[Prof. Ligate]

I think the more you dwell on the "condition of the average frustrated chump", the less success you're going to have

If you want that "dream relationship" with a sweetheart... yes, 2015 fucking sucks

BUT..

Even though cute girls aren't exactly going to be "evenly distributed" (20% of guys are going to be banging 80% of these cute girls)...

Even though you might have to "jump through a few hoops" (like anything worth pursuing, game isn't easy)...

You have to adapt.
You have to grow.
You have to become one of "those guys".

Just have fun. Stop giving a fuck. Tighten your game. And enjoy the decline by banging a shit-tonne of club whores

Best way to avoid the "condition of the average frustrated chump"... stop being a chump!

[Moma]

(06-09-2015 08:12 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

The one thing I don't get is how everyone has such different opinions on the same subject with some respected guys like Giovanny (from San Fransisco), Saladin (from Toronto?) & Moma saying it is pretty good while other respected guys like Tuthmosis, Vitriol & rudebwoy saying the exact opposite.

It depends on your game (looks, location and wealth). One's intents also bears a strong impact on how they will see the lizards. Some guys just wanna fcuk (which makes Western lizards perfect as they do all sorts of porno shyt). It's the guys who want to have a romantic relationship that will complain. The lizards are no longer effeminate. They are strong, manly, independent. This means a dearth of femininity, an inability to cook, lack of empathy for male mood and so forth.

[Roosh]

Quote:

A while back, Roosh sent out a tweet or made a comment here that said that, in the near future, American men will need to be straight-up famous to get some quality pussy. Those words may prove prophetic.

I wrote this five years ago:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-future-of-game

[Blackwell]

Quote:

I wrote this five years ago:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-future-of-game

Damn Roosh that truly is prophetical.

I remember somebody on here once saying they feel like they are surrounded by the 'great philosophers of our time'.

Not to sound grandiose but there many be some truth to that.

My question is...

Where do is it end? What's the endgame for this kind of moral collapse of society? How does the bubble burst?

I know somebody mentioned zero birth rates or whatever.

But in terms of the dating market exclusively. Does it just get progressively more and more difficult until there is some mind of fight back?

[Dalaran1991]

(06-08-2015 06:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

It may not blow up, because the kids growing up won't know what they are missing. Slaves all throughout the Roman empire died sexless men, they didn't revolt and even when some guys tried it always ended in an absolute massacre.

Guys can also resort to whores, 3d porn, sex bots, or rape as well.

I dont think that it will be ever possible to really hide something like "the good old days" with the internet anymore. Many groups are and will pro-actively talk and try to usher in a return to the traditional. Guys will know what they are missing on, but it is true that they might know but do nothing about it just like they are doing now.

Im just hoping that maybe, just maybe, the inaction of the AFC today is because it has NOT gotten bad enough, and when we are actually talking about real notch count of zero and using sexbot instead, even the most clueless guys will have to say "thats enough".

The whole zero birthrate thing sounds pretty scary though, and the left might even promote it with artificial means of reproduction. Its not like the government actually cares about the future of society.

What I would like to hear discussed is, how is this disease spreading to other Western countries? Im in Paris and things are not really good but cant say its bad either, but I clearly see a trend developping. Girls are getting fatter though few people buy the whole fat acceptance shit. Shit like 50 shades are getting more popular. Attention whoring is shooting through the roof and smartphone is getting more rampant. its like watching USA going down in the early 2000.

[Teedub]

(06-09-2015 09:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

A while back, Roosh sent out a tweet or made a comment here that said that, in the near future, American men will need to be straight-up famous to get some quality pussy. Those words may prove prophetic.

I wrote this five years ago:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-future-of-game

That's crazily accurate. Especially the first two points. Getting hot girls in their early twenties to commit to anything (relationships, dates etc) is extremely difficult. Western culture is completely toxic.

[BrazilianCocaine]

(06-10-2015 02:50 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Im in Paris and things are not really good but cant say its bad either, but I clearly see a trend developping. Girls are getting fatter though few people buy the whole fat acceptance shit. Shit like 50 shades are getting more popular. Attention whoring is shooting through the roof and smartphone is getting more rampant. its like watching USA going down in the early 2000.

Baiser cette merde!!!!

[CH-Toronto]

It's one of my favourite articles. Isn't there another post with the circle graphs somewhere.

This line is incredibly telling:

Quote:

The climate of the future will make it tough for a handsome man with a nice, middle-class job to land a pretty girl. Of course it will happen, as those girls will settle down eventually in their 30s, but the majority of men will not be successful at it.

While it doesn't get talked about as much- some posts from DC Bachelor are just as prescient.

[StrikeBack]

(06-09-2015 09:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I wrote this five years ago:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-future-of-game

I remember reading this, but thought at the time that it wouldn't happen before 2020...

It's definitely accelerating, and at a way faster rate than most guys can improve their own values and Game.

Time to abandon ship and head overseas for a few years of enjoying true femininity before this plague of our time spreads all over the world.

[Giovonny]

(06-07-2015 08:50 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I see a lot of older players such as Giovanny, just constantly espouse "Learn game and you'll be okay," when in reality that could be very, very bad advice for young guys.

Wait?!?!??

Are you sure you have the right Giovonny?

I encourage self improvement and self development in all areas.

How could that be bad advice?

Please explain.

[Samseau]

(06-10-2015 04:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:50 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I see a lot of older players such as Giovanny, just constantly espouse "Learn game and you'll be okay," when in reality that could be very, very bad advice for young guys.

Wait?!?!??

Are you sure you have the right Giovonny?

I encourage self improvement and self development in all areas.

How could that be bad advice?

Please explain.

Ask and ye shall receive:

(02-10-2013 04:20 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 06:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I think the worst part of being a player is knowing that you'll never be able to have it all.

I like to think that players CAN have it all.

We can have a loving relationship with a woman if we want to. We can have children if we want to. We can move to another country if we want to. We can bang young hotties if we want to. We can do anything we want!

Its our player knowledge and training that allows us to take advantage of these options and craft a lifestyle that suits us best.

Isn't that what powerful men have done throughout history? Have a loving family but also bang hot pussy on the side!

I'm not recommending marriage, I'm just saying that if you want love, you can have it, you might have to go to another country to get it, but, its there if we want it.

We can focus our efforts on being a full time playboy, go out every night, approach like crazy, move to New York City, get buffed, dress well, etc.

We can go to easy places like SEA, South America, Dominican Republic, Philippines, etc.

We can integrate ourselves into other cultures like Roosh has done in Europe. We can literally identify the type of woman we want and then relocate to where that type of woman is in abundance.

We can get married. We can have kids.

We can do it all. If we want to.

We've been disagreeing with each other for years over this subject.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

Lots of guys on this forum are looking to get out of the west. I suspect this trend will increase. Things are bad in all areas of life, and can realistically be expected to get much worse in the next few years

• Tax slavery will get worse. The smaller and smaller number of productive income generating people will be increasingly condemned, reviled, and taxed, and penalized
• The number of laws and regulations will grow way past the current 80,000 or so, as every single area of human activity is subjected to pervasive government regulation, with forms to fill out, inspections to pass, fines to pay, and bureaucrats whose job it is to constantly revise and expand the regulatory system
• The constant condemnation of men and glorification of strong independent women in the media, workplace, government and educational system will get substantially worse.
• Family and divorce law will get even more extreme
• Women will get even sluttier, fatter, more masculine, less interested in looking pretty and girly. They will be in your face about the fact that men don't like them that way, but men can't do anything about it. They're strong and independent!
  

So, I expect that neomasculine ideas will spread until most men are aware of them, and men will stop making any excuses for how women need this preferential treatment.

In past generations, there have been huge waves of emigration from failing countries. What percentage of Mexicans came to the US during peak years of immigration? What percentage of Irish came to America in the 1800's and early 1900's? What percentage of Vietnamese left their country in the 70's, or Cuban's left after Castro took power? Under the right circumstances, the percentage of people who want to emigrate can be very high.

I think the neomasculine message should frankly encourage huge numbers of Western men to leave, and find a better life abroad. We'll be voting against western women and western treatment of men with our feet. Maybe the women will start to realize the error of their ways. But if not, who cares? We'll be gone.

[Samseau]

(06-10-2015 09:51 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

Lots of guys on this forum are looking to get out of the west. I suspect this trend will increase. Things are bad in all areas of life, and can realistically be expected to get much worse in the next few years

• Tax slavery will get worse. The smaller and smaller number of productive income generating people will be increasingly condemned, reviled, and taxed, and penalized
• The number of laws and regulations will grow way past the current 80,000 or so, as every single area of human activity is subjected to pervasive government regulation, with forms to fill out, inspections to pass, fines to pay, and bureaucrats whose job it is to constantly revise and expand the regulatory system
• The constant condemnation of men and glorification of strong independent women in the media, workplace, government and educational system will get substantially worse.
• Family and divorce law will get even more extreme
• Women will get even sluttier, fatter, more masculine, less interested in looking pretty and girly. They will be in your face about the fact that men don't like them that way, but men can't do anything about it. They're strong and independent!
  

So, I expect that neomasculine ideas will spread until most men are aware of them, and men will stop making any excuses for how women need this preferential treatment.

In past generations, there have been huge waves of emigration from failing countries. What percentage of Mexicans came to the US during peak years of immigration? What percentage of Irish came to America in the 1800's and early 1900's? What percentage of Vietnamese left their country in the 70's, or Cuban's left after Castro took power? Under the right circumstances, the percentage of people who want to emigrate can be very high.

I think the neomasculine message should frankly encourage huge numbers of Western men to leave, and find a better life abroad. We'll be voting against western women and western treatment of men with our feet. Maybe the women will start to realize the error of their ways. But if not, who cares? We'll be gone.

The thing is, the US could easily turn the continent into an open air prison at some point. Only places to run are Canada (which is in full compliance with US) or Mexico if they shut down the planes.

Emigration will need to be pre-emptive if you want to do it, and once you do there's probably no coming back once the US decides to lock down it's borders (unless you're an illegal alien coming in to work for slave wages, of course). And to go to a poor part of the world you'll need a big stack of cash before you go because you probably won't be able to make much money once you get there.

Also, where is the best place to go? You'll need to learn the laws very carefully and secure your place as a foreigner, make sure your area isn't on the path to Americanization, and remember that some parts of the world are very hostile to US citizens (the USA has been shitting on countries for 100 years now) who will not have a second thought of killing you and taking your money.

Typically, when other people emigrated it was to other countries culturally similar to themselves or to the USA where people have enjoyed high freedom. When the USA goes belly up, it's like Reagan said: "There's no where left to go."

Honestly, staying and fighting (if it comes to that) has it's appeal. A glorious last stand:

If you do decide on the fighting route, I recommend this site.

But remember, long before the shooting starts, there is also the peaceful solution that may work out.

[greekgod]

(06-06-2015 12:38 AM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

Using this thread as motivation.

As an actual dude with very low notches, I can tell you the biggest things holding me back:

1. Fear of rejection. Biggest issue. It causes self loathing and is a self esteem destroyer. As guys who don't fit the tall dark muscular and handsome mold (if they did they wouldn't be in this situation) we already largely aware of our defecienies and rejection cements these defecienies as accepted truth. Somehow success in other areas of life doesn't translate to women. I completely changed my appearance on 3 years by hitting the gym hard, gained 30 lbs, encountered a lot of setbacks and overcame them. Did not help with my confidence. My best friend pokes fun at me saying I'm the only person who had a big transformation in the gym and didn't gain a drop of confidence.

Forget about approaching with this mentality. Brain will male hamster itself a bunch if excuses as to why not to do it. AFC is not doing approaches, or does them once in a blue and is unprepared and fails and will make excuses to not do it again for an extended period. Lots of lost opportunity here via missing out on cues for random encounters by not capitalizing on eye contact and other IOIs.

2. Lack of knowledge of sexual attraction:
Don't know how to act around girls. Lack of confidence due to self esteem as posted above leads to unnatural interactions with women because you're uncomfortable. This makes it awkward and unenjoyable. Once past initial awkwardness, I just talked to girls. I am a pretty good conversationalist and had great conversations due to my work and travel, but looking back now, I was only building comfort but not attraction which pushed me right into the friendzone. For an socially awkward or possibly not so high test (or confidence) male, it wasn't built into me how to sexually escalate with women. I used to dread make out, despite being a great kisser. I wasn't taking the lead, in fact, I was afraid. Afraid to screw it up, because it took so long to get this one and we know the next one is far off. This also leads to oneitis. The lack of attraction building tarts us down the path to non sexual friendship and a bad frame.

3. All the above leads to lack of abundance. Lack of abundance causes oneitis on undeserving women (I still believe in love and a good relationship with a good women is possible while still maintaining frame but now realize very few women deserve it). Lack of abundance causes men to do stupid things for pussy. Invest too much time and effort. Accept shit from women. Treat her too nicely, you invest in the relationship more than she does. Then you don't get the buns, and everything comes full circle back to point 1 reinforcing the low self esteem which then deepens the cycle. This is compounded by social media and TV showing tall attractive in shape dudes to men who are weak minded due to points 1 2 3 and further still reinforces these beliefs.


These are your AFC issues in 2015.

I'm still trying to get over the being short hump. It's a tough hill because it's so important and unchangeable. Most guys are just too lazy to fix themselves and are little bitches. I don't have time for the gym, I don't like shopping, who cares about style.

It takes a lot of dedication and perseverance to overcome these changes and most men who are in these situations are too weak minded and excuse ridden to change.

I was and kid of still am one of them.

/.02.

I truly believe it just a lack of testosterone. Game is mimicking actions of high test men mixed with reading and recognizing small patterns in women. Das it.

Fear of rejection is the biggest issue with lack of abundance and I can testify to this first hand.

A little background, I am probably around the 25-30 notch count and racked up a ton as a teen while in a a relationship. I constantly had girls throwing themselves at me and usually rejected out of obligation/guilt to my girl. It has fucked my head for the past 7 years. I finally took out a pen and paper three months ago and wrote down every girl I could have fucked if I escalated. Sure, some would have fallen off for whatever reason but we are talking almost 40+ opportunities with girls in the 5-6+ range that I literally turtled on. Built the interactions up in my mind so much that I was scared of the real life result.

I was so in my head about everything and the past. Long story short, getting it out on paper led me to the biggest and most obvious realization of all. IT DOESNT MATTER. It matters what I've learned.

If i didn't take that giant step backward, I wouldn't be self interested and pursuing my own desires currently. I'd be married and building a life around some chick's dreams which would eventually result in resentment and most likely divorce.

What matters now is that I take the chance. I put it out there and let the chips fall where they may. Yes, it is a slow process because I subscribe to organic interaction but my confidence levels are higher than they have been in the past five years. It all started when I examined why I am so afraid.

I was afraid of being judged because I allowed myself to be conditioned that men are dirty creeps for expressing what comes naturally to us. I let the media, disney, and ideals guide my actions as opposed to my desires.

So after laying a ton of my personal shit and projecting onto your post let me say this;

1. Your height doesn't matter. When you are fucking it doesn't matter. When you are confident it doesn't matter.
2. Find out what you are so afraid of.
3. Reject societies advice when it comes to male sexuality. It doesnt have your interest in mind.
4. Be free dude. You are going to die one day and so is everyone else. Your height, ego, and fears will all be dust.

My haul back to get my confidence levels to where I want them to be has been grueling but I wouldn't change it for anything. I'm 27, free, and prepared for the next chapter.

If I can lose all confidence and rebuild so can you.

[N°6]

(06-08-2015 06:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Samseau, lets say things get as bad as you say. Do you think there will come a time when most guys will say "fuck this shit" and blow up? Or will society succeed in making men docile sexless bots?

You can not have a society function like that. In order to keep the beta man working you need to give him some sexual gratification. If it actually come to most men not having ANY sex somebody is gonna notice that the boat is sinking and people will jump ship.

5-8 notch count life time is still pretty good given that one notch will probably earn him repeats fucks, but in your scenario Samseau we are talking about zero sex for the majority of men who are not good looking. And you can only fool people so much with photos.

This is where there is hope for men.

On one level, a below average Western woman having more notches and easier access to the sexual market than an above average Western man shows men's recent decline in value.

On the other hand, the AFC's typical notch count of six over a span of 15 years represents a lot of repeat bangs and the cultivation of social and relationship skills. Life is a marathon and not a sprint.

These women with front-loaded value and who seem to get ahead by sprinting through the notch counts really cannot form and maintain a relationship. Given that many come from single mothers, they cannot even bond socially with men.

[worldtraveler3]

A very good article on the 'decline of man'.
http://www.economist.com/news/essays/216...nhoodessay

Men are not winning the majority of the 'brain work' jobs around the world, more likely to fail at school, rise of technology and china replacing unskilled workers in developed countries, women more picker on choosing a mate, etc.
This is all despite the fact that the top 1% is still doing pretty well (CEOs, actors etc), but for the average joe, things are declining.

[Akula]

(06-14-2015 02:47 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

A very good article on the 'decline of man'.
http://www.economist.com/news/essays/216...nhoodessay

Men are not winning the majority of the 'brain work' jobs around the world, more likely to fail at school, rise of technology and china replacing unskilled workers in developed countries, women more picker on choosing a mate, etc.
This is all despite the fact that the top 1% is still doing pretty well (CEOs, actors etc), but for the average joe, things are declining.

There's a thread for that article on the forum here FYI: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-48057....=economist

And the article is deeply flawed, as the thread points out. It starts out by blaming men for "not adjusting" and goes on to make all sorts of rationales as to why, conveniently omitting a lot of the well-known reasons we talk about ad infinitum on this forum.

Even the opening headlines sum it up like it's men's fault (!) ("Badly educated men in rich countries have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism.") Oh really?

Although it's a start to addressing the problem of Feminism and female superiority that's been written into law, it's still a very blue-pill article seeking to foist the blame back on men urging them to figure it out and "get with the program" re Feminism, "equality" and the new world order.

[Druber]

I feel the book: The Precariat: The New Dangerous Class, addresses this issue better than the article.

[worldtraveler3]

Some interesting facts mentioned. But I wonder why would a "economy" magazine write such an article. Aren't they suppose to be seriously investigating the global economy and analyzing different companies?

[Ingocnito]

You really have to have a lot of lines in the water now. From career to women, and everything in between. Forget putting all your eggs in one basket.

In fact, forget putting all your eggs in 3 baskets. I'm learning that if I want to get back to having a "decent" main and a few side pieces, rather than a bunch or random fucks that may or may not become repeat fucks, I need to work on 3 girls who have "main" potential (just to etch out 1 keeper), and 5-15 others to have random repeat side ass.

Does that make me an average frustrated chump in 2015? Not really, but no doubt I expect to put in more work than I did just in 2013 to maintain levels comparable. Maybe it's my frame that changes, but as soon as I start to reduce game efforts, the whole spectrum starts to wane. Main prospects and side pieces alike lose interest.

What's keeping them hooked nowadays is planting the idea in their heads that you "might" be a player, whether you truly are or not.

[Phoenix]

One piece of information I'd really love to have is the sex distribution. There's no way to access it unfortunately (no way to broadly survey it accurately). I suspect that there is a very top heavy distribution, but how extreme it is is impossible to know. We only here occasionally about how Simmons/Jagger/Castro banged thousands. On the question of "would men revolt" if they knew, for example the top 1% had an average of 20 women on the go every year, and the bottom 25% had nothing for years on end or ever, how could they revolt? In what way? Unlike wealth, this is a legitimate zero-sum game.

The ultimate enemies of the chumps are parents generally. They are supposed to be the upholders of social morality and providers of guidance. They should be holding their daughters to "marry young" and teaching their sons how to be upright successful men. Instead they let their daughters go off to college to be sluts, and teach their sons nothing. This would bring things back to (relatively) low notch counts for the cads and one quality wife for most men.

[BrazilianCocaine]

(06-14-2015 11:26 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

What's keeping them hooked nowadays is planting the idea in their heads that you "might" be a player, whether you truly are or not.

I highly doubt the average guy has time or energy for this which is why MGTOW will continue to rise. Personally between work, hobbies and personal development if I didn't already have a Woman I would not put much effort into getting one at all. My life as a whole is getting better and better exponentially every year due to career progression and wisdom obtained. Why slow that growth chasing hoes who provide little to no value ? Hoes will always be there even when you are 65 and wrinkly. Although I don't think I will be wrinkly as I take very good care of my health. I would just be one of those guys who pump and dump and when they protest say "I'm too old for marriage and commitment, you should try and actually make something work with a young man your own age and stop being such a superficial cunt"...

I think once male birth control, virtual reality porn along with sex androids make their headways in the next 25 years we will start to see a pendulum shift back in our favor. Women can't hold out for long and the 1% of Alpha Males can only handle 100 Women a year at best with the time and refractory period to deal with. Millions of Women will still have their bubbles bursted at some point and have to finally get in touch with reality.

Technology helped the Betas thus far and will continue to do so as it evolves. If it didn't, we would have evolved to be gigantic creatures with no intelligence capable of killing buffalo just with one bare handed chop.

[MaceTyrell]

(06-06-2015 12:38 AM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

Using this thread as motivation.

As an actual dude with very low notches, I can tell you the biggest things holding me back:

1. Fear of rejection. Biggest issue. It causes self loathing and is a self esteem destroyer. As guys who don't fit the tall dark muscular and handsome mold (if they did they wouldn't be in this situation) we already largely aware of our defecienies and rejection cements these defecienies as accepted truth. Somehow success in other areas of life doesn't translate to women. I completely changed my appearance on 3 years by hitting the gym hard, gained 30 lbs, encountered a lot of setbacks and overcame them. Did not help with my confidence. My best friend pokes fun at me saying I'm the only person who had a big transformation in the gym and didn't gain a drop of confidence.

Forget about approaching with this mentality. Brain will male hamster itself a bunch if excuses as to why not to do it. AFC is not doing approaches, or does them once in a blue and is unprepared and fails and will make excuses to not do it again for an extended period. Lots of lost opportunity here via missing out on cues for random encounters by not capitalizing on eye contact and other IOIs.

2. Lack of knowledge of sexual attraction:
Don't know how to act around girls. Lack of confidence due to self esteem as posted above leads to unnatural interactions with women because you're uncomfortable. This makes it awkward and unenjoyable. Once past initial awkwardness, I just talked to girls. I am a pretty good conversationalist and had great conversations due to my work and travel, but looking back now, I was only building comfort but not attraction which pushed me right into the friendzone. For an socially awkward or possibly not so high test (or confidence) male, it wasn't built into me how to sexually escalate with women. I used to dread make out, despite being a great kisser. I wasn't taking the lead, in fact, I was afraid. Afraid to screw it up, because it took so long to get this one and we know the next one is far off. This also leads to oneitis. The lack of attraction building tarts us down the path to non sexual friendship and a bad frame.

3. All the above leads to lack of abundance. Lack of abundance causes oneitis on undeserving women (I still believe in love and a good relationship with a good women is possible while still maintaining frame but now realize very few women deserve it). Lack of abundance causes men to do stupid things for pussy. Invest too much time and effort. Accept shit from women. Treat her too nicely, you invest in the relationship more than she does. Then you don't get the buns, and everything comes full circle back to point 1 reinforcing the low self esteem which then deepens the cycle. This is compounded by social media and TV showing tall attractive in shape dudes to men who are weak minded due to points 1 2 3 and further still reinforces these beliefs.


These are your AFC issues in 2015.

I'm still trying to get over the being short hump. It's a tough hill because it's so important and unchangeable. Most guys are just too lazy to fix themselves and are little bitches. I don't have time for the gym, I don't like shopping, who cares about style.

It takes a lot of dedication and perseverance to overcome these changes and most men who are in these situations are too weak minded and excuse ridden to change.

I was and kid of still am one of them.

/.02.

I truly believe it just a lack of testosterone. Game is mimicking actions of high test men mixed with reading and recognizing small patterns in women. Das it.

#threadwon

[Saladin]

(06-07-2015 08:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:23 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

Tuthmosis, it's pretty clear to me that thinking about the decline of the sexual marketplace and manosphere type doom and gloom topics only hurts my game.

I think I'm in the Gio camp of just thinking about my own results and not focusing on what other guys are doing. I'd rather focus on myself. Honestly, I'm happy I'm improving each year, and getting laid more and more. Analyzing whether the pussy market is getting worse only makes the game harder for myself. Game requires positive thinking and a good mood, and going out when you think things are stacked against you makes things difficult.

I'd rather put my attention towards my friend who has 40 notches this year in Toronto than think about how the average guy has it tough. I want to emulate the former and ignore the latter because thinking about the latter will only make it tougher for myself.

In game, the belief that brings you the best results isn't the one that is necessarily true. A degree of healthy and positive delusion is a must.

And to be fair, we're all fairly lucky to be living today. Sure we might have missed a golden period, but this sure as hell beats most of history.

I don't understand how guys can claim to be alpha and then get weak in the knees when confronted with reality. Guys who only want to surround themselves with "happy thoughts, happy thoughts, happy thoughts" seems to be one of the effeminate attitudes I can imagine.

If you're depressed at reality, then your game isn't as good as you think it is. Good players can take any emotional punch and not feel a thing. I watched nightlife degrade tremendously in my city over the past 5 years but I enjoyed it all, and I didn't give a fuck either. I still prefer to talk about reality instead of nonsense happy talk bullshit, because only by keeping a clear head can a man maximize his results.

Also, not wanting to think about the average guy just strikes me as insanely selfish. I'd rather help my fellow man with knowledge instead of yelling, "Every man for himself!"

You only need to look at the post by Jetlagged. We're giving newbies way too many excuses to latch on to.

I don't think my game is particularly good and I've never claimed so. However, most guys who kill it in tough environments like Toronto absolutely avoid complaining or ruminating on the degradation of nightlife or how women are becoming worse.

Its good to be aware of reality so you can make long term plans to move somewhere else, and so that you can take measures to protect yourself. I don't deny that. But once we're aware of it and know what we need to do, there's no point spending mental energy daily on how things are getting worse, etc.

The constant focus on how things are getting worse and how things are bad for the average man is just mental baggage. I personally do a lot better when I focus on my own self improvement and living my life, rather than reading threads like these, which is why I've lately tried to avoid them. I'm a general good mood when I expose myself to positive influences that help my life, as opposed to reading another thread about how Western women only want to fuck the top 1 percent of good looking tall dudes.

To be honest, I feel quite lucky to be living at this current age. We have access to the whole world's information at our fingertips and can live quite a satisfying life if we choose to.

[Nascimento]

One thing we have to realize is that we are often just looking at it from a narrowed perspective.

I had an older couple (relatives) tell me the following just the other day... In italics:

These girls nowadays are really without *quality* options. Go to the movie theatres on a Friday night and you will see a bunch of single girls out by themselves without guys to accompany them. Often times you see a girl with her boyfriend and another girl that is also cute as the third wheel. What happened to the days of traditionally taking girls out to the movie theatre for a date?

Sure this isn't a perfect statement. But it goes to show a lot of guys are eliminating themselves from the game. It's too easy to just skip out on it. Think about what most 18-25 year old guys do on friday and saturday nights: beer with the bros and/or video games. Porn before bed. (I see nothing wrong for the most part with these things, AS LONG as it's not predominant behaviour).

Although there are times you see a couple where the guy is clearly out of her league (the case of an ugly or overweight girl with an otherwise normal guy), there are many times you see a girl that has put in a lot of effort into looking her best, with a guy that is dressed poorly with minimal effort on his appearance.

Guys with game? Or girls just settling for the moment while looking for an upgrade? Many different ways to look at this one.

Point is, I see it time and time again. Go to the mall on any weeknight in the evening and you will see opportunities to meet cute girls by themselves. Go to a bar/club district on a friday or saturday night and you will see TONS of cute, young girls.

They might have raised standards depending on the context, and due to the inflation because of online attention as well.

But that is why you have to capitalize...

If you're at the night club, you better be dressed well, have a good physique, and have strong night game if you want to succeed.

At the bar, all you need is to be willing to approach in a lower energy environment, as opposed to the night club, and be social and you can do well also.

In any other scenario, during the day, all you have to do is approach and talk. No one else is really doing this. I don't have to go over why day game is so effective. You will find plenty of girls that are receptive to you. Sure, not all of them will return your texts or meet you out for a date, but many of them will if you keep at it.

It's a struggle at times for sure, but your success is a function of how much effort you're willing to put in. And the rewards are often worth it, because there are many, many cute and feminine girls around. If you disagree with this statement, you're probably focusing too much on the fatties and tattooed feminists. Start ignoring them!

** Keep in mind I live in supposedly the worst place for girls in North America.