[future]

I am soon about to get a PhD in computer science and I have two options careerwise: 1) go to Wall Street and become a quant, 2) do a series of postdocs and attempt to become a prof.

I am inclined towards picking the one that's better in the getting laid department. Wall Street will give me pretty much three times the salary of a postdoc. Plus, from what I understand, a bank job is a high status job. A prof is perhaps also a high status job, but the job market in academia is quite fucked up and almost everyone waits for at least 3 years before getting a professorship.

If it's true that (1) is clearly better than (2) in the getting laid department, then it will make my decision very simple. Does anyone know which one of the two is better?

[Virtus]

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[Cattle Rustler]

Game will help you get laid whether it's your students or regular broads. There's millionaires who still get played.

Then again, money does help paying your bills. Try paying them with hugs and see what happens.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

How are your business sense and social skills? You could also go into consulting. Your relative status as a quant in Manhattan won't really be much higher than your relative status as a post-doc somewhere else. You may even have higher status as a post-doc and more ready access to young chicks.

Money doesn't do much for your game beyond the level needed to afford nice clothes and a gym membership.

[boinerd]

But you need to pay your bills though, and emergency purposes, maintaining lifestyle?

[Phoenix]

Yes, it does.

This is no different to asking 'does having a ripped body really help getting laid?'.

I think the questions people keep asking are very telling. Often its a form of insecurity, fishing for 'no not much' answers to help quench that insecurity.
You always hear the same old questions: do looks matter? does money matter? does status matter? does height matter? does race matter? does dick size matter? Everyone knows the answer to these questions are: 'yes', and that they have already been asked and answered millions of times, and that there is plenty of proof to back them up.

And yet, the questions remain. And still people answer them with the empirically wrong answers.
'Nah man, height doesn't matter, game matters'. 'No no-one cares about your race nowadays'. 'Nah dick size doesn't matter, any dick can satisfy a woman just as well'. 'Nah money will just attract "gold-diggers"'.


I think its the male equivalent of girls posting 'I look bad in this' on facebook. Their equivalent of 'nah, only game matters' is 'its what's inside that counts!'.

If these things didn't matter, the same questions wouldn't keep being brought up. The questions are the smoke, and the truth that 'yes, it matters' is the fire.

Putting aside the bulk empirical evidence, and instead using biological first-principles:

If reproductive success could not be improved by resource gathering (capital accumulation), then it would be a failed evolutionary tactic to do so. It would be a superior tactic instead to drive away or exterminate all male competitors from your territory (instead of working with them via division of labour), in the same manner lions, elephants, and gorillas do.
Since we currently live in skyscapers instead of caves, this clearly isn't the case.

The bonobo doesn't accumulate resources because to do so would waste 'banging sluts in heat' time, which would lower its reproduction (there is no female commitment in a bonobo society). The gorilla doesn't accumulate resources because to do so would waste energy better spent guarding his harem.

As a side note, I think this implies: 'capital is a function of female commitment and avoidance of force'. AKA 'less sluts & less government = more wealth'.

I hope this lays to rest the question 'Does money matter?'. I know it won't.

[Kitsune]

Having money increases your attractiveness and potential for attractiveness.

I hate to be "that guy," but I don't think basing your career on ease of getting laid is probably the best idea. I know people's priorites are different, and sure make it a consideration, but there is a lot more to life than sex.

You can get sex/relationships as a banker or post grad or unemployed surfer bum. You can be a player in a town of a hundred thousand or an incel in a city of ten million. Career choices should include stuff like whether you want to be paying off debt or a mortgage before you die or being able to afford healthcare when you're old and stuff.

[Glaucon]

Money is always good thing to have. Just watch out for gold diggers stealing your money. Never marry!

[germanico]

Money/fame/looks multiplies game.

If you have game, money will make it better.

If you have no game, money will make it worse.

Game plus money will take you higher. Better venues, access to better social circles, free time to pursue both women and your personal interests, better health in the form of better food and better gyms, tailored clothes and higher quality personal grooming. Yet all those are just lures, its your game that hooks them in.

Money minus game equals being a simp, supplicating to a woman, trying to pay for her affection/attention/sex, not being able to tell golddiggers from the Mary Janes, spending vast ammounts of effort, time, and money only to get a peck at the cheek, a good night, see you later, only for her to call her unemployed "boyfriend" to come and fuck her in the ass the moment you drive away.

Yeah, money is good. But game is better.

Money and no game makes you a simp. Game and no money makes you the guy she calls when her dinner date drops her home.

[Parlay44]

Do it for yourself because you enjoy it ...not for some bitch.

[Parlay44]

Do it for yourself because you enjoy it ...not for some bitch.

[Kissinger2014]

Money does help you get laid. No doubt about it.

But why do you necessarily have to choose between the two? Start by being a quant. And after a few years, enroll part-time in a post-doc program. Or just wait until you're forty something, retire from Wall Street with $5 million, and then go full-time post-doc and teaching. You could be a professor with bank.

[Comte De St. Germain]

There are two things that need to be addressed here.
1. Will you enjoy being on Wallstreet versus being a professor? Of course I would because I love networking, the mystique/style of the upper class, and my travel experience giving me an edge but will this help you? Think about what benefits you and brings out the maximum potential you can achieve towards your skill set. Professors do get paid $100,000+ usually so it is still a fair amount.
2. What is the relative trade off? Think about what you are giving up in exchange for the other. There's always a lost opportunity by picking the other road so consider the merits of both professions to YOU. Each person values different things and so you need to organize how each benefits you.

[The Beast1]

If you have game, money will make it so you only need to run "don't fuck up" game which is easier than whatever type of high energy extroversion RSD crap you'll read.

[Cyclone]

On a psychological level, "having money" doesn't help with game.
Having a steady, reliable monthly income (even $2000) does help your game immensely.

It's not like the girl can read your mind or x-ray your wallet. But your behavior does change and i doubt even the jump between $3000 to $10,000 would really change your inner game terribly much. It's all about the stability. So yes, drop the academia, and get on Wall Street (although your time/schedule will be a lot less flexible than when doing research) I am doing research and I get to show up 11am every day. Hello ladie's nights
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[boinerd]

I think it's not just all about game from money.

I understand the value of money for my wellness and freedom from slavery from work to shelter and food.

Not just another unhappy corporate cog.

[CimbomluBkk]

It depends on the country
In south east asia It will make you 10 times more attractive, girls are so poor that they consider you rich when you stay in a 4-5 star hotel.
In the west and south europe you need fame to go with it.
Like in my country any football player playing for the top istanbul club can get laid with any 8-9-10 no matter how shitty their game is. My cousin used to play for an istanbul club, I was in his social circle, most RVF'ers would consider him the ultimate beta, he pays for everyones shit when he goes out and is really kind to girls in a gentleman way, but he was with a different girl every week, 1.5m/year salary + Ferrari helped him a lot. Now he plays for a mediocore anatolian team, earns roughly the same salary but the quality of pussy he's been getting has dropped a lot, he hangs out with 7's now and 8's once in a blue moon.

[WestIndianArchie]

You're more likely to become rich on Wall Street, than to become a professor after a few post docs.

But being a quant on wall street means you probably won't have the free time necessary to make dating a big part of your life. Certainly not 3-5 nights out a week, what it takes to get good.

WIA

[samsamsam]

Do what makes you happy. There are some miserable people working in wall street. Well actually miserable people everywhere working jobs they don't like. Don't make pussy your goal. Pursue the stuff that makes you live best/well. You can get chicks with game. You'll need the money to get chicks if you are miserable because your vibe is off.

Or you could do a couple years and then go do more school stuff. But don't do things just to get chicks. A man has to have a strong purpose.

Edit: or you jus make a deal with the devil. Put in 5 hard years save a shit load of money and just be free.

[future]

Yes, of course, there are many aspects to consider before deciding which career to pick, and I have done a lot of research and introspection, and so far it's been pretty much a tie. I think I will enjoy doing both kinds of work equally or roughly equally well. The one thing I don't like about wall street is the long hours and the one thing I don't like about academia is the small paycheques (until I become a prof).

I started this thread to collect information about one aspect -- the getting laid aspect -- of this decision. Given that it's been a tie so far, if one of them is clearly better for getting laid, I will pick that one.

And yeah, as some of you have pointed out, I guess there's no harm in trying it out. I can always go back to academia after a few years.

[future]

(11-07-2014 04:40 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

How are your business sense and social skills? You could also go into consulting. Your relative status as a quant in Manhattan won't really be much higher than your relative status as a post-doc somewhere else. You may even have higher status as a post-doc and more ready access to young chicks.

Money doesn't do much for your game beyond the level needed to afford nice clothes and a gym membership.

Yeah, I have considered consulting too, but quant at wall street sounds much more enjoyable to me.

You make a good point about the relative status. Most wall street guys are probably running money game on chicks and just having money will not give me any competitive advantage. Are there any wall street guys on this forum? I will love to hear their experiences getting laid in Manhattan. Hmm, I should search the forum for Manhattan perhaps.

(11-07-2014 05:38 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Yes, it does.

This is no different to asking 'does having a ripped body really help getting laid?'.

I think the questions people keep asking are very telling. Often its a form of insecurity, fishing for 'no not much' answers to help quench that insecurity.
You always hear the same old questions: do looks matter? does money matter? does status matter? does height matter? does race matter? does dick size matter? Everyone knows the answer to these questions are: 'yes', and that they have already been asked and answered millions of times, and that there is plenty of proof to back them up.

And yet, the questions remain. And still people answer them with the empirically wrong answers.
'Nah man, height doesn't matter, game matters'. 'No no-one cares about your race nowadays'. 'Nah dick size doesn't matter, any dick can satisfy a woman just as well'. 'Nah money will just attract "gold-diggers"'.


I think its the male equivalent of girls posting 'I look bad in this' on facebook. Their equivalent of 'nah, only game matters' is 'its what's inside that counts!'.

If these things didn't matter, the same questions wouldn't keep being brought up. The questions are the smoke, and the truth that 'yes, it matters' is the fire.

Putting aside the bulk empirical evidence, and instead using biological first-principles:

If reproductive success could not be improved by resource gathering (capital accumulation), then it would be a failed evolutionary tactic to do so. It would be a superior tactic instead to drive away or exterminate all male competitors from your territory (instead of working with them via division of labour), in the same manner lions, elephants, and gorillas do.
Since we currently live in skyscapers instead of caves, this clearly isn't the case.

The bonobo doesn't accumulate resources because to do so would waste 'banging sluts in heat' time, which would lower its reproduction (there is no female commitment in a bonobo society). The gorilla doesn't accumulate resources because to do so would waste energy better spent guarding his harem.

As a side note, I think this implies: 'capital is a function of female commitment and avoidance of force'. AKA 'less sluts & less government = more wealth'.

I hope this lays to rest the question 'Does money matter?'. I know it won't.

Hey, of course, I know money matters. I am just trying to figure out how much of a difference it will make. I am not insecure about money at all since there are many high-paying jobs open to people with a background in computer science. Penis size - that's a completely different matter.

[Menace]

I really think your fundamental premise is flawed. If you are asking will job X or Y will help get me laid, you're already in trouble because you think that getting laid is a function of what you do rather than who you are. Beyond a certain point, more money is useful only to the extent that it buys you freedom. Having money means you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, without worrying about how much it costs.

Also, don't for a second think that being a prof is not time consuming. Associate professors work very long hours writing grants, getting their labs running, etc. This is at least true in the natural sciences, not sure about comp sci.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you appear to have a very naive view of things. A woman does not see your bank account when you approach her, and having a big bank account only adds a very small portion to your total pool of confidence. You think you're going to roll up and say "hey, I'm a banker" and the panties will drop? In NYC? In fact, how DO you think this will help? Why don't you actually write out a detailed real life scenario and what you think will happen. Do it for yourself, or do it here. But try that exercise.

Also, you should read Wall Street Playboys. That will give you a real dose of reality.

[Saladin]

(11-07-2014 03:35 AM)future Wrote:  

I am soon about to get a PhD in computer science and I have two options careerwise: 1) go to Wall Street and become a quant, 2) do a series of postdocs and attempt to become a prof.

I am inclined towards picking the one that's better in the getting laid department. Wall Street will give me pretty much three times the salary of a postdoc. Plus, from what I understand, a bank job is a high status job. A prof is perhaps also a high status job, but the job market in academia is quite fucked up and almost everyone waits for at least 3 years before getting a professorship.

If it's true that (1) is clearly better than (2) in the getting laid department, then it will make my decision very simple. Does anyone know which one of the two is better?

You're not going to be getting laid a ton if you're unhappy with your job, and constantly stressed out.

If you're happy with your life and fulfilled, it'll keep you positive. So keep that in mind. Being overworked won't leave you time for getting laid. I know being a professor has a lot of perks, including far more flexibility. Its a damn good job if you can get tenure.

But keep in mind the job market. Being happy and fulfilled is good and all, but you won't be either if you're broke. I know competition is tight for academic jobs nowdays.

[future]

(11-07-2014 12:10 PM)Menace Wrote:  

I really think your fundamental premise is flawed. If you are asking will job X or Y will help get me laid, you're already in trouble because you think that getting laid is a function of what you do rather than who you are. Beyond a certain point, more money is useful only to the extent that it buys you freedom. Having money means you can do whatever you want, whenever you want, without worrying about how much it costs.

Also, don't for a second think that being a prof is not time consuming. Associate professors work very long hours writing grants, getting their labs running, etc. This is at least true in the natural sciences, not sure about comp sci.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you appear to have a very naive view of things. A woman does not see your bank account when you approach her, and having a big bank account only adds a very small portion to your total pool of confidence. You think you're going to roll up and say "hey, I'm a banker" and the panties will drop? In NYC? In fact, how DO you think this will help? Why don't you actually write out a detailed real life scenario and what you think will happen. Do it for yourself, or do it here. But try that exercise.

Also, you should read Wall Street Playboys. That will give you a real dose of reality.

I can assure you that my views are far from naive. As a 28-year old, I've got at least my views under control.

There are many ways money can potentially help. The obvious example is having a flashy high-status car, which has been well documented to increase sex appeal. Of course you have to use your money in well thought of ways.

If you just have a million dollars in your bank account but you never get out of your house, girls are not going to flock to your apartment and grind you while you are asleep. But if you do go out and talk to girls, may be some girl will notice the expensive watch you are wearing and be more open to your approach than she would've been otherwise. May be once in a while a girl who is in double minds about going home with you will notice your high status car and decide to jump in. And may be once you manage to bring her home, she will notice your $8000/month Manhattan apartment and thus display minimal LMR. Or may be word will get out that you are rich and when you are at parties more girls will come and talk to you.

Anyway, I am not sure exactly how much of this is effective since I don't know any rich guys who are using their money to get laid. That's why I started this thread.

Wall Street Playboys looks awesome. Thanks for the link!

[Advent Persona]

Out of the two choices you presented, the one that'll get you laid the most is the one that offers you the most free time/freedom to go out and get laid. With a bit of money management, both options can provide you with a solid enough bankroll to give you access to exclusive social gatherings, custom suits and travel opportunities to get you going. From there, game will get you laid.