[Mercenary]

(01-01-2018 07:05 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

It's the Zionists' world: we're just living in it. Make your peace with it.

I respect you, your intelligence, and your rep, but thoughts like this above are pure slave mentality.

(((They))) might have power in too many areas of our lives to count, but it doen't mean it will always be (or stay) that way.
Key here, is when enough men break out of the slave mindset.

[Guitarman]

The Iranian protests are VERY different from what happened in Iraq, Lybia and (nearly, phew!) Syria. Those were all hard man secular regimes leading arab countries and holding down the Islamic (Sunni/ Whahabi/Salafist based) terrorist oppressors.

In Iran we have a hard-man Islamic revolutionist (terrorist- albeit Shia) regime oppressing an overwhelmingly non-arab (Aryan actually!) population who want to be westernised in the sense of being a capitalist, free and a culturally almost Mediterranean country (yes, including wine!!).

I don't see an Iranian people's revolution being much of a problem to the west. I see an Iranian revolution leading to elections, democracy, massive economic growth, wealth, oil and gas exports, the abandoning of the head scarf and to Iran being a major future tourist destination (and poosey paradise!) Certainly, proud Shia Persians will have no tolerance for Arab, wahabi/Salafist ISIS/ Al Quaeda scumbags.

And I say all this having known a few proud Persians here in the UK.

[kbell]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/watch-b...-iranians/

Watch Bill Kristol rage about being called out for wanting to bomb Iran.

[Enoch]

(01-02-2018 12:07 PM)Horus Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 11:53 AM)Enoch Wrote:  

When they finally reach the US we then implement "Burkas 4 Bikinis", the other pillar of my middle-east immigration platform.

You'll also need to implement a comprehensive body hair removal program running parallel to that platform if it's to be palatable to the general public. Otherwise we could be in for a nasty surprise when the first burkas come off.

that's fine. The one thing I've never refused to buy a woman is a brazilian.

I would support a welfare program where each female in the USA 18+ can get a free Brazilian once a month (preferably after she finishes menstruating)

[AManLikePutin]

Some updates:

- Protests continued today, though for a few hours the internet connection was almost completely off, but now clips of last night's protests are circling online. Several people shot, in one city, the police car basically ramming into group of protesters...then armed forces getting off it and start shooting.

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- I saw many videos of protests in Karaj (a city very close to Tehran)...some chants included: "Crown prince where are you? when are you going to save us?"

- Reza Pahlavi (Crown Prince) is having an interview with Manoto tomorrow noon (9PM Tehran time) I believe (a very popular Iranian satellite channel). Will be fascinating if he actually takes an official stance and attempts to lead. He's always said it's the people that should ask for me, but now with the current chants...well, we'll see !

- Sadly, terrorist islamo-marxist group MKO is spreading propaganda online, attaching their "symbol" to top of protest videos and spreading them as if the protesters are their fans. This IS a terrorist group (the equivalent of "Moderate Rebels"), and I was so disappointed that Fox News covered their gathering in front of White House and had a photo of one of their leaders in a recent article as if they are the face of the "Resistance". Everybody absolutely hate these guys. I hope they don't get any recognition or nothing from Media. They worked HAND IN HAND with Islamists in the 70s for the initial revolution. The leader is this fucking woman. FUCK THEM...AND their stolen video (with added mark up) is shown by AL-ARABIYAH (Saudi tv channel). Coincidence ?? NOT !...not to mention they fought alongside Saddam against Iran during the war.



- This is some of the scare tactics IRGC and Basij use, when attacking protestors:

[url=https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/948222873415639040]

- Nikki Lena read out some of the chants people were saying.

Speaking of Reza, I think one of the reasons he's been relatively quiet for years is that he fears for safety of his 3 daughters, two of whom live in Europe if I'm not mistaken. The regime has a track record of assassinating its enemies and their families abroad. Speaking of his daughters, here are the 2 older ones (both around 25)

[kamoz]

(01-02-2018 03:48 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(((They))) might have power in too many areas of our lives to count, but it doen't mean it will always be (or stay) that way.
Key here, is when enough men break out of the slave mindset.

[Foolsgo1d]

I think we can say this is beyond protests and is an open revolt in progress. You don't simply quell protests by killing dozens of people, locking up thousands of people and not go the whole hog and massacre entire chunks of the populace like we have seen throughout the 20th century.

I could be wrong but the snowball effect is working but as usual the first casualty of any conflict, protest or revolution is the truth. Iran is not fractured along ethnic and religious lines as much as Iraq and Syria so we could see a much larger mass in favour of one goal moving forward and brushing aside shia hardliners, sunni fundamentalists and the movement hijackers.

How far are people willing to go here is the key question. Do you hold your hands up and say "my bad" and go home? They know full well doing that means imprisonment and death. Same for the leaders currently pondering whether to go all in and kill as many usurpers as possible or hold back and say we understand.

The death toll rising means the ball keeps rolling.

[Aurini]

(01-02-2018 03:48 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 07:05 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

It's the Zionists' world: we're just living in it. Make your peace with it.

I respect you, your intelligence, and your rep, but thoughts like this above are pure slave mentality.

(((They))) might have power in too many areas of our lives to count, but it doen't mean it will always be (or stay) that way.
Key here, is when enough men break out of the slave mindset.

You can't break out of slavery until you admit you are one.

The reason every "movement" falls apart is because they attacked the object, they never disciplined themselves. We're a bunch of crabs in a bucket because we keep pulling one another down. Until we stop doing that, in the bucket we'll remain.

Heroes exist, but very few people can see them.

[Enoch]

^ True.

A really easy red pill to swallow regarding that is property taxes. If I'm out with my blue pill friends I compare property taxes to the feudal system. Really makes them question how free they are.

[IronShark]

The nature of what is happening in Iran is very different to Syria, Iraq, Egypt or Lybia. These protests could be compared to Russian Revolution. Millions of poor people are sick and tired of poverty and corruption which happens to be a religious Islamic regime.

People demands started with merely economical reasons. But it quickly evolved to political demands. They know that the current regime is unable to resolve the "issue of daily bread". So they want to overthrow them.

As I said before, the lack of leadership remains the main challenge of this movement.

I've read on Iranian social media that there's going to be a new wave of protests on Thursday and Friday. We'll see.

[Aurini]

(01-04-2018 01:14 AM)IronShark Wrote:  

The nature of what is happening in Iran is very different to Syria, Iraq, Egypt or Lybia. These protests could be compared to Russian Revolution. Millions of poor people are sick and tired of poverty and corruption which happens to be a religious Islamic regime.

People demands started with merely economical reasons. But it quickly evolved to political demands. They know that the current regime is unable to resolve the "issue of daily bread". So they want to overthrow them.

As I said before, the lack of leadership remains the main challenge of this movement.

I've read on Iranian social media that there's going to be a new wave of protests on Thursday and Friday. We'll see.

Replace "Iran" with "Gamers" and "Gamergate".

Who is actually in charge? Will the leaders of this organic revolution be elected because of their character? Or their extremism and willingness to subsume their ideology into the neuroses of their supporters?

I'm quite certain that this is a noble revolution, with genuine grievances, and a desire for a better world. I'm equally certain that their lack of personal integrity and philosophical acumen will doom them to being enslaved to the first Napoleon or Caesar that comes along.

You're worrying over the details. "Who is the lesser of two evils?" That right there is the mindset that needs eradicating. No more lesser - time for something greater.

What lessons are we learning from studying this conflict? The lessons of pursuing virtue and discipline within ourselves? The necessity of electing true heroes to our leadership, not the pandering demagogues that we've seemed to prefer thus far? Or is all of this merely a distraction from that which we ought to be doing?

[godfather dust]

I'm seeing some alt-lite fags on twitter touting this as a feminist uprising.

If you use the word "feminist" to mean anything positive you are a faggot and a cuck.

"Democrats are the real racists! Conservatives are the real feminists!" Fuck off with that shit.

[Killer Joe]

(01-03-2018 07:48 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 03:48 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 07:05 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

It's the Zionists' world: we're just living in it. Make your peace with it.

I respect you, your intelligence, and your rep, but thoughts like this above are pure slave mentality.

(((They))) might have power in too many areas of our lives to count, but it doen't mean it will always be (or stay) that way.
Key here, is when enough men break out of the slave mindset.

You can't break out of slavery until you admit you are one.

The reason every "movement" falls apart is because they attacked the object, they never disciplined themselves. We're a bunch of crabs in a bucket because we keep pulling one another down. Until we stop doing that, in the bucket we'll remain.

Heroes exist, but very few people can see them.

Are you one of those heroes?

PM me if you don't want to reveal your secret identity.

(01-04-2018 03:09 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

Replace "Iran" with "Gamers" and "Gamergate".

Who is actually in charge? Will the leaders of this organic revolution be elected because of their character? Or their extremism and willingness to subsume their ideology into the neuroses of their supporters?

I'm quite certain that this is a noble revolution, with genuine grievances, and a desire for a better world. I'm equally certain that their lack of personal integrity and philosophical acumen will doom them to being enslaved to the first Napoleon or Caesar that comes along.

You're worrying over the details. "Who is the lesser of two evils?" That right there is the mindset that needs eradicating. No more lesser - time for something greater.

What lessons are we learning from studying this conflict? The lessons of pursuing virtue and discipline within ourselves? The necessity of electing true heroes to our leadership, not the pandering demagogues that we've seemed to prefer thus far? Or is all of this merely a distraction from that which we ought to be doing?

[puckerman]

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the other time that the US government has directly intervened in Iranian politics. That was in 1953 when the CIA helped a coup that removed the very popular and very secular democratic leader Mohammend Mossadegh. The overthrow of the shah in 1979 was a direct response to this. The seizure of the embassy and the embassy staff was a response to the fact that the embassy staff actually assisted with the coup in 1953. It's no surprise at all considering the corrupt history of the American empire since 1945.

A good book on this subject is All the Shah's Men by Stephen Kinzer. Many of the revolutionaries in 1979 were hoping to a return to a democracy, as opposed to the corrupt police state of the shah.

I am much more optimistic about the world than I am about America. I can't see the Iranians installing something worse than what they have. Iran has taken a lot of crap from America. Hopefully, the USA will stay out of this one.

[Atlanta Man]

^^^The US ain't staying out of anything-at the very least we will sell weapons to the protesters. Iran fucked up our plans in Iraq and they keep having proxy wars with the Saudis-They have had this coming for a long time.....

[Gmac]

(01-04-2018 10:39 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

^^^The US ain't staying out of anything-at the very least we will sell weapons to the protesters. Iran fucked up our plans in Iraq and they keep having proxy wars with the Saudis-They have had this coming for a long time.....

Dude seriously?

Did you learn anything from the last 40 years? No we're not selling arms to "protesters."



Of course we'll be involved to some extent, but it won't be the neocon's wet dream come true.

[Atlanta Man]

(01-04-2018 10:52 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 10:39 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

^^^The US ain't staying out of anything-at the very least we will sell weapons to the protesters. Iran fucked up our plans in Iraq and they keep having proxy wars with the Saudis-They have had this coming for a long time.....

Dude seriously?

Did you learn anything from the last 40 years? No we're not selling arms to "protesters."



Of course we'll be involved to some extent, but it won't be the neocon's wet dream come true.

Not only will we be selling arms to the regimes opposition, we will likely enforce a no fly zone, and give the current regime a vote of no confidence in the UN. Then we will put contractors and "military advisers" on the ground but "no boots on the ground" because we are helping to liberate the Iranian people not fight a war. You have seen this movie before, it just had different actors....

[godfather dust]

The US sucks at the

(01-04-2018 11:02 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 10:52 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 10:39 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

^^^The US ain't staying out of anything-at the very least we will sell weapons to the protesters. Iran fucked up our plans in Iraq and they keep having proxy wars with the Saudis-They have had this coming for a long time.....

Dude seriously?

Did you learn anything from the last 40 years? No we're not selling arms to "protesters."



Of course we'll be involved to some extent, but it won't be the neocon's wet dream come true.

Not only will we be selling arms to the regimes opposition, we will likely enforce a no fly zone, and give the current regime a vote of no confidence in the UN. Then we will put contractors and "military advisers" on the ground but "no boots on the ground" because we are helping to liberate the Iranian people not fight a war. You have seen this movie before, it just had different actors....

The US sucks at the liberation business. Have any of America's recent foreign policies that were ostensibly meant to liberate people actually liberated anyone?

[El Chinito loco]

(01-04-2018 11:10 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

The US sucks at the liberation business. Have any of America's recent foreign policies that were ostensibly meant to liberate people actually liberated anyone?

It's never been about liberation but enriching certain members of the elite who have their hands in all pies. The MIC is a tired topic already but it's entirely relevant. War is very profitable. Plus there's every incentive for hawks in the military officer ranks to push for it too since it means increased budget spending and all sorts of kickbacks.

This is the only aspect of U.S. foreign policy that some people on the left have ever been correct about.

[godfather dust]

(01-04-2018 11:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 11:10 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

The US sucks at the liberation business. Have any of America's recent foreign policies that were ostensibly meant to liberate people actually liberated anyone?

It's never been about liberation but enriching certain members of the elite who have their hands in all pies. The MIC is a tired topic already but it's entirely relevant. War is very profitable. Plus there's every incentive for hawks in the military officer ranks to push for it too since it means increased budget spending and all sorts of kickbacks.

This is the only aspect of U.S. foreign policy that some people on the left have ever been correct about.

Yes that's why I said "ostensibly" (it's total crap.)

[AManLikePutin]

There is no need for arms. The greatest help that U.S. can do, is providing some sort of satellite internet, so the gov't can't just lower the internet speed that uploading/downloading/communicating becomes almost impossible. That'd be a lot more of help than weapons and guns.

So Reza II had his interview.....I've never seen him so passionate and angry. a couple of minutes later, I saw Khamenei talk for first time about these protests for about a minute, and in his 1 minute talk, he didn't say the word "IRAN" even once, but used various forms of Islam, Islamic, Islamic Republic at least 5 times. Tells you all you need to know! Anyways, main talking points of Reza Pahlavi:

- When asked if he's worried about separatist movements, he completely dismissed it. He reiterated unlike some other nations in the region, Iran has always been a multi-ethnic nation where people of different religions live. He thanks Kurds and Balochis for letting so many people flee Iran in 1979, the ones who'd else be executed. He also thanked Azeris in the NW for helping in fight against USSR during the Cold War.

- He ripped into the army and military and asked them to look into their conscious and make a choice. Are they to protect people or the political establishment? The word Guardian (in IRGC) means guardian of the people, not to beat them up and murder them.

- He said we need the left and right to put political beefs aside and unite....and that's the only chance to be able to beat Mullahs, and after that, people should be able to choose in a free referendum what sort of gov't structure they want. He wants parliamentary democracy. He said he's talking to people and trying to use his connections to especially help with sending tech/internet for people at this stage.

- The terrorist MEK/MKO has been staging protests in European capitals, most notably Downing Street. I also saw their "female stalinist" leader Rajavi with Rudy Giulliani. Honestly, they scare the fuck out of me. These people are savages, every bit as inhumane as the current regime. Please I hope they don't get armed or funding. There hasn't been a SINGLE chant in Iran in their favor. They will have less than 1% support. They used to be located in camp Najaf in Iraq during Saddam era, but when Bush invaded Iraq, they had to give up their camp, the leader (Who was the husband of this rotten cunt) hasn't been seen since 2003, almost certainly dead. In 2012, Obama REMOVED them from the list of terrorist organizations. Anyways, I've noticed their army is so active on Twitter and more focused on spreading hate and shit about Reza Pahlavi than IR even. Look at their pathetic "CULT": Basically a communist version of IR. It's very early in the movement, but I am reiterating, MEK/MKO/NRCI are all the same. A terrorist organization, every bit as insane as the current crop.



- Speaking of infowar, I've seen it's already started. The regime's official news agency, Tasnim News, OPENLY tweeted photos of protests, circling the face of protestors, asking their followers to DOXX and IDENTIFY them, and send their info to the IRGC. Did Twitter ban them for inciting violence and torture? Of course they didn't. Jack's priorities lie elsewhere. Then you have MKO people on Twitter with help of Saudi Twitter promote their rotten leader and movement, while slandering Reza. Reza at this moment, is by far the most sane opposition candidate that actually has some fans inside Iran, and has shown flexibility and willingness to work with others. He was only 18 when the revolution happened, so he hasn't been personally responsible for blood of a single Iranian and has the cleanest history of the rest of them. I really wish to see him get more coverage in media, and be given a chance to voice his ideas and thoughts, without everyone automatically dismissing them because his father was a Shah. I see a lot of "anti-imperialist" Western Leftist think-tanks badnaming him....it makes my blood boil. Why would what his father did matter of who he is? and it's not like he's ever said he wants a return to monarchy.
Reza's grandpa worked with Hitler during WWII, yet his father was a close ally of US. Everyone is on his own and independent.

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- Another useful thing, would be sanctioning IR's propaganda tools IRIB and Press TV. That's one sanction that would really hurt the regime. I saw videos on Facebook from some pages called "Islamic Pulse" where Indian/Pakistani guy was presenting propaganda for the regime that how it's the only true democracy in the Middle East, how America is much worse, and just blatant BS. Yet the videos has over 1k likes and had been shared by hundreds who're not even Iranian. An Iranian in the comment section said: "This sound like a nice place, do you know where in the map it is? Maybe I can live there, because it's nothing like my country." The regime had its own rally a couple of days ago of course with the usual chants: "Death to provocateur/USA/Israel"

- On protests, they are still on going in some cities, but due to the massive presence of military and IRGC on the streets, most gathering of large group of people is interrupted. But the regime can't just keep on the streets forever or keep internet speed low. Some clerics have blamed social media for the protests and have asked to make the ban on Telegram and Instagram permanent. One different this has with 2009 is, in 2009 where the protests were against election result, mostly by middle class, they eventually got over it and waited another 4 years to choose a "reformer" puppet. Here the protests started by hungry and unemployed people. Even if dispersed and beaten up, with student activities arrested (which they have been), they are not going to wake up tomorrow full and with a job, so they'll remain angry and it'll just heat up. So far the death toll is around 35/40 with over a thousand arrested and in unknown conditions.

[url=https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/949300985880510464]

[sterling_archer]

@AManLikePutin, you sound very knowledgeable about Iran, do you have particular fascination with Iran? What do you think, if shit hits the fan, will we see fighting between regular army and IRGC, with army supporting protesters?

[EndsExpect]

(12-30-2017 11:45 AM)behnam Wrote:  

the only reason i went to streets in 2009 and shouted death to khamenei was that i wanted the fundamental change in iran, right now i can't see anything good comes out of any revolution in iran. people are tired of this right wing regime and they see liberals as a better choice for their future which is fucked up.
VOA(voice of america) which is against iran's regime preach feminism all the time, most of iranian channels in UK and US preach sjw shit.A lot of people here look up to these channels for guidance and information.
Its a bit scary to think about my countries future.

My personal hope is that it forces the clerics to make some concessions and loosen up restrictions on a few things.

It could be possible that many of the protests are people that want better economic conditions. People are not usually willing to fight and die for a change of clothes.

Whatever happens I hope that they can stay strong against the onslaught of American Feminism.

[Beirut]

(01-05-2018 01:42 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 11:45 AM)behnam Wrote:  

the only reason i went to streets in 2009 and shouted death to khamenei was that i wanted the fundamental change in iran, right now i can't see anything good comes out of any revolution in iran. people are tired of this right wing regime and they see liberals as a better choice for their future which is fucked up.
VOA(voice of america) which is against iran's regime preach feminism all the time, most of iranian channels in UK and US preach sjw shit.A lot of people here look up to these channels for guidance and information.
Its a bit scary to think about my countries future.

My personal hope is that it forces the clerics to make some concessions and loosen up restrictions on a few things.

It could be possible that many of the protests are people that want better economic conditions. People are not usually willing to fight and die for a change of clothes.

Whatever happens I hope that they can stay strong against the onslaught of American Feminism.

Thats true and reasonable.

They are religiously fanatic, but these are smart people. I know from Hezballahs behavior in Lebanon. Theres a lot of things that theyd like to change even in their regions but they dont for now to accomodate the other people and not create unnecessary problems for themselves.

So theyre definitely capable of rational thought and some degree of pragmatism.

I think the problem that these sorts of regimes face is that even if rationally they know concessions are needed, its a delicate thing to make because when a wave of people are hitting the streets, and you show a crack or weakness, its very hard not to have it snowball then.

When lebanese demonstrated for syrian withdrawal, they first announced theyd retreat to a bordering region. But when we were going by the million and we see that a 30 year old armed presence has weakened, there was no hearing or waiting for compromises.

Same in Syria, remember in the ealry days Bashar changed constitution and said hed allow political parties. Regardless of how much bullshit it was, that didnt even stop one bullet for one second.

The ideal would be to stop these protests and then smartly implement changes later. Ruhani is a reformer, and the most ideal scenario would be to force the changes through him. he was counting on opening to the world through the nuclear deal to strengthen his position.

But economy tanked and he held little cards.

[Extinguished Light]

(01-04-2018 11:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 11:10 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

The US sucks at the liberation business. Have any of America's recent foreign policies that were ostensibly meant to liberate people actually liberated anyone?

It's never been about liberation but enriching certain members of the elite who have their hands in all pies. The MIC is a tired topic already but it's entirely relevant. War is very profitable. Plus there's every incentive for hawks in the military officer ranks to push for it too since it means increased budget spending and all sorts of kickbacks.

This is the only aspect of U.S. foreign policy that some people on the left have ever been correct about.

It's about supporting Israel's geopolitical position first, and money second.