When to Sky Bar in February while intoxicated with two others. The doorman said it was closed, and walked us to "another bar." It ended up being a gentlemen's club with 300 UAH cocktails. Good times in Kyiv.
Kiev Summer 2016 Datasheet
There should be a UA Scams TV show, e.g. CNBC's "American Greed: Scams, Scoundrels and Scandals."
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I respect for the countries where I visit.
However, UA, in general, see foreign males as money bags. I don't condone their shady behavior, yet I'm truly impressed by their creativity. The more read these kind of scams, I keep thinking they know the ending way before you know what's going on. I've never seen this level of sophistication anywhere in Western Europe / Scandinavia.
Let's frame this in the pussology context:
Male wants penetration (of pussy)
Female wants extrication (of assets)
Friend - I'm going to the Apple Genius Bar to fix my phone.
Foreign Guy - I'm going to UA to learn new scams.
I feel like I've lost my good boy sense of innocence and being amused by the dark side.
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I respect for the countries where I visit.
However, UA, in general, see foreign males as money bags. I don't condone their shady behavior, yet I'm truly impressed by their creativity. The more read these kind of scams, I keep thinking they know the ending way before you know what's going on. I've never seen this level of sophistication anywhere in Western Europe / Scandinavia.
Let's frame this in the pussology context:
Male wants penetration (of pussy)
Female wants extrication (of assets)
Friend - I'm going to the Apple Genius Bar to fix my phone.
Foreign Guy - I'm going to UA to learn new scams.
I feel like I've lost my good boy sense of innocence and being amused by the dark side.
Quote: (09-25-2016 01:56 AM)jabba Wrote:
Wow. That's a new one.
We should start a UA Scams thread, so we can sit around the campfire and write our PhDs.
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I respect for the countries where I visit.
However, UA in general see foreign males as money bags. I don't condone their shady behavior, yet I'm truly impressed by their creativity. The more read these kind of scams, I keep thinking they know the ending way before you know what's going on. I've never seen this level of sophistication anywhere in Western Europe / Scandinavia.
Let's frame this in the pussology context:
Male wants penetration (of pussy)
Female wants extrication (of assets)
Friend - I'm going to the Apple Genius Bar to fix my phone.
Foreign Guy - I'm going to UA to learn new scams.
I feel like I've lost my good boy sense of innocence. In order to protect myself, I need to add a layer of suspicion to neutralize the environment.
Do not complain. Fools are made to be fools. The art of not being scammed is what separates clever guys from the fools.
These kind of things are what make Ukraine still a good place to game, because small games are a part of the big game called Ukraine, which if it was an easy one, would already be another Ryanair style ravaged Eastern European destination, like Prague, Riga or Krakow...
And Ukraine is not that bad...there are no Riga style bar scams where guys get tricked to pay 1000$ or get beaten the f**k up, or even in Prague I know of guys beaten and robbed inside the wrong strip clubs.
Great Data sheet. Solid info. You mentioned you were out every night. What were some good spots to hit up on Sundays, Mondays and Tuesdays?
Sundays I went to the beach clubs, although that is only for the summer. Monday and Tuesday are tough, best bet is to line up dates those nights as no where in particular is very good. You can try shooters or coyote ugly but it'll be very hit and miss.
So this was my last weekend for now. I was kinda tired and with a cold, but didn't wanna spend my last night in Kiev in bed.
Had a date with this 9 from CHI at Avalon at 22:00. She canceled last minute. Turns out she not only has a son, but also a boyfriend. "Did I tell you I have boyfriend?". Hahahaha. Well who cares.
I went there alone, the place was super empty at 22:30 . I have a drink and chat with the Bartender, supernice guy, we have a laugh.
I change venue, go to SkyBar, wanna give it finally a chance, after alle the gossip in this forum. But what can I tell you: couldn't get in! "You have reservation" bla bla. Ridiculous. Hungry sex tourists lining up, mostly arab or turkish guys in theor 40ies with beards (Roosh not amongst them ahahah). Bouncers = assholes. Do they really think this is the best club in town? Haha ridiculous. I really didn't give a shit.
I went up to "The Bar". Was still half empty at 23:20. Had to wait fucking 20 minutes for my drink, the bartender was an arrogant idiot. Stuff like that can really ruin my mood. Girls were in tight groups with cockblocking dicks attached. I'm sure you can work there, but I didn't feel the place. I split.
In front of Arena there is this mindblowing petite blond babe with legs to kill in a skintight dress and super high heels. 19y Max. I go directly to her (that's my new street dogma: I see a talent, I go straight at her. In a straight line. No fussing around. Like a missile. On my way I think about what to say. Just go and hit hard. Especially around here, you have to be a man.)
She is super scared, turns away, says she is waiting for a friend. I ask where they go, she says "The Bar". I'm like oh fuck, maybe I go back. Her friend arrives, I follow them. I mean a 2set of a 10 and a 5, what else can you ask for. It's a no brainer. I approach again. Turns out her friend is married. They are super defensive. I don't see a chance. She's too young anyway. Maybe my game was too aggressive. With my head I am half in the CHI anyway, so I let go. I give them one good advice: two pretty girls shouldn't walk around Arena at night alone. This area is full of hungry foreign guys.
On my way out of Arena some drunken american guy is screaming something about "fucking ukrainian girls". Man, I hope it wasn't anyone from this forum! It confirms my impression that Arena is the sex tourist central station of Ukraine.
So I take a cab to CHI. I get into the elevator with some hot girls. Funny thing is: in this elevator the light is really brutal. The girls that looked like 10s in the waiting hall, suddenly have destroyed faces. It's spooky, I feel like in this John Carpenter movie "They live". But what the hell. Their bodies are still amazing.
I get in with ease (go there before 0:30!).
I start to work the place. Early in I feel the vibe is different than on friday. More crowded, worse music.
This beauty surgery victim aorund 40 keeps eye fucking me. First I'm reluctant, but then I think okay I need social proof anyway, and her friend (20y) seems to be hot. I go to her and we start talking. She considers herself an artist and painter, shows me those rediculous shit-photos of her aging body in some ridiculous outifit in industrial landscapes or on some capes, printed on aluminium. Her favourite places ar St. Tropez and Paris and Capetown. Yeah yeah, I get it. You travelled the world on the account of your sponsor, he dumped you for an upgrade when you turned 30, now you wannabe an artist with his money. What a load of bullshit. But she keeps rubbing her body against me, one that is still skinny and tight, so I take it. Nothing against to have your hard dick rubbed while scoping a venue. Of course I don't listen to her travel stories. Then her boyfriend turns up, a russian dude not older than 25, so funny haha. I mean she is rubbing her tits against me with her bf standing next to her.
I see a incredibly beautiful 10 at the bar, with a face like an angel. Kristina from Mariupol. Unreal beauty, out of this world. I go there and start to open. She doesn't speak english. Her friend organizes another friend for translation. But the girl is defensive. She's a "cosmetlogist". Dumb. This will lead nowhere.
The pace is getting packed. I am making a huge mistake: all this talent around drives me crazy. Shall I hit on her? Or her? Or her? You open one 9, another 10 walks by and gives you an eyefuck. I get nervous and start to drink too much. Drinks are so fucking cheap.
The vibe isn't as cool as on friday. People are nervously running up and down, like in a train station. I hate that. Can't work like that.
What I like about the place is that it's clear what the deal is here: it's about man meet woman. Period. The guys hit nonstop.
But at around 2am the girls get wary. Defensive. Too many aggressive dudes.
I still get smiled at. But when I hit the smiling girls, they block. I have no idea why. Most speak bad english. Also I guess I'm gettin to drunk for good game. Plus, when a girl doesn't jump on me right away, I'm like: "who cares, theres tons of 10s here".
Ah, you know these nights. At a certain point you feel that it's going nowhere. You get a bad mood, drink too much, loose it.
Many girls leave because they get fed up with beeing hit on by cavemen.
I should leave, too. But how can you leave a place that is packed with talent beyond your wildest dreams? It's hard. All these porn stars and models walking by. I mean half of the girls here are 180 tall and weigh less than 50 kilos. And they keep checking me out ! None of these chicks would even be glancing at me in my home town. They would look right through me. Because they look through everone. The wouldn't even establish eye contact with a male model. They just don't do it.
I feel like a fucking amateur. I mean getting drunk destroys your game, thats beginners knowledge. My game starts to get rude and stupid. I even start to do dancefloor game, which is so superlame and embarassing and Beta, I mean hey. It never works above an 8. Never ever. Especially not in this place, with a dancefloor so small and all her friends watching her. Dancefloor game is for betas. It never works in Ukraine. In my experience.
A change of venues would have been the right thing to, start fresh where the girls haven't seen you hitting 50% of the women in the club haha.
A cute 7 smiles at me, I dance with her, she heads off to the bar, but I don't follow. I can't be bothered. I don't feel like talking to a 7. She doesn't have a model body. My standards rose within 3 hours. That happens so quickliy, doesn't it?
I split.
Some advice for this club:
1. Go there early. Start to work the field immediately. Between 12 and 2 is the best time.
2. Beware, drinks are good quality and cheap. Don't get drunk, it will hurt your game. And you wanna stand out from the drunken ukrainian guys. After 2 / 3 they get drunk and start to hit everything that moves, girls get pissed and unappraochable.
3. Dress up, but with cool. Some dudes were even dressed funny. They have a great door policy. They don't let any girls in under a good 7+.
4. You don't necessarily have to get a table, but it probably helps.
5. Speak russian. Even the ugliest russian dudes were hitting on 10s and chatting away with them, even pulling.
It's the old problem here and in Russia: the 9s and 10s just don't speak english. At least in my experience. The're simply too dumb and ignorant. And if they do, they sure are interested into talking to a western guy, but they will never fuck you.
I would be really really interested if any of you guys in this forum have been pulling 9s or 10s in Kiev, and how you did it.
How is your game in the high end clubs? Are you pulling?
Had a date with this 9 from CHI at Avalon at 22:00. She canceled last minute. Turns out she not only has a son, but also a boyfriend. "Did I tell you I have boyfriend?". Hahahaha. Well who cares.
I went there alone, the place was super empty at 22:30 . I have a drink and chat with the Bartender, supernice guy, we have a laugh.
I change venue, go to SkyBar, wanna give it finally a chance, after alle the gossip in this forum. But what can I tell you: couldn't get in! "You have reservation" bla bla. Ridiculous. Hungry sex tourists lining up, mostly arab or turkish guys in theor 40ies with beards (Roosh not amongst them ahahah). Bouncers = assholes. Do they really think this is the best club in town? Haha ridiculous. I really didn't give a shit.
I went up to "The Bar". Was still half empty at 23:20. Had to wait fucking 20 minutes for my drink, the bartender was an arrogant idiot. Stuff like that can really ruin my mood. Girls were in tight groups with cockblocking dicks attached. I'm sure you can work there, but I didn't feel the place. I split.
In front of Arena there is this mindblowing petite blond babe with legs to kill in a skintight dress and super high heels. 19y Max. I go directly to her (that's my new street dogma: I see a talent, I go straight at her. In a straight line. No fussing around. Like a missile. On my way I think about what to say. Just go and hit hard. Especially around here, you have to be a man.)
She is super scared, turns away, says she is waiting for a friend. I ask where they go, she says "The Bar". I'm like oh fuck, maybe I go back. Her friend arrives, I follow them. I mean a 2set of a 10 and a 5, what else can you ask for. It's a no brainer. I approach again. Turns out her friend is married. They are super defensive. I don't see a chance. She's too young anyway. Maybe my game was too aggressive. With my head I am half in the CHI anyway, so I let go. I give them one good advice: two pretty girls shouldn't walk around Arena at night alone. This area is full of hungry foreign guys.
On my way out of Arena some drunken american guy is screaming something about "fucking ukrainian girls". Man, I hope it wasn't anyone from this forum! It confirms my impression that Arena is the sex tourist central station of Ukraine.
So I take a cab to CHI. I get into the elevator with some hot girls. Funny thing is: in this elevator the light is really brutal. The girls that looked like 10s in the waiting hall, suddenly have destroyed faces. It's spooky, I feel like in this John Carpenter movie "They live". But what the hell. Their bodies are still amazing.
I get in with ease (go there before 0:30!).
I start to work the place. Early in I feel the vibe is different than on friday. More crowded, worse music.
This beauty surgery victim aorund 40 keeps eye fucking me. First I'm reluctant, but then I think okay I need social proof anyway, and her friend (20y) seems to be hot. I go to her and we start talking. She considers herself an artist and painter, shows me those rediculous shit-photos of her aging body in some ridiculous outifit in industrial landscapes or on some capes, printed on aluminium. Her favourite places ar St. Tropez and Paris and Capetown. Yeah yeah, I get it. You travelled the world on the account of your sponsor, he dumped you for an upgrade when you turned 30, now you wannabe an artist with his money. What a load of bullshit. But she keeps rubbing her body against me, one that is still skinny and tight, so I take it. Nothing against to have your hard dick rubbed while scoping a venue. Of course I don't listen to her travel stories. Then her boyfriend turns up, a russian dude not older than 25, so funny haha. I mean she is rubbing her tits against me with her bf standing next to her.
I see a incredibly beautiful 10 at the bar, with a face like an angel. Kristina from Mariupol. Unreal beauty, out of this world. I go there and start to open. She doesn't speak english. Her friend organizes another friend for translation. But the girl is defensive. She's a "cosmetlogist". Dumb. This will lead nowhere.
The pace is getting packed. I am making a huge mistake: all this talent around drives me crazy. Shall I hit on her? Or her? Or her? You open one 9, another 10 walks by and gives you an eyefuck. I get nervous and start to drink too much. Drinks are so fucking cheap.
The vibe isn't as cool as on friday. People are nervously running up and down, like in a train station. I hate that. Can't work like that.
What I like about the place is that it's clear what the deal is here: it's about man meet woman. Period. The guys hit nonstop.
But at around 2am the girls get wary. Defensive. Too many aggressive dudes.
I still get smiled at. But when I hit the smiling girls, they block. I have no idea why. Most speak bad english. Also I guess I'm gettin to drunk for good game. Plus, when a girl doesn't jump on me right away, I'm like: "who cares, theres tons of 10s here".
Ah, you know these nights. At a certain point you feel that it's going nowhere. You get a bad mood, drink too much, loose it.
Many girls leave because they get fed up with beeing hit on by cavemen.
I should leave, too. But how can you leave a place that is packed with talent beyond your wildest dreams? It's hard. All these porn stars and models walking by. I mean half of the girls here are 180 tall and weigh less than 50 kilos. And they keep checking me out ! None of these chicks would even be glancing at me in my home town. They would look right through me. Because they look through everone. The wouldn't even establish eye contact with a male model. They just don't do it.
I feel like a fucking amateur. I mean getting drunk destroys your game, thats beginners knowledge. My game starts to get rude and stupid. I even start to do dancefloor game, which is so superlame and embarassing and Beta, I mean hey. It never works above an 8. Never ever. Especially not in this place, with a dancefloor so small and all her friends watching her. Dancefloor game is for betas. It never works in Ukraine. In my experience.
A change of venues would have been the right thing to, start fresh where the girls haven't seen you hitting 50% of the women in the club haha.
A cute 7 smiles at me, I dance with her, she heads off to the bar, but I don't follow. I can't be bothered. I don't feel like talking to a 7. She doesn't have a model body. My standards rose within 3 hours. That happens so quickliy, doesn't it?
I split.
Some advice for this club:
1. Go there early. Start to work the field immediately. Between 12 and 2 is the best time.
2. Beware, drinks are good quality and cheap. Don't get drunk, it will hurt your game. And you wanna stand out from the drunken ukrainian guys. After 2 / 3 they get drunk and start to hit everything that moves, girls get pissed and unappraochable.
3. Dress up, but with cool. Some dudes were even dressed funny. They have a great door policy. They don't let any girls in under a good 7+.
4. You don't necessarily have to get a table, but it probably helps.
5. Speak russian. Even the ugliest russian dudes were hitting on 10s and chatting away with them, even pulling.
It's the old problem here and in Russia: the 9s and 10s just don't speak english. At least in my experience. The're simply too dumb and ignorant. And if they do, they sure are interested into talking to a western guy, but they will never fuck you.
I would be really really interested if any of you guys in this forum have been pulling 9s or 10s in Kiev, and how you did it.
How is your game in the high end clubs? Are you pulling?
that girl is kristina by the way. she really looks like that. she was dumb and didn't speak any english, but these lips ... if any of you guys hit mariupol send me a pm, I will gove you her fb adress haha.
I don't even know if it is allowed to post pics here because nobody ever does that.
I don't even know if it is allowed to post pics here because nobody ever does that.
Free... great reports from Chi and it seems like the door at Skybar is getting tougher.
Your point about language issue reminds me why I leave the top tier for Russian speaking guys like Vinny or Rocha at the high end clubs especially if rolling solo.
Jack & coke is 120 Hryvnia is at places like Indigo, Radio City, Caribbean, etc with enough 7's and 8's that usually speak more English and or are more into foreigners works better for me.
Not sure about D'Lux... nobody seems to talk about it much anymore.
Your point about language issue reminds me why I leave the top tier for Russian speaking guys like Vinny or Rocha at the high end clubs especially if rolling solo.
Jack & coke is 120 Hryvnia is at places like Indigo, Radio City, Caribbean, etc with enough 7's and 8's that usually speak more English and or are more into foreigners works better for me.
Not sure about D'Lux... nobody seems to talk about it much anymore.
Quote: (09-23-2016 09:22 AM)Beirut Wrote:
Whiteknightrises the 9s are rare on the streets.
The ones who access them regularly are part of the high end scene and venues.
What kiev has is a lot of cute 7s and very few sub 5s which makes it heaven for a lot of guys, plus the occasional 8.
What i like about kiev isnt necessarily about the quality per se, but i feel a certain quality is more accessible there than in other places. The average is higher which pushes the accessibility and quality a point higher.
Its not a sea of models but also anyone who hasnt seen beauties has just stuck around his apartment building garbage can waiting for one to cross the street.
I can fully confirm that. You really seem to know the city well.
The 9s and 10s stay off the streets, they don't ride the Metro. Must be all the Forum members they don't wanna deal with any more haha ... or just the bad boardwalks they can't walk on in their stilettos. Back in 2011 they were still walking the streets, god knows why.
I worked 2 malls and some supermarkets and didn't see any 9s there either. All in all I saw mabye three or four 9's in two weeks out in the wild.
You can still find them in the high end venues, but there competition is tough from the loaded local dudes.
I've been hearing the term "she's a working girl" a lot these days in Kiev, especially from not so hot chicks. So maybe word is out that if you dress like a hooker you are considered a hooker - something that was never an issue back in the glory days. Girls dressed like hookers because all their friends did and that was just the way to go. It was normal.
And now ... damn westernisation ..
We have to go further east.
the6ix, in the OP you mentioned to get their IG. Could you expand on this? Is this for recon, or to get her to see all your cool pics / social proof?
Quote: (09-24-2016 01:02 AM)jabba Wrote:
Quote: (09-23-2016 09:41 AM)Rocha Wrote:
Quote: (09-23-2016 08:28 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:
Quote: (09-23-2016 07:27 AM)Beirut Wrote:
The places you listed have a very different vibe as well. Depending on the nights to. Coyote ugly has a huge young crowd and not many working girls.
No idea why hooters was included.
Buddha bar does have a lot of working girls
Sky bar is different crowds depending on the night.
I went to decadence when it was touch by decadence and not chi and found it to be the best party in town. Ive mentioned it in the huge ukraine master thread but datasheets get lost there.
The music was great and the crowd even better. I was with a local girl who knew the staff and she told me the door is tough usually. There was a substantial standing bar and table wasnt necessary for fun at all. Best bet would be to go to the restaurant early have some dinner and stay until late (again im assuming they kept same model, havent been to kiev since chi started)
Chi is indeed the new big thing but the $400-500 for table made me decide to give it a pass.
Mind you I was face controlled recently at Skybar at 2AM 2 weeks back on a Sat night. This never happened to me before there and I was dressed good so it probably was my wing. I was to tired to by that time to try to bribe the bouncers.
Without a some local connections, speaking Russian or a Russian speaking wingman higher end clubs are still way cheaper to my days for chipping in for tables in Vegas and fun for the eye candy .....but for most guys visiting for a short time Indigo, Caribbean, Coyote Ugly, etc are the way to go.
2am is too late to get in skybar. Just got face controled once over there and it was some years ago. I think it was also past 2am.
As for the other non high end clubs in Kiev...I roamed all of them only to end up always in the same high scale ones. Skybar, Decadence, Dali Park, Dlux...
Will give Indigo a try next month and that Decadence CHI that its the first time I am hearing about
I was in Kiev a few weeks ago and got into Skybar on a Friday rolling solo. First, they said I need to buy a minimum spend ticket. I looked him in the eyes, explained I don't drink much and negotiated. The doormen were cool and just charged me a nominal cover.
There was another group of Israeli guys who were happy to pay for the table.
There were cute girls there, but I expected higher quality from all the forum posts. I had a couple of drinks and checked out the place.
When I left, the doormen shook my hand.
I walked around the Arena atrium. I met a UA girl who said she modeled and lived in Milano. She said to meet at Chi and exchanged Whatsapp #s. I had a date the next day and went to my apt. Much later, she texted that she at Chi. I was already ready to crash, so I didn't pursue it. I told her we could meet on Saturday, but replied said No! My instincts told me she was flakey and expected to be pampered. Fuck that shit!
I would go to Chi to meet other girls, but not for a spoiled UA girl. It was a good sign other cute girls said Chi was the new high end venue.
Chi is on my list to visit next time. I really want to see the highest UA quality: beauty, intellect, education, and profession. I didn't get the same knockout beauty impression as I had in Scandinavia during the mid-90's.
Honestly this summarizes what i always disagree about with others about Kiev and FSU women.
In your situation im going to CHI in that situation 1000% of the time.
WOrst case scenario, shes a gold digger. Its not like im gonna pop bottles or hand over my credit card. Of course you will get carried away sometimes, but its a fun experience anyway. Ive went out with some who were obviously trying to milk it, but it was never an unpleasant date or experience. Id just cut contact after. You can just eject any time.
Hot girls will always want you to take them to the nice places. Doesnt mean theyre scammers.
If she likes you, she needs a process to sleep with you. She wants a fun night, a date or two.... depends. And for a hot girl, that means nice places.
If you give them the benefit of the doubt, they will surprise you many times. Of course keep it under control and limits, but if you dont put yourself out there youre missing out on what Kiev really has to offer.
I've been to Chi once, but haven't taken a girl there.
Here's the thing though, every girl wants to be taken to Chi. You party at a place like Arena, and you say you're going to Chi, they will all want to be taken there to a table. If you decide to get a table, you can get a lot of girls to drink with you that would otherwise not meet you. The question is how far will this game get you and is it worth the 400 dollar table.
Here's the thing though, every girl wants to be taken to Chi. You party at a place like Arena, and you say you're going to Chi, they will all want to be taken there to a table. If you decide to get a table, you can get a lot of girls to drink with you that would otherwise not meet you. The question is how far will this game get you and is it worth the 400 dollar table.
Quote: (09-26-2016 02:43 PM)Tenerife Wrote:
I've been to Chi once, but haven't taken a girl there.
Here's the thing though, every girl wants to be taken to Chi. You party at a place like Arena, and you say you're going to Chi, they will all want to be taken there to a table. If you decide to get a table, you can get a lot of girls to drink with you that would otherwise not meet you. The question is how far will this game get you and is it worth the 400 dollar table.
I think it is worth if it is a big group of guys (4+) having a blast and not solely focused on getting girls to the table.
Dantes wrote: "I was in Kiev with Tenerife and others this summer. I have never seen so many guys approaching during the day. I thought Wroclaw three years ago was saturated. Kiev is now the Daygame Mecca. In 2012 there were very few proficient guys running game. Now there are many. An attractive girl cannot walk on K street without being hit on."
I guess that answers my puzzlement over the fact that Kiev is deserted of 9s and 10s on the street. The RVF daygamers scared them off the streets. I opened a few 7s out of pure boredom, they had the "I have boyfriend" answer out before I barely finished my line.
Never happened to me in Plowdiw, Varna or Bukarest.
Kiev Daygame is trashed.
I guess that answers my puzzlement over the fact that Kiev is deserted of 9s and 10s on the street. The RVF daygamers scared them off the streets. I opened a few 7s out of pure boredom, they had the "I have boyfriend" answer out before I barely finished my line.
Never happened to me in Plowdiw, Varna or Bukarest.
Kiev Daygame is trashed.
Quote: (09-26-2016 02:43 PM)Tenerife Wrote:
I've been to Chi once, but haven't taken a girl there.
Here's the thing though, every girl wants to be taken to Chi. You party at a place like Arena, and you say you're going to Chi, they will all want to be taken there to a table. If you decide to get a table, you can get a lot of girls to drink with you that would otherwise not meet you. The question is how far will this game get you and is it worth the 400 dollar table.
That's high risk. I would not go for that. You might end up sponsoring some girls night out and running the risk that she eventually meets a richer, local guy later at night especially if the girl is and 8+
Why would you pay an evening for girl if in the same club are plenty of 8s and 9s hanging out anyway.
Better go with Rocha's advice, book a table for four guys, have a blast and see what happens.
Quote: (09-26-2016 02:53 PM)Rocha Wrote:
Quote: (09-26-2016 02:43 PM)Tenerife Wrote:
I've been to Chi once, but haven't taken a girl there.
Here's the thing though, every girl wants to be taken to Chi. You party at a place like Arena, and you say you're going to Chi, they will all want to be taken there to a table. If you decide to get a table, you can get a lot of girls to drink with you that would otherwise not meet you. The question is how far will this game get you and is it worth the 400 dollar table.
I think it is worth if it is a big group of guys (4+) having a blast and not solely focused on getting girls to the table.
I totally agree, even if it contradict what I said earlier. I saw a lot of models at the tables that were drinking and dancing but still looking around, attention whoring. They weren't touching or kissing the (mostly older) guys. A lot of Selfie - action.
Many of the table guys looked somehow frustrated, as if disappointed that their investment didn't pay off. I will never forget the facial expression of this young arab dude on a table with two pornstar hookers at the table (silicone tits, latex leggings). He looked like he was being tortured. Obviously the girls had made it clear upfront that he wasn't even allowed to bring his hand near their bodies. They danced on the dancefloor rubbing their pornstar bodies against each other and eyefucked every man around, and the unhappy dude watched in silent desperation. They girls were like: yeah you can pay for my drinks, but I'm here to have fun and fuck whoever I want.
So yes, having table doesn't really guarantee anything. I guess.
BTW, on saturday I saw many many girls holding hands when going to the toilet or walking around the club. Walking fast. Probably meaning: "don't talk to us". They were probably freaked out by too many approaches. That corresponds to me feel that the vibe just wasn't as cool that night. It was getting worse by the hour.
I was never in Indigo. I was once in Carribean, but totally turned off by the mass of Italian sex tourists in their 50ies, and pro-looking 7s. Maybe I caught a bad night, because the girl I was there with was a cool smart local who seemed to like the club for dancing.
^ i wouldnt give these girls too much credit freeloader. The guy probably banged them before and after. Id be more concerned for him if he was very talkative/active.
There is this hot brunette that goes to Arena frequently and she always wants me to take her to Chi. I bought her a glass of champagne for 6 dollars once and had a hardcore makeout and number. She doesn't respond to my texts middle of the week.
I see her again at arena, again she wants a glass of champagne, so I do it because I'm bored and she makes out really well. She even pulls down her dress part way and lets me suck on her large succulent natural tits and finger her pussy in the bar, which basically doesn't happen there at all, so I felt like it was worth the glass of champagne. Yet again she wants me to take her to Chi.
Middle of the week, no response to texts even though I want to take her on a champagne date.
I see her again at Arena because I always seem to go there, and I ask her why she doesn't want to have champagne with me during the week.
"I want champagne at Chi"
I keep seeing this girl around but no longer bother.
Girls wanting to go to Chi is almost like a bad joke.
Me: "What clubs do you like in Kiev?"
Girl: "I like Chi. You go to chi?"
If a girl pesters you aggressively into going to Chi and wont' hang out with you anywhere else, you should have your guard up because she's trying to use you as a tool to attention whore, extract resources, and get validation for being at a table at the most expensive place in town. Now I bet you could bang a fair number of these girls if you take them to Chi but you could easily get played/
I'm actually planning on going to Chi again, and table game with a cool crew I'm sure is worth it if you have the cash to blow, but I'll probably just pay the cover. Carribean and Chi are basically the same price except the latter has the hottest girls in town and the former is a club full of mostly old hags and hookers, with a smattering of decent girls sprinkled between and the enigmatic hottie. Carribean keeps drawing you back because the layout, vibe, music, and stage shows are actually fairly enjoyable, and while there are very few decent women there, it seems like you can actually sometimes pick out the needle in the haystack.
Chi is mostly wall to wall hotties, but there will be a number of slightly older women that are very dolled up. Do not underestimate the skills Ukrainian women have with makeup. They put most other women to shame. Having said that it's quite a spectacle and probably every dude should check it out. Get ready for heavy sponsor game, and if you're not playing it you're gonna encounter a lot of bitchiness. But if you have three or four free hours on a friday saturday night and you're willing to spend 20-30 dollars you can get entry and grab a drink or two and hit on some girls.
I also went to Dali Park, a summer club similar to Chi in terms of girls hunting for guys with tables and straight up asking for men to buy them drinks. It's a total sponsor club. I got a few numbers by doing hallway game but they didn't go anywhere.
I see her again at arena, again she wants a glass of champagne, so I do it because I'm bored and she makes out really well. She even pulls down her dress part way and lets me suck on her large succulent natural tits and finger her pussy in the bar, which basically doesn't happen there at all, so I felt like it was worth the glass of champagne. Yet again she wants me to take her to Chi.
Middle of the week, no response to texts even though I want to take her on a champagne date.
I see her again at Arena because I always seem to go there, and I ask her why she doesn't want to have champagne with me during the week.
"I want champagne at Chi"
I keep seeing this girl around but no longer bother.
Girls wanting to go to Chi is almost like a bad joke.
Me: "What clubs do you like in Kiev?"
Girl: "I like Chi. You go to chi?"
If a girl pesters you aggressively into going to Chi and wont' hang out with you anywhere else, you should have your guard up because she's trying to use you as a tool to attention whore, extract resources, and get validation for being at a table at the most expensive place in town. Now I bet you could bang a fair number of these girls if you take them to Chi but you could easily get played/
I'm actually planning on going to Chi again, and table game with a cool crew I'm sure is worth it if you have the cash to blow, but I'll probably just pay the cover. Carribean and Chi are basically the same price except the latter has the hottest girls in town and the former is a club full of mostly old hags and hookers, with a smattering of decent girls sprinkled between and the enigmatic hottie. Carribean keeps drawing you back because the layout, vibe, music, and stage shows are actually fairly enjoyable, and while there are very few decent women there, it seems like you can actually sometimes pick out the needle in the haystack.
Chi is mostly wall to wall hotties, but there will be a number of slightly older women that are very dolled up. Do not underestimate the skills Ukrainian women have with makeup. They put most other women to shame. Having said that it's quite a spectacle and probably every dude should check it out. Get ready for heavy sponsor game, and if you're not playing it you're gonna encounter a lot of bitchiness. But if you have three or four free hours on a friday saturday night and you're willing to spend 20-30 dollars you can get entry and grab a drink or two and hit on some girls.
I also went to Dali Park, a summer club similar to Chi in terms of girls hunting for guys with tables and straight up asking for men to buy them drinks. It's a total sponsor club. I got a few numbers by doing hallway game but they didn't go anywhere.
Quote: (09-26-2016 02:54 AM)freeloader Wrote:
I give them one good advice: two pretty girls shouldn't walk around Arena at night alone. This area is full of hungry foreign guys.
freeloader - nice reports, enjoyed reading but really cringed when I read this part. You need to take these girls off the pedestal if you ever wanna bang them.
Also, 9s and 10s in Kiev are pretty much off the table unless you're very well connected and/or very rich. Especially the ones in nightclubs.
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Quote: (09-26-2016 01:28 PM)Beirut Wrote:
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Quote: (09-23-2016 07:27 AM)Beirut Wrote:
The places you listed have a very different vibe as well. Depending on the nights to. Coyote ugly has a huge young crowd and not many working girls.
No idea why hooters was included.
Buddha bar does have a lot of working girls
Sky bar is different crowds depending on the night.
I went to decadence when it was touch by decadence and not chi and found it to be the best party in town. Ive mentioned it in the huge ukraine master thread but datasheets get lost there.
The music was great and the crowd even better. I was with a local girl who knew the staff and she told me the door is tough usually. There was a substantial standing bar and table wasnt necessary for fun at all. Best bet would be to go to the restaurant early have some dinner and stay until late (again im assuming they kept same model, havent been to kiev since chi started)
Chi is indeed the new big thing but the $400-500 for table made me decide to give it a pass.
Mind you I was face controlled recently at Skybar at 2AM 2 weeks back on a Sat night. This never happened to me before there and I was dressed good so it probably was my wing. I was to tired to by that time to try to bribe the bouncers.
Without a some local connections, speaking Russian or a Russian speaking wingman higher end clubs are still way cheaper to my days for chipping in for tables in Vegas and fun for the eye candy .....but for most guys visiting for a short time Indigo, Caribbean, Coyote Ugly, etc are the way to go.
2am is too late to get in skybar. Just got face controled once over there and it was some years ago. I think it was also past 2am.
As for the other non high end clubs in Kiev...I roamed all of them only to end up always in the same high scale ones. Skybar, Decadence, Dali Park, Dlux...
Will give Indigo a try next month and that Decadence CHI that its the first time I am hearing about
I was in Kiev a few weeks ago and got into Skybar on a Friday rolling solo. First, they said I need to buy a minimum spend ticket. I looked him in the eyes, explained I don't drink much and negotiated. The doormen were cool and just charged me a nominal cover.
There was another group of Israeli guys who were happy to pay for the table.
There were cute girls there, but I expected higher quality from all the forum posts. I had a couple of drinks and checked out the place.
When I left, the doormen shook my hand.
I walked around the Arena atrium. I met a UA girl who said she modeled and lived in Milano. She said to meet at Chi and exchanged Whatsapp #s. I had a date the next day and went to my apt. Much later, she texted that she at Chi. I was already ready to crash, so I didn't pursue it. I told her we could meet on Saturday, but replied said No! My instincts told me she was flakey and expected to be pampered. Fuck that shit!
I would go to Chi to meet other girls, but not for a spoiled UA girl. It was a good sign other cute girls said Chi was the new high end venue.
Chi is on my list to visit next time. I really want to see the highest UA quality: beauty, intellect, education, and profession. I didn't get the same knockout beauty impression as I had in Scandinavia during the mid-90's.
Honestly this summarizes what i always disagree about with others about Kiev and FSU women.
In your situation im going to CHI in that situation 1000% of the time.
WOrst case scenario, shes a gold digger. Its not like im gonna pop bottles or hand over my credit card. Of course you will get carried away sometimes, but its a fun experience anyway. Ive went out with some who were obviously trying to milk it, but it was never an unpleasant date or experience. Id just cut contact after. You can just eject any time.
Hot girls will always want you to take them to the nice places. Doesnt mean theyre scammers.
If she likes you, she needs a process to sleep with you. She wants a fun night, a date or two.... depends. And for a hot girl, that means nice places.
If you give them the benefit of the doubt, they will surprise you many times. Of course keep it under control and limits, but if you dont put yourself out there youre missing out on what Kiev really has to offer.
@Beirut
I enjoy the banter and hear you. Yes, there are other girls at the club as freeloader aforementioned. I had 2 other dates the next day and wasn't into this girl's attitude. I opted to get rested and start with a fresh canvas (the next day).
I've done high churn-burn in game in other cities around the world during my younger years. However, it was more important for me to not scorch-earth Kiev and pace myself. My expectations were low.
Kiev's a nice city, and it takes time to build a good social foundation. I hardly did any day game since I was working. I went on a couple dates and brought a girl back home.
I'll be back and better prepared.
Quote: (09-27-2016 03:10 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:
Quote: (09-26-2016 04:28 PM)Tenerife Wrote:
I'm actually planning on going to Chi again, and table game with a cool crew I'm sure is worth it if you have the cash to blow
So...table this weekend?
yeah guys please go and show those bitches what time it is. teach them to show some respect to the pro's. get ready to neg big time. u think u sexy? ahahaha. look at this girl over there.
and: no sexy time no champagne.
I would be the fuck in but had to eject town for work. hope to be back in november.
we need to plaster this fucking dump with flags !
1st forum guy who pulls a 10 from chi will be hailed as a master ! but we want proof !
Quote: (09-26-2016 07:15 PM)Innuendo Wrote:
Quote: (09-26-2016 02:54 AM)freeloader Wrote:
I give them one good advice: two pretty girls shouldn't walk around Arena at night alone. This area is full of hungry foreign guys.
freeloader - nice reports, enjoyed reading but really cringed when I read this part. You need to take these girls off the pedestal if you ever wanna bang them.
Also, 9s and 10s in Kiev are pretty much off the table unless you're very well connected and/or very rich. Especially the ones in nightclubs.
Take them off the pedestal? I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate?
9s and 10s: yeah I think those who make it to Kiev are booked. I dated a 10 model for a while, but there was no chance she would ever fuck me. she was first with a mafia guy, then with a motorbike racer. macho assholes that cheated on her all the time and treated her like shit, but she still prefered this kind of guys. Ukraine girls are crazy stupid in this respect. The don't think about tomorrow.
But you could have a chance in smaller cities, like Kharkiv or Dniepr.
Quote: (09-27-2016 04:40 PM)freeloader Wrote:
Quote: (09-26-2016 07:15 PM)Innuendo Wrote:
Quote: (09-26-2016 02:54 AM)freeloader Wrote:
I give them one good advice: two pretty girls shouldn't walk around Arena at night alone. This area is full of hungry foreign guys.
freeloader - nice reports, enjoyed reading but really cringed when I read this part. You need to take these girls off the pedestal if you ever wanna bang them.
Also, 9s and 10s in Kiev are pretty much off the table unless you're very well connected and/or very rich. Especially the ones in nightclubs.
Take them off the pedestal? I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate?
9s and 10s: yeah I think those who make it to Kiev are booked. I dated a 10 model for a while, but there was no chance she would ever fuck me. she was first with a mafia guy, then with a motorbike racer. macho assholes that cheated on her all the time and treated her like shit, but she still prefered this kind of guys. Ukraine girls are crazy stupid in this respect. The don't think about tomorrow.
But you could have a chance in smaller cities, like Kharkiv or Dniepr.
You sound a bit condescending towards these chicks and the local "macho assholes" in a way that I feel negative for your results. First, these guys play them better than any Western player ever will.
You can be an Arab Sheik or Bill Gates, and you will only lease their body on a non exclusive deal, the local "asshole" with a fragment of their money will have a better harem and bang more quality girls in his lifetime than the previous.
Also, they are local...not a one timer or a coming and going foreigner.
And I do not know if you have been to Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk to make the assumption on the last phrase, but local mafias are very strong on both of these places and obviously less controlled by the central power in Kiev. Mafia guys throwing money around in tables and Moet & Chandon is a common sight over there too.
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