[Fast Eddie]

(07-09-2015 10:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business, I don't care if he was an Obama-loving anti-gun nut. That has nothing to do with anything.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took. But that was only by sheer chance, it could have easily been someone who otherwise would have been able and willing to defend himself, were it not for the efforts of s like Sutherland to deprive him of that ability. Fuck 'im.

[monster]

(07-09-2015 11:10 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business, I don't care if he was an Obama-loving anti-gun nut. That has nothing to do with anything.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took. But that was only by sheer chance, it could have easily been someone who otherwise would have been able and willing to defend himself, were it not for the efforts of faglets like Sutherland to deprive him of that ability. Fuck 'im.

Wow, so because someone simply disagrees with your worldview you feel he should be stabbed to death?

Great way of resolving conflict, sir.

[speakeasy]

(07-09-2015 09:20 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Clear this up for me. Do you consider Youtube commenters' nonsensical bullshit representative of the average American's attitude or beliefs?

I think it gives insight into to what people think when they can speak anonymously. How representative that is of the "average" is unknown, but given the massive user base and pervasiveness of the racist comments I have to think it represents a significant portion of the population.

(07-09-2015 09:26 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

Blacks are just as racist, if not more so, then whites. Heck, I just saw a tape of 40 blacks beating and knocking a white dude unconscious in Cincinnati, but hey, that probably wasnt race related or anything.

You guys can post all the videos you want about blacks beating up whites and then claim it's some anti-white crime wave. But I can go on worldstar and see blacks(ghetto blacks I should say) doing the same to each other. Which they do far, far more to each other than to whites, and statistics bear that out.

(07-09-2015 09:59 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

And the Knockout Game was just a figment of white imagination.

The knockout game was a media created myth. There are some people out there that assault victims for no reason in the street. When I was a kid, it was called walking into the wrong neighborhood and getting your ass beat. It happens to black people as well, and probably much more so. So saying it is anti-white is a lie. The reason I say it's a myth is because there is no actual increase in violent assaults that can be numerically substantiated. Some of the footage used was years old. Some of it wasn't even shot in the USA. It was strung together to make it look as though there was some movement sweeping the country like wildfire. You have to make a distinction between things happening more and things being reported more once it becomes public hysteria. Perfect example is all the unarmed police shootings of black people. This has been happening forever. But all of a sudden the news is reporting on them back to back until it whips the public into a frenzy and then leading to the whole black lives matters movement. But numerically, there hasn't been any major increase in police brutality, it's just that media started talking about it obsessively. Now notice that the police brutality stuff has simmered down the media and you aren't hearing about it that much. Does that mean there haven't been unarmed blacks shot this week? I'm sure there have been, but the media got bored with the story and moved onto something else for now.

[Fast Eddie]

(07-09-2015 11:14 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:10 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business, I don't care if he was an Obama-loving anti-gun nut. That has nothing to do with anything.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took. But that was only by sheer chance, it could have easily been someone who otherwise would have been able and willing to defend himself, were it not for the efforts of faglets like Sutherland to deprive him of that ability. Fuck 'im.

Wow, so because someone simply disagrees with your worldview you feel he should be stabbed to death?

Great way of resolving conflict, sir.

I'm not saying it's a good thing he was stabbed to death. I am saying that if anyone was going to be stabbed to death, it's a good thing it happened to be this guy.

[TheWastelander]

(07-09-2015 11:14 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:10 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business, I don't care if he was an Obama-loving anti-gun nut. That has nothing to do with anything.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took. But that was only by sheer chance, it could have easily been someone who otherwise would have been able and willing to defend himself, were it not for the efforts of faglets like Sutherland to deprive him of that ability. Fuck 'im.

Wow, so because someone simply disagrees with your worldview you feel he should be stabbed to death?

Great way of resolving conflict, sir.

Your use of "wow", sarcastic use of "sir", and misrepresenting Fast Eddie make me wonder if you're from Jezebel.

At what point did he say that he felt someone who disagrees with him should be stabbed to death? He's simply saying he doesn't give a fuck that he was stabbed to death.

[Fast Eddie]

(07-09-2015 11:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:14 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:10 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business, I don't care if he was an Obama-loving anti-gun nut. That has nothing to do with anything.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took. But that was only by sheer chance, it could have easily been someone who otherwise would have been able and willing to defend himself, were it not for the efforts of faglets like Sutherland to deprive him of that ability. Fuck 'im.

Wow, so because someone simply disagrees with your worldview you feel he should be stabbed to death?

Great way of resolving conflict, sir.

Your use of "wow", sarcastic use of "sir", and misrepresenting Fast Eddie make me wonder if you're from Jezebel.

At what point did he say that he felt someone who disagrees with him should be stabbed to death? He's simply saying he doesn't give a fuck that he was stabbed to death.

I'm not even saying I don't give a shit he died, sure, I'll admit it sucks when someone gets brutally murdered. I was simply arguing against the idea that his politics doesn't matter in how his death should be viewed. I mean, if you worship fire and outlaw fire-trucks in your town, people are gonna look at the situation a lot different when your house burns down than if you hadn't supported those things. Hoisted on your own petard and all that.

[monster]

(07-09-2015 11:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Your use of "wow", sarcastic use of "sir", and misrepresenting Fast Eddie make me wonder if you're from Jezebel.

At what point did he say that he felt someone who disagrees with him should be stabbed to death? He's simply saying he doesn't give a fuck that he was stabbed to death.

Did you read the thread and his response? The context is quite clear.:

TigerDingo: I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business...

FastEddie:...I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took...Fuck 'im

Pretty clear to me that Fast Eddie is saying, "Good-glad he died."

And what exactly are the point you are trying to make by slinging "jezebel" into the mix? Do you think if you accuse me of being a jezebel spy - a completley unfounded and untruthful lie - that you think people are going to buddy up with you and gang up on me? We're talking about something as serious as being senselessly murdered in a metropolitan city and you're ad hominem argument is "You sound like you're from jezebel...you're an idiot!" GTFO with that shit.

[monster]

(07-09-2015 11:29 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:14 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:10 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business, I don't care if he was an Obama-loving anti-gun nut. That has nothing to do with anything.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took. But that was only by sheer chance, it could have easily been someone who otherwise would have been able and willing to defend himself, were it not for the efforts of faglets like Sutherland to deprive him of that ability. Fuck 'im.

Wow, so because someone simply disagrees with your worldview you feel he should be stabbed to death?

Great way of resolving conflict, sir.

Your use of "wow", sarcastic use of "sir", and misrepresenting Fast Eddie make me wonder if you're from Jezebel.

At what point did he say that he felt someone who disagrees with him should be stabbed to death? He's simply saying he doesn't give a fuck that he was stabbed to death.

I'm not even saying I don't give a shit he died, sure, I'll admit it sucks when someone gets brutally murdered. I was simply arguing against the idea that his politics doesn't matter in how his death should be viewed. I mean, if you worship fire and outlaw fire-trucks in your town, people are gonna look at the situation a lot different when your house burns down than if you hadn't supported those things. Hoisted on your own petard and all that.

Thats not what you said at all. You said "this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took...Fuck 'im"

[Fast Eddie]

@Monster

Dude, how about you take a proverbial chill pill and let people read my posts and decide for themselves what I was saying. Nobody here needs you to interpret my writings like its high school english class. We're not retards here.

[speakeasy]

(07-09-2015 11:14 PM)monster Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:10 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I'm kind of surprised to see these comments on here blaming the victim. Dude was just sitting there minding his own damn business, I don't care if he was an Obama-loving anti-gun nut. That has nothing to do with anything.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The thing is, this little libtard wanted to throw all of us to the wolves. Instead, his own life got took. But that was only by sheer chance, it could have easily been someone who otherwise would have been able and willing to defend himself, were it not for the efforts of faglets like Sutherland to deprive him of that ability. Fuck 'im.

Wow, so because someone simply disagrees with your worldview you feel he should be stabbed to death?

Great way of resolving conflict, sir.

According to the logic of some, if you're white and you have the audacity to say racism exists, you deserve to be killed by a black criminal. Because it couldn't possibly be that black non-criminals have ever been effected by racism. Opposing racism means you're on the side of gang members.

[kaotic]

(07-09-2015 07:20 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

In regards to that "resting asshole face".

If you guys are REALLY interested in observing some body language and to see how you can be threatening just from posture and mannerisms alone, do the following

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU FOLLOW MY ADVICE TO THE LETTER.

Go to a local dive bar where Outlaw Biker types hang out. Despite what you've been told they're generally friendly, but they are also very cliquish and won't react well to any attitude on your part.


Go in, grab a beer. Then shut the fuck up, sit the fuck down, and observe. Sip a beer, watch the TV, and quietly absorb the atmosphere. Do not try to approach anyone. If they approach you just be friendly and honest, and say that you were in the neighborhood and decided to stop in and grab a beer on your way home. Don't insult them, don't ask any probing questions or ANY questions about their club (normal conversational questions like asking them about their military service if they mention being a vet are fine), and be chill. Don't stare at anyone but stay alert.


I guarantee it will be massively educational. They have an "asshole face" that would discourage anyone from even thinking about fucking with the, and they know how to give a death star that will make almost anyone who does think about it back down.

Will cosign this, they don't even have to wear their colors (leather kuts) for them to look intimidating.

I have a few friend in biker gangs and if they don't know you they don't give a shit. Some are super friendly, especially drinking.

If they're friendly you can chop it up with them, doesn't hurt to buy them a beer. Having connections to these can be a good thing.

You don't have to be super paranoid about these guys, they're pretty chill all together, unless you're at a biker show and there's different clicks.

I also grew up with 2 gang bangers in my neighborhood, those fools knew how to step, maddog, and have a "don't fuck with me" attitude. They also taught me some game and how to talk to girls.

It's better to be intimidating at first then friendly.

I notice the last few girls I met were intimidated by me and super shy, until I start making sexual jokes or tell a story of mine.


On the subject of this dude getting killed:

No dude deserves to get stabbed, I'm not sure if he fought back or not. But it IS ironic his tweet and his political ideals stared him right in the face stabbed him.

Hopefully this wake some of these retards screaming white guilt, black lives matter, etc.

I hope his family gets through this suffering, that POS who stabbed should be immediately shot, save the trial for later.

It sucks noone helped him but these dudes were flight mode, not fight.

[Phoenix]

We should all just hope the attacker gets the chair, and that everyday folk start carrying weapons from now on. No need to join in on the SJWs race-baiting.

[trian1]

(07-10-2015 12:16 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

We should all just hope the attacker gets the chair, and that everyday folk start carrying weapons from now on. No need to join in on the SJWs race-baiting.

No death penalty in DC.

[Tytalus]

(07-09-2015 08:42 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote:

That no one did displays not just cowardice but also a callous and unthinking selfishness. The Reddit eyewitness had no idea at the time how many more people Spires would kill, no idea if he would attack the 52-year-old woman or an elderly passenger. He just let him walk off the train into the subway, covered in Sutherland’s blood.

This is essentially the opposite of the spirit of United Flight 93—the heroic selflessness that prompted a group of courageous passengers on 9/11 to attack their hijackers, forcing them to crash the plane in a Pennsylvania field. Once they heard about the attacks in New York and the Pentagon, and knew many more would die if they failed to act, they knew what they had to do—no matter what happened to them.

Morally, the choice facing the passengers on that subway car on July 4 was no different than the one facing the United 93 passengers on 9/11. It doesn’t matter if it’s one life or one thousand, the principle is what counts.

I don't agree with this logic. It's easy to sit back and play armchair hero. When something like this actually happens and you have to step in and disarm a man with a deadly weapon, it's another story. Especially if you have a wife and kids to look after. In Krav Maga we studied knife and gun disarms and I'll tell you straight up it's way harder to disarm a man with a knife than one with a gun. And you WILL get stabbed, no matter how good you are. Especially if the guy with the knife knows how to use it.

As for his 9/11 analogy, he's only looking at the final jet when the passengers already got word of the suicidal attacks on the twin towers and knew their fate was sealed if they didn't do something. What happened in the first three planes was analogous to what happened on this metro train. The passengers thought that if they didn't interfere they'd be spared.

Indeed, the first thing they trained us in jiu jitsu knife training was to run if someone is threatening you with a knife. If you try to engage someone with a knife, you will get stabbed. If I had a gun in this case, I doubt I would try to shoot the attacker while he is stabbing someone, it's too easy to shoot the guy he is stabbing.

I'd call police, and tell them I am on a train witnessing a man get stabbed to death, and tell them which car I am on, see if they can stop the train, not sure what else to be honest.

I guess I am beta when it comes to not wanting to get stabbed

(07-09-2015 08:50 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 08:42 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote:

That no one did displays not just cowardice but also a callous and unthinking selfishness. The Reddit eyewitness had no idea at the time how many more people Spires would kill, no idea if he would attack the 52-year-old woman or an elderly passenger. He just let him walk off the train into the subway, covered in Sutherland’s blood.

This is essentially the opposite of the spirit of United Flight 93—the heroic selflessness that prompted a group of courageous passengers on 9/11 to attack their hijackers, forcing them to crash the plane in a Pennsylvania field. Once they heard about the attacks in New York and the Pentagon, and knew many more would die if they failed to act, they knew what they had to do—no matter what happened to them.

Morally, the choice facing the passengers on that subway car on July 4 was no different than the one facing the United 93 passengers on 9/11. It doesn’t matter if it’s one life or one thousand, the principle is what counts.

I don't agree with this logic. It's easy to sit back and play armchair hero. When something like this actually happens and you have to step in and disarm a man with a deadly weapon, it's another story. Especially if you have a wife and kids to look after. In Krav Maga we studied knife and gun disarms and I'll tell you straight up it's way harder to disarm a man with a knife than one with a gun. And you WILL get stabbed, no matter how good you are. Especially if the guy with the knife knows how to use it.

As for his 9/11 analogy, he's only looking at the final jet when the passengers already got word of the suicidal attacks on the twin towers and knew their fate was sealed if they didn't do something. What happened in the first three planes was analogous to what happened on this metro train. The passengers thought that if they didn't interfere they'd be spared.

Indeed, the first thing they trained us in jiu jitsu knife training was to run if someone is threatening you with a knife. If you try to engage someone with a knife, you will get stabbed. If I had a gun in this case, I doubt I would try to shoot the attacker while he is stabbing someone, it's too easy to shoot the guy he is stabbing.

I'd call police, and tell them I am on a train witnessing a man get stabbed to death, and tell them which car I am on, see if they can stop the train, not sure what else to be honest.

I guess I am beta when it comes to not wanting to get stabbed

Dear RVF,

Today on the DC train, I refrained from fighting a deranged knife-attacker with my fists.

Was this beta?

For those of you who think it is straightforward to dis-arm someone with a knife, give a friend a marker, tell them to try and stab you with it, and see if you can take it without getting marker-ink on you. I, personally, would not engage even a small woman with a knife (unless she was threatening me or a loved one), no matter how many male friends I have with me helping.

A friend of mine has studied knife fight for two years. His words to me?

Him: "You know what happens when two men with knives fight?
Me: "What?"
Him: "The loser dies and the winner bleeds to death."

Outside of a gun, or a fucking sword/baseball bat/spear, I wouldn't engage a dude with a knife unless I absolutely had to.

[BortimusPrime]

I imagine if several people rushed him he'd have only gotten one poorly aimed stab in, but I can see being reluctant to take that risk. Ultimately, that guy on reddit can rationalize all he wants but he'll still have to live the rest of his life knowing he watched someone get murdered in cold blood and did absolutely nothing to stop it.

[Enigma]

Amazing that it only took one page of posts for gays, betas, liberals, blacks, 9/11, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Dylan Roof to all be tied to this one guy getting stabbed.

Someone even managed to blame Obamacare on the second page.

[BortimusPrime]

(07-10-2015 01:42 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Someone even managed to blame Obamacare on the second page.

[Brian Shima]

(07-10-2015 01:42 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Amazing that it only took one page of posts for gays, betas, liberals, blacks, 9/11, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Dylan Roof to all be tied to this one guy getting stabbed.

Someone even managed to blame Obamacare on the second page.

Someone also said that their height and weight would of prevented this guy from seriously injuring them or killing with a knife LOL.

[Pride male]

If it was a hot chick getting stabbed I bet someone would have jumped in.

[britchard]

This is almost like something off the bodybuilding.com forums.

"OMG beta bitch pussy doesn't attack crazy guy with knife. What a pussy! Fucking beta when I was in the SAS I could disarm a man with a knife before you could blink"

Whose signature says something like:

' 6"2 Master Race. Bulking. I'm fucking alpha brah. Come at me cunts'

When in reality they're something fat perma-bulking shite who has never been in a fight.

Seriously. I would not go near that guy. However if there was a fire extinguisher or some other type of weapon that could be used if his back was turned or something, I would consider using that.

[Hannibal]

I don't think it's fair to call the other guys on the train beta males. I don't know about you guys, but I probably wouldn't risk getting stabbed to save a hipster.

Unless I had a gun.




Even if you were billy badass with a black belt in kung fu, you're still going to get cut if you go in close.

[UroboricForms]

Something about the victim's face is mildly disturbing to me. The guy on the left just looks like a typical brainless ghetto moron. I hate everyone like that but at least they make sense to me. Dude on the right is like a child. I hate children. Their solipsism repulses me and their innocence to how fucked the world really is creeps me the hell out. The picture of the victim is giving me much the same vibe. He just looks so doughy and harmless.

[H1N1]

(07-10-2015 04:25 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  

I don't think it's fair to call the other guys on the train beta males. I don't know about you guys, but I probably wouldn't risk getting stabbed to save a hipster.

Unless I had a gun.




Even if you were billy badass with a black belt in kung fu, you're still going to get cut if you go in close.

Agreed. Not too long ago I would have disagreed, and I do still believe that in a healthy society men should go to the rescue of a stranger irrespective of the potential harm to themselves. I also believe that a strong, determined, trained man, who recognises the various kill zones on another human can be effective with a sturdy pen, or blunt object.

The reality is though that now I will not go to the rescue of any man who is voluntarily weak. I would still go to the rescue of the elderly, the infirm, women (or rather the ones who appear to be making a valid contribution to society by their appearance) and children. I will not risk my life for a man of fighting age who has willingly made himself a victim by being mentally and physically weak. A man of fighting age who has given himself the opportunity to survive by training, who is outnumbered, outmatched or out weaponed, I will lend a hand to.

The important things that everyone here should recognise are:

1. These things do happen, you should always be carrying some kind of equaliser, even if it is just a solid pen.

2. You need to decide before the event who you will help/risk your life for, and what consequences you are willing to suffer for your actions. Indecision and hesitancy in the few moments of an actual live event may get you killed, or cause someone innocent (according to your own definition) to lose their life.

3. If you decide there are circumstances in which you will try to intervene, you owe it to yourself and those depending on you to train like a madman, to ensure that if such a moment comes, you are able to be effective.

4. You really must reconcile yourself IN ADVANCE to the potential physical, mental, and legal consequences of your actions, so that you can act without hesitancy. Your own psychological preparation is key to effective performance under pressure.

[Hannibal]

(07-10-2015 04:47 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 04:25 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  

I don't think it's fair to call the other guys on the train beta males. I don't know about you guys, but I probably wouldn't risk getting stabbed to save a hipster.

Unless I had a gun.




Even if you were billy badass with a black belt in kung fu, you're still going to get cut if you go in close.

Agreed. Not too long ago I would have disagreed, and I do still believe that in a healthy society men should go to the rescue of a stranger irrespective of the potential harm to themselves. I also believe that a strong, determined, trained man, who recognises the various kill zones on another human can be effective with a sturdy pen, or blunt object.

Precisely, but we don't live in a healthy society. If it was someone I loved, or someone who looks like they actually contribute to society or they're defenseless then yeah, try to fuck the guy up if you can.

This article reminds me of that event a while back where this ship was sinking and all the Western guys pushed everyone out of the way to get to the lifeboats first.

I see barfights happen all the time where I live and usually the nearest five guys will step in to break up a fight, but the worst weapon I've seen used is a bottle.

As far as equalizers, I've been looking to EDC an expandable baton or a "yawara stick". Yet another good reason to lift as far as I'm concerned. Learning two or three basic strikes, and then drilling them over and over on a punching bag would not be a bad idea. I want to take boxing, but don't have the resources at the moment.

This one's called a kubotan, but it's the same idea.

[not_dead_yet]

(07-09-2015 11:14 PM)monster Wrote:  

Wow, so because someone simply disagrees with your worldview you feel he should be stabbed to death?

Great way of resolving conflict, sir.

Nothing obligates me to put my life in jeopardy for anyone else. I'll do it for family, natural and otherwise. I'm not going to do it for some random guy in DC dressed like a douche who, statistically speaking, has probably spent the past several years demonizing me.

And to be clear, monster, Fast Eddie didn't stab the guy over a disagreement of opinion. Some black kid murdered him over his phone and then proceeded to rob the entire car. As we've seen, when you switch the races, everything goes all DefCon 1 and I can't even jerk off to Daisy Duke anymore.

Why don't you go to DC and have a debate with the murderer on how one should handle differences of opinion? I'll pay for your ticket.