[Moma]

Distant Light is on a positive tip and exhibits successful emotional management. As I have discovered and mentioned, this comes about much easier from having abundance. Abundance mentality. Here is my question:

Are there any extroverts on this board who ever struggled with lizards? True extroverts as in:

1) You are comfortable talking to strangers right off of the bat, in a supermarket, in the line of a bank and so forth.

2) Perhaps you come from a large family with a significant number of jovial, flirtatious males who display how to talk to lizards and not take their rebukes seriously at all.

A true extrovert shouldn't have problems escalating for sex since some of the major issues with failure to escalate is that fear of public shaming (akin to the fear of public speaking). That's why a guy in a club/bar/park won't ask a lizard if she wants to go to his place and fcuk just in case she shames him out in the open and people see that he is a 'creep'.

I've hung out with a few extroverts here and watched them in action. A guy I currently hang out with is short (5'6) and stone black (dark skinned). He always has a smile on his face and his tone is always upbeat. When he talks to lizards, he may make certain sexual suggestions and then laugh if she takes it a certain way, sticking his tongue out to the side. He dresses very well. He doesn't have an issue with lizards. It's all in motion. A lot of these guys as I have mentioned before, do NOT wait until club time to start gaming. They spit in the street, in the store (we were in Walgreens and he hit on the cashier while we were procuring water and wine). Due to that constant activity, they stay sharp and ensure that abundance is there as leads will mature sometimes when you are chilling.
Sometimes a lizard will need to fcuk and she will call the last half decent guy she can remember which could be the guy who had the cojones to talk to her while she was working her lame shift in HSBC, Chase, Walmart, etc.

I have also been chilling with another guy. He's fresh Naija and also short. I mention these physical attributes to highlight that these are not perceived deterrents by these guys. Height doesn't matter where they are from, lizards want a man with means, not some ogologo that ain't up to much. We went out to an open event and I saw him notice a Latina and hang back, almost like a lion that sees a lagging antelope. He spat game accordingly at the Latina when her sister faded out to get a drink unawares.

Naija is a very populated country and one built off of social connections. Being in that machine, I find it hard to imagine one being shook to just spit at lizards. There you are FORCED to interact with tons and tons of people so it's test by fire.

Even in Toronto, I know some guy who grew up in Lagos (which has to be one of the top most populated and crowded cities on planet Earth). His game is very efficient. He was able to recognise targets and opening quickly without letting the leads stagnate. He also knew not to feed attention whores and eject from wack groups. He was not an old guy either, he was about 22 at the time I knew him. He just finished his degree at ULAG (University of Lagos) and then immigrated to Toronto. I bring up his age to relay the fact that certain countries bring cats up to speed very quickly.

I actually bucked up on him in Devil's Martini on his own. He was not the type to let the lack of competent wings deter him from going out and putting in work.

Again, I illustrate the power of extroverts who have never read a game manual in their life and adjusted naturally to the BS lizards in the West.

For the record, I'm not an extrovert but I do have my streak moments.

[StrikeBack]

There are a lot of STEM introverts in my social circle. I'd be surprised if any of them exceeds the average notch count. They aren't asking for much either, and they'd be happy with mediocre girls, as some of them who have girlfriends or wives obviously are.

Most of them would rather do their research and work to be productive to society than to approach 200 lizards for 15 phone numbers, 14 flakes and 1 almost-bang. Being their boss, I'd rather that too!

Same with guys working blue collar professions that keep civilization ticking along so we can all enjoy its comforts.

The problem is that mediocre girls do not want them, they want much more.

Look, this RVF lifestyle we have is good for us, but applying that to all men is a social disaster. Nothing important gets done when an average guy has to do a shit ton of work to get an average girl.

[BlueOcean]

The problem is that too many men invest a lot into relationships only to get chicks who are bitchy, entitled, promiscuous, unwilling to cook and clean, and often
fat to mediocre looking. The AFC gets laid with plenty of women, but he gets laid with women with undesirable personalities and subpar looks. He puts a lot in and gets
low quality women in return.

It's a quality vs quantity issue. It's possible for the AFC to get a high quantity of notch counts because women cock hop a lot these days, but getting quality chicks
is a challenge.

The purpose of game is that you can get a girl who's hot, feminine, loyal, and family oriented.

[Saladin]

Distant Light pretty much killed it with his post.

[Saladin]

(06-06-2015 12:38 AM)Jetlagged Wrote:  

Using this thread as motivation.

As an actual dude with very low notches, I can tell you the biggest things holding me back:

1. Fear of rejection. Biggest issue. It causes self loathing and is a self esteem destroyer. As guys who don't fit the tall dark muscular and handsome mold (if they did they wouldn't be in this situation) we already largely aware of our defecienies and rejection cements these defecienies as accepted truth. Somehow success in other areas of life doesn't translate to women. I completely changed my appearance on 3 years by hitting the gym hard, gained 30 lbs, encountered a lot of setbacks and overcame them. Did not help with my confidence. My best friend pokes fun at me saying I'm the only person who had a big transformation in the gym and didn't gain a drop of confidence.

Forget about approaching with this mentality. Brain will male hamster itself a bunch if excuses as to why not to do it. AFC is not doing approaches, or does them once in a blue and is unprepared and fails and will make excuses to not do it again for an extended period. Lots of lost opportunity here via missing out on cues for random encounters by not capitalizing on eye contact and other IOIs.

2. Lack of knowledge of sexual attraction:
Don't know how to act around girls. Lack of confidence due to self esteem as posted above leads to unnatural interactions with women because you're uncomfortable. This makes it awkward and unenjoyable. Once past initial awkwardness, I just talked to girls. I am a pretty good conversationalist and had great conversations due to my work and travel, but looking back now, I was only building comfort but not attraction which pushed me right into the friendzone. For an socially awkward or possibly not so high test (or confidence) male, it wasn't built into me how to sexually escalate with women. I used to dread make out, despite being a great kisser. I wasn't taking the lead, in fact, I was afraid. Afraid to screw it up, because it took so long to get this one and we know the next one is far off. This also leads to oneitis. The lack of attraction building tarts us down the path to non sexual friendship and a bad frame.

3. All the above leads to lack of abundance. Lack of abundance causes oneitis on undeserving women (I still believe in love and a good relationship with a good women is possible while still maintaining frame but now realize very few women deserve it). Lack of abundance causes men to do stupid things for pussy. Invest too much time and effort. Accept shit from women. Treat her too nicely, you invest in the relationship more than she does. Then you don't get the buns, and everything comes full circle back to point 1 reinforcing the low self esteem which then deepens the cycle. This is compounded by social media and TV showing tall attractive in shape dudes to men who are weak minded due to points 1 2 3 and further still reinforces these beliefs.


These are your AFC issues in 2015.

I'm still trying to get over the being short hump. It's a tough hill because it's so important and unchangeable. Most guys are just too lazy to fix themselves and are little bitches. I don't have time for the gym, I don't like shopping, who cares about style.

It takes a lot of dedication and perseverance to overcome these changes and most men who are in these situations are too weak minded and excuse ridden to change.

I was and kid of still am one of them.

/.02.

I truly believe it just a lack of testosterone. Game is mimicking actions of high test men mixed with reading and recognizing small patterns in women. Das it.

Stop thinking so much and start approaching.

All this mental masturbation is not getting you anywhere.

I promise you that after a 1,000 approaches you'll be a different man.

[Pride male]

Being an AFC inthe West still beats being an AFC in Somalia, Iraq, Zimbabwe and pretty much elsewhere in the world. Count your blessings.

[Distant Light]

NOTE, I still gotta go through thread as I didn't check any replies... (wasn't gonna post this yet but might as well before it gets lost on my computer)

(06-06-2015 01:08 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

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Honestly as much as people feel "sad" for these type of men, I feel more "sadness" towards women...

Yes... Women really have it rough. Being pursued by an endless procession of adoring members of the opposite sex.
How do they manage.

Hungout almost exclusively with hot women for a good 3 years, seen some shit. Thing is, women are expert calibrators and highly adaptable. The statement you made is like saying...

"Prisoners should be happy with there bread and water because they get guaranteed food"

Majority of chicks aren't "selecting amongst favorable options" she's generally choosing "best option given current situation and circumstances". An it's not likely she'll take full charge and actively cold approach all the TRUE potential candidates.

Many community guys who get laid inconsistently THINK they're "game" is getting better when in reality they might've just caught a chick under the right conditions and circumstances where he simple was the "best" option amongst all the crap.

See atleast WE can discuss about it, chicks are like lighthouses waiting to stumble across the right boat to bring excitement to her life.

To paint a mini picture, just off my newsfeed...
- Hot 6ft polish chick has started to accept that she'll forever be single (Keep in mind, this same girl in the past has invited me to come to the beach near her house with her when we 1st met...Sadly she fell through the cracks because even that same night I had met 2 other girls)

- Model chick...turned bottle girl...turned "sponsored" girl...turned "humble" girl complains about how she feels forced to simply go back to getting yet another sugar daddy because she is BACK TO REALITY realizing she can't take care of herself going down the path she's on. At the sametime, it has bias her options of men. (To this day, I will never forget her "social mask" 1st time it became apparent that she met a "sugar daddy"...Chick was quiet with him like if she was a "arm piece". Contrast to how she used to be when hanging with me.)

Both chicks are above average, sadly they'll just "dig in" for the long haul

(06-06-2015 01:08 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

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Honestly, it's annoying when I hear men COMPLAINING about women with their assumptions, expectations, etc.

Like seriously, why do men feel such entitlement that they DESERVE someone. Dude take a step back you just might be a drag for all sorts of reasons. Like I really think people fail to ask themselves...

Whether men "deserve" or don't deserve to have a woman is irrelevant to the social havoc that is wreaked when they don't have access to them. How long are you banking that gadgets and bullshit are going to keep the masses of guys like this distracted?

I don't think anybody in this thread is saying this guy innately deserves a woman, or that he isn't a sad chump. But the point is that he is by all accounts a remarkably average guy; he feels entitled to a relationship because he is following to a T the protocols all of society has drilled into his head as the means obtain one. Be nice, be yourself, blah blah.

So his worst fault is naivety, and his audacity to expect to have his biological need for interaction with the opposite sex fulfilled. What an asshole, am I right?

How many guys like this do you think will find find the manosphere on their own?
And how many of those guys will realistically shrug off an entire upbringing of feminist brainwashing and turn things around?

Were on same page, just misinterpreted how I was coming across

Bold, is why I always tell people to go investigate and explore for yourself. If you don't have sufficient first hand experience then it isn't your truth and your just stuck in a belief-trap.

I don't follow the manosphere too closely because if I recall other dude OP mentioned who went on a rampage I may have attempted to give him advice. In real life, I'm skeptical of "straight men" due to a number of factors so you can only imagine how I feel with these type of men.

That said, I do feel for this kid (no I'm not gonna save him, I don't want to be liable nor risk anything when regardless he'll need to grow up himself by himself anyway)

I intend to look at his other videos in middle of week BUT one thing I noticed he titled a video...

"Good Guys Are A Turn Off To Women"

This is ironic because he considers himself a "good guy who has his head on his shoulders". Did he not mention he almost committed suicide last september? How is he going to be able to handle women if he can't even handle himself?

On top of that I hate when guys say they're a good/nice guy when MOST are lying to themselves trying to use it as a way to HOPEFULLY get a lay. Why I say this?

I'm a legit nice/good/loving guy, I will express immense love towards anyone (until they show me otherwise) and if you're a friend of a friend were practically besties. However, due to being very indifferent and fact that I shamelessly assert boundaries and remain authentic in who I am...

People can misinterpret me as "cold" and tough

These dudes are good/nice EXPECTING some reciprocation (a girl liking them) and get frustrated when they aren't recognized.

Legit good/nice/loving people express themselves in such a manner because that's just how they are, no reciprocation or anything beyond that "moment" is required.

(06-06-2015 02:29 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

There are a lot of STEM introverts in my social circle. I'd be surprised if any of them exceeds the average notch count. They aren't asking for much either, and they'd be happy with mediocre girls, as some of them who have girlfriends or wives obviously are.

Most of them would rather do their research and work to be productive to society than to approach 200 lizards for 15 phone numbers, 14 flakes and 1 almost-bang. Being their boss, I'd rather that too!

Same with guys working blue collar professions that keep civilization ticking along so we can all enjoy its comforts.

The problem is that mediocre girls do not want them, they want much more.

Look, this RVF lifestyle we have is good for us, but applying that to all men is a social disaster. Nothing important gets done when an average guy has to do a shit ton of work to get an average girl.

I agree with everything (besides bolded),which is why statistics averages is so low. If we look objectively the community and non-community men in nightlife who are good with women...

They are a sub-set of the overall whole. Flipside we got the "cringe" type of guys, religious men, etc. For instance based on "old friends" from high school...
- 1 friend in air force is married to a woman who CHEATED ON HIM, he knew this but if I remember correctly she did also take his virginity.

- Most of my closest friends all have kids and still with their "baby mother" (They weren't slaying chicks in college)

- Best friend back then, major gamehead got kicked out of college and started doing school online. He mentioned only banging 1 chick, a girl we went to high school with. He now has nowhere else to meet girls since college is done online. (He doesn't cold approach)

Reason Medicore Girls Don't Want Them
They have a mixture of lacking experience, horrible mindset and overall have zero edge...

These same guys are in a "rut" following the same routine/process never truly displaying any form of drive or proactively improving themselves. How many guys on here are "cops" or "construction workers"?

Most guys on here on one level or another want to make massive shifts in their life and live a more unconventional life. We proactively think about personal growth.

My father is a blue collar guy and he always mentions the "lame" younger guys who simply SUCK with women. (Might get girls but get all emotional and still dealing with stress coming from women) That's like the better amongst the worst scenario.

Ultimately this is why I stopped talking to chicks who had boyfriends whether she liked it or not because in my mind...
- Average man meets 0-4 potential "girl candidates" a year
- I meet 4 new potential chicks in a single outing

Sadly, my brother is a perfect example of this...Other than his ex-gf, maybe old social circles and online dating...He is "dry"...

What was missing? Actually Going Out...
My brother is far from OP archetypes (we actually watch "cringe compilations" together)

When I took him out on his 21st b-day he instantly hit it off with 1 of my female friends sisters. It was almost as if he was never engaged. Only reason my brother is in a "dry spell" is simply he isn't even out there socializing. (Like majority of men, especially when they leave college)

(06-06-2015 03:11 AM)BlueOcean Wrote:  

The problem is that too many men invest a lot into relationships only to get chicks who are bitchy, entitled, promiscuous, unwilling to cook and clean, and often
fat to mediocre looking. The AFC gets laid with plenty of women, but he gets laid with women with undesirable personalities and subpar looks. He puts a lot in and gets
low quality women in return.

It's a quality vs quantity issue. It's possible for the AFC to get a high quantity of notch counts because women cock hop a lot these days, but getting quality chicks
is a challenge.

The purpose of game is that you can get a girl who's hot, feminine, loyal, and family oriented.

Disagree with bold, there are tons of quality chicks out there which is why I stopped believing in monogamy because it is near IMPOSSIBLE not to meet tons of amazing chicks out there.

The issue is the MAN is going about the woman in the wrong way which is too much to get into sadly. All I will say is, chicks will show the "social mask" that best suits the man infront of them.

Right now, I'm currently seeing a chick who I consider AMAZING...

Funny enough 1st time we hungout I did not like her at all, she was too logical. Fast forward, it's now an INSIDE JOKE anytime it comes up and she overall is like a different person.
- Very nurturing/loving
- Always wanting to make me happy
- Very feminine

(06-06-2015 04:00 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Being an AFC inthe West still beats being an AFC in Somalia, Iraq, Zimbabwe and pretty much elsewhere in the world. Count your blessings.

Funny enough I always state to people "Be grateful you weren't born in iraq" just imagine me at age 26, I'd never have any luxury to indulge in music, partying and women nor the opportunities presented...

Growing up I was a very negative kid, now I think I was just an ungrateful cunt who lacked any form of perspective. It's probably one of the biggest doses of "laugh at yourself" that I have.

[Moma]

(06-06-2015 04:00 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Being an AFC inthe West still beats being an AFC in Somalia, Iraq, Zimbabwe and pretty much elsewhere in the world. Count your blessings.

Do those even exist in those countries? All the countries you are listed are patriarchal, the man can always bulldoze the pussy in those places at the very worst, am I lying?

[Cattle Rustler]

No, because women are trying to level up too.

Who wants to remain in Iraq when they can fuck their way to that guy who lives in Sweden and visits sometime? .

[Moma]

(06-06-2015 12:58 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

No, because women are trying to level up too.

Who wants to remain in Iraq when they can fuck their way to that guy who lives in Sweden and visits sometime? .

Yea but when the guy from Sweden is not there, who does she fcuk? I say this because I've been in the trenches in tons of 3rd world countries and the guys are more focused on getting money. Pu$$y flows like tap water there. Even the worst AFC there can seduce a lizard with a few ears of corn.
He may not get the best lizard but he will get a lizard.

[rudebwoy]

Distant Light - kudos amigo, that post I had to read over a few times. Some real deep shit spewed there.

Cheap plug - add us on Twitter. MomaRudebwoy@Lizardhunters13

[rudebwoy]

(06-06-2015 12:58 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

No, because women are trying to level up too.

Who wants to remain in Iraq when they can fuck their way to that guy who lives in Sweden and visits sometime? .

Have you been to Iraq? Probably not, easy to talk about countries you have never been too. I went on a date with a Iraqi girl in my city, she was nice looking and I am sure there are many like her in Iraq.

I don't understand the Sweden reference.

I know men in these so called under privileged countries, they are a lot happier than men in the west.

People love to talk about the men not getting action in Japan, I know many guys who are "dry" in Toronto. Yet, they feel they deserve or are entitled to a nice girl.

I also feel bad for women, their window for success is a lot smaller than men. Despite the propaganda, it is still a man world. If I don't like my city, it is easier for me to get up and move to a foreign country.

[Mister X]

(06-05-2015 01:10 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

Quantity begets quality.

I'd rather bang a wolfer than let my mojo stagnate.

Yeah I wouldn't show her off to my friends but the effects on your psyche of banging even a mediocre chick are impressive.

It fuels your mojo, fans away any lingering smell of desperation, and basically keeps the engine running in fine fiddle.

I've banged some ugly ass bitches in my time, only to turn around and hook up with stunners in the same week.

Quantity and quality is obviously the ideal but I think the best path towards better quality is increased quantity.

I've never seen it that way. The way I look at it is - this is what I want, this is the kind of girl I'm interested in, and I'm not settling.

Some might say "oh, well maybe you have a low sex drive, because guys with high sex drives will bang anything." Again, I'd say that doesn't fit for me. I'm constantly being told how much of a freak I am...when it comes to girls I actually like. So I'd call it - selective sex drive. If I'm with a girl I'm actually attracted to, we're gonna fuck 5-6 times a day, and that's the way it is. But I don't get that "well I have to fuck SOMEONE" urge where I'm trolling online and picking up unattractive girls with smelly pussies, just to say "well at least I got some pussy." Smelly, unattractive pussy doesn't work for me. It doesn't fill my void. The only thing that fills my void is fucking girls that I actually want to fuck. If I hit a dry spell for a few months, so be it. But my attraction is very binary. I either want to fuck the life out of you or I don't even want you sending me texts. There is no 1-10 for me. You're a 10 or you're a 0. I may be in the minority in that belief. There are girls that I can admit are cute, or relatively attractive to me - but the drive to game them is not there. Why go to all kinds of lengths displaying value, sweet talking, escalating, when the end result is mediocre at best? I work smart, not hard. It's been like that since I was a wide eyed, 14 year old beta bitch boy and hasn't changed since. I know what I like and have no interest in anything less than.

(06-06-2015 01:22 AM)Moma Wrote:  

10 lifetime notches? You might as well enter 10 relationships! No, a lot about the game is to get some notches in. As long as the lizard passes the boner test, you should go for the bang. It's investment of time in other things such as listening to her BS etc that should be limited if she is not up to par but cumming in a lizard beats wanking off to the same type of reptile on internet porn!

But what I've realized on here is there are a LOT of one hitter quitter notches. They fuck once and the lay was lame, or they realized they weren't all that attracted to the girl, or whatever. So they get the +1 and bounce.

If I'm banging girls I find to be top quality - I'm not letting those bangs get away so easily. We're talking months, years even, of having hot sex with a girl you find extremely attractive.

So if my romantic life was - smoking hot girlfriend of 3 years, dry spell, smoking hot fuck buddy, dry spell, smoking hot fuck buddy, dry spell, smoking hot girlfriend of 1 year, smoking hot fuck buddy, smoking hot fuck buddy, dry spell, smoking hot girlfriend of 4 years, smoking hot fuck buddy, dry spell, smoking hot wife who has all the personality intangibles - that would be perfectly fine for me.

The only thing I'm missing from that life are "unattractive bar pick up, unattractive tinder date, unattractive fuck buddy"

I don't need that filler.

[Cattle Rustler]

(06-06-2015 01:27 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 12:58 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

No, because women are trying to level up too.

Who wants to remain in Iraq when they can fuck their way to that guy who lives in Sweden and visits sometime? .

Have you been to Iraq? Probably not, easy to talk about countries you have never been too. I went on a date with a Iraqi girl in my city, she was nice looking and I am sure there are many like her in Iraq.

I don't understand the Sweden reference.

If knowing someone from a country constitutes knowing the place then I know Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, and North Korea too. Have you been to Iraq?

The Sweden reference:

Iraqi-born persons in Sweden by year:[3]
2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
49,37255,69662,75167,64570,11772,55382,82797,513

2008 2009
109,446117,919

[rudebwoy]

Sorry I still don't get it, why would she want to fcuk a Swedish guy!

I have met more than one Iraqi.

[jariel]

This is a great discussion, personally, I felt like Distant Light, came on the stage, grabbed the mic, spat hot fire, dropped the mic, and turned the lights off on the way off the stage.

For me, this is the thing.

I would say we live in the most competitive environment on the planet, we compete for everything here, whatever it is that you desire, someone else wants it too, and someone else like you believes that they can and should have it.

The competition for women is fierce, and to do well at this competition, you have to have game.

The AFC is mad because he doesn't have game, and he knows he needs game, but he doesn't want to work for it.

The AFC is spending all of his time bitching instead of working.

Personally, I don't believe the American woman is worth the effort. Mostly because I don't believe she's at the level that she expects us to be at.

If you don't want to learn game or live in an environment where game is imperative, then change your environment.

You don't need game in Mexico.

You don't need game in the Philippines.

There are plenty of places on the planet where the necessity of game, as we know it, is nil.

I don't care if these guys MGTOW, I don't care if they don't want to work on themselves, that lessens the pool of competition, hell, most of these guys are just interference anyway.

You go to a club, 99% of the motherfuckers in there are just getting in the way, they're stepping to girls who they can't get, forcing bitches to put up the bitch shields even more, and by the time you get to her, she's mentally checked out, and she's put you in the same wack box as them.

Look, I wouldn't have this shit any other way. I like the competition because it makes me better. However, I'm not concerned with being a champion here because for me this is preparation, this is practice; being here and dealing with these people allows you to get your mind right; by the time you're honestly ready to have a woman in your life the way you want her in your life -- most of us are not truly ready -- you've had the dope bitch, you've had the freaky bitch, you've had the old bitch who's trying to relive her younger years, you've had all the women who you don't really want, so when you come across one that you do want, you already know what time it is, and it's because you've taken so many contested fade-away threes, that you'll recognize the layup, and you'll have no fear of taking that shot, and you'll make that shot.

Game.

[Tuthmosis]

(06-06-2015 06:01 PM)jariel Wrote:  

The competition for women is fierce, and to do well at participate in this competition, you have to have game.

Fixed. Just to get entry-level bitches (dumpy 6s with no redeeming qualities apart from their pussies, or, a depressed wall-approacher), you need game. If bitches were apartments, you would need game just to get this:

   

You're not homeless, and that's it.

To do medium (some cuties, especially younger ones, or "cool" chick with looks), you need two or three of the core traits with full bars (game, lifestyle, fame, looks, etc.). The apartment-equivalent of this Ikea-cabinetry and budget-appliances joint (also note the cable modem just sitting on the floor):

   

To do "well" (SEC sorority hotty, Instagram ass possessor, or model-esque artsy bitch), you need everything on blast. A bitch like this is basically the equivalent of baller pad, in a baller city nowadays:

   

On top of having all your categories on a million, you'll also need a yacht on wheels so you can drive up to the club with Kanye and Tove Love (the latest slut hero) in tow, and talking to you while you pretend to not give a fuck. Basically an upgraded version of this, because if you pull up with this weak 1999-level shit, you're gonna get blown out by some 6.5 whose Tinder is blowing up with male models as you speak:

Joking aside, I'm astounded at the amount and quality of game that just a decent bitch in the U.S. takes these days. It's straight-up Game Inflation™. An ounce of game just don't buy what it used to. Not to big-ball, but that's coming from a guy whose game is top shelf. I'm making up golden shit on the spot, and have people regularly coming up to me (unprompted) and asking me if I do comedy--and then telling me "you should!" when I say I don't (again, not big-balling, just making a point). And, I don't just sit there and tap dance for bitches like a fucking clown. Coming behind the jokes is a killer instinct to assassinate that pussy as soon as possible and airtight logistics. I think 15 steps ahead, and anticipate every problem. I can stop multiple cockblockers before they ruin a fragile approach. I keep my calm when a girl starts to hesitate on the bounce move. I keep everything in stock at my house, which is nicer than most of my peers'. And, I'm not a bad-looking dude (no homo narcissism). Now imagine how guy fares out there when he can't understand why a girl gives him her phone number when she's not interested--or makes a 20-minute public video as his second solution (where suicide was his first).

(Side Note: It won't be lost on you all that this isn't the first guy posted in the forum in the past few months who attempted suicide directly because of his failure with women. The last guy was successful.)



It's not using just myself as a data point; it's possible my game isn't as good as I think or that I'm not really that funny or that I'm one ugly-ass gargoyle or that I'm approaching the male wall (just kidding, there's no such thing). But I hear it all the time now, from guys in different places and of different "player classes." Speaking for myself, getting a bang with a solid bitch feels like this a bit more than it used to.

You have to good. Very good. And you still have to battle.

A while back, Roosh sent out a tweet or made a comment here that said that, in the near future, American men will need to be straight-up famous to get some quality pussy. Those words may prove prophetic.

[BrazilianCocaine]

Fuck man why are the highest wages in America....

As soon as wages increase more worldwide and I have multiple potential ex-pat destinations I am out like a light.

[Samseau]

Tuth: the fact is, if women are just slutting it up, chasing careers, and never having kids then the supply of young pussy and new sluts will keep decreasing until the trends reverse. Supply and demand.

Young girls who come out will come from increasingly conservative families that will ask for marriage, and game will become less and less effective because the competition for the remaining sluts will increase heavily.

The question, however, is if these young women will even be marriage material, or if they will come from conservative families yet be addled with narcissism, attention whoring iPhone syndrome, materialistic college greed, and "i'll divorce rape you the second you stop pleasing me" attitudes.

[Druber]

I've often wondered that. This is the age of the slut (well, ever since the swinging Sixties), but there could be a sea change in general attitudes that favours a life of stability (fancy playing the conservative game?).

Of course, with even this kinda of life, a ton of crap goes on behind closed doors (remember the 'prudent' Victorians?). Nevertheless, a certain game would be required.

More sugar, m'lady?

[philosophical_recovery]

(06-06-2015 06:01 PM)jariel Wrote:  

This is a great discussion, personally, I felt like Distant Light, came on the stage, grabbed the mic, spat hot fire, dropped the mic, and turned the lights off on the way off the stage.

For me, this is the thing.

I would say we live in the most competitive environment on the planet, we compete for everything here, whatever it is that you desire, someone else wants it too, and someone else like you believes that they can and should have it.

The competition for women is fierce, and to do well at this competition, you have to have game.

The AFC is mad because he doesn't have game, and he knows he needs game, but he doesn't want to work for it.

The AFC is spending all of his time bitching instead of working.

Personally, I don't believe the American woman is worth the effort. Mostly because I don't believe she's at the level that she expects us to be at.

If you don't want to learn game or live in an environment where game is imperative, then change your environment.

You don't need game in Mexico.

You don't need game in the Philippines.

There are plenty of places on the planet where the necessity of game, as we know it, is nil.

I don't care if these guys MGTOW, I don't care if they don't want to work on themselves, that lessens the pool of competition, hell, most of these guys are just interference anyway.

You go to a club, 99% of the motherfuckers in there are just getting in the way, they're stepping to girls who they can't get, forcing bitches to put up the bitch shields even more, and by the time you get to her, she's mentally checked out, and she's put you in the same wack box as them.

Look, I wouldn't have this shit any other way. I like the competition because it makes me better. However, I'm not concerned with being a champion here because for me this is preparation, this is practice; being here and dealing with these people allows you to get your mind right; by the time you're honestly ready to have a woman in your life the way you want her in your life -- most of us are not truly ready -- you've had the dope bitch, you've had the freaky bitch, you've had the old bitch who's trying to relive her younger years, you've had all the women who you don't really want, so when you come across one that you do want, you already know what time it is, and it's because you've taken so many contested fade-away threes, that you'll recognize the layup, and you'll have no fear of taking that shot, and you'll make that shot.

Game.

I have a friend that I introduced to game, and he is still, as you described, a bitcher about women. A virgin in his mid-30s, still, after knowing about game for 2 years. I've gotten him to hit the gym harder, but his jokes and personal interactions lack social awareness and come across as try-hard. I'll be locking eyes with a girl and having a moment, and he won't even notice and start acting all giddy trying to snatch her up, while she's still eyefucking me. He chases them. They walk from him to me. He still doesn't notice.

Mutual friends (i.e. chicks I've banged who know him) complain about how he won't grow up and won't stop talking about his "ex" from years ago, whom he calls his "ex" because she's a 7.5 in a sea of 5s and 6s, even though I don't even think his dating went beyond him buying her dinner and him stopping short of heavy petting. I question if they even kissed. He tells me how he has "given up" on getting dates, even though he'll facebook message and friend girls, inviting them to do things, and these girls all report that they get that feeling that he likes them.

I feel like I've created a monster. A game cognisant AFC. He could boil over at any moment. I'm not sure what to do. He also likes to give advice to younger men, as he has read a lot of the blog talk, but I don't think he has ever ever ever touched a pussy. I have told him that it's not a good idea, that there's a time and a place, but he comes across as a "red pill" zealot more than anything else. Constantly dropping game terms in public that I would never use in the open. I've been trying to approach it delicately, but I'm not sure how to progress. There are so many flaws in his thinking and his lack of experience that I don't know how to touch it without an explosion. I came down on him hard one day, telling him that he needs to stop taking shit so seriously, but then I started getting reportage from a girl I banged who hangs out with him sometimes. She got really annoyed with him, and I wasn't even asking her to spy on him.

He's also expressed that he "deserves" a 8-10, even though he can't even game a 4-5 properly. He pointed back to girls he "could've/should've" married long ago, who he calls 10s, which are more like 7s with pleasant behaviors. I can only handle so many delusions at once. He won't put in any effort unless they are hot, so he only makes his pathetic attempts on girls that see right through him.

For this reason, I strongly recommend caution when introducing red pill knowledge to AFCs. You never know how it will go. I think that I have already told this guy too much, but so it is. I need to steer him away from negativity, but that shit ain't easy.

[Samseau]

See, a man who goes into his twenties as a virgin will already suffer tremendous mental damage. Telling them the truth, rather that indicate he needs to change, can indicate to them that the world needs to change instead. That's how you get Elliot Rodgers type people.

The solution is to keep young men from becoming like this in the first place, teaching them game when young so they can get laid with an average slut and accept himself as a man. Instead these guys suffer from a combination of an inferiority-complex plus extreme arrogance. It's a horrible combo and leads to despair, depression, heavy anger, and many other negative emotions. The end result comes out in either a suicide or homicide.

Not sure what can be done about the situation, Philosophical_Recovery. You need to humble him while teaching him how to get laid. Tell him, "as long as she gets your dick hard, then she's good enough to bang. Just get some bangs in and then you'll understand how to act around hotter women. Baby steps man, there's no shame in taking baby steps. Nobody's gonna know or make fun of you if you bang an average girl."

[Vaun]

Philosophical_Recovery - been there, blown out several times in the past by a friend in a different stage, almost identical personality. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself if this person is really good to have around in these situations. Maybe do another hobby together? I dont really care how much someone is a "friend" if they keep screwing up important parts of my life, especially social standing and reputation.

[Giovonny]

(06-07-2015 12:45 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

it's possible my game isn't as good as I think

Yes, its very possible.

Our perception of ourselves is often inaccurate.

A few years ago, I thought my game was good. But, I wasn't getting the results I wanted.

I blamed the sexual marketplace, when, in reality, the problem was me. I just didn't have the experience necessary to get high quality girls.

After a while, I stopped blaming everyone else and focused on improving myself.

Maybe you should get some honest feedback..

Have you ever gone out and gamed with any members of this forum?

If you are ever in San Francisco, I will host you and take you out on college girl gaming mission!

[Il Bersagliere]

This thread is very depressing, but it give me the drive to work very hard.