Quote: (09-14-2016 06:36 PM)Schlep Wrote:  

Have a feeling this is gonna be a balls deep epic trip.

Famous last words in Ukraine.

Buy yeah, good luck and keep us posted.

Quote: (09-14-2016 02:16 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

Quote: (09-14-2016 02:01 PM)weener Wrote:  

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I didn't see more than two McDonalds my entire stay, counting the other cities as well, including Lviv. Foreign food like that is not that popular, the Ukranians like their own cuisine. I also would like know how marrying a foreign Alcoholic makes one fat, or how Tomatoes, an originally Mexican fruit, normally grown only in the late summer in mediterrean climates, is harvested in such numbers in rural Ukraine, a more northern and continental climate, presumably year-round, as to make someone fat. Fat on roots as well? Onions or parsnips? Details please, or perhaps if possible, the recipes they use for rutabagas.

You really do talk a lot of nonsense

Try and tell a girl in Kiev that Sushi is not popular in Ukraine

Your really do talk both rudely and nonsensically off the subject, with a straw man fallacy; notice I wrote, "Foreign food like that", in the context of fast food, i.e. the McDonald's referred to above in multiple posts. Obviously this has nothing to do with Sushi, which isn't particularly fattening in any case. But either you didn't read the discussion, or were incapable of comprehending it, and decided to mouth off an irrelevancy.

And of course, you ignored the substance of everything else I raised.

Looks like the IQ level of this thread has dipped below the mean; time to let the "don't visit Ukraine, it's all fatties and turks!" trolls talk to themselves now.

Sushi is like crack cocaine in Kyiv. Ask a random girl on the street if she's had sushi can chances are she's had it that day, or at least that week.

In regards to McDonalds. It's not extremely popular yet, but it's becoming popular. Walk down Lva Tolstoho until you reach the McDonalds - on any given night it's bursting at the seams. It's simply a lack of locations right now, but give it time. In a few years Kyiv will be inundated with McDonalds...

I reckon we'll have to flee to a second-tier city in Ukraine within a couple of years once Kyiv becomes more Westernized..Some small town in the Ternopil region full of village girls who've never seen a foreigner..Rockstar status!

Quote: (09-14-2016 02:01 PM)weener Wrote:  

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I didn't see more than two McDonalds my entire stay, counting the other cities as well, including Lviv. Foreign food like that is not that popular, the Ukranians like their own cuisine. I also would like know how marrying a foreign Alcoholic makes one fat, or how Tomatoes, an originally Mexican fruit, normally grown only in the late summer in mediterrean climates, is harvested in such numbers in rural Ukraine, a more northern and continental climate, presumably year-round, as to make someone fat. Fat on roots as well? Onions or parsnips? Details please, or perhaps if possible, the recipes they use for rutabagas.

You really do talk a lot of nonsense

Try and tell a girl in Kiev that Sushi is not popular in Ukraine

Yes, Scrambled is the King of nonsense regarding Ukraine. Some things are hits but most are misses.

McDonalds in the Kiev train station is the second busiest in the world...

http://ukrainianjournal.com/index.html?w=...e&id=14001

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Why would the typical Ukrainian girl move to Russia, much less Moscow? Why do you think hot girls with miminal assets (if they are single, that will be the case) would easily get work or even tourist visas for the west? Why isn't the west crawling with a million recently-arrived Olgas and Natashas in form-fitting dresses and heels? Any stats you can cite? They don't like Russia much in general and Moscow has a particularly bad reputation as big dangerous city ruled by the arch-enemy, Putin.

This can hold true for Banderastan. You really should try to venture a little to eastern Ukraine, quality steps up too. Believe me if you dare to.

To be honest, I just think Scrambled is one of those guys who gets pregnant by the ears, and believes everything that some Western Ukrainian notch tells to him. Because what he is saying/writing is pure dumb girl talk, not even Western Ukrainian guys think like this (on average).

[quote] (09-13-2016 12:16 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

[quote='freeloader' pid='1392604' dateline='1473784283']
Guys, I have some bad news for you. Kiev is dead.

I mean hey, come on. I been in Moscow since 2005, and in Ukraine since 2008. When I was in Kiev last time in 2012, it was full of 9s and 10s. Right now, I walk thru the streets, all I see is fucking 5s !!![/quote]

What exact area were you at, when you say "streets"? What time of day and week was it? Are you saying they were 5s by your standards, or by say western standards? I was there as recently as a week ago, and I did not see many 5s at all, except at a few hipster like places like "Honey", a quirky restaurant north of Maidan.

Some specific examples to the contrary:

The Obalon riverwalk is ideal for day game, it is both relaxed and protected from the main street, and target rich, and has restaurants and bars within a few steps for insta-dates, even one of those "top golf" driving ranges to go. Go during the right times, especially after work or weekends, for best chances, otherwise there are too many mothers with children. As always, everything is dirt cheap for a western tourist. It's hard to imagine someone in good faith following Roosh's advice for self-improvement and game, running daygame in Obalon, and failing to be successful with high quality companionship.

Another gem, the underground supermarkets below Gulliver and Area City/Mandarin plaza, both have quality girls there, much more likely to be single than in the west, and are easy to open with a single phrase of что это?, and then switch into English as most speak enough to hold a basic conversation.

It is true, that I noticed fatties and freaks, but only because they were rare enough to stand out as abnormalities, as opposed to the west where the non-fat and fugly women are the stand-outs. The freaks were less than 1% of the total numbers on the street.

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So you have to put up with all this eastern europe SHIT (boring "yes" "no" "maybe" dialogues, constant bad mood, smiling is a crime, I am pretty I don't have to be smart, I never fuck on the first date, KGB interogation upfront, if you love me you have to buy me these shoes), and you don't even receive model quality in return ![/quote]

I didn't see that and hope for some photos you can take of the hordes of 5's with scowls on their faces, who dare to refuse to immediately put out for a foreigner.

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And one ore thing: THEY ARE GETTING FAT !!!

I don't if it's McDonalds or what it is. My Ukrainian ex was a skinny Dolphin just like I - we all - like 'em (she got fat like her mother only after she married this russian alcoholic), because they only had bread and the tomatoes and roots from the Datcha to eat. [/quote]

I didn't see more than two McDonalds my entire stay, counting the other cities as well, including Lviv. Foreign food like that is not that popular, the Ukranians like their own cuisine. I also would like know how marrying a foreign Alcoholic makes one fat, or how Tomatoes, an originally Mexican fruit, normally grown only in the late summer in mediterrean climates, is harvested in such numbers in rural Ukraine, a more northern and continental climate, presumably year-round, as to make someone fat. Fat on roots as well? Onions or parsnips? Details please, or perhaps if possible, the recipes they use for rutabagas.

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Maybe the HB are all moving to Moscow, or to the West. I know a couple. Ukraine is still dirt poor, and it's not that hard to get a visa any more, especially after Maidan.[/quote]

Why would the typical Ukrainian girl move to Russia, much less Moscow? Why do you think hot girls with miminal assets (if they are single, that will be the case) would easily get work or even tourist visas for the west? Why isn't the west crawling with a million recently-arrived Olgas and Natashas in form-fitting dresses and heels? Any stats you can cite? They don't like Russia much in general and Moscow has a particularly bad reputation as big dangerous city ruled by the arch-enemy, Putin.


Because in Moscow there is money, shitloads of money. And arch-enemy ... come on ... the ties between Russia and Ukraine are still strong on a personal level, despite the war and all. Almost everyone has relatives there.

I have no stats but I know a dozen ukraine girls who went to Germany without problems to get a Visa.

Also almost everyone with a little bit of money is going on vacation in Greece, Croatia ... it is much easier now to get Visa, because the West is in debt against Ukraine. They promised them to take them in, now the West has to deliver.

Quote: (09-17-2016 09:12 AM)freeloader Wrote:  

[quote] (09-13-2016 12:16 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

(09-13-2016, 04:31 PM)freeloader Wrote:  Guys, I have some bad news for you. Kiev is dead.

I mean hey, come on. I been in Moscow since 2005, and in Ukraine since 2008. When I was in Kiev last time in 2012, it was full of 9s and 10s. Right now, I walk thru the streets, all I see is fucking 5s !!!

What exact area were you at, when you say "streets"? What time of day and week was it? Are you saying they were 5s by your standards, or by say western standards? I was there as recently as a week ago, and I did not see many 5s at all, except at a few hipster like places like "Honey", a quirky restaurant north of Maidan.

Some specific examples to the contrary:

The Obalon riverwalk is ideal for day game, it is both relaxed and protected from the main street, and target rich, and has restaurants and bars within a few steps for insta-dates, even one of those "top golf" driving ranges to go. Go during the right times, especially after work or weekends, for best chances, otherwise there are too many mothers with children. As always, everything is dirt cheap for a western tourist. It's hard to imagine someone in good faith following Roosh's advice for self-improvement and game, running daygame in Obalon, and failing to be successful with high quality companionship.

Another gem, the underground supermarkets below Gulliver and Area City/Mandarin plaza, both have quality girls there, much more likely to be single than in the west, and are easy to open with a single phrase of что это?, and then switch into English as most speak enough to hold a basic conversation.

It is true, that I noticed fatties and freaks, but only because they were rare enough to stand out as abnormalities, as opposed to the west where the non-fat and fugly women are the stand-outs. The freaks were less than 1% of the total numbers on the street.

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So you have to put up with all this eastern europe SHIT (boring "yes" "no" "maybe" dialogues, constant bad mood, smiling is a crime, I am pretty I don't have to be smart, I never fuck on the first date, KGB interogation upfront, if you love me you have to buy me these shoes), and you don't even receive model quality in return !

I didn't see that and hope for some photos you can take of the hordes of 5's with scowls on their faces, who dare to refuse to immediately put out for a foreigner.

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And one ore thing: THEY ARE GETTING FAT !!!

I don't if it's McDonalds or what it is. My Ukrainian ex was a skinny Dolphin just like I - we all - like 'em (she got fat like her mother only after she married this russian alcoholic), because they only had bread and the tomatoes and roots from the Datcha to eat.

I didn't see more than two McDonalds my entire stay, counting the other cities as well, including Lviv. Foreign food like that is not that popular, the Ukranians like their own cuisine. I also would like know how marrying a foreign Alcoholic makes one fat, or how Tomatoes, an originally Mexican fruit, normally grown only in the late summer in mediterrean climates, is harvested in such numbers in rural Ukraine, a more northern and continental climate, presumably year-round, as to make someone fat. Fat on roots as well? Onions or parsnips? Details please, or perhaps if possible, the recipes they use for rutabagas.

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Maybe the HB are all moving to Moscow, or to the West. I know a couple. Ukraine is still dirt poor, and it's not that hard to get a visa any more, especially after Maidan.

Why would the typical Ukrainian girl move to Russia, much less Moscow? Why do you think hot girls with miminal assets (if they are single, that will be the case) would easily get work or even tourist visas for the west? Why isn't the west crawling with a million recently-arrived Olgas and Natashas in form-fitting dresses and heels? Any stats you can cite? They don't like Russia much in general and Moscow has a particularly bad reputation as big dangerous city ruled by the arch-enemy, Putin.


Because in Moscow there is money, shitloads of money. And arch-enemy ... come on ... the ties between Russia and Ukraine are still strong on a personal level, despite the war and all. Almost everyone has relatives there.

I have no stats but I know a dozen ukraine girls who went to Germany without problems to get a Visa.

Also almost everyone with a little bit of money is going on vacation in Greece, Croatia ... it is much easier now to get Visa, because the West is in debt against Ukraine. They promised them to take them in, now the West has to deliver.

I was in Kiev twice, the last time four years ago just before Euro 2012 and had an absolute blast each time. On my last trip I snagged a 7 and an 8 who have since gone on to settle down while I have roamed further on. It's easy to get nostalgic and look back at a certain time period with rose tinted glasses. However since I haven't returned since then, I will with hold any further judgement until I go back which is unlikely this year.

I wouldn't pay much attention to Scrambled, he's clearly trolling us

I'm in Kiev now. The guy who's making the comments about no talent and only 5's walking around. Yeah, okay bro...This is my third day in country and I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor. Went on date last night with beautiful woman and have plans to spent the day sightseeing with her. Solid 7.5 all the way across the board.

Nice Post! Like the way you got straight to the point. There hasn't been a good update on Kiev in awhile.

Unfortunately I won't be there during the summer. I wanted to check out some of the beach and pool venues.

I will be there early Novemberish for two and half months. I will be going out on the weekends mainly and will be taking Russian classes with private tutor.

Quote: (09-18-2016 12:26 AM)Schlep Wrote:  

I'm in Kiev now. The guy who's making the comments about no talent and only 5's walking around. Yeah, okay bro...This is my third day in country and I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor. Went on date last night with beautiful woman and have plans to spent the day sightseeing with her. Solid 7.5 all the way across the board.

Hi Schlep, I am the guy and I'm here since almost 2 weeks and still disappointed by the talent on the street. I saw two 8's and one 9 today in cafe (accompanied by a guy driving a Porsche). Are you mabye talking about the talent at night? Which clubs are you hitting? Can you recommend any cafes for daygame? I haven't found one yet with high talent.

I have to say that I don't go to places like SkyBar / Hooters / Coyote / Bhudda Bar, too many prostitutes and old hungry sex tourists. It's too depressing to see those absurdly hot 10s and know they are just in it for the money.

I go more to places like Keller Bar / Closer, and small bars in Podil. The quality there is mediocre. I guess in these alternative / cultural places it's the girls with brains.

And as we all know, this is the big dilemma of Ukraine: the hot girls who have the looks don't get education or try to have a career or train their brain. They think: I'm gonna get married anyway, so why bother. I rather have a great time while I'm young and hot, let the men invite me and pay for all, make Insta photos while I'm at it on the beach / in the clubs / in Thailand or Egypt or Turkey, enjoy my 4.000 facebook followers and feel like a star, do a daily selfie and some sparetime modelling. At 25 they get married. If they miss the last train they pimp their faces with surgery and marry a rich foreigner at 28.

The not so hot girls get an education or start a business or work. Those are the really interesting ones to talk to. But with rare exceptions they don't reach over a 7.

So far I had 2 online closes, both around 6-7. Though one was a 10 in bed with a fantastic body ;-).

All that said, let me add: I truly love Kiev, it's a great and super interesting city with real friendly people, a rich history and lots of things to do outside of chasing pussy. And right now it's dirt cheap, you can stay in a huge apartment and eat in the best restaurants for almost nothing.

In every city in the world 99% of the 10s will be with guys with porsches.

I agree that kiev streets arent paved with 9s and 10s.

And in 99% of the cities girls in techno/drug clubs and hipster bats will be bottom of the looks chain.

Theyre still a point higher in kiev than elsewhere though.

Going to the regular night clubs wont be the end of the world. Its not all prostitutes there. The hottest girls everywhere will be at the highest end venues.

Yeah but the clubs listed so far in the datasheets available on this site aren't the high end clubs. I mean "Sky Bar", Arena, come on. Middle aged businessmen trying to get lucky.

From what I have learned yesterday "CHI by Decadence House" is the place to be in this season. ул. Парковая дорога, 16 (Park Road 16).

Has anyone worked there yet? Do you need to reserve a table? Is it any good?

The places you listed have a very different vibe as well. Depending on the nights to. Coyote ugly has a huge young crowd and not many working girls.

No idea why hooters was included.

Buddha bar does have a lot of working girls

Sky bar is different crowds depending on the night.


I went to decadence when it was touch by decadence and not chi and found it to be the best party in town. Ive mentioned it in the huge ukraine master thread but datasheets get lost there.

The music was great and the crowd even better. I was with a local girl who knew the staff and she told me the door is tough usually. There was a substantial standing bar and table wasnt necessary for fun at all. Best bet would be to go to the restaurant early have some dinner and stay until late (again im assuming they kept same model, havent been to kiev since chi started)

I will never understand how on this forum

People will talk endlessly about shit like "dude no hot girls only 5s man" or "damn the girls here are so hot 8s picking up the garbage, 9s and 10s sucking my dick at McDs" and not post a single fucking pic

Quote: (09-23-2016 07:27 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

The places you listed have a very different vibe as well. Depending on the nights to. Coyote ugly has a huge young crowd and not many working girls.

No idea why hooters was included.

Buddha bar does have a lot of working girls

Sky bar is different crowds depending on the night.


I went to decadence when it was touch by decadence and not chi and found it to be the best party in town. Ive mentioned it in the huge ukraine master thread but datasheets get lost there.

The music was great and the crowd even better. I was with a local girl who knew the staff and she told me the door is tough usually. There was a substantial standing bar and table wasnt necessary for fun at all. Best bet would be to go to the restaurant early have some dinner and stay until late (again im assuming they kept same model, havent been to kiev since chi started)

Chi is indeed the new big thing but the $400-500 for table made me decide to give it a pass.

Mind you I was face controlled recently at Skybar at 2AM 2 weeks back on a Sat night. This never happened to me before there and I was dressed good so it probably was my wing. I was to tired to by that time to try to bribe the bouncers.

Without a some local connections, speaking Russian or a Russian speaking wingman higher end clubs are still way cheaper to my days for chipping in for tables in Vegas and fun for the eye candy .....but for most guys visiting for a short time Indigo, Caribbean, Coyote Ugly, etc are the way to go.

Whiteknightrises the 9s are rare on the streets.
The ones who access them regularly are part of the high end scene and venues.
What kiev has is a lot of cute 7s and very few sub 5s which makes it heaven for a lot of guys, plus the occasional 8.

What i like about kiev isnt necessarily about the quality per se, but i feel a certain quality is more accessible there than in other places. The average is higher which pushes the accessibility and quality a point higher.

Its not a sea of models but also anyone who hasnt seen beauties has just stuck around his apartment building garbage can waiting for one to cross the street.

Rishboy i went to skybar with girls as well. Im pretty sure id have been face controlled alone.

I think im the only one in history that "the bar" face controlled.... twice!

I think touch by decadence had around a 300 dollar table minimum. If i could guarantee access on the door whats nice about these clubs is to go to the bar and have bottles there at 1/4 of what i pay at home

Quote: (09-23-2016 08:28 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-23-2016 07:27 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

The places you listed have a very different vibe as well. Depending on the nights to. Coyote ugly has a huge young crowd and not many working girls.

No idea why hooters was included.

Buddha bar does have a lot of working girls

Sky bar is different crowds depending on the night.


I went to decadence when it was touch by decadence and not chi and found it to be the best party in town. Ive mentioned it in the huge ukraine master thread but datasheets get lost there.

The music was great and the crowd even better. I was with a local girl who knew the staff and she told me the door is tough usually. There was a substantial standing bar and table wasnt necessary for fun at all. Best bet would be to go to the restaurant early have some dinner and stay until late (again im assuming they kept same model, havent been to kiev since chi started)

Chi is indeed the new big thing but the $400-500 for table made me decide to give it a pass.

Mind you I was face controlled recently at Skybar at 2AM 2 weeks back on a Sat night. This never happened to me before there and I was dressed good so it probably was my wing. I was to tired to by that time to try to bribe the bouncers.

Without a some local connections, speaking Russian or a Russian speaking wingman higher end clubs are still way cheaper to my days for chipping in for tables in Vegas and fun for the eye candy .....but for most guys visiting for a short time Indigo, Caribbean, Coyote Ugly, etc are the way to go.

2am is too late to get in skybar. Just got face controled once over there and it was some years ago. I think it was also past 2am.

As for the other non high end clubs in Kiev...I roamed all of them only to end up always in the same high scale ones. Skybar, Decadence, Dali Park, Dlux...
Will give Indigo a try next month and that Decadence CHI that its the first time I am hearing about

One thing I can confirm from the Original Post of this thread is that the Bora Bora Beach Club is packed with 9s and 10s. That place is insane. I was there in July, unfortunately with a girl, so I couldn't approach. But the talent was incredible. Topmodels in tiny black bikinis - my brain was frozen. I couldn't believe what I saw. Living Barbie dolls. Legs so long and thin that you wonder how can they even walk. And of course the take the high heels off just directly at the pool. And they enter the water so super slowly, as if it was a shooting of a porn video. But I don't think that you have a chance with these Barbies. They are there for the Oligarchs. Also they don't look like they can speak a word of english. I would like to know if anyone on this forum has ever banged one of those creatures.

But there were also some 2-sets of gorgeous 8's there, those should be doable. Those girls save up their money all week just to be able to get in, and then meet a rich guy that saves them out of misery.

Too bad I couldn't come back in August.

I stopped by Bora Bora a few times during the day, it was pretty dead. Some sexy girls but mostly empty.

Nightlife in Kiev is mostly a let down, considering the number of attractive women in the city.

Chi has by far the most attractive pool of women. Sure, the cheapest table is 12000 uah, but entry is only 250 uah and drink prices are the same as Carribean or some other "middle of the road" type place. You can actually have a cheap night at Chi and check out the scene.

In fact, face control can be fiercer at places like Shooters and Saxon, than Chi or Dlux.

Quote: (09-23-2016 09:41 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote: (09-23-2016 08:28 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-23-2016 07:27 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

The places you listed have a very different vibe as well. Depending on the nights to. Coyote ugly has a huge young crowd and not many working girls.

No idea why hooters was included.

Buddha bar does have a lot of working girls

Sky bar is different crowds depending on the night.


I went to decadence when it was touch by decadence and not chi and found it to be the best party in town. Ive mentioned it in the huge ukraine master thread but datasheets get lost there.

The music was great and the crowd even better. I was with a local girl who knew the staff and she told me the door is tough usually. There was a substantial standing bar and table wasnt necessary for fun at all. Best bet would be to go to the restaurant early have some dinner and stay until late (again im assuming they kept same model, havent been to kiev since chi started)

Chi is indeed the new big thing but the $400-500 for table made me decide to give it a pass.

Mind you I was face controlled recently at Skybar at 2AM 2 weeks back on a Sat night. This never happened to me before there and I was dressed good so it probably was my wing. I was to tired to by that time to try to bribe the bouncers.

Without a some local connections, speaking Russian or a Russian speaking wingman higher end clubs are still way cheaper to my days for chipping in for tables in Vegas and fun for the eye candy .....but for most guys visiting for a short time Indigo, Caribbean, Coyote Ugly, etc are the way to go.

2am is too late to get in skybar. Just got face controled once over there and it was some years ago. I think it was also past 2am.

As for the other non high end clubs in Kiev...I roamed all of them only to end up always in the same high scale ones. Skybar, Decadence, Dali Park, Dlux...
Will give Indigo a try next month and that Decadence CHI that its the first time I am hearing about

I was in Kiev a few weeks ago and got into Skybar on a Friday rolling solo. First, they said I need to buy a minimum spend ticket. I looked him in the eyes, explained I don't drink much and negotiated. The doormen were cool and just charged me a nominal cover.

There was another group of Israeli guys who were happy to pay for the table.

There were cute girls there, but I expected higher quality from all the forum posts. I had a couple of drinks and checked out the place.

When I left, the doormen shook my hand.

I walked around the Arena atrium. I met a UA girl who said she modeled and lived in Milano. She said to meet at Chi and exchanged Whatsapp #s. I had a date the next day and went to my apt. Much later, she texted that she at Chi. I was already ready to crash, so I didn't pursue it. I told her we could meet on Saturday, but replied said No! My instincts told me she was flakey and expected to be pampered. Fuck that shit!

I would go to Chi to meet other girls, but not for a spoiled UA girl. It was a good sign other cute girls said Chi was the new high end venue.

Chi is on my list to visit next time. I really want to see the highest UA quality: beauty, intellect, education, and profession. I didn't get the same knockout beauty impression as I had in Scandinavia during the mid-90's.

I was in Chi last night.

What can I say, guys, I had a blast. This place is fucking awesome.

Wehn I arrived there at 0:30 I thought I am at a luxury car dealership. Dozens of brand new Porsches and Mercedes lining up in front of it.

Next thing I see is groups of 10's in skintight rope dresses, meeting and getting ready to get in. And when I say 10 I mean 10. Killer legs, tight dresses, tall and skinny, long shiny hair, full lips - OMG. I was getting nervous. I will never get in.

After months of travelling I badly needed a haircut, and my outfit was so so. The other guys were all suited up.

So I mix with the crowd and we go up in the elevator. I stare at the girls bodies like a Beta, I just can't help it. I mean legs like this, on 20 cm high heels, you never ever see in Germany. Don't exist.

I line up at the reserved line, wait 5 Minute, the guy is friendly and sends me to the pay line. All the time some Mafia Dudes arrive in groups of 5 or 7 and are waved through, so I'm not sure if I will get in.

Next to me a 9 is waiting, with legs I would kill for, the bouncer sends her away! I don't know why. Was she a pro? Should have asked her to come in with me (door game).

So the guy asks me " Are you alone", I say yes, he let's me in !

I pay the ridiculous fee of only 250 HUA and am I'm in !

In heaven ! It's a great venue. The music was great, great sound system. Really good DJs. And the talent - mindblowing. Ok if you are allergic to breast implants and pumped lips - maybe not so much. I kinda like it. Kissing is kinda strange but I had my dick sucked by such lips and it feels great. Also i don't like the feel of breat implants, it makes me laugh every time and loose respect, but if she has a tight dolpin body who cares. I just ride her from behind and grab her hair. Most of them have issues with low self esteem. After sex these kinda girls are often supersad, because you just consumed her biggest asset, and she knows she has not much more to offer and you gonna dump her soon. Also i feel sad myself because I got what I wanted and know that now I have to stand through bullshit talk or no talk.
So yeah, overall natural girls are more fun.

But anyhow, the field at CHI is awesome for working. Three long bars, with plenty of option to open.

And the talent ! OMG! Unbelievable. I go to the remotest bar in the back to order a drink. Next to me 2 hot girls drinking Aperol Spritz, I tap the one next to me on the shoulder and ask what she is drinking, she smiles and tells me ! I mean, in Germany or most other location this 8 would have frowned, looked at me like I was an idiot, told me coldly, maybe laughed about my move, and turned away (it wasn't even amoev, I really wanted to know). But not here. I order my drink and we start to talk.

2 sets are always the best, as we all know, 2 sets are out there because they want a guy. The first girl had a bf, but her friend was single and so I focus on her. Just looking at this gorgeous face while talking, smelling her hair, making her laugh was a total pleasure. Unfortunately her english is not the best, but I fb close her half an hour later. I dance with her but she doesn't want me to escalate, so I neg her by going away, to work on the other end of the club.

There is a blonde 10 with amazing body just sitting at the border of the dancefloor on the edge of a table or something. I stand next to her, smile, shes smiles, I toast, she toasts back, laughs because she spills her drink. I start to talk to her, she is nice and responsive. I was thinking to myself like: what the hell is going on, do I look like Brad Pitt today? A 10 in the clubs I know in the west would have bitchfaced, frowned, maybe just turned away without saying a word. Not here. Within a couple of minutes I know her name and profession, and that she has a boyfriend. I politely exit.
(Later she smiles at me and says Hello (my name) when walking by, so I should have maybe been more persistent and at least fb closed her, but the talent was so abundant, you know how it is - you wanna keep going and work the field thoroughly. Also when I asked her name she didn't immediately ask mine - always a warning sign for me to dump soon).

I get checked out a lot. I do the bathroom game Take a position close to the ladies room, where they ALL walk by eventually, then try to establish eye contact. If you get, go after her caveman style and say "Stop". They stop every time. You say "I wanna talk to you. Let's go the bar." Mostly you get a "I don't speak english", but that's not a No. You are in her Radar now and can open her later by just saying "hey, how are you", as if you were friends.

I invited her for a drink later (Beta style I know, but I didn't give a fuck that night.). We had a nice chat and I number closed.

You can't pull and fuck here anyway. 2 dates before the lay is standard in Kiev. Mostly 3. Talking at the bar for an hour doesn't bring you closer to that, so I keep interactions short.

I have to work today, so I should have left, but I just couldn't. Every time you think "shit man I gotta go get some sleep", you see this awesome 9 or 10 uncockblocked walking by or standing around. At around 3am girls were getting drunk.

I saw some pros gaming that looked western, probably some from the forum. But not many. No sex tourists, no hungry looking arabs.

Many 10s of course were stuck to the table of their sponsors. But you could get eye contact and open them when they walked to the dancefloor or toilet. One time I was checking out this amazing 9 dancing alone at her table. She seems responsive. She leaves her zone (not by conicidence, women don't do that by random), walks close bye, I hit.
"No english". Okay I was getting drunk and my game started to deteriorate. I negged her and moved on. The biggest mistake in this moment is to beg Beta style for more of her life time.

Drinks are cheap and good and big and the bar is fast and supernice.

The aircon works fantastic, many people smoke but the air is fresh and clean.

Unfortunately many of the 9.10s don't speak good english. Like i said in another post - as a girl, if you got killer looks down here you think you don't need to educate yourself. It's a real drag. When they are older (end 20) they have travelled with their sponsor, and speak decent english.

I some some babes standing around looking like they desperately wanted to sit down. So if you have a table there you could easily pull by inviting them to your table. In these high heels, for hours - must be torture.

Anyone here who wants to share a table tomorrow?

I forgot to say that most dudes in the place are older, something between 25 and 50. Many of the local guys ain't so bad looking. But their game is lame, mostly bold and caveman, so you can step in.

If you are 42 like me, you can work well in the 27-31 girls region there. Girls who are divorced or were dumped by their sponsor. It's awesome. I mean with 42 I hit the wall in many place in my home town, here it is absolutely no problem. But you have to dress nicely and wear a good watch.

If I only spoke russian, damn !!

Damn! The model was actually giving me legitimate intel. Too many options, not enough time in Kiev.

This is the kind of venue I was seeking. I know they exist.

Next trip requires good intel and planning with venue selection. I'm all for improvising, but if one goes to the venues which don't fit their status, then they're not realizing their fullest potential.

Good report.

Quote: (09-24-2016 04:53 AM)freeloader Wrote:  

I was in Chi last night.

What can I say, guys, I had a blast. This place is fucking awesome.

Wehn I arrived there at 0:30 I thought I am at a luxury car dealership. Dozens of brand new Porsches and Mercedes lining up in front of it.

Next thing I see is groups of 10's in skintight rope dresses, meeting and getting ready to get in. And when I say 10 I mean 10. Killer legs, tight dresses, tall and skinny, long shiny hair, full lips - OMG. I was getting nervous. I will never get in.

After months of travelling I badly needed a haircut, and my outfit was so so. The other guys were all suited up.

So I mix with the crowd and we go up in the elevator. I stare at the girls bodies like a Beta, I just can't help it. I mean legs like this, on 20 cm high heels, you never ever see in Germany. Don't exist.

I line up at the reserved line, wait 5 Minute, the guy is friendly and sends me to the pay line. All the time some Mafia Dudes arrive in groups of 5 or 7 and are waved through, so I'm not sure if I will get in.

Next to me a 9 is waiting, with legs I would kill for, the bouncer sends her away! I don't know why. Was she a pro? Should have asked her to come in with me (door game).

So the guy asks me " Are you alone", I say yes, he let's me in !

I pay the ridiculous fee of only 250 HUA and am I'm in !

In heaven ! It's a great venue. The music was great, great sound system. Really good DJs. And the talent - mindblowing. Ok if you are allergic to breast implants and pumped lips - maybe not so much. I kinda like it. Kissing is kinda strange but I had my dick sucked by such lips and it feels great. Also i don't like the feel of breat implants, it makes me laugh every time and loose respect, but if she has a tight dolpin body who cares. I just ride her from behind and grab her hair. Most of them have issues with low self esteem. After sex these kinda girls are often supersad, because you just consumed her biggest asset, and she knows she has not much more to offer and you gonna dump her soon. Also i feel sad myself because I got what I wanted and know that now I have to stand through bullshit talk or no talk.
So yeah, overall natural girls are more fun.

But anyhow, the field at CHI is awesome for working. Three long bars, with plenty of option to open.

And the talent ! OMG! Unbelievable. I go to the remotest bar in the back to order a drink. Next to me 2 hot girls drinking Aperol Spritz, I tap the one next to me on the shoulder and ask what she is drinking, she smiles and tells me ! I mean, in Germany or most other location this 8 would have frowned, looked at me like I was an idiot, told me coldly, maybe laughed about my move, and turned away (it wasn't even amoev, I really wanted to know). But not here. I order my drink and we start to talk.

2 sets are always the best, as we all know, 2 sets are out there because they want a guy. The first girl had a bf, but her friend was single and so I focus on her. Just looking at this gorgeous face while talking, smelling her hair, making her laugh was a total pleasure. Unfortunately her english is not the best, but I fb close her half an hour later. I dance with her but she doesn't want me to escalate, so I neg her by going away, to work on the other end of the club.

There is a blonde 10 with amazing body just sitting at the border of the dancefloor on the edge of a table or something. I stand next to her, smile, shes smiles, I toast, she toasts back, laughs because she spills her drink. I start to talk to her, she is nice and responsive. I was thinking to myself like: what the hell is going on, do I look like Brad Pitt today? A 10 in the clubs I know in the west would have bitchfaced, frowned, maybe just turned away without saying a word. Not here. Within a couple of minutes I know her name and profession, and that she has a boyfriend. I politely exit.
(Later she smiles at me and says Hello (my name) when walking by, so I should have maybe been more persistent and at least fb closed her, but the talent was so abundant, you know how it is - you wanna keep going and work the field thoroughly. Also when I asked her name she didn't immediately ask mine - always a warning sign for me to dump soon).

I get checked out a lot. I do the bathroom game Take a position close to the ladies room, where they ALL walk by eventually, then try to establish eye contact. If you get, go after her caveman style and say "Stop". They stop every time. You say "I wanna talk to you. Let's go the bar." Mostly you get a "I don't speak english", but that's not a No. You are in her Radar now and can open her later by just saying "hey, how are you", as if you were friends.

I invited her for a drink later (Beta style I know, but I didn't give a fuck that night.). We had a nice chat and I number closed.

You can't pull and fuck here anyway. 2 dates before the lay is standard in Kiev. Mostly 3. Talking at the bar for an hour doesn't bring you closer to that, so I keep interactions short.

I have to work today, so I should have left, but I just couldn't. Every time you think "shit man I gotta go get some sleep", you see this awesome 9 or 10 uncockblocked walking by or standing around. At around 3am girls were getting drunk.

I saw some pros gaming that looked western, probably some from the forum. But not many. No sex tourists, no hungry looking arabs.

Many 10s of course were stuck to the table of their sponsors. But you could get eye contact and open them when they walked to the dancefloor or toilet. One time I was checking out this amazing 9 dancing alone at her table. She seems responsive. She leaves her zone (not by conicidence, women don't do that by random), walks close bye, I hit.
"No english". Okay I was getting drunk and my game started to deteriorate. I negged her and moved on. The biggest mistake in this moment is to beg Beta style for more of her life time.

Drinks are cheap and good and big and the bar is fast and supernice.

The aircon works fantastic, many people smoke but the air is fresh and clean.

Unfortunately many of the 9.10s don't speak good english. Like i said in another post - as a girl, if you got killer looks down here you think you don't need to educate yourself. It's a real drag. When they are older (end 20) they have travelled with their sponsor, and speak decent english.

I some some babes standing around looking like they desperately wanted to sit down. So if you have a table there you could easily pull by inviting them to your table. In these high heels, for hours - must be torture.

Anyone here who wants to share a table tomorrow?

I forgot to say that most dudes in the place are older, something between 25 and 50. Many of the local guys ain't so bad looking. But their game is lame, mostly bold and caveman, so you can step in.

If you are 42 like me, you can work well in the 27-31 girls region there. Girls who are divorced or were dumped by their sponsor. It's awesome. I mean with 42 I hit the wall in many place in my home town, here it is absolutely no problem. But you have to dress nicely and wear a good watch.

If I only spoke russian, damn !!

Will be there in three weeks, I will gladly share a table.

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Will be there in three weeks, I will gladly share a table.
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great but we need a third guy cos the cheapest table is 400€.

who's in?

I'll be there next week, am down to getting a table