think people in Germany are pretty open-minded in terms of age gaps. At least there's definitely not more of a stigma than in the US or the UK, so at most it's the same as in those countries.

I have to say tho I primarily know Berlin, so things are a bit different here anyway.

But as always, speaking of age is quite pointless anyway, it depends on your look, your style, your body, your hair, your knowledge of fashion and pop-culture etc. Some older guy in an ill-fitting suit and a conservative boring haircut might say that it's impossible to meet young girls, but fact is young hot girls simply don't want to hang out with a person who looks like that.

I will say though that the observation about having one's niche is quite correct. In Germany more than in other countries social life is structured based on different niches. Which is reflected by the way you look. So it is quite important to think about what kind of people/girls you want to attract and present yourself accordingly. If people recognize that you "look like them" it will make it easier to meet people.

[Ice]

BTW, I'm currently in Berlin. I will be checking out some new night spots in the coming weeks, so if someone is in Berlin too & wants to join, just send me a message.

[kirdiesel]

Age gap is not a problem. Current plate is 10 years younger than me and my other chick just turned 21 and she thinks im 30. (Im 37) So 9 and 10 years apart on both chicks without a hitch. As long as you don't look and act like an old man you'll fit in.

It took me a LONG TIME to find my niche here and I think I got it. Girls with a hip hop and Kim K style possibly with a immigrant background and preferably between 18-23. They listen to heavy hip hop, go to those types of clubs and chill in shisha spots. Not the smartest girls in the world all the time but its where I do the best as a black guy. Its not the only place I do well but I think its the most efficient niche to game in. I have dated a couple of business proffessional preppy girls here (which my plate is) but those have a strong preference for white German men. In that market youll end up with girls in the 5 to 7 range max. American or not they generally arent interested.

I hear lots of guys get bangs at Oktoberfest and at Karneval but thats not real gaming in Germany. Those are the exception rather than the rule. Come here on a completely normal weekend and you'll see how the girls really behave.

I am planning to drop a fresh Germany sheet in the upcoming months. Still testing some other niches (alternative and hip hop groupie niche is still in progress).

[Lino]

(08-29-2018 04:06 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

It took me a LONG TIME to find my niche here and I think I got it. Girls with a hip hop and Kim K style possibly with a immigrant background and preferably between 18-23. They listen to heavy hip hop, go to those types of clubs and chill in shisha spots. Not the smartest girls in the world all the time but its where I do the best as a black guy.

Kirdiesel, you just described the archetype of the french hoodrat whore.

Not trying to be offensive here but in the whole Europe this type of girls are into black guys, not sure why it took you a long time to figure it.
If you are into that kind of girls they are unfortunately everywhere in France, the ones you find in shisha bars are probably the biggest whores. I can’t deal with them, their level of vulgarity and dumbness explodes the barometer and as you noticed it yourself they are usually into black dudes.
Maybe a good niche for ONS (but with a higher STD risk considering the trucks of dicks they received since they are 13) but IMO none of them is LTR material.

I know these chicks are more sexually liberated and fuck quickly if you fit in their ideal type, being black is a super booster with them and being american is the cherry on the cake.

[Naughty_Boy]

(08-29-2018 04:06 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Age gap is not a problem. Current plate is 10 years younger than me and my other chick just turned 21 and she thinks im 30. (Im 37)

That is the point, they think you are 30 which is often the latest acceptable age for many of them.
If you would be honest tell chicks you meet in the beginning your real age which may be above 30 you will have more rejections, no matter how you look or style.

Your niche may also tend to prefer older guys (turkish/arab immigrant girls usually are raised to expect the man to be older) but not the average German 18-22 old. If you don't believe me just tell the average 18-22 old German girl your real age

But usually older guys do not tend to go for them anyway

[kirdiesel]

(08-30-2018 04:10 AM)Lino Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 04:06 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

It took me a LONG TIME to find my niche here and I think I got it. Girls with a hip hop and Kim K style possibly with a immigrant background and preferably between 18-23. They listen to heavy hip hop, go to those types of clubs and chill in shisha spots. Not the smartest girls in the world all the time but its where I do the best as a black guy.

Kirdiesel, you just described the archetype of the french hoodrat whore.

Not trying to be offensive here but in the whole Europe this type of girls are into black guys, not sure why it took you a long time to figure it.
If you are into that kind of girls they are unfortunately everywhere in France, the ones you find in shisha bars are probably the biggest whores. I can’t deal with them, their level of vulgarity and dumbness explodes the barometer and as you noticed it yourself they are usually into black dudes.
Maybe a good niche for ONS (but with a higher STD risk considering the trucks of dicks they received since they are 13) but IMO none of them is LTR material.

I know these chicks are more sexually liberated and fuck quickly if you fit in their ideal type, being black is a super booster with them and being american is the cherry on the cake.

It took a long time for me to figure this out because I had an extreme focus on cracking white collar college educated German girls. This changed at some point because after taking numerous Ls and walking home 4 or 5 am in the morning past one of the clubs that "the shisha girls" visit I saw a black guy coming out of there with a serious dime piece on his arm. The type that is ridiculously hard to pull if she was one of those white collar bitches. Once I saw this I starting paying more and more attention to what kinds of girls those guys were pulling and it changed my perspective.

You are correct, some of these girls are hoodrats or maybe the majority of them are (I don't know) But what I do know is some of these girls are just average college girls that just like the atmosphere and are a fan of that Kim K and hip hop bullshit. In fact, I found out one of the 19 year old 8s I had an ONS with here goes there pretty often. It blew my mind.

In addition to this I have recognized the trend on Tinder as well. The other day I came across a Polish girl... 23 Years old, Music anthem "Fukk Sleep" By ASAP Rocky, what looks like a little bit of lip filler and that "style". Sure enough, I hit the super like button to see what would happen and of course she liked me back.

I think going forth its smarter to run through these chicks, pick up bangs in the meantime and cherry pick the best for an LTR whenever I come across one. I genuinely don't believe all of them are hoodrats but just wannabes (average college chicks) and those are the ones ill be shooting for. At least whenever I do decide to run nightgame that is.

To wrap this post up. Its just not worth it as a black man to go after these white collar/upper class/preppy German chicks because at the end of the day you'll hit a glass ceiling on the 7th floor at best.

Without some serious clout its going to be hard to break through that.

[Kopernikus]

You can check out TINDER in frankfurt. Its a fucking disaster. 70% o the girls are fat or ugly. No joke

[Beirut]

Kirkdiesel those girls are hot and they have badass bodies. Enjoy. I wish I had a club baddies niche like that

[2 Cool 4 U]

(08-24-2011 07:20 PM)Mace Wrote:  

Why does Germany get overlooked?

Germany, along with Western Europe are too feminist/SJW.

They have their own version of Hillary Clinton in charge of the country.

[ActaNonVerba]

(09-02-2018 09:24 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:20 PM)Mace Wrote:  

Why does Germany get overlooked?

Germany, along with Western Europe are too feminist/SJW.

They have their own version of Hillary Clinton in charge of the country.

Not for long. It's over for Frau Merkel.

[asdfk]

I can't believe this thread is 10 pages long.

Western Europe, especially Germany, are worse than the US for pickup for almost everyone.

Your best bet is getting into social circles, dressing well and adopting all "correct" opinions in public. If you have no opinion on anything and can convey that with some charm, go to Germany.

[Cation]

Opinions will not get you pussy anywhere in the world. So why would Germany be any different?

[Crash_Bandicoot]

What are everyone's thoughts on foreigners gaming in Germany?

I feel like almost all German are into travel and would be curious and excited to sleep with foreign men visiting their country because of the level of excitement.

I'm American (but brown skin - Indian Descent) and have had huge success with German women visiting my city - NYC.