[not_dead_yet]

(07-10-2015 05:23 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  

As far as equalizers, I've been looking to EDC an expandable baton or a "yawara stick". Yet another good reason to lift as far as I'm concerned. Learning two or three basic strikes, and then drilling them over and over on a punching bag would not be a bad idea. I want to take boxing, but don't have the resources at the moment.

This one's called a kubotan, but it's the same idea.

I've contemplated those as self-defense items, but I live in a very unfriendly jurisdiction and getting stopped with that sort of thing would be a problem.

Two words for you: "weaponized umbrella." Should be easy enough to Google. I'd post a link but I don't want to invoke the wrath of the banhammer.

[Phoenix]

(07-10-2015 12:31 AM)trian1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 12:16 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

We should all just hope the attacker gets the chair, and that everyday folk start carrying weapons from now on. No need to join in on the SJWs race-baiting.

No death penalty in DC.

[Avon Barksdale]

(07-10-2015 01:42 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Amazing that it only took one page of posts for gays, betas, liberals, blacks, 9/11, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Dylan Roof to all be tied to this one guy getting stabbed.

Someone even managed to blame Obamacare on the second page.

[PrimeTime32]

The crazy thing is I know someone who works at the DC jail and we were talking about this a couple days ago. Apparently the guy had been out of jail less than 24 hours for a robbery charge. I guess he just really wanted to go back.

[kbell]

If there was no Obamacare, you previous cheaper insurance rep would appear armed with a Gatling gun and body armor. However with the new regulations, this is illegal and is due to Obamacare only.

[germany]

If the black guy would have been stabbing a pretty girl, there would be much more people dead in that train: few white knights as well.

It looks like the standard beta male will always white knight for a girl, but never for another man...

[Samseau]

(07-09-2015 11:14 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:10 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business, I don't care if he was an Obama-loving anti-gun nut. That has nothing to do with anything.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took. But that was only by sheer chance, it could have easily been someone who otherwise would have been able and willing to defend himself, were it not for the efforts of faglets like Sutherland to deprive him of that ability. Fuck 'im.

Wow, so because someone simply disagrees with your worldview you feel he should be stabbed to death?

Great way of resolving conflict, sir.

3 mistakes:

1. This isn't a 'worldview'. Politics have consequences. If you ban guns and then find yourself unable to defend yourself against a stronger man there is no one to blame but yourself.

2. Better this shitlib got stabbed than an innocent man who wanted to uphold the constitutional right to bear arms.

3. This is a great way of resolving conflict. This will strike fear into other shitlibs and some will rethink their politics now. Tragically, however, most will not.

[TheWastelander]

(07-09-2015 11:31 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Your use of "wow", sarcastic use of "sir", and misrepresenting Fast Eddie make me wonder if you're from Jezebel.

At what point did he say that he felt someone who disagrees with him should be stabbed to death? He's simply saying he doesn't give a fuck that he was stabbed to death.

Did you read the thread and his response? The context is quite clear.:

TigerDingo: I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business...

FastEddie:...I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took...Fuck 'im

Pretty clear to me that Fast Eddie is saying, "Good-glad he died."

And what exactly are the point you are trying to make by slinging "jezebel" into the mix? Do you think if you accuse me of being a jezebel spy - a completley unfounded and untruthful lie - that you think people are going to buddy up with you and gang up on me? We're talking about something as serious as being senselessly murdered in a metropolitan city and you're ad hominem argument is "You sound like you're from jezebel...you're an idiot!" GTFO with that shit.

Wow, just wow. I can't believe that all went over your head, good sir.

See how grating and passive aggressive that is?

The point I'm trying to make is that you should write and argue like a man and not attack a strawman and write like a feminist SJW typist.

And I don't need anyone to "gang up" on you.

[H1N1]

(07-10-2015 09:40 AM)germany Wrote:  

If the black guy would have been stabbing a pretty girl, there would be much more people dead in that train: few white knights as well.

It looks like the standard beta male will always white knight for a girl, but never for another man...

Pretty girls have a social and civilizational value, and are not expected to be able to defend themselves against predatory male attackers. By remaining slim and attractive, they are fulfilling their societal role, entitling them to protection from men, who in turn would be fulfilling their civilizational role.

Fat weak men who turn against their own tribe are not fulfilling their ancient mandate, and are not entitled to expect other men to come to their rescue when they have abdicated all personal responsibility.


There IS a difference, and the difference is significant. All this talk of 'white knighting' is ludicrous and just sounds like you've swallowed red pill soundbites without actually stopping to think for yourself. Honourable men defend the weak and infirm - those who cannot help themselves, and men who show courage/resourcefulness/commitment to a shared ideal are also entitled in an honourable man's mind to his help and protection. Men who have made no effort to actually be men, beyond walking around with a dick, have not earned that reciprocal honour, and must reap the consequences of what they've sown.

[polar]

While I don't know all the details of the victim's background, it seems like he was raised into his beliefs from a young age.

So it doesn't look like he had ever seen the inside of a gym.
Sure, he graduated from an extremely liberal school where feminism was alive and well, and a transvestite was elected as student body president.
Yes, he majored in a save-the-world, feel-good degree and interned with a liberal senator.

At the same time, he was a highly motivated, bright guy who had just started working at a lobbying firm - a tough field to break into requiring brains and networking skills.

He may not have shared our forum's conservative values or accepted agency for his personal well-being and protection, but this was a consequence of his environment, not a lack of personal motivation.

RIP.

[Coastal]

As someone who lives in the DC area and takes the metro to work daily, the incident really hit close to home. I sat and thought about what I'd do if I came across something like that, but I realized that I don't have a plan of action for that. It's easy to point fingers and say, "someone should have done something", but you really don't know how you'd respond unless you were actually there.

Here's the thing, unless you're already trained in the art of disarming violent criminals that carry knives, how the heck would you know what to do in that situation? The best option would be to contact the proper authorities and/or go for help. Trying to take the dude one-on-one is suicide.

I do think that a few guys could have banded together and subdued him, but this imaginary superhero scenario that folks are talking about just isn't feasible in most cases. Armchair heroism at its worst.

[Shrodax]

I carry a handgun with me nearly everywhere I legally can (and maybe then some). I told myself when I started carrying that the gun is only for the protection of myself and any family or friends that are accompanying me. I have no responsibility to protect random strangers. And I have no illusions that other strangers have any obligation to protect me if the roles were reversed.

If you really value your own personal safety, it's your responsibility to carry a weapon and know how to use it to defend yourself. And if you can't or won't defend yourself, then that's when you should definitely give up the cellphone instead of risking your life for it.

If I was on the train, in the moment, I may have decided to intervene and shoot the knife-wielder. But more than likely, because I value my own life far more than those of strangers, I would first and foremost be looking for my own way to escape. I'd have my hand on my gun, but it'd only be coming out if there was a direct threat to my own life or any of my companions.

It's not so much the act or physical risk of injury that would stop me, though. I'm fairly confident in having the advantage of a gun over a knife. And it really wouldn't bother me to shoot some thug who's stabbing a guy. That calculus would change, of course, if I only also had a knife or was unarmed or if the thug also had a gun, but I'm just considering this specific situation. I'd be more likely to draw and intervene if I knew the law and public would be 100% on my side, but unfortunately that's not the society we live in.

First, since carrying a handgun without a license in DC is a crime, if I was carrying, I'd be opening myself up to Bernie Goetz-style criminal charges for just having the gun. Plus, I don't know if there would be any extra charges specifically for carrying on the metro. I have no idea how an overzealous prosecutor might react with me. I'm not risking jail time defending a stranger. Now if I was on a train in Texas, Florida, or any other state that recognizes one of my handgun licenses, the situation would be a lot different and I'd be much more likely to intervene. Right here showcases the irony of someone like Kevin Sutherland supporting stricter gun control policies.

Second, the media would probably not be on my side. I can see the headline now: "White Cop-Wannabe Guns Down Black Teenager", while the media circulates an unflattering photo of me and a baby picture of the knife-wielding thug. Then they'd bring out the thug's family with cries of "he dindu nuthin, he was a good boy getting his life back together." I have no desire to be under such media scrutiny.

Third, I am not a cop and thus don't have the legal protections afforded to the police. If a cop intervened and shot the knife-wielding thug, the state would protect him from any liability issues if the thug's family tried suing. But I have no such protections, and I would have to go out of pocket for my own legal defense in any criminal or civil proceedings.

For those reasons, I can't blame any of the passengers for not wanting to intervene, nor do I think of any of them as "beta". They're simply responding to the incentives and disincentives of the times we live in.

(07-09-2015 04:43 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

As for how I would handle it, let's just say that while certain lethal weapons are banned in those cities that equally lethal substitutes can be constructed in a manner of seconds from items that are perfectly innocuous to carry. I typically do carry those items on me when I'm in areas that ban guns like government buildings, airports, and bars.

Would you mind providing some examples or links to such improvised weapons? I'm quite curious about how to still be armed when I have to pass through security checkpoints.

[kaotic]

Funny you mention improvised weapons, go to any punk, hardcore, Oi! festival and you'll see a bunch of pens, toothbrushes, weaponized.

The reason they're on the ground is because security is doing a good pat down.

Always have a SIT-REP and SIT-Awareness for anywhere you go, scope the people out, exits, vibe, etc. You can parlay this into gaming venues also.

It might sound paranoid, but it can save your life.

[Renzy]

Remember Bernhard Goetz? It was back in the 80s but some thugs tried to rob him on the NYC subway. But unlike the victim in this story, Goetz was armed:

Quote:

four punks threatened and attempted to rob their victim, but enclosed within that graffiti encrusted rail car the "hare turned around and bit the hound" he fired his Smith and Wesson 5 shot 38-caliber revolver into his would-be muggers. The bumper stickers were everywhere in NYC - "Ride with Bernie -- he Goetz 'em"! The crime rate in the dangerous subways plunged dramatically -- so much so the authorities even held back the numbers -- the truth hurt too much.

When asked about broad public support of Geotz's actions, Harvard Professor of Government James Q. Wilson had this to say:

Quote:

"It may simply indicate that there are no more liberals on the crime and law-and-order issue in New York, because they've all been mugged."

The pity party for criminals ends once people become victims themselves.

EDIT: Looks like Shrodax already brought up Goetz..

[porscheguy]

Does anyone else find it ironic that an anti-gun crusader met his end by getting stabbed to death? Isn't that one of the arguments the pro gun crowd having been making for years? You can eliminate the guns, and the criminals will simply find another weapon to carry out their misdeeds.

FWIW, unless you've got a weapon of your own going against someone wielding a knife is an extremely risky endeavor. And even then, you better choose a weapon other than a knife.

[H1N1]

(07-10-2015 12:37 PM)Shrodax Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:43 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

As for how I would handle it, let's just say that while certain lethal weapons are banned in those cities that equally lethal substitutes can be constructed in a manner of seconds from items that are perfectly innocuous to carry. I typically do carry those items on me when I'm in areas that ban guns like government buildings, airports, and bars.

Would you mind providing some examples or links to such improvised weapons? I'm quite curious about how to still be armed when I have to pass through security checkpoints.

Not Easy_C, obviously, but it is not necessarily prudent to post instructions on how to kill effectively on an open forum, particularly given the added attention this place may be getting after the media exposure of Roosh's world tour. My original post in this thread listed the various points on the human body where it would be 'straightforward' to kill or incapacitate using a ball point pen or a small blunt object. I edited it because that kind of information could probably bring unwarrented heat. Suffice to say that if you know what you are doing, AND HAVE A DEGREE OF SURPRISE, a ball point can make the difference.

An example of the sort of thing that could be extremely effective in the right hands is something like https://www.dragonsupplies.co.uk/catalog...Amev8P8HAQ

There may well be better ones, but you get the point. Even a solid, steel bodied, ball point would do the trick in the right areas.

[Fast Eddie]

I for one would not want to go against a knife with a ballpoint pen or other improvised pseudo-weapon.

Think of how a regular fight, no weapons, goes down. During such a fight of a typical duration, there are 20-50 incidents of hands making contact with the opponent's body. It's extremely easy to merely touch your opponent. However, no damage is done unless you get a proper, clean hit in there, a hit that recruits your legs, back, and arms to deliver sufficient force to the enemy's body to cause damage. Only a very small percentage of those hand-to-body contacts constitute actual hits; the rest is just jostling for position to deliver such a hit.

In a knife fight, every time the knife hand makes contact with the opponent, real damage is being done, even if it's "all wrist." Some people are trained enough to slip punches most of the time, but you can't avoid being touched. Even if you have a ballpoint pen, you still have to deliver a clean, powerful hit to your knife-wielding adversary in a vulnerable spot to cause sufficient damage, whereas all he has to do is "touch" you with the knife to put your life at risk. So I can imagine using a ballpoint pen if I have the element of surprise against someone armed with a knife and I can deliver the first blow, but not if I'm actually squaring off against him face to face.

[Sonsowey]

(07-10-2015 02:27 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 12:37 PM)Shrodax Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:43 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

As for how I would handle it, let's just say that while certain lethal weapons are banned in those cities that equally lethal substitutes can be constructed in a manner of seconds from items that are perfectly innocuous to carry. I typically do carry those items on me when I'm in areas that ban guns like government buildings, airports, and bars.

Would you mind providing some examples or links to such improvised weapons? I'm quite curious about how to still be armed when I have to pass through security checkpoints.

Not Easy_C, obviously, but it is not necessarily prudent to post instructions on how to kill effectively on an open forum, particularly given the added attention this place may be getting after the media exposure of Roosh's world tour. My original post in this thread listed the various points on the human body where it would be 'straightforward' to kill or incapacitate using a ball point pen or a small blunt object. I edited it because that kind of information could probably bring unwarrented heat. Suffice to say that if you know what you are doing, AND HAVE A DEGREE OF SURPRISE, a ball point can make the difference.

An example of the sort of thing that could be extremely effective in the right hands is something like https://www.dragonsupplies.co.uk/catalog...Amev8P8HAQ

There may well be better ones, but you get the point. Even a solid, steel bodied, ball point would do the trick in the right areas.

Shit like this is why you should NEVER get into a fight if you can avoid it.

I'm always shocked when people want to fight this or that guy for some dumb reason. You literally have no idea who out there is the guy who is carrying a "tactical alloy ballpoint pen" he bought expressly for the purpose of stabbing someone in the neck if they messed with him. Not to mention regular old knives and guns.

[speakeasy]

(07-10-2015 01:42 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Amazing that it only took one page of posts for gays, betas, liberals, blacks, 9/11, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Dylan Roof to all be tied to this one guy getting stabbed.

Someone even managed to blame Obamacare on the second page.

Lol. I guess the only one missing from the list is Hitler!

[H1N1]

(07-10-2015 02:32 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

I for one would not want to go against a knife with a ballpoint pen or other improvised pseudo-weapon.

Think of how a regular fight, no weapons, goes down. During such a fight of a typical duration, there are 20-50 incidents of hands making contact with the opponent's body. It's extremely easy to merely touch your opponent. However, no damage is done unless you get a proper, clean hit in there, a hit that recruits your legs, back, and arms to deliver sufficient force to the enemy's body to cause damage. Only a very small percentage of those hand-to-body contacts constitute actual hits; the rest is just jostling for position to deliver such a hit.

In a knife fight, every time the knife hand makes contact with the opponent, real damage is being done, even if it's "all wrist." Some people are trained enough to slip punches most of the time, but you can't avoid being touched. Even if you have a ballpoint pen, you still have to deliver a clean, powerful hit to your knife-wielding adversary in a vulnerable spot to cause sufficient damage, whereas all he has to do is "touch" you with the knife to put your life at risk. So I can imagine using a ballpoint pen if I have the element of surprise against someone armed with a knife and I can deliver the first blow, but not if I'm actually squaring off against him face to face.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that you should 'want' to go against a guy with a knife full stop. I think what we are suggesting is that if you know what you're doing because you have trained and prepared for it, you can be effective if you have the element of surprise and can strike first. Failing that, some sort of weapon is better than no weapon.

The reality is, since you brought up 'regular fights' (if indeed such a thing does exist - I've seen too much irregular shit done when the adrenalin drops to know if I've ever seen or been part of a regular fight) that the knife is the assassin/murderers weapon - it's an up close and personal weapon that anyone vaguely proficient in its use will keep concealed to the last minute. If you are the primary target of an experienced knife user, you are most likely going to die if he has the drop on you. Any notion of facing off with him is fantasy. If he does make a mistake in the execution - meaning you're stabbed but not dead, your best hope is that you can deploy a biro or some-such to an effective area of the target which buys you enough time to escape or launch a second strike.

[H1N1]

(07-10-2015 02:32 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 02:27 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 12:37 PM)Shrodax Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:43 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

As for how I would handle it, let's just say that while certain lethal weapons are banned in those cities that equally lethal substitutes can be constructed in a manner of seconds from items that are perfectly innocuous to carry. I typically do carry those items on me when I'm in areas that ban guns like government buildings, airports, and bars.

Would you mind providing some examples or links to such improvised weapons? I'm quite curious about how to still be armed when I have to pass through security checkpoints.

Not Easy_C, obviously, but it is not necessarily prudent to post instructions on how to kill effectively on an open forum, particularly given the added attention this place may be getting after the media exposure of Roosh's world tour. My original post in this thread listed the various points on the human body where it would be 'straightforward' to kill or incapacitate using a ball point pen or a small blunt object. I edited it because that kind of information could probably bring unwarrented heat. Suffice to say that if you know what you are doing, AND HAVE A DEGREE OF SURPRISE, a ball point can make the difference.

An example of the sort of thing that could be extremely effective in the right hands is something like https://www.dragonsupplies.co.uk/catalog...Amev8P8HAQ

There may well be better ones, but you get the point. Even a solid, steel bodied, ball point would do the trick in the right areas.

Shit like this is why you should NEVER get into a fight if you can avoid it.

I'm always shocked when people want to fight this or that guy for some dumb reason. You literally have no idea who out there is the guy who is carrying a "tactical alloy ballpoint pen" he bought expressly for the purpose of stabbing someone in the neck if they messed with him. Not to mention regular old knives and guns.

This is exactly right. Never judge someone on their appearance, and if you have the opportunity to walk away, always take it. Not all tough guys look tough. There are plenty of highly skilled fighters and soldiers with baby faces.

[Seamus]

Damn, this is a sad/disgusting/infuriating story. Nobody deserves to die like that, and I have no idea how him posting on FB about the (very real, very obvious) racism underpinning the Charleston incident has anything to with it. I feel for this guy's family.

That said, I'm not sure how I would've responded either. I'm a big aggressive guy, but when you're unarmed and facing a psycho with a knife what can you really do by yourself? After reading this story I spent a solid 20 minutes researching NYC's knife carrying laws, and came to the conclusion that anything beyond a pen knife is too legally risky to carry anyway.

Just sad stuff. It's a shame there's no death penalty in DC.

[speakeasy]

Guns wouldn't have been necessary to stop this guy. All that it would've taken was this:



A small canister of pepper spray you could carry on a key chain. Blast it in his eyes and he'd have been blinded long enough for everyone in the train to jump on him. I actually bought one of these for a 2 month trip to South America. I never had to use it but if I was walking through the streets of Rio late at night, I always had it in my hand with the safety button unlocked. If some favela kids ran up on me with a knife, I'd have left his face dripping with the shit and got the hell out of there. I tested it before I left and it shoots like 20 feet. Amazing for such a small can. If more people carried these, something like this stabbing wouldn't have happened.

[samsamsam]

Why are we talking about why men didn't stop the punk, where were the women? I imagine they have pepper spray.

Oh yea I forgot, that feminism girl power stuff is only when it is convenient for them.

For the guys talking about using a gun (for the sake of this conversation ignore that it is illegal to carry in DC, would you have just walked up and shot at point blank? Only way to ensure you don't hit someone else, right? Being serious, set aside all the right or wrong debate stuff, I am just curious how ideally it should have been handled.

Thanks.

[TheWastelander]

(07-10-2015 02:53 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Guns wouldn't have been necessary to stop this guy. All that it would've taken was this:



A small canister of pepper spray you could carry on a key chain. Blast it in his eyes and he'd have been blinded long enough for everyone in the train to jump on him. I actually bought one of these for a 2 month trip to South America. I never had to use it but if I was walking through the streets of Rio late at night, I always had it in my hand with the safety button unlocked. If some favela kids ran up on me with a knife, I'd have left his face dripping with the shit and got the hell out of there. I tested it before I left and it shoots like 20 feet. Amazing for such a small can. If more people carried these, something like this stabbing wouldn't have happened.

Was that legal to do and how'd you get it past security?