[Saladin]

Agreed Nascimento. It's summer and I keep running into cute foreign girls in Toronto. Had a solid approach today with a cute European girl but I was super tired from lack of sleep, had drank a lot of coffee, and my game was off. Will see if anything will come from that but I have a feeling she'll flake. On a better day that could have been an insta-date. Day game really doesn't require much investment if you become used to it, you can essentially approach wherever and whenever while going about your day.

The other thing to keep in mind is if that you do decently in the West you'll do better elsewhere. Its not wasted effort. Yes, meeting women is somewhat different in different cultures, but the social calibration and confidence you build is universal.

Obviously if you have the option of a flight ticket and work abroad right now, go ahead and take it, but if you can't at the moment, there's no reason to resign yourself to a sexless existence like some do. Sharpen your skills in tough markets and you'll do well generally everywhere.

Wherever you are, there you are.

I liked BlurredSevens post. The Western sexual marketplace is heavily biased towards a small minority of men. Most men have mediocre to zero sex life, while others have crazy sex lives. I'd rather focus on joining that elite group of guys that women love, rather than worry about what the average guy's sex life is like. I don't want to be average, so I have no desire to put myself into that mindset.

[Driesinator]

(06-08-2015 04:49 PM)Blackwell Wrote:  

I know it's doom and gloom and all that but I seriously think it is adapt or perish right now with this whole social media thing if your a young dude.

Play the game or get left behind man. It sucks but I guess that just the way it is, way it is gonna be...

This is where you're dead wrong.

I'm 19 and the best thing i've ever done for my mental health and sex life was to shut down most my social media accounts , completely privatized Facebook and put focus on MYSELF. I also advise any young man to do the same. Stop sticking your head in a screen like a woman. Stop worrying about other people's lives and the constant comparisons. Start paving your own path, do whatever it is you want , give no fucks and look good doing it.
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Honestly, i don't see why guys worry about this, i've never had a girl flake on me or call me weird because i don't play the thirst trap game. Never.

[rudebwoy]

Travesty444 posts resonates the most with me.
Sure we may go in our day to day life and see a few girls we find attractive, but what are they like as a human being.
For me I see obese fat girls easily outnumbering slim girls, let alone slim girls that I find attractive.
Decent looking men outnumber decent looking women by a huge margin, you will have to game real hard and hope for a bit of luck to land a 7. When I read people describe Australia is sounds exactly like Canada, Toronto at least.
I tend to go to nightclubs simply so that I can see young attractive girls. As someone has mentioned, nightclubs tends to be a mixed group which is closed off to meeting new people. Most single girls I meet in clubs, are from out of town visiting for the weekend.
Travelling to places with abundance of women, helps my inner game. Women can sense I am not going to cross the street for them, I would not say I am a game maestro but I am not a sucker.
One has to read the travel reports and know how bad it is in the West. Years back people would have never talked about visiting Ukraine, Poland, Colombia and Russia.
The notion that if you cannot do well at home means you will not do well overseas is foolish.
I am not saying it is doom and gloom in the west, I feel the tide will change at some point.
I just feel there are too many countries out there to explore and find better quality women.

[Blackwell]

(06-16-2015 09:59 PM)Driesinator Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 04:49 PM)Blackwell Wrote:  

I know it's doom and gloom and all that but I seriously think it is adapt or perish right now with this whole social media thing if your a young dude.

Play the game or get left behind man. It sucks but I guess that just the way it is, way it is gonna be...

This is where you're dead wrong.

I'm 19 and the best thing i've ever done for my mental health and sex life was to shut down most my social media accounts , completely privatized Facebook and put focus on MYSELF. I also advise any young man to do the same. Stop sticking your head in a screen like a woman. Stop worrying about other people's lives and the constant comparisons. Start paving your own path, do whatever it is you want , give no fucks and look good doing it.
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Honestly, i don't see why guys worry about this, i've never had a girl flake on me or call me weird because i don't play the thirst trap game. Never.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

It is you who is missing the point entirely.

Did I say that you should make social media a core part of your life? No.

Did I say that you should be 'worrying' about others lives and comparing yourself to them? No.

Nobody has suggested that you play the thirst trap game. I mean what even is that? The looking at girls on social media thing? Don't indulge in it. It's not that hard.

You just misintepreted what I wrote.

You can still have social media accounts and focus on yourself. They aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm curious as to how many girls in 18-23 range you bang?How regularly?

Instagram etc is a tool. It is a tool that YOU can use in order to leverage YOURSELF as a high value dude. If you are using it, you should be doing so in order to bait girls into checking you out on there and boosting their attraction. It's not a major time investment. If you think that it is than you have been doing it wrong.

Look if you don't wanna play the game and you wanna forgo what is just another tool in the arsenal than be my guest.

I remember way back BlurredSevens posted something to the jist of no young girl being impressed by how anti social media you are. They are more likely to think you are a little odd than they are to drop their panties.

Then again maybe the girls are just a little more vapid where I'm from and it matters more.

I took a 2 year break at 17-19 from social media and it was a poor decision. It cost me some social circle, made me more difficult to reach and isolated me a little more for no reason whatsoever.

I didn't find that it helped my mental health at all because I never really abused it in the first place. Initially I thought like you that I was really sick and edgy for cutting myself off from social media and that it was really helping or whatever. That's all bullshit. Just learn how to manage it effectively.

You are not cool for ragging on social media. But look, I don't even enjoy it man, its just a tool to help you bang more hot girls and increase your social status. That's it. Just because you aren't inherently drawn to it, neither am I, doesn't mean you can't use it to get what you want.

There's me casually maintaining an Instagram and Facebook page, using them to rack up Tinder matches and hook/interact with new girls. Using them to link old flames and bang some of the girls I failed to bang when I was younger.

There's you giving 'no fucks' and spilling a bunch of bullshit about the dangers of social media as if anybody with a brain and even a slight incline of discipline couldn't avoid them.

Utilise it. Social media isn't going anywhere. Don't get left behind.

[Confidence]

I'm in partial agreement with both Driesinator and Blackwell. As a man in my mid-30s, I honestly couldn't give a shit about social media and investing time in sitting around playing with my phone in order to dripfeed some sort of approval to women that I have on there.

On the other hand, I can definitely see the value of properly maintained Instagram and Facebook accounts. Bilzerian yes, white knight taking selfies no.

I'll use Dan B's Instagram as it's a great example of "persona marketing". He never, ever posts a "boring" photo, and rarely takes his photos himself. He's usually in the photos, doing some sort of higher value or very cool stuff.

I had a long debate with someone when Dan's Instagram started to take off in that it was nothing more than marketing and wouldn't cost you all that much to replicate. Seriously, having a professional photographer come out while you do amazing things isn't difficult. $500 - $1000 maximum is all you would need to have a photog and a couple of insane hotties for a few hours. As long as you plan out your photo ops, you can get a basket of photos that can then be dripfed into your Instagram at a later date.

The other stuff is just getting people to take the right photo of you at the right time. If you get a chance to meet a celebrity, you don't take some goofy photo with a hover hand. I have a photo of me somewhere armwrestling Tim Sylvia (back when he was the UFC heavyweight champ) as I ran into him in one of the casino bars at the Mandalay Bay and asked for a photo. He said yes, I said "let's armwrestle!" and he was into it.

Social media simply reflects the image that you give it. If you play the AFC poser who has nothing but selfies, that's what women will see.

There's some great debate in this thread.

[Driesinator]

(06-16-2015 10:35 PM)Blackwell Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 09:59 PM)Driesinator Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 04:49 PM)Blackwell Wrote:  

I know it's doom and gloom and all that but I seriously think it is adapt or perish right now with this whole social media thing if your a young dude.

Play the game or get left behind man. It sucks but I guess that just the way it is, way it is gonna be...

This is where you're dead wrong.

I'm 19 and the best thing i've ever done for my mental health and sex life was to shut down most my social media accounts , completely privatized Facebook and put focus on MYSELF. I also advise any young man to do the same. Stop sticking your head in a screen like a woman. Stop worrying about other people's lives and the constant comparisons. Start paving your own path, do whatever it is you want , give no fucks and look good doing it.
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Honestly, i don't see why guys worry about this, i've never had a girl flake on me or call me weird because i don't play the thirst trap game. Never.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

It is you who is missing the point entirely.

Did I say that you should make social media a core part of your life? No.

Did I say that you should be 'worrying' about others lives and comparing yourself to them? No.

Nobody has suggested that you play the thirst trap game. I mean what even is that? The looking at girls on social media thing? Don't indulge in it. It's not that hard.

You just misintepreted what I wrote.

You can still have social media accounts and focus on yourself. They aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm curious as to how many girls in 18-23 range you bang?How regularly?

Instagram etc is a tool. It is a tool that YOU can use in order to leverage YOURSELF as a high value dude. If you are using it, you should be doing so in order to bait girls into checking you out on there and boosting their attraction. It's not a major time investment. If you think that it is than you have been doing it wrong.

Look if you don't wanna play the game and you wanna forgo what is just another tool in the arsenal than be my guest.

I remember way back BlurredSevens posted something to the jist of no young girl being impressed by how anti social media you are. They are more likely to think you are a little odd than they are to drop their panties.

Then again maybe the girls are just a little more vapid where I'm from and it matters more.

I took a 2 year break at 17-19 from social media and it was a poor decision. It cost me some social circle, made me more difficult to reach and isolated me a little more for no reason whatsoever.

I didn't find that it helped my mental health at all because I never really abused it in the first place. Initially I thought like you that I was really sick and edgy for cutting myself off from social media and that it was really helping or whatever. That's all bullshit. Just learn how to manage it effectively.

You are not cool for ragging on social media. But look, I don't even enjoy it man, its just a tool to help you bang more hot girls and increase your social status. That's it. Just because you aren't inherently drawn to it, neither am I, doesn't mean you can't use it to get what you want.

There's me casually maintaining an Instagram and Facebook page, using them to rack up Tinder matches and hook/interact with new girls. Using them to link old flames and bang some of the girls I failed to bang when I was younger.

There's you giving 'no fucks' and spilling a bunch of bullshit about the dangers of social media as if anybody with a brain and even a slight incline of discipline couldn't avoid them.

Utilise it. Social media isn't going anywhere. Don't get left behind.

Alright.

I just think you saying 'play the game or get left behind' is bad advice. Everyone's game is different. Why do you have to exclude people who have different views than yours?

I'm curious as to how many girls in 18-23 range you bang?How regularly?
My overall notch count so far is 15, not much yet , 10 of those have been in the past year, all girls are 19-18. I have another date planned on friday to make it 16. None of these girls have ever called me 'weird' or 'not cool' because i don't broadcast my entire life to the world. My ex often called me mr. mysterious and always wanted to know what i was doing, not being available on social media and her not knowing what i was doing and with who helped me alot in this case.

Also, if you leaving social media cost you a social circle, that's your own fault, not social media.

I socialize and game the old fashioned way and i wouldn't want it any different, if i see a hot girl walking on the street, i just approach her, that's how i roll. I do my social-proofing in real life.

If you're doing well and meeting girls through social media, congratulations, good for you. I don't utilize it for game and i'm doing just fine too.

Personally i think the only benificial social media site for a man is LinkedIn.

Also, check out this comment by Scorpion http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-48346-...pid1046250

[BrazilianCocaine]

(06-17-2015 09:39 AM)Driesinator Wrote:  

Personally i think the only benificial social media site for a man is LinkedIn.

Very true

[Giovonny]

(06-10-2015 09:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I see a lot of older players such as Giovanny, just constantly espouse "Learn game and you'll be okay," when in reality that could be very, very bad advice for young guys.

Wait?!?!?

My advice is self development and self improvement.

How could that be bad advice?

(Please explain in simple terms. I didn't understand your last response?)

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(06-15-2015 11:07 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

how many girls Gio has to had approach (thousands)

In regards to all the girls I have approached on my journey.. I want to say:

It has been a pleasure!

It has been a pleasure learning how to bang cute college girls! It never felt like a burden! It was fun, exciting, adventurous, and deeply rewarding.

I was frustrated. I was average. I took massive physical and mental action to remove my frustrations.

Now, my frustration has been replaced with joy. It is a joy to know that at nearly 40 years old, I can still go out and bang cute college girls.

It was worth every approach.

I eliminated my frustration!

I refused to exist as an "average, frustrated, chump". I went to war against my frustration. I killed it!

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I also want to point out that as an "average, frustrated, chump in 2015 in the west"..

We have great opportunity for social mobility. We can change our lives drastically!

The internet, the self help industry, the pick up industry, this forum , etc. Never has there been so many resources for a man to improve.

In the East, a frustrated man may not have it better off. Would you rather be average and frustrated in Russia? China? India? Would you rather be average and frustrated in 1915? 1815?

My point is that we live in a great time to be average and frustrated. We live in a time when we actually have tremendous power to change our lives!

[Col. Tigh]

^^^ Bravo to the viewpoint Gio states above.

I am of similar age to him, and indeed I have taken Giovanny's approach reports as inspiration to proceed toward similar goals. And the mindset that the very process of approaching, bantering with, sometimes being successful with, but more often than not being declined by young girls is in and of itself an enjoyable thing, is the best way to think about it.

Gio, more than any other poster I know, reports not only his successes but also his approaches that didn't go anywhere. This full-view reporting may give the wrong impression, when a majority of us tend to post only about our resounding successes.

[Driesinator]

My gut feeling in general is that young men have become docile and feminine due to a vast number of factors, social media is one of them. The guy in the video is a perfect example of the species it has created.

It's no secret that it makes people insecure and messes up their social skills.

If you're a high value or high status male, yes you can use social media to your advantage but if that were the case, you wouldn't even have to use it in the first place.

Where i live, most people my age have Facebook/Instagram, even omegas who will never get laid have more than 1.000 'friends' on Facebook. So in my experience, girls in my age range don't want to meet guys through their social media pages, they use it for validation from friends and beta males and nothing more. Why do you think an app like Tinder is so popular?

All my old buddies are the popular , jock, jersey shore type dudes, GTL and Instagram 'bro's'. They spend their entire lives on that shit. They all have more than 1.000 followers. All are good looking guys.

Not one of them has gotten laid more than 3 times in their entire life, one of them is even a virgin. Having an active social media presence is not conductive to getting laid, there is no novelty in social media anymore. You will always need game. In fact, i think the reason why there are so many sexless chumps is because guys just don't approach and lack social skills.

The solution imo, is that you have to stand out in a way, you either find a niche that gets you high-status so you can rack up followers or you just decide to privatize it so girls can't judge your status and you will be a bit of a mystery to them. In any case, girls don't really care about it, i've never found it to be a dealbreaker, and i live in the West.

Not engaging in social media debauchery gives me peace of mind. I don't get reminded of people's dumb , sad and average lives, i don't have to play the keep-up-appearances game, because that's essentially what most people use it for.

I'm happy with my small circle of Facebook friends, if i use Facebook for game, it's strictly used for messaging, i never add aqquintances or girls. The only other thing i use and advise any other young male to use is LinkedIn, which i use for career opportunities and networking with people who add value.

So, my advice for the average chump in the West is to break free of the shackles of society, improve yourself in every way you can, don't surround yourself with dumb, average people (vast majority of society) , stop the social conditioning , stop making excuses and live the life that you want, not the life that society has chosen for you.

[Cobra]

I still don't understand Samseau's point and disagreement with Gio specifically.

Can someone point to a thread or post where he explains this clearly?

I'm interested.

[whoishe]

Very interesting thread.

For me being a fellow AFC Jetlagged pretty much nailed it with his post - http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-48010-...pid1037896

Abundance mentality (or rather lack of it) is really a huge issues with guys less popular with girl, guy like DistantLight maybe understood it once, but now he is just in another sphere with his advices.

(06-07-2015 11:40 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

I have a friend that I introduced to game, and he is still, as you described, a bitcher about women. A virgin in his mid-30s, still, after knowing about game for 2 years. I've gotten him to hit the gym harder, but his jokes and personal interactions lack social awareness and come across as try-hard. I'll be locking eyes with a girl and having a moment, and he won't even notice and start acting all giddy trying to snatch her up, while she's still eyefucking me. He chases them. They walk from him to me. He still doesn't notice.

Mutual friends (i.e. chicks I've banged who know him) complain about how he won't grow up and won't stop talking about his "ex" from years ago, whom he calls his "ex" because she's a 7.5 in a sea of 5s and 6s, even though I don't even think his dating went beyond him buying her dinner and him stopping short of heavy petting. I question if they even kissed. He tells me how he has "given up" on getting dates, even though he'll facebook message and friend girls, inviting them to do things, and these girls all report that they get that feeling that he likes them.

I feel like I've created a monster. A game cognisant AFC. He could boil over at any moment. I'm not sure what to do. He also likes to give advice to younger men, as he has read a lot of the blog talk, but I don't think he has ever ever ever touched a pussy. I have told him that it's not a good idea, that there's a time and a place, but he comes across as a "red pill" zealot more than anything else. Constantly dropping game terms in public that I would never use in the open. I've been trying to approach it delicately, but I'm not sure how to progress. There are so many flaws in his thinking and his lack of experience that I don't know how to touch it without an explosion. I came down on him hard one day, telling him that he needs to stop taking shit so seriously, but then I started getting reportage from a girl I banged who hangs out with him sometimes. She got really annoyed with him, and I wasn't even asking her to spy on him.

He's also expressed that he "deserves" a 8-10, even though he can't even game a 4-5 properly. He pointed back to girls he "could've/should've" married long ago, who he calls 10s, which are more like 7s with pleasant behaviors. I can only handle so many delusions at once. He won't put in any effort unless they are hot, so he only makes his pathetic attempts on girls that see right through him.

For this reason, I strongly recommend caution when introducing red pill knowledge to AFCs. You never know how it will go. I think that I have already told this guy too much, but so it is. I need to steer him away from negativity, but that shit ain't easy.

I don't really want to sound negative, but didn't you consider the fact that maybe you are more of an obstacle than help to him right now? You introduced him to red pill, he tries to do something with it, maybe it's time to let him go free, so he can do various stuff on his own, with success and failures.

You sound like someone who has much better game/presence/etc... than your friend, so girls are attracted to you when you are together. It can be depressing for other guy. Maybe he kinds of cockblocks you due to jealousy, willingly or not.

[RedGuard]

Interesting thread!

I've been told a couple of stories by girls I've been dating recently and it made me really shocked about the behaviour of beta average to good-looking guys (Mainly American) towards women in today's society.

- A girl who lives in Europe told me about a guy she met in the USA. That guy tried hard to get her but couldn't and now wants to come here with the only intention of meeting her, but she told him he shouldn't expect too much. How desperate do you have to be?!

- My current girlfriend got invited by a (good-looking) American guy to join him and his friends on vacation. He wanted to pay for all of her expenses including flight and hotel at the holiday destination. Again a beta chump who had no success with her previously and tried hard.

- A girl telling me about her ex-boyfriends who were all complete beta chumps who would pay for everything when they meet and even wanted to marry her (involves one American as well).

- A couple of girls I met were actually surprised that I didn't spoil them with presents / didn't take them out to a nice dinner / didn't pay for everything because they were used to get treated like that by their former beta dates.

Unfortunately many guys are putting pussy on such a high pedestal and do anything to get it that most girls' egos and demanding attitudes rise at an uncontrollable rate.

RedGuard

[BrazilianCocaine]

RedGuard the market adjustment will come soon.

The inflation can only last so long before the bubble bursts...If I didn't learn anything from watching CNBC Finance that's what I learned!!!

[philosophical_recovery]

^whoishe, that's probably the case. Although, we share a social group that is constantly in flux. We're not winging. Short of giving up my social group, I can't disappear. What do you do, not hit on an 8 in your sights because a friend also might want to hit on her? Give up my best performing game environment because there are other thirsty males? This recently happened. Got her number, he was also into her.

I've talked to him recently about shooting for the moon when he hasn't any experience with the 5s or 6s around, but in different terms. He's calmed down a bit since I wrote that. I'm going to stop talking to him about girls unless he comes to me.

Edit because that wasn't clear:

An 8 I was previously working on showed up recently. I remarked to him that she was back, the next day when we were hanging out. I said I had her number at one point and I lost it. She had gotten a boyfriend around that time and disappeared. Said I would get her number next time I saw her, as she was talking about her ex and was flirty. He said he was going to Facebook her, and I told him that was lame and he should just get her number.

See her again. The whole time she's giving me huge IOIs, asking what ai was doing on the weekends, etc. Got her to agree to meet with me. Got her number. Left the scene, and she followed me out and flirted, saying that I was leaving without saying goodbye to her.

Then, I see my friend the next time. Was talking about gaming her without mentioning names. He asked who she was. Told him. Asked if I got her number, said yes. Butthurt triggered. He apparently was face booking her in the meantime. He exploded in anger at me.

Smoothed it over with him later. He understood we were in competition. Iced her number for a while. Got her back to my place and escalated until she stopped me, repeatedly. Will not tell him. What's the point?

[Seadog]

(06-15-2015 10:45 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

Did you guys know that 90% of startup companies fail?

Top causes: running out of money, bad market fit, bad product, inexperienced founders, and, of course: getting outcompeted.

I see the sexual market in the exact same light.

But you know what's different?

While you make excellent points about being the best you can and to stop bitching, I would argue that the key difference is that there is pussy inflation going on. Working as hard as you did 10 years ago gets you less and less. The 'average' girl in real terms has become worse (fatter, bitchier, more entitled) and a 5 from 1990 is today's 7. This I think is where the bulk of frustration is coming from.

To further your economic analogy, I would say that today's sexual market place is no different than that of post war Germany with hyperinflation. Is it impossible to win? No, but the winners are getting fewer and fewer, and for all your efforts you're getting decreasingly valuable returns.

As the whole of women get less and less attractive, the pie is literally shrinking and every man loses as a result. Getting in shape is the classic win-win. You become healthier and more attractive, and guys have a bigger pool of hot women to pick from.

[Saladin]

(06-22-2015 03:09 PM)Seadog Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:45 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

Did you guys know that 90% of startup companies fail?

Top causes: running out of money, bad market fit, bad product, inexperienced founders, and, of course: getting outcompeted.

I see the sexual market in the exact same light.

But you know what's different?

While you make excellent points about being the best you can and to stop bitching, I would argue that the key difference is that there is pussy inflation going on. Working as hard as you did 10 years ago gets you less and less. The 'average' girl in real terms has become worse (fatter, bitchier, more entitled) and a 5 from 1990 is today's 7. This I think is where the bulk of frustration is coming from.

To further your economic analogy, I would say that today's sexual market place is no different than that of post war Germany with hyperinflation. Is it impossible to win? No, but the winners are getting fewer and fewer, and for all your efforts you're getting decreasingly valuable returns.

As the whole of women get less and less attractive, the pie is literally shrinking and every man loses as a result. Getting in shape is the classic win-win. You become healthier and more attractive, and guys have a bigger pool of hot women to pick from.

On the contrary, we've never had better resources as men to improve ourselves. That more than makes up for any market inflation in the value of an average girl. The guys who are high level in game are really skilled and have a ton of choice.

And I agree with Gio, I don't see time spent on approaching girls as a "waste". It's a helluva lot of fun, forces you to really grow and let go of your ego, and builds self confidence which helps tremendously in business situations.

As Gio said we have so many resources to help us live the life we want to. Those resources would not have existed 30-40 years ago.

[Seadog]

(06-24-2015 12:56 AM)Saladin Wrote:  

On the contrary, we've never had better resources as men to improve ourselves. That more than makes up for any market inflation in the value of an average girl. The guys who are high level in game are really skilled and have a ton of choice.

And I agree with Gio, I don't see time spent on approaching girls as a "waste". It's a helluva lot of fun, forces you to really grow and let go of your ego, and builds self confidence which helps tremendously in business situations.

As Gio said we have so many resources to help us live the life we want to. Those resources would not have existed 30-40 years ago.

Every other guy has access to those resources too. So while individually in absolute terms you may get better, relatively not so much. I'll make my point ad infinitum. Assume the situation deteriorates so much that the entire female population is reduced to a single 8, and a bunch of warpigs. The second most valuable guy in the world is left with scraps. Contrast with a land where everyone is in shape and at worst a 5. Even guys scraping the bottom of the barrel get something not horrible.

It's no different than when any resource gets scarce. If all of a sudden there are less doctors, either certain people, or certain minor issues wont get treated, and prices will rise for those who do. Everyone loses(except remaining doctors). Same thing here. There's a sexual market opportunity for hot women since in absolute terms they've decreased.

[Nascimento]

(06-24-2015 07:15 AM)Seadog Wrote:  

Every other guy has access to those resources too. So while individually in absolute terms you may get better, relatively not so much. I'll make my point ad infinitum. Assume the situation deteriorates so much that the entire female population is reduced to a single 8, and a bunch of warpigs. The second most valuable guy in the world is left with scraps. Contrast with a land where everyone is in shape and at worst a 5. Even guys scraping the bottom of the barrel get something not horrible.

Indeed.

But most guys keep proving it time and time again that they are just fine with being average.

How many guys will consistently push themselves out of their comfort zone to meet women in uncommon situations?

How many guys can meet girls in bars and clubs sober?

How many guys can take girls home or pull them from a night spot?

The above is just game. How about the gym? I see cyclical workout schedules. Right before the summer, briefly during the winter, January workout plans. I've lost count how many times I've seen or heard about guys only working out when they are 100% single.

They go out on a couple dates or get their first girl since their last relationship and their gym membership just becomes something auto-renewed on a monthly basis with no activity.

How about style and fashion? I have to admit, lately at the spots I've been going to the guys are dressing up, better than me. But like in anything else, don't do what the masses do. I dress in a way I feel comfortable and that suits my style. I'm doing casual nights out, since I'm out all the time as opposed to the once in a blue moon night out for the average guy.

He shows up with full Zara attire while I am here in the same spot rocking H&M. From a fashion standpoint he looks better, but I am doing better.

Lastly, a lot of this has to do with mindset.

For lack of a better term, the AFC is just not attuned to a cute girl showing him interest. It's not that he's likely to screw it up, it's just that he's not in an ideal position to handle it well.

Body language is astronomically important in these situations.

The only way to get good is to be constantly out there, at least until you develop a mindset of abundance and success.

I don't recommend it for long periods of time, but doing several months of consistent nights out is the best way to develop a game foundation that lasts.

How many of these average guys are willing to go out 3-4 nights a week, consistently for several months?

Sober and solo, if necessary?

Back to the bolded point, how many guys are really investing in the resources available to them to improve?

In absolute terms, the ones with true dedication are certainly ahead. To suggest relatively is not also a sharp contrast is a misconceived notion in my opinion.

[BrazilianCocaine]

Nascimiento

These are all good points which leads to this fact: The Beta Revolution will rock the West. Here is why:

Most guys simply do not have the time, money, potential, resources or whatever may be required to sustain a lifestyle focused on game improvement for 5-10 years straight or however much time it may take for them to get a Good Woman.

This is why I stress, if you find a girl you can stand being with for more than a year living in the West - You've found a gold nugget (if she's foreign) and a platinum nugget if she's American born. Do not let her go because the time you will spend finding another one will have you deep in negative ROI in terms of time which = lost money and other opportunities to live a fulfilling life.

I feel MGTOW will increase dramatically because most Men do not see spending 5 years learning and mastering game as an effective use of time. This 5 years estimate is based on experience I've had with several Beta-to-the-Core individuals. Raised by Single Mommy no Male figure in their life, bullied with psychological trauma in their youth, etc. As we all know Women are not the "end all and be all" of life. Due to the brainwashing in their upbringing - Most of these Men grow up as little pussy boys and therefore will take infinitely more time to de-program and train than those of us who were fortunate enough to grow up with an Alpha Dad, or a Dad period. However, these pussified Men will "Man Up" in other ways and since it appears they do not want to patronize escorts, they will become monks and remain celibate. This could potentially lead to the birth of many new scientific inventions which would ordinarily not come about due to many Men's potential being stunted by the priorities of finding a Woman.

So when you do the math, and see how much more Betafied these young guys are becoming over time exponentially (thank you single baby mommas) combined with the building intensity of the bitchiness of the Women you have a keg powder bomb that is ready to explode completely. As to whether they pick up the lab coat or the AK-47 in response to this - Your guess is as good as mines.

While I value and admire the experienced players on here who valiantly charge forward they must realize that with the 80/20 rule, if 80% of the population is suffering a problem like this with no solution it doesn't really matter if the 20% are still succeeding due to various factors like family background, economics and mental/esoteric health or perspectives (or most importantly lack of religious brainwashing)

The explosion will still happen and we will need to be prepared as "enlightened ones" to deal with both the events that await and the aftermath. It will get bloody and tenacious there is no doubt about it. And in certain parts of the U.S. it is accelerating rather quickly. The guys who are doing these shootings are getting younger on average compared to your standard serial killer in the 70's. This is the most disturbing part. And it correlates with unemployment levels among Young Men along with declining college enrollments, increasing amount of male NEETs (Neither in Education, Employment or Training). With their balls at full capacity and their backs against the wall, what do you think will happen...

[Nascimento]

As scary as some repercussions may seem, I disagree that most of the guys growing up today are sexually frustrated.

Certainly some of them are. But most of them don't even know what they are missing.

The widespread availability of porn is also a way for many guys to sink themselves into a fantasy they wish were reality, and which ultimately becomes reality for them.

Why make the efforts for a real girl, when you can find a more attractive counterpart on redtube?

Obviously it's not the same thing. Especially the sexual component. But most young guys growing up in this generation really don't know any better.

[CH-Toronto]

(06-22-2015 03:09 PM)Seadog Wrote:  

While you make excellent points about being the best you can and to stop bitching, I would argue that the key difference is that there is pussy inflation going on. Working as hard as you did 10 years ago gets you less and less. The 'average' girl in real terms has become worse (fatter, bitchier, more entitled) and a 5 from 1990 is today's 7. This I think is where the bulk of frustration is coming from.

To add to this - the reverse is also true for guys.

Being a "7" 20 years ago, is now akin to being a 5.5/6 today.

[rudebwoy]

(06-24-2015 07:58 AM)BrazilianCocaine Wrote:  

Nascimiento

These are all good points which leads to this fact: The Beta Revolution will rock the West. Here is why:

Most guys simply do not have the time, money, potential, resources or whatever may be required to sustain a lifestyle focused on game improvement for 5-10 years straight or however much time it may take for them to get a Good Woman.

This is why I stress, if you find a girl you can stand being with for more than a year living in the West - You've found a gold nugget (if she's foreign) and a platinum nugget if she's American born. Do not let her go because the time you will spend finding another one will have you deep in negative ROI in terms of time which = lost money and other opportunities to live a fulfilling life.

I feel MGTOW will increase dramatically because most Men do not see spending 5 years learning and mastering game as an effective use of time. This 5 years estimate is based on experience I've had with several Beta-to-the-Core individuals. Raised by Single Mommy no Male figure in their life, bullied with psychological trauma in their youth, etc. As we all know Women are not the "end all and be all" of life. Due to the brainwashing in their upbringing - Most of these Men grow up as little pussy boys and therefore will take infinitely more time to de-program and train than those of us who were fortunate enough to grow up with an Alpha Dad, or a Dad period. However, these pussified Men will "Man Up" in other ways and since it appears they do not want to patronize escorts, they will become monks and remain celibate. This could potentially lead to the birth of many new scientific inventions which would ordinarily not come about due to many Men's potential being stunted by the priorities of finding a Woman.

So when you do the math, and see how much more Betafied these young guys are becoming over time exponentially (thank you single baby mommas) combined with the building intensity of the bitchiness of the Women you have a keg powder bomb that is ready to explode completely. As to whether they pick up the lab coat or the AK-47 in response to this - Your guess is as good as mines.

While I value and admire the experienced players on here who valiantly charge forward they must realize that with the 80/20 rule, if 80% of the population is suffering a problem like this with no solution it doesn't really matter if the 20% are still succeeding due to various factors like family background, economics and mental/esoteric health or perspectives (or most importantly lack of religious brainwashing)

The explosion will still happen and we will need to be prepared as "enlightened ones" to deal with both the events that await and the aftermath. It will get bloody and tenacious there is no doubt about it. And in certain parts of the U.S. it is accelerating rather quickly. The guys who are doing these shootings are getting younger on average compared to your standard serial killer in the 70's. This is the most disturbing part. And it correlates with unemployment levels among Young Men along with declining college enrollments, increasing amount of male NEETs (Neither in Education, Employment or Training). With their balls at full capacity and their backs against the wall, what do you think will happen...

I am sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree about what you wrote here. This does not sound like an abundance mentality.
My job is not too hold onto any woman, her job is too keep me happy.
Too many guys put up with BS in the west when dating these women, I would rather be single and happy.
Women are smart, they will play jedi mind tricks on you to try and make it seem they are doing you a favour. I have dated great women in the past, I realize they are harder to come by these days. That doesn't mean I am going to settle for second best.

There is always time to game bitches, even if it is an hour a day.
Money is nice to have, but money alone will not get you bitches. Not the girls I want at least.
Every guy has the potential, if they truly want to learn.
The whole MGTOW revolution I cannot get with, I like women and there flaws too much.
There will be no Beta revolution, they are too busy with there gadgets and internet porn.

[Fortis]

having gone through 3 year dry streaks I csn say that thr average guy has bigger issues than game. Most of these dudes are under employed or unemployed, sloppy looking and messed up. This isn't every dude, but it's rough out here. Many of the things a man could derive a real sense of confidence from aren't around in the ways that they were before.

Families are broken and men are actively discouraged from starting them. Most college paths lead nowhere for the average man. Good Blue collar work is hard to break into. People are isolated and fragmented. Game and the need to learn it is a symptom of a messed up society. Talking to women was a natural part of life but now it is a learned skill and if you don't learn it your genetic line is over.

[worldtraveler3]

I also don't agree with the fact that u should hold on to your "nugget" if u have been with her for a year, or any amount of time for that matter. This mentality is terrible.
I've been with women who I have been with over 1 year, and even 2~3 years, and now I am so glad that that ended as there were sides that were horrible which werent discovered.
Having the above mentality also gives you less willingness to explore life in general, and, why settle for a someone just because u were with her a year? Is she pushing marriage?