[BacanT]

Her: You're such a player
Me: I know. I loooove board games. What's your favourite?

[jabba]

I met a girl (early 20's) on holidays in a beach town and bought the first round of drinks since we were flirting with each other. The weather was hot, and we were both in a good mood.

She had to meet friends and had to leave. We texted each other for months off and on, suggesting we could meet in different cities. She sent emojis with smiley faced kisses. Months later, we met in a different country while she was on holidays. We met at a café, and I paid for the coffees.

As we walked, I wasn't sure if the spark fizzled. We went to grab a quick bite at a deli. I intentionally positioned myself behind her to order after her.

If she had the common courtesy to pay for my inexpensive sandwich, then I knew she honestly enjoyed my company (and understood reciprocity). She pulls out her wad of cash clenching it tightly in her fist. She only pays for her meal. I think to myself: Thanks for communicating how you really feel.

I smile and pay for my mine. We walk in the direction of my car. I wanted to cut my losses and bail while it was still sunny. I mentally disengage from our discussion, agree with her, and nod my head like a bobblehead. We say goodbye, and I don't offer her to drive her back to her place. She walks back on her own or takes a taxi. I don't really care. I have other girls to meet.

A Bronx Tale - The Door Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyj2VNVB8qk

[Beirut]

jabba i dont understand the logic behind what you did.

[jabba]

There was some interest when we first met.
I bought drinks.
After some months, we met again.
I bought coffee.
After I realized this may be a dud, I wanted to understand how she really felt.
There’s no reason for me to pay for anything if this is going no where.
By not offering to pay for my cheap sandwich, she expected me to keep paying even if she has no interest in me. That’s all I needed.
Once I understood her true nature, then I cut my losses and went home. No reason “to plow” when she’s not into you.
A younger me would have kept paying for shit even though she already signaled no interest.
Of course, a girl would gladly consume your food and booze at your expense. That’s a classic sucker trap, and it feels like you’re sinking in quicksand when you realize it too late. Girls know how to play advanced chess better than the average guy.

A girl’s real opinions are communicated via her actions. I watch more how she behaves vs what she says. You can learn a lot about a girl based on the way she spends money on you or her generousity towards you. This is why I forced her hand with the cheap sandwich test, because I could have wasted the whole day with her.

[Beirut]

I dont know man, might be a cultural difference but it feels like youre leveling yourself there.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-03-2018 05:18 AM)jabba Wrote:  

There was some interest when we first met.
I bought drinks.
After some months, we met again.
I bought coffee.
After I realized this may be a dud, I wanted to understand how she really felt.
There’s no reason for me to pay for anything if this is going no where.
By not offering to pay for my cheap sandwich, she expected me to keep paying even if she has no interest in me. That’s all I needed.
Once I understood her true nature, then I cut my losses and went home. No reason “to plow” when she’s not into you.
A younger me would have kept paying for shit even though she already signaled no interest.
Of course, a girl would gladly consume your food and booze at your expense. That’s a classic sucker trap, and it feels like you’re sinking in quicksand when you realize it too late. Girls know how to play advanced chess better than the average guy.

A girl’s real opinions are communicated via her actions. I watch more how she behaves vs what she says. You can learn a lot about a girl based on the way she spends money on you or her generousity towards you. This is why I forced her hand with the cheap sandwich test, because I could have wasted the whole day with her.

So at what point did you "sexualize" the date? I didn't get any sense that you were moving this interaction in a non platonic direction yet you decided she wasnt interested because she didn't offer to pay for your sandwich?

If you treat her like a buddy she's going to feel like a buddy.

Make it clear youre a man interested in her as a woman.

The goal isn't to have her pay for a sandwich ...is it? It should be to have her make you one while she's wearing nothing but your shirt standing there on wobbly knees because you just banged the culture out of her

[ksbms]

(02-03-2018 12:59 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 05:18 AM)jabba Wrote:  

There was some interest when we first met.
I bought drinks.
After some months, we met again.
I bought coffee.
After I realized this may be a dud, I wanted to understand how she really felt.
There’s no reason for me to pay for anything if this is going no where.
By not offering to pay for my cheap sandwich, she expected me to keep paying even if she has no interest in me. That’s all I needed.
Once I understood her true nature, then I cut my losses and went home. No reason “to plow” when she’s not into you.
A younger me would have kept paying for shit even though she already signaled no interest.
Of course, a girl would gladly consume your food and booze at your expense. That’s a classic sucker trap, and it feels like you’re sinking in quicksand when you realize it too late. Girls know how to play advanced chess better than the average guy.

A girl’s real opinions are communicated via her actions. I watch more how she behaves vs what she says. You can learn a lot about a girl based on the way she spends money on you or her generousity towards you. This is why I forced her hand with the cheap sandwich test, because I could have wasted the whole day with her.

So at what point did you "sexualize" the date? I didn't get any sense that you were moving this interaction in a non platonic direction yet you decided she wasnt interested because she didn't offer to pay for your sandwich?

If you treat her like a buddy she's going to feel like a buddy.

Make it clear youre a man interested in her as a woman.

The goal isn't to have her pay for a sandwich ...is it? It should be to have her make you one while she's wearing nothing but your shirt standing there on wobbly knees because you just banged the culture out of her

PT is right on the money.

Also, if messaging lasted for months, you should've applied the long game. If done correctly, you would have a girl agreed (either explicitly or implicitly) meeting you for sex. It's amazing what you can have a girl done over WhatsApp and Skype (from her sending you naked selfies to full-blown live masturbation session just for your eyes only).

After drinks, months of messaging, then you are going for... coffee? And then, "strategically" get behind her in a queue (it's a bad move as it is), then complain about a measly sandwich and her being "an awful human being"!? Instead of taking her on an adventure you concoct a "sandwich test"? Dude, that's a hamster-spin redirection. Man is active, woman reactive. You're the leader, girl a follower. If you want proper man to woman polarity, you're in charge, from the beginning until your P is in her V. You're in self-denial - it was you who fucked it up, not a girl. She got all information she wanted, and upon that information she thought "ha, I thought I met a decisive, confident, charming, competent and forward cool guy, I was mistaken, I'm going home".

You've de-escalated yourself and revealed to her you were too afraid to make a sexual move - you have disappointed the girl big time. Don't overblame yourself - most of us, including me, was there too. I'd go on the date, I would be cool (too cool for school!) but not escalating, not pushing for sex, being polite. Then I'd never hear back from a girl. Clearly, the girl came out to FUCK and I didn't deliver. So did fail you. Girls may not fuck you (as soon as you want) but will reward boldness, punish meekness. So was my experience - the bolder I get, the less I care, the better the responses. So own what you should, admit to yourself to become more aggressive next time and don't push the blame on a girl for what she was not responsible.

And by the way...

[Sam Malone]

Not to pile on, I'm in the same camp as PT and ksbms.

Full disclosure, a couple of years ago I might have done the same kind of thing as Jabba. Look for some sort of signal to indicate to me whether or not the chick was into me. Pre Red-Pill, I would have been worried about coming across as a creeper or something. I would have needed a strong signal that she was into me..



And Ksbms is correct on the long game, that much time and investment should have netted at a minimum an understanding of what was planned to go down.

As far as the sandwich place, truthfully, this shouldn't have been a question after drinks the first time, and coffee a few months later. By the time you got to the sandwich 'date', "lemme see if this chick is into me" should have never entered your mind.

Ideally, when you were ordering and you're standing behind her, you've got your hands on her hips, and you're both looking at the menu board 'together'. You lean down to tell her...

"I'll have a turkey club sandwich... no mayo."


That said, a better sandwich place conversation might have been, "Hey, do me a favor, baby.. I want a turkey club sandwich, no mayo.. I've gotta hit the bathroom real quick."

That puts her in the hot seat. She has a few choices.. she could ask you for money (to cover yours/both meals), wait until you return from the bathroom (for you to pay), or cover the bill herself (out of her money).
Would she have asked for your portion once you were sitting at the table eating ? Who knows. Probably not, though.

At the sandwich place, did the kid behind the counter ask if the bill was "together or separate ?". If not, then the counter guy (and anyone else around you both) likely figured you were friends or co-workers, and had no indication that you two were 'together' in any sense of the word.

Learn from it, recalibrate, and you'll see success.

[jabba]

^^This is fine. I like the different opinions.

I know how to escalate and close same day and long game. I hit on her the first time we met. She knew my motivations from the onset. The timing didn’t work.

She was in orbit and wrote her off. Texting was intermittent over time. There wasn’t enough momentum to sexually calibrate. The vibe waned from the initial time we met.

When she contacted me out of the blue to meet, I had low expectations. Correct. I didn’t make a move, because there wasn’t as much chemistry this time. She looked different this time. This new era of #metoo makes me wait for a stronger signal before making a bold move.

I always play to win, but I’m OK if it doesn’t always go in my favor every time.

I’m more cautious these days. It will probably yield lower results until I figure out the right balance. I take my reputation more serious vs. trying too hard to close a girl. We’ve witnessed men accused of improper behavior decades ago and ruin their careers. I don’t want to take that chance.

The sandwich test was to confirm that I should leave. I wasn’t angry. I just got the message and moved on. There’s no hate in my game.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-03-2018 03:50 PM)jabba Wrote:  

^^This is fine. I like the different opinions.

I know how to escalate and close same day and long game. I hit on her the first time we met. She knew my motivations from the onset. The timing didn’t work.

She was in orbit and wrote her off. Texting was intermittent over time. There wasn’t enough momentum to sexually calibrate. The vibe waned from the initial time we met.

When she contacted me out of the blue to meet, I had low expectations. Correct. I didn’t make a move, because there wasn’t as much chemistry this time. She looked different this time. This new era of #metoo makes me wait for a stronger signal before making a bold move.

I always play to win, but I’m OK if it doesn’t always go in my favor every time.

I’m more cautious these days. It will probably yield lower results until I figure out the right balance. I take my reputation more serious vs. trying too hard to close a girl. We’ve witnessed men accused of improper behavior decades ago and ruin their careers. I don’t want to take that chance.

The sandwich test was to confirm that I should leave. I wasn’t angry. I just got the message and moved on. There’s no hate in my game.

Fair enough. Its often difficult for us (the RVF audience) to make a helpful assessment based on limited info. You were there. We were not.

I personally try to avoid day time "dates" pre first bang at all costs. I think day "dates" should be reserved for post first bang. Do you think the "chemistry" might have been different if it had been more of classic night setting with drinks instead of sandwiches?

For me: Night time+alcohol+my place = >95% close rate on 2nd date.

Took years to land on the "formula" but I dont mess with that efficiency

[treypound]

Had a 2nd date with a girl last night at an agreed upon coffee shop. I hit traffic, and get there about 10 minutes late. When I walk in, I see my date sitting next to a female (later introduced as her friend). She "just so happened to be in the area of the location we were meeting in", so figured it would be ok to drop in on our date. About 5 minutes in, I could sense the game. I cut short her game of 21 questions, and shifted the convo to sex, which made my date's friend uncomfortable.

Shit tests come in all shapes and sizes.

[jabba]

(02-03-2018 05:07 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 03:50 PM)jabba Wrote:  

^^This is fine. I like the different opinions.

I know how to escalate and close same day and long game. I hit on her the first time we met. She knew my motivations from the onset. The timing didn’t work.

She was in orbit and wrote her off. Texting was intermittent over time. There wasn’t enough momentum to sexually calibrate. The vibe waned from the initial time we met.

When she contacted me out of the blue to meet, I had low expectations. Correct. I didn’t make a move, because there wasn’t as much chemistry this time. She looked different this time. This new era of #metoo makes me wait for a stronger signal before making a bold move.

I always play to win, but I’m OK if it doesn’t always go in my favor every time.

I’m more cautious these days. It will probably yield lower results until I figure out the right balance. I take my reputation more serious vs. trying too hard to close a girl. We’ve witnessed men accused of improper behavior decades ago and ruin their careers. I don’t want to take that chance.

The sandwich test was to confirm that I should leave. I wasn’t angry. I just got the message and moved on. There’s no hate in my game.

Fair enough. Its often difficult for us (the RVF audience) to make a helpful assessment based on limited info. You were there. We were not.

I personally try to avoid day time "dates" pre first bang at all costs. I think day "dates" should be reserved for post first bang. Do you think the "chemistry" might have been different if it had been more of classic night setting with drinks instead of sandwiches?

For me: Night time+alcohol+my place = >95% close rate on 2nd date.

Took years to land on the "formula" but I dont mess with that efficiency

Quote:

Do you think the "chemistry" might have been different if it had been more of classic night setting with drinks instead of sandwiches?

I meet girls during my travels, nothing's happening in my hometown. The average stay at the same location is a week. When I meet girls, it's day game or meeting at a lounge. I have to move quickly. I don't have much time to create the ideal pipeline. From the first interaction, I'm thinking the probability and how much time and effort it will take to close.

For this one, the best chance I had was when we were having drinks the first meeting. If she didn't have to meet her friends, then, Yes, I would have had the chance to close. We had good chemistry. Stars didn't line up. There a lot of timing issues with this kind of traveling.

Day or night doesn't matter for me. It's all about fortuitous timing, in which the ovulation goddesses grant me my window of oppor-poon-ity.

This is just one girl I thought I would share with this thread. I travel a lot and don't get stuck on one girl.

[ksbms]

(02-03-2018 05:17 PM)treypound Wrote:  

Had a 2nd date with a girl last night at an agreed upon coffee shop. I hit traffic, and get there about 10 minutes late. When I walk in, I see my date sitting next to a female (later introduced as her friend). She "just so happened to be in the area of the location we were meeting in", so figured it would be ok to drop in on our date. About 5 minutes in, I could sense the game. I cut short her game of 21 questions, and shifted the convo to sex, which made my date's friend uncomfortable.

Shit tests come in all shapes and sizes.

It if was crystal clear it was a date, this is unacceptable and disrespectful (it's a girl's stab in a back, putting you at a serious disadvantage without a fair warning). You should've told her it was unacceptable and disrespectful looking straight into her eyes, then tell her to message you when she's ready to meet one on one, turn around and leave. Once girls learn they can't everything their own way, they get punished for playing foul, they'll become nicer human beings. These days they get spoiled so much with dick offer (yes, online dating plays a big role here), they all play self-entitled prima donnas.

[Атаман]

(02-04-2018 07:35 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 05:17 PM)treypound Wrote:  

Had a 2nd date with a girl last night at an agreed upon coffee shop. I hit traffic, and get there about 10 minutes late. When I walk in, I see my date sitting next to a female (later introduced as her friend). She "just so happened to be in the area of the location we were meeting in", so figured it would be ok to drop in on our date. About 5 minutes in, I could sense the game. I cut short her game of 21 questions, and shifted the convo to sex, which made my date's friend uncomfortable.

Shit tests come in all shapes and sizes.

It if was crystal clear it was a date, this is unacceptable and disrespectful (it's a girl's stab in a back, putting you at a serious disadvantage without a fair warning). You should've told her it was unacceptable and disrespectful looking straight into her eyes, then tell her to message you when she's ready to meet one on one, turn around and leave. Once girls learn they can't everything their own way, they get punished for playing foul, they'll become nicer human beings. These days they get spoiled so much with dick offer (yes, online dating plays a big role here), they all play self-entitled prima donnas.

This is very weak, tough-guy-posturing suggestion. Either go for the threesome, or lead NOW to a 1-on-1 date. Don't be a sourpuss - SOCIAL DOMINANCE FTW!

[RedPillUK]

Jabba that was not her shit-testing you, that was you shit-testing her!

You buy drinks for her the first time you meet, then coffee the second time you meet, and then you wait for her to pay for you the third time and get disappointed and leave when she doesn't? LOL. She probably wasn't even planning on paying for herself.

If you don't want to pay for a girl, then don't! No one is forcing you to. Don't wait until the third time to split the bill in that case. If you're always paying for her she will expect it.

(02-03-2018 03:50 PM)jabba Wrote:  

When she contacted me out of the blue to meet, I had low expectations. Correct. I didn’t make a move, because there wasn’t as much chemistry this time. She looked different this time. This new era of #metoo makes me wait for a stronger signal before making a bold move.

When she contacts you out of the blue, that's about the strongest signal you could ever hope to recieve from a girl that she wants you.

Going on a date with her and then... waiting for another signal looks really, really weak.

Don't blame that #metoo bullshit for not taking action.

[Vaun]

The shit test last night, third date...

"Don't you remember where we met?? Do you remember that Mexican place(it wasn't a Mexican place), I can't believe you forgot where we met, ya da ya da"

This went on for a 30 minutes or so at the very end of the night. Totally ruined our night and the vibe, and I left shortly thereafter and had her pay for the drinks. 35yo very attractive girl, good job, family, etc, but at the end of the day, crazy. Met via online. Looking to find another LTR, and I thought this one had potential, until she hit me with this. Actually had another girl come over to my place later who is constantly blowing up my phone.

Its easy to hook up, now I am past that. Scouting for LTR material. The bastard in me could have pushed through, took her home, then never called her again. But I'd rather be with someone that wants to treat me well, get decent sleep, and not spend another dollar or minute on Miss Shittest.

I wonder if maybe I am overreacting to the shittest; literally dumping a girl same night for a vibe/fun killing shittest, during a date that I am paying for. But if a girl is showing you this so early on, when you are taking her out, dump her fast. Its only downhill from there.

[astro]

How did you expect scouting for a LTR with a 35 year old single woman to work out? You're assuaging your ego in your post. Go younger. Much younger. Don't look back.

[Vaun]

(02-04-2018 01:39 PM)astro Wrote:  

How did you expect scouting for a LTR with a 35 year old single woman to work out? You're assuaging your ego in your post. Go younger. Much younger. Don't look back.

I'm 42. There are a lot of good women at that age, I don't subscribe to the notion there are no good women over 32, or whatever it is. This just wasn't one. You're probably right about my ego, this was all about my ego. I got pretty mad about it. Felt like I overreacted in general. But from past experience, these displays of shittest are just giant displays of disrespect, especially so early on, especially on a date. But if my ego were not so invested, I could have just walked away and ghosted. Admittedly I sent some angry texts. All really dumb. My ego was tied up into this, and I let it get the best of me. Its why I posted, almost like AA.

The younger one who came over late after the date, is 28, way hotter, and does whatever I want. I constantly blow her off, break dates, flake on her, and disappear when I feel like it. But here she is texting me almost every night to come over, or to come to my place.

[treypound]

Im 35 soon to be 36 and would not seriously date any single woman near my age, knowing they are likely single bc they are batshit crazy, have kids from a prior marriage/relationship, or are "career women".

[puckerman]

(04-19-2014 10:20 PM)simonafc Wrote:  

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: Good things come to those who wait.
Me:


How would you guys respond to this?

We don't know each other well enough to talk about weight.

[Cup_Cake]

(02-06-2018 09:40 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 10:20 PM)simonafc Wrote:  

Me: Good things come to those who wait.
Her: Good things come to those who wait.
Me:


How would you guys respond to this?

We don't know each other well enough to talk about weight.

I am not sure of the context but if I am escalating and she says that, I will say that I can't wait

[Noir]

(02-04-2018 01:29 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

The shit test last night, third date...

"Don't you remember where we met?? Do you remember that Mexican place(it wasn't a Mexican place), I can't believe you forgot where we met, ya da ya da"

I wonder if maybe I am overreacting to the shittest; literally dumping a girl same night for a vibe/fun killing shittest, during a date that I am paying for. But if a girl is showing you this so early on, when you are taking her out, dump her fast. Its only downhill from there.

The whole thing got blown out of proportion but it's sweet to note how much she cares about it. Whether she cares out of an egotistical perspective or purely because you mean more to her than you thought, is a different question.

My responses (and I have had similar questions)

Me: "Ohhhh that Mexican place?"
Her: "Yeah yeah that one"
Me: "Nah I don't"

Me: "I actually don't jog my memory"
Her: "How can you not blabla"
Me: "Dear diary... Today I went on my 3rd date with Kate and she did her best impersonation of a harpy"

Just laugh and pull her in.

If she continues to give you shit, pull out the "that's ok, we can still be friends".

^ this line drives them all crazy, for a variety of reasons.

Either way, it's good that it came out now on the 3rd date but Vaun, how did you not manage to remember the venue of the 1st date, 2 dates down the line?

Do you think if you handled that differently and defused, she would come to her sense? Maybe enough to employ some behaviour reinforcement to make it clear that's not on?

I agree that it's a massive red flag, she sounds overinvested and that cannot be good. Usually when a 35 yo does that, she is hiding something which is -SMV and explains her thirst for you.

[Vaun]

(02-07-2018 04:23 AM)Noir Wrote:  

Either way, it's good that it came out now on the 3rd date but Vaun, how did you not manage to remember the venue of the 1st date, 2 dates down the line?

Do you think if you handled that differently and defused, she would come to her sense? Maybe enough to employ some behaviour reinforcement to make it clear that's not on?

I agree that it's a massive red flag, she sounds overinvested and that cannot be good. Usually when a 35 yo does that, she is hiding something which is -SMV and explains her thirst for you.

This is gold Noir, that reaction is great.

tldr: Stuck on whether I should dump during an early shittest, and why I date these older birds.

Im stuck right now; trying to justify sticking it out through early shit tests, or dumping them quick like this one. I am not interested in first date bangs, I can do that very easily and I am not that desperate for pussy. It comes my way almost everyday. I am looking to connect long(ish) term.

Call me crazy, but it almost felt rehearsed, like she wanted to catch me on something early on and call it out. She told me her exact birthdate on the first date, I thought she probably told me to test me on it later down the line. Before the outburst, she was saying something about how men are "all like this" etc, some bullshit.

I remembered the venue, but she called it a Mexican place, when it was a latin place, not Mexican. She didnt know that because shes from Pennsylvania. I frequent several Mexican bars and restaurants, and my initial reaction internally was "which one?"

I could have taken this in any direction, and I got mad. I blew up any future potential over text. That I regret, but I dont think these shit tests were from her thirst, I think she is desperately trying to qualify a "good guy", and I was the unfortunate victim. Admittedly, its a blow to my ego, that she didn't see me as high value enough, to not pull that bullshit during a date on me.

In hindsight, I was trying to play it out, to hook her. Meaning, I was going to make her fall in love with me, by holding back and not banging her early on. I have done this several times, and most girls that are with me over 3 months end up telling me they love me, without me saying anything remotely like that. The first date I didnt kiss her, and then she tried to kiss me. And then she texted me after the date and said it was an "awkward goodbye", then texted me at 4am asking if I were still out. It fucking worked. She was on her way to telling me she loved me, but the shit test just pissed me off so much, that I sent her packing early.

This girl is hot. One of the hottest 35 year olds I have ever seen. I dont know why I suffer it out with these women, but I am an older guy, 8 years her senior. I like the nice closes, nice body, well taken care of, education, etc, and sometimes they are good to be with outside the bedroom. But you can't out run a glitch in the psychology.

In hindsight I would have laughed it off, went for the bang, then pulled away by not taking her out agin ever again, at least until she proved we could enjoy another night out in public.

[Noir]

@Vaun

Completely understandable and I would assume those are the dynamics of dealing with older women. They have a shorter fuse and are more pressured by time that it manifests in their behaviour. Higher frequency of shit tests, rough around the edges and a general qualifying tone as they sift through their net of guys they caught and discard the ones who don't fit in with their ideal perception.

It's easier to change your perspective than to change others perspective of yourself -> this is what they miss and expect men to be at their beck and call. This is reinforced by their friends who are married and they apply 'marriage game' towards simple dates which are purely screening mechanisms.

You fumbled by not leading the interaction into a kiss on the first date and that probably set her hamster off thinking that she is more invested in you. Thereafter, you can expect shit tests (or compliance tests rather) where she will throw hoops for you to jump through to justify to her brain that you are as equally invested in her.

I would rather be the direct person and control the sexual energy so I am the gatekeeper instead of her because they start to become strange (malicious, holding their pussy hostage) or expectant (demanding you to work for it). Either way, it's 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

I know an older guy, around 50 who is divorced and has 2 kids. I think because he's spread his seed, he has less pressure to find a partner and he is cutthroat. He tells them outright to fuck off because he knows he has what they want (resources).

If you can communicate that non-verbally and disarm verbally when necessary, I am sure you will be able to find an appropriate woman.

As for the case above, I would next her and if she messages you, simply joke and ask her if she remembers what shoes you wore or something stupid. Its unlikely she will so you can banter with her and see if she is willing to make it up to you.

Then again, time is valuable and if you got her out on a date, you can get plenty more.

I would look for integrity over anything else. The looks will attract you into chatting them up but their integrity will keep you around.

Just my 2 (younger) cents.

[Vaun]

thanks man, here are my thoughts below.

(02-07-2018 10:35 AM)Noir Wrote:  

You fumbled by not leading the interaction into a kiss on the first date and that probably set her hamster off thinking that she is more invested in you. Thereafter, you can expect shit tests (or compliance tests rather) where she will throw hoops for you to jump through to justify to her brain that you are as equally invested in her.

I was leading the interaction, by not touching or kissing her. When I went to kiss her on the cheek at the end of the date she twisted her face around to try and kiss me on the lips. It was actually funny. She was expecting me to make out with her.

I know its totally contrary to whats espoused here. But I dont need a first date bang. Pussy isn't a precious, finite commodity for me. They are very easy. Its way easier to kiss. I make out with girls all the time. If I went out more it would be several per night/day. I dont need that. I'll escalate slightly on the second date, then fully on the third date.

Im more interested in really hooking a girl. You do that by holding back. Not "being the sexual instigator". You have to make her think she wants it more than you do. This is game. Everyone dating wants quick sex, men and women. I want to hook a highly attractive good woman, preferably for life. Every guy will try for quick sex, thats not game, those are tactics for sexless guys. Guys that don't jump at attractive girls, set themselves apart. Be the different guy. Let her make the first move. This one asked me to kiss her. She could qualify as an 8+ easily here.

The more I think about it, the less I believe she was malicious with the test. Im just a hot tempered dick head, I could have easily played this. This is a beautiful girl that has not made it work doctors and millionaires. And she cant figure out that it most likely has something to do with her charming personality. Nature can be a bitch too.

(02-07-2018 10:35 AM)Noir Wrote:  

I would look for integrity over anything else. The looks will attract you into chatting them up but their integrity will keep you around.

Thats me too. I am only looking for a flexible giver, with high integrity. Thanks for the input.