Datasheet: Pick-up Russian style or my view on differences and similarities of Western and Russian game.
Introduction:
As my native language is Russian and originally I come from Eastern European country, I have started getting my first pick-up knowledge from Russian speaking resources.
After I encountered American and UK schools of game I switched my attention solely to English speaking resources including this forum.
Although you can clearly see that idea of pick-up even the name "пикап, пикаппер" (pick-up and a player) come from west, there are many differences. Every time I come back to Russia or Ukraine I am forced to open Russian speaking youtube channels and Russian speaking pick-up forums to refresh my knowledge on these subtle differences.
Disclaimer:
I am in no way Russian or international pick up expert or guru. This post will be my personal view on differences between these two.
This post will be especially useful for those who are speaking or starting to speak some Russian and are planning to game in Russia (you will also benefit from it in Ukraine and Belarus with only minor discrepancies)
Differences and similarities:
As I have already mentioned before there are visible traces of pick-up coming from west to east. Some pick up terms like LTR LMR TFN and multiple others are even used without translation (ЛТР ЛМР ТФН). Which from Russian speaker point of view makes pick-up look like some sort of science (but we all know it is more of an art). Western media on game, books are generally more profound and are more into detail. You can pretty much disregard most of the Russian speaking PU literature as it is most of the times just a translation of western books, sometimes word by word. Russian pickup community seems to be split in 2 extremes: part of people are concerned with practical side only. Less concentrated on inner game and more on outer game.
The other part of people are digging deep into stuff like NLP hypnosis and other weird shit. I guess none of these too are good. Look for golden mean.
While most of the information provided in Russian is lagging 10 years behind and you can disregard most of the written stuff, there are still a lot of really good Russian PUAs on youtube. I doubt they have read any books and probably just developed a natural style of their own. I have learned a lot on daygame from them. Look for channel "vse tvoi" (all girls are yours) on youtube. This guy is great. What is important to notice is that he is humorous, but yet always solid and strong. I guess this is a cornerstone of game in Russia. Making jokes but maintaining a dominant frame. Check his earlier videos, as lately he has become more income oriented, and stopped dropping as much knowledge as before.
Then there is that forum thread which has influenced me greatly. Actually after reading this thread it was the first moment I believed that pick up is real and not just a tool to get money from guys.
For those of you who understand Russian
http://www.pickupforum.ru/index.html?showtopic=173730
Even through the words you can see how solid this guy is. He still makes jokes, but it seems like it has to be done without smile on your face.
Another thing is that Russian pickup mainly concentrated on daygame. Most PUA's completely ignore night game as girls in nightclubs act artificial and you can not run your best game in dark loud environments. I have also noticed some resentment to alcohol. As if there is some secret code of conduct where using alcohol is not cool.
At some forums on game when writing lay reports many guys specifically mention amount of money spent on each girl/lay. So the perfect example being: you met a girl doing daygame and had a quick lay without spending any money or drinking any alcohol. Only then your game is good.
Another thing I have never encountered in English speaking sources is discussing of how to end a short term relationship with a girl in such a way, so she is damaged as little as possible for a future guys to come after you. Although this seems funny, and beta, I think it makes a lot of sense in preventing pussy paradise loss
There are some funny acronyms of Russian forums on game. As they are full of guys who were dumped by girls. (it is commonly known Russian girls are often on a lookout for possible improvement) So there are a lot of threads that consist of single guys looking on how to get their girl back (we have quite a few of these here too). Getting a girl back rarely works.
There is a funny technique that I've encountered. It is called T10b (трахни 10 баб, trahni 10 bab or in English F10b fuck 10 b**ches). It is simple, yet it makes sense. Fuck 10 girls, and then come back for more advice if you still need any.
A lot more attention is devoted to phone calling game. When to call, how to call, and what to say. Not much attention to texting. Texting is a US thing and although it is spreading texting is considered by some as childish and not serious (remember you have to be serious as a man). I have quite s few datasheets still stored on my phone on calling in Russian Language from various Russian forums. I will nit include them here but for those speaking any Russian PM me.
There is a lot of attention on how to avoid ДОД (давай останемся друзьями, DOD davaj ostanemsya druz'yami, LJBF lets just be friends) situation. Never seen similar terms here.
Another thing is known as trehsvidanka (трехсвиданка). Common routine of aiming for 3 short dates, sometimes a long phone call can substitute a date, and then go for it. It is a safe and lazy way of doing it. The reason for most beginner to stick to it is that a lot of Russian girls have some sort of self imposed rules of no sex on a first date, and cold and disciplined as they are at time you are not able to go pass it. 3 short dates will not take much time but will create a lot of comfort.
So some of the girls are disciplined and if she had decided she will not kiss on a first date, she wont, unless you have some amazing game.
That's why on Russian forums you can read about different techniques to overcome this. One is крышеснос (krishesnos) can be literally translated as "roof blower". When you basically create some sort of mad surprise for the girl to get her mind blown, so for a moment she loses her caution, and you can do whatever you want with her. Never tried those, as some of them are hard to pull or are too beta. For example getting someone to give you a flower when she does not see it, and hand it to girl thus getting her astonished, and then you go for the kiss. Many things can work this way, a dinner on a rooftop of apartment block with a violinist? Bath with candles and rose petals. Beta? Definitely. Will it get you laid? Most likely yes, if you combine it with alpha behavior.
My conclusion:
Main difference from Russian and western game in my opinion is strength. Man has to be masculine, strong and serious. You can still make jokes, but you can not be a clown, laugh without a smile on your face (joke). Lower energy game. No rapid movements. Strong eye contact.
No RSDTyler style shouting "hey you" in a nosy voice. You will not be taken seriously. You have to have energy but it has to be kind of passive.
I have seen a video of VitalySD (famous youtube vloger who does all sorts of pranks and prank pickups). He normally does very well collecting numbers in US while pranking. He tried to do the same in Moscow and he failed utterly. Although he is an ethnic Russian from Ukraine, and speaks fluent Russian. Girls were literally running away from him.
P.S. These were my 2 cents. I am far from being an expert (yet) so my main goal is to start a conversation on subject of gaming in Russian speaking countries. Please add on top and contradict any of my beliefs freely.
Vinny
Introduction:
As my native language is Russian and originally I come from Eastern European country, I have started getting my first pick-up knowledge from Russian speaking resources.
After I encountered American and UK schools of game I switched my attention solely to English speaking resources including this forum.
Although you can clearly see that idea of pick-up even the name "пикап, пикаппер" (pick-up and a player) come from west, there are many differences. Every time I come back to Russia or Ukraine I am forced to open Russian speaking youtube channels and Russian speaking pick-up forums to refresh my knowledge on these subtle differences.
Disclaimer:
I am in no way Russian or international pick up expert or guru. This post will be my personal view on differences between these two.
This post will be especially useful for those who are speaking or starting to speak some Russian and are planning to game in Russia (you will also benefit from it in Ukraine and Belarus with only minor discrepancies)
Differences and similarities:
As I have already mentioned before there are visible traces of pick-up coming from west to east. Some pick up terms like LTR LMR TFN and multiple others are even used without translation (ЛТР ЛМР ТФН). Which from Russian speaker point of view makes pick-up look like some sort of science (but we all know it is more of an art). Western media on game, books are generally more profound and are more into detail. You can pretty much disregard most of the Russian speaking PU literature as it is most of the times just a translation of western books, sometimes word by word. Russian pickup community seems to be split in 2 extremes: part of people are concerned with practical side only. Less concentrated on inner game and more on outer game.
The other part of people are digging deep into stuff like NLP hypnosis and other weird shit. I guess none of these too are good. Look for golden mean.
While most of the information provided in Russian is lagging 10 years behind and you can disregard most of the written stuff, there are still a lot of really good Russian PUAs on youtube. I doubt they have read any books and probably just developed a natural style of their own. I have learned a lot on daygame from them. Look for channel "vse tvoi" (all girls are yours) on youtube. This guy is great. What is important to notice is that he is humorous, but yet always solid and strong. I guess this is a cornerstone of game in Russia. Making jokes but maintaining a dominant frame. Check his earlier videos, as lately he has become more income oriented, and stopped dropping as much knowledge as before.
Then there is that forum thread which has influenced me greatly. Actually after reading this thread it was the first moment I believed that pick up is real and not just a tool to get money from guys.
For those of you who understand Russian
http://www.pickupforum.ru/index.html?showtopic=173730
Even through the words you can see how solid this guy is. He still makes jokes, but it seems like it has to be done without smile on your face.
Another thing is that Russian pickup mainly concentrated on daygame. Most PUA's completely ignore night game as girls in nightclubs act artificial and you can not run your best game in dark loud environments. I have also noticed some resentment to alcohol. As if there is some secret code of conduct where using alcohol is not cool.
At some forums on game when writing lay reports many guys specifically mention amount of money spent on each girl/lay. So the perfect example being: you met a girl doing daygame and had a quick lay without spending any money or drinking any alcohol. Only then your game is good.
Another thing I have never encountered in English speaking sources is discussing of how to end a short term relationship with a girl in such a way, so she is damaged as little as possible for a future guys to come after you. Although this seems funny, and beta, I think it makes a lot of sense in preventing pussy paradise loss
There are some funny acronyms of Russian forums on game. As they are full of guys who were dumped by girls. (it is commonly known Russian girls are often on a lookout for possible improvement) So there are a lot of threads that consist of single guys looking on how to get their girl back (we have quite a few of these here too). Getting a girl back rarely works.
There is a funny technique that I've encountered. It is called T10b (трахни 10 баб, trahni 10 bab or in English F10b fuck 10 b**ches). It is simple, yet it makes sense. Fuck 10 girls, and then come back for more advice if you still need any.
A lot more attention is devoted to phone calling game. When to call, how to call, and what to say. Not much attention to texting. Texting is a US thing and although it is spreading texting is considered by some as childish and not serious (remember you have to be serious as a man). I have quite s few datasheets still stored on my phone on calling in Russian Language from various Russian forums. I will nit include them here but for those speaking any Russian PM me.
There is a lot of attention on how to avoid ДОД (давай останемся друзьями, DOD davaj ostanemsya druz'yami, LJBF lets just be friends) situation. Never seen similar terms here.
Another thing is known as trehsvidanka (трехсвиданка). Common routine of aiming for 3 short dates, sometimes a long phone call can substitute a date, and then go for it. It is a safe and lazy way of doing it. The reason for most beginner to stick to it is that a lot of Russian girls have some sort of self imposed rules of no sex on a first date, and cold and disciplined as they are at time you are not able to go pass it. 3 short dates will not take much time but will create a lot of comfort.
So some of the girls are disciplined and if she had decided she will not kiss on a first date, she wont, unless you have some amazing game.
That's why on Russian forums you can read about different techniques to overcome this. One is крышеснос (krishesnos) can be literally translated as "roof blower". When you basically create some sort of mad surprise for the girl to get her mind blown, so for a moment she loses her caution, and you can do whatever you want with her. Never tried those, as some of them are hard to pull or are too beta. For example getting someone to give you a flower when she does not see it, and hand it to girl thus getting her astonished, and then you go for the kiss. Many things can work this way, a dinner on a rooftop of apartment block with a violinist? Bath with candles and rose petals. Beta? Definitely. Will it get you laid? Most likely yes, if you combine it with alpha behavior.
My conclusion:
Main difference from Russian and western game in my opinion is strength. Man has to be masculine, strong and serious. You can still make jokes, but you can not be a clown, laugh without a smile on your face (joke). Lower energy game. No rapid movements. Strong eye contact.
No RSDTyler style shouting "hey you" in a nosy voice. You will not be taken seriously. You have to have energy but it has to be kind of passive.
I have seen a video of VitalySD (famous youtube vloger who does all sorts of pranks and prank pickups). He normally does very well collecting numbers in US while pranking. He tried to do the same in Moscow and he failed utterly. Although he is an ethnic Russian from Ukraine, and speaks fluent Russian. Girls were literally running away from him.
P.S. These were my 2 cents. I am far from being an expert (yet) so my main goal is to start a conversation on subject of gaming in Russian speaking countries. Please add on top and contradict any of my beliefs freely.
Vinny