[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

(12-30-2018 07:07 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

Also, I believe that if you're not the man to take your wife's virginity, in a way she will never completely belong to you. The man who took your wife's virginity (and any other men who have banged her) will always own a part of her soul.

I would totally agree with you and I've been thinking a lot about this.

But imagine if you were with a nice virgin girl and opened her diary book from her teenage years and found out that she had been dreaming and had fantasies about sleeping with anoter particular man. She wrote how she stalked him on social media, look through his photos and had a desperate need to just suck this guy's dick, swallow his juice, get mouthfucked and banged in the ass by him and become his property.

By accident, I just happened to listen to a podcast for younger women the other day where they discussed how they would choose Justin Bieber of their own boyfriends if they could. Most were honest. And I mean, how will you ever be able to compete with that. Most virgins will have had a teenage crush too.

Would that feel better than a chick who had slept with 3 beta dudes where there was no question whatsoever that you were the best man she's ever been with and ever had a crush on?

My point is that I start to realize it's a fantasy to believe a woman won't have fantasies and attraction for other men who own a little part of her soul. Most good examples of decent married women we see probably don't dream about their man anyway when they're fingering themselves but to the dick of a famous rich celeb.

[RawGod]

I think the obsession with virgins is a protective measure so that we can continue to hold on to the idea that there is a perfect, unspoiled girl out there - or there should be but this degenerate society prevents her from staying "pure". There are no perfect women out there, virgin or not. Women are not spoiled by losing their virginity. It's all in your head.

[moneyshot]

(12-30-2018 08:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

I think the obsession with virgins is a protective measure so that we can continue to hold on to the idea that there is a perfect, unspoiled girl out there - or there should be but this degenerate society prevents her from staying "pure". There are no perfect women out there, virgin or not. Women are not spoiled by losing their virginity. It's all in your head.

There is definitely some truth to the "guy (OR girl) you lost your virginity to will forever be a part of your sexual memories, however small" bit, though. I mean, the girl I lost my virginity to was an absolute pro at sex, but despite the fact that she's a fat cumrag with a revolting personality I'm never gonna forget about her completely.

[Built to Fade]

(12-29-2018 10:57 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

The biggest challenge for men who choose to marry isn't in the choice of the woman, it's the influence that a corrupt society has on the woman.

(12-29-2018 10:31 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

At some point, a girl has to DECIDE to be a good woman. She must consciously resist the cock .

That's probably a tough task for a lot of women since it requires them to do the following three things consciously:

1. Discern the difference between truth and delusion
2. Take responsibility and be made accountable for their actions
3. Genuinely learn from their experiences
   

Many women (and "soyboys") either don't understand this or won't admit this. Their NPC thought processes will be their indefinite stumbling block.

(12-08-2018 07:20 AM)Built to Fade Wrote:  

I understand that this means filtering out many women (as well as numerous "soyboys").

(12-30-2018 07:46 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

This story black pills me. I feel paralyzed and unable to move while staring down into the abyss. Society is dysfunctional beyond words ...

... I've recently been to developing countries in Eastern Europe and I've noticed being poor doesn't stop women from being degenerate mothers like this. They leave their man at a young age because "he was abusive" and get on the cock & just lie about being single moms. What amazes me most is they are poor af but still manage to find money to fund clothes, make up and even towards some plastic surgery (lips, nose, breasts, ass, in that order).

(12-30-2018 07:46 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I need to take a small break from rvf ⛵☹⛈

Don't tempt me. ⚡⚡⚡☹⛵⛰⛺⛈⚡⚡⚡

_______________________________________________
"We had a beautiful magic love there. What a sad, beautiful, tragic love affair." "It was rare, I was there, I remember it all too well." #260

[PetiteMinded]

Virgins lol. You lot obviously never had any if you think they are the keepers, the ones to love and care for your kids. "our" society will make sure that these "virgins" WILL feel undone

Go for the 28yo just above average lookin one that rode 340 cocks but is still fertile for 5 or so years. Start a family man

[monsquid]

Everyone has to settle at some of. Being able to compromise is what sets us apart from animals. Finding a woman who has enough smarts to compromise and commit to life together, that's the real challenge. Having some lessons learned is almost a requirement. And we're not perfect either.

[moneyshot]

(12-30-2018 10:14 AM)PetiteMinded Wrote:  

Virgins lol. You lot obviously never had any if you think they are the keepers, the ones to love and care for your kids. "our" society will make sure that these "virgins" WILL feel undone

Go for the 28yo just above average lookin one that rode 340 cocks but is still fertile for 5 or so years. Start a family man

You first, beta cuck.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(12-30-2018 08:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

I think the obsession with virgins is a protective measure so that we can continue to hold on to the idea that there is a perfect, unspoiled girl out there - or there should be but this degenerate society prevents her from staying "pure". There are no perfect women out there, virgin or not. Women are not spoiled by losing their virginity. It's all in your head.

I think it has its basis in biology, like women's preference for height. The reason I think this is because men's preference for virgins seems to cross cultural and religious lines, just like women's preference for height (and resources/money, for that matter).

The question is why. It's probably a protective measure on the part of men to assure a better life for the offspring. Women who have been with a lot of men are more likely to be a flight risk and not stick around, therefore damaging the lives of the kids.

Statistics on divorce bear this out. The more partners a woman has, the more likely divorce is. Below are some sources for this info. Even the commies at the Atlantic seem to agree.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi...ss/573493/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic...VORCE.html

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/09/...bad-wives/

[redpillage]

(12-30-2018 01:54 AM)Jozi Wrote:  

You won't ever get a young, beautiful, virgin wife who will stay loyal and cherish you for the rest of your life. It's a fantasy, just like getting a tall, well hung reformed player and maximum alpha male billionaire is for a woman. And if you aren't the latter, you certainly don't deserve the first.

So what it really comes down to is what you can settle for. You are far from perfect and so your wife will be far from perfect as well.

Personally I have come to realize that I will just get a relatively non-slutty girl who is reasonably agreeable. Have her pump out a baby or two. In the meantime I will have sex with other women until our relationship has become so unbearable that we'll separate/divorce, and then it's time for the next one.

This has been the natural cycle forever and it's the way it will always be. That girl we have in our minds is nothing but a mirage, just as we are to women. Perfection is out of reach and happiness in the human, spiritual and material world is always fleeting. All we can do is accept it and make the best of it.

Look mate, it's one thing to settle for a 7 or 8 if you've dreamed of nailing a 9 or 10. It's another to marry your cutie high school sweetheart virgin and watch her transform into a tatted Instagram whore.

I didn't settle and neither should you. Always make it clear that you are willing to walk away from the deal if immutable rules are being broken. Reg. children: this is why men traditionally married younger woman. With some life experience you make better choices and don't marry as a teenager without having a clue on how to keep that bitch in check.

[redpillage]

(12-30-2018 08:19 AM)Super Average Man Wrote:  

Ultimately I decided not to pursue a relationship with her, the primary reason being that I knew she was looking to marry someone and I didn't want to marry a non-virgin. To this day I wonder if I didn't make the wrong decision bailing on this girl. I also feel I basically alpha widowed her, because she still texts me. Sure, she wasn't my ideal, but when it comes to marriage and kids, what's really important is whether the woman will be a good mom, a good wife, etc.

[redpillage]

(12-30-2018 08:54 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 07:07 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

Also, I believe that if you're not the man to take your wife's virginity, in a way she will never completely belong to you. The man who took your wife's virginity (and any other men who have banged her) will always own a part of her soul.

I would totally agree with you and I've been thinking a lot about this.

But imagine if you were with a nice virgin girl and opened her diary book from her teenage years and found out that she had been dreaming and had fantasies about sleeping with anoter particular man. She wrote how she stalked him on social media, look through his photos and had a desperate need to just suck this guy's dick, swallow his juice, get mouthfucked and banged in the ass by him and become his property.

By accident, I just happened to listen to a podcast for younger women the other day where they discussed how they would choose Justin Bieber of their own boyfriends if they could. Most were honest. And I mean, how will you ever be able to compete with that. Most virgins will have had a teenage crush too.

Would that feel better than a chick who had slept with 3 beta dudes where there was no question whatsoever that you were the best man she's ever been with and ever had a crush on?

My point is that I start to realize it's a fantasy to believe a woman won't have fantasies and attraction for other men who own a little part of her soul. Most good examples of decent married women we see probably don't dream about their man anyway when they're fingering themselves but to the dick of a famous rich celeb.

The main problem Western men face in the 21st century is that the past three generations of women have been utterly and irrevocably corrupted by the MSM and in particular by social media.

Repudiation of this obvious fact does not relieve us of its consequence, which is that securing a traditional long term relationship and creating a healthy family has become near to impossible.

This cannot be fixed by incremental social changes. It's a simple question of supply and demand as the primary social needs of women are effectively beyond our control and out of our reach now. What needs to happen is a complete evisceration of the system that has produced the current state of affairs.

[Garuda]

(12-30-2018 02:48 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

Face it fellas, you aren't getting a true young virgin anywhere in the first world unless you yourself are 15-19 because that's the only age group legit virgins naturally fuck with.

Amish men are lucky even if their wives turn out to be their third cousins.

Note the location of the Instagram posts is Vancouver, BC. The man could have reduced the risks by looking for women a province or two east.

[Roosh]

(12-30-2018 07:07 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

Quote:

What's interesting is the body language of the daughter. She is facing away from the mother. She knows mommy destroyed the family.

In spite of this case, I rather settle down with a virgin than a girl who has been with men. A possible ideal is a girl who made a couple "mistakes" and realized she does not want the promiscuous lifestyle. At some point, a girl has to DECIDE to be a good woman. She must consciously resist the cock carousel.

Roosh, seruously?

I would totally understand if you said you wanted a virgin, but that you were willing to settle for a woman who has been with a few men because virgins are simply so hard to find in this day and age.

But are you saying that you believe a girl who has been with a few men is actually preferable to a virgin (because a virgin "won't know what she's missing" and will therefore be sexually curious about other men, whereas a girl who has already been with a few men will be less likely to cheat because she "already had her fun," "is ready to settle down," and "knows what she wants (i.e. monogamy")?

Calm down. You missed the point I was making because you're too stuck in your own head about the necessity of finding a virgin.

I was stating that finding a girl with few notches (less than 5) and who actively resists the promiscuous lifestyle is better than a virgin who hasn't yet been tempted and will likely end up like the girl in the original post who destroys your family. The ideal is to find a virgin who has been tempted and resisted. After that is a girl with few notches who succumbed to some temptation but then resisted. Finding a virgin out of luck or circumstance (i.e. one who hasn't yet been tempted) is like dealing with a black box. You have no idea what you will get when she is tempted with men, attention, options, etc.

[asdfk]

^this

Girls who married their first are often easy targets..

[Rob Banks]

(12-30-2018 08:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

I think the obsession with virgins is a protective measure so that we can continue to hold on to the idea that there is a perfect, unspoiled girl out there - or there should be but this degenerate society prevents her from staying "pure". There are no perfect women out there, virgin or not. Women are not spoiled by losing their virginity. It's all in your head.

Serioulsy? "Obsession" with virgins?

So throughout almost all of human civilized history, it was unacceptable to most men to even consider marrying a non-virgin. This was the case in the stone ages, in Biblical times, in the middle ages, in Victorian England, etc.

I guess the men in all those ancient and medieval societies were just too corrupted by "patriarchy" and too "obsessed" with virginity to see the "truth" (i.e. that virginity isn't really important and men shouldn't be judgmental of a woman's promiscuity).

Just because a man wants a virgin doesn't mean he has to worship her and/or believe she is "perfect." And just because a man wants to start a family but recognizes that no woman is perfect doesn't mean he has to be okay with committing to a used woman.

Of course no woman is "perfect." No man is "perfect" either. There are still significant (biologically-driven) reasons why men have pretty much always preferred to marry virgins ever since the beginning of time.

[Rob Banks]

(12-30-2018 01:15 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 07:07 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

Quote:

What's interesting is the body language of the daughter. She is facing away from the mother. She knows mommy destroyed the family.

In spite of this case, I rather settle down with a virgin than a girl who has been with men. A possible ideal is a girl who made a couple "mistakes" and realized she does not want the promiscuous lifestyle. At some point, a girl has to DECIDE to be a good woman. She must consciously resist the cock carousel.

Roosh, seruously?

I would totally understand if you said you wanted a virgin, but that you were willing to settle for a woman who has been with a few men because virgins are simply so hard to find in this day and age.

But are you saying that you believe a girl who has been with a few men is actually preferable to a virgin (because a virgin "won't know what she's missing" and will therefore be sexually curious about other men, whereas a girl who has already been with a few men will be less likely to cheat because she "already had her fun," "is ready to settle down," and "knows what she wants (i.e. monogamy")?

Calm down. You missed the point I was making because you're too stuck in your own head about the necessity of finding a virgin.

I was stating that finding a girl with few notches (less than 5) and who actively resists the promiscuous lifestyle is better than a virgin who hasn't yet been tempted and will likely end up like the girl in the original post who destroys your family. The ideal is to find a virgin who has been tempted and resisted. After that is a girl with few notches who succumbed to some temptation but then resisted. Finding a virgin out of luck or circumstance (i.e. one who hasn't yet been tempted) is like dealing with a black box. You have no idea what you will get when she is tempted with men, attention, options, etc.

First of all, I already have a wife who I've been with for over 9 years. So I'm not "stuck in my head about the necessity of finding a virgin."

I get what you're saying. You would rather be with a woman who has been tempted into riding the cock carousel and resisted the lifestyle (even if she did ride a dick every now and then) than a virgin who has just never been tempted.

However, I disagree with this. Or at least I would personally take the virgin who has never been tempted over the 2-3 notch girl who has been tempted and resisted.

For me, it is just a visceral reaction I have. I would not be able to imagine my wife or girlfriend taking another man's dick and just be okay with it. I guess you can say I am being too emotional and not logical enough, but I think when you're looking for a wife, you can't just use logic and throw emotion out the window. If I were to marry a woman who has taken other men's dicks before, I would always resent her a little for it. I wouldn't be able to just "get over it." Given the choice, I would take the girl who has never had a cock in her any day of the week.

Additionally, I don't think that just because a girl has never been "tempted" (i.e. exposed to the degenerate lifestyle) necessarily means that she will eventually get exposed to it and become a slut. In fact, I think if a girl has never been exposed to degeneracy in her life (i.e. never had to "resist temptation" before), it might just be because her father did a good job sheltering her and making sure she never had to face situations like that.

Also, I don't think it is necessary for a girl to actually get a taste of the cock carousel in order to realize she doesn't want that lifestyle. A girl can resist that lifestyle from a distance, without ever having to indulge in it at all.

[RatInTheWoods]

(12-30-2018 01:54 AM)Jozi Wrote:  

Personally I have come to realize that I will just get a relatively non-slutty girl who is reasonably agreeable. Have her pump out a baby or two. In the meantime I will have sex with other women until our relationship has become so unbearable that we'll separate/divorce, and then it's time for the next one.

This has been the natural cycle forever and it's the way it will always be. That girl we have in our minds is nothing but a mirage, just as we are to women. Perfection is out of reach and happiness in the human, spiritual and material world is always fleeting. All we can do is accept it and make the best of it.

Fuck me, pardon me while I go open a vein.

[Rob Banks]

(12-30-2018 01:54 AM)Jozi Wrote:  

Personally I have come to realize that I will just get a relatively non-slutty girl who is reasonably agreeable. Have her pump out a baby or two. In the meantime I will have sex with other women until our relationship has become so unbearable that we'll separate/divorce, and then it's time for the next one.

This has been the natural cycle forever and it's the way it will always be. That girl we have in our minds is nothing but a mirage, just as we are to women. Perfection is out of reach and happiness in the human, spiritual and material world is always fleeting. All we can do is accept it and make the best of it.

So you're saying you would purposely have a kid while having no hope that you will stay together with the kid's mother and being 100% sure that the kid will be raised in a broken family?

And you say this is "natural" and "it's the way it will always be?" I have to disagree. Throughout the vast majority of human history, intact families were considered the norm, and were expected. Broken families were stigmatized and frowned upon, not accepted as part of some "natural cycle."

[BlastbeatCasanova]

Good luck finding a virgin unless you plan on becoming a Mormon. I can deal with a chick having a few sexual experiences before me, it’s 2018 for fucks sake. Maybe I’m not as worried about it as I should be.

[Hypugamy]

(12-30-2018 03:41 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 10:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

She probably started hanging out with divorced women, that or she was told by coworkers that she needed to get on the carousel.

This. It's a great thing to wife a young vrigin and hve her bear your kids, but you gotta keep her away from toxic WOMEN. i.e. ones that aren't married with kids. Basically, you gotta take out into a community with other families like each other, keep wifi and data off cellphones and just block all social media, hell maybe give her two more kids to keep her busy.

Women HATE each other, especially if they fail at their bioloical imperative, having children when they are at their most fertile. These women will try to bring the "winning" ones down to their level. Misery loves company.

So this is much less "awalt even if virgin" and more lack of wisdom on the husband and his parent's part to give him the balls to lead his wife away from toxic women.

Even if she was in her 30's, she could see poison like this on TV and it reinforces the message that getting a divorce leads to a glamorous lifestyle, even for a post-wall woman.

[Heuristics]

We're getting to the heart of an interesting meta-debate that has being going on in the PUA community, traditionalist/ conservative communities, and civilization for thousands of years. There is likely no easy answer, and the debate will continue.

The Maddona/Whore complex affects too many man-- many men that are otherwise highly rational thinkers who instead of resorting to cultural programming use solid evidence and observation to form their opinions. Why doesn’t it happen with this issue? Probably because men are resorting to their feelings and biases instead of evidence and knowledge of human nature.

Without going too deeply there are several characteristics of men and women that are obvious and can be backed up by solid evidence: a) women have less sexual drive then men, b) infidelity has always been an issue even in conservative societies, the reason you don't hear about it is because it was taboo to talk about. It still happened. c) instant gratification has permeated the lifestyles/ value systems of both men and women… Ask yourself how ok you are with pumping and dumping. Why is that? Do you bear some responsibility for your behavior? Of course you do, but in many ways you are only as good as your programming. If your programming is bad, you should get better programming. You should make yourself a stand up man, rather than following a corrupted crowd.

While more women in the past were indeed virgins, we had more community-oriented societies, both men and women were married younger, there was less tolerance of degeneracy, and people didn’t live as long. This was a time before women were in the workforce, and it was a time when many men died in wars or in hard industrial jobs.

If a woman is not in Utah, an Amish farm, or Saudi Arabia, there is really little hope of her engaging in a non-promiscuous lifestyle at some point, virgin (currently) or not. Society will tempt women, and that’s something we’re going to have to live with. There is little difference from a virgin who has not yet been exposed to corruption, but who will be, and a woman who participated ever so slightly in modern society butt then turned away from its less desirable parts. The virgin, and the low notch count conservative girl will be in the same place at some point in their lives.

Most men can’t handle a virgin because they have weak frames and probably have poor moral character that prevents them from seeing the long-term picture. Men want it both ways, but life is full of tradeoffs—any non-delusional self-aware person will tell you that.

Ultimately I prefer dealing with known variables rather than taking a gamble on a virgin who’s future is very uncertain given the direction society is heading, and also because anything can happen. I still hold up the virgin as an ideal, but we live in the real world, and I can’t control to a high degree the conditions around me. Short of having a compound in Utah and converting to Mormonism, there is little I can do.

With globalization however, men have more choices than ever, and probably more choices than women. This is simply because men take more risks than women. It’s in our DNA, and if you are unsatisfied with quality of women you’re dealing with, notch counts, you can make changes. Some of which are easy, some of which are hard.

What if men overcame their thirst, and instead of banging sloots, strengthened society with their achievements and character and THOT patrolled all the hoes, creating their own families rather than turning to base urges? Sure maybe it’s utopian thinking, but I have hope.

I leave you with something you should probably reflect on, before considering a unicorn virgin that won't divorce you and pop out at least 3 kids, satisfy your sex needs, cook and clean, and not spout feminist nonsense:

[Rob Banks]

(12-30-2018 06:17 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  

Good luck finding a virgin unless you plan on becoming a Mormon. I can deal with a chick having a few sexual experiences before me, it’s 2018 for fucks sake. Maybe I’m not as worried about it as I should be.

"It's the current year! Get with the times and learn to be more 'progressive'! Let go of your outdated moralizing and just let girls have 'fun'!"

As if all this "current year" bullshit, progressivism, and "fun" weren't the reasons society is in this sexually degenerate mess to begin with.

I fail to see your reasoning when you claim that it being the current year somehow means that it should be easier for men to go against their hard-wired nature and be more accepting of women who have had other men's cocks inside them.

[The Catalyst]

Honestly I don't understand what's with the heated debate and hostility. I believe in live and let live. Let guys who want to get hitched with sluts do so and let guys who want to have a successful family do so also.

[Aszhaeleos]

(12-30-2018 06:17 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  

Good luck finding a virgin unless you plan on becoming a Mormon. I can deal with a chick having a few sexual experiences before me, it’s 2018 for fucks sake. Maybe I’m not as worried about it as I should be.

[JackinMelbourne]

(12-30-2018 10:14 AM)PetiteMinded Wrote:  

Virgins lol. You lot obviously never had any if you think they are the keepers, the ones to love and care for your kids. "our" society will make sure that these "virgins" WILL feel undone

STORY TIME

Back in my teens I bagged myself a legit virgin, it was a true love sort of thing. We went out for a while and got to know each other very well and there were plenty of "good times". Here's the red pill part: One day I pretended to be someone else on the internet chat room that we both used and decided to give her a little test, totally random out of the blue for fun. Did the whole sex chat thing, got her number and even made plans to meet up that same day. That day I learned.