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07-17-2014, 04:43 PM
This looks more like a case of stupidity or incompetence than anything else. So was KAL 007.
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07-17-2014, 04:59 PM
Yeah, this is what will isolate Putin.
Russia already pushing blame on Kiev. Unwise, I think.
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07-17-2014, 05:02 PM
Some good trolling here:
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07-17-2014, 05:22 PM
Ukrainian army might be stupid, but why would they take down a plane? The rebels have no air support. That leaves the possibility that either the Ukrainian army attacked what they thought a single Russian plane, which is hard to believe, or it is the rebels who mistook the plane for a Ukrainian Cargo plane and took it down.
ps: oh yeah and there is the slight possibility that there is no missile and this is an accident and it's just a wild coincidence that it happened over Donetsk.
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07-17-2014, 05:32 PM
Quote: (07-17-2014 05:22 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:
the rebels who mistook the plane for a Ukrainian Cargo plane and took it down.
I still don't understand what a Ukrainian cargo plane would be doing at 33,000 ft AGL close to the border with Russia.
A possibility would be to airdrop cargo to resupply the Ukrainian forces. But why not use armored vehicles instead? After all, the Ukrainian military has air superiority. And at 33,000 ft AGL, the airdrop would be horribly inaccurate. Well, if the parachutes were opened close to the ground, it would be less inaccurate.
More importantly, why were civilian aircraft flying over a warzone in which military aircraft have been shot down by surface-to-air missiles? Why wasn't the airspace over the Donbas closed to civilian air traffic weeks ago?
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07-17-2014, 06:10 PM
Quote: (07-17-2014 06:05 PM)Vicious Wrote:
MH likely ignored this due to shorter flight = cheaper.
Flying some 200 miles North of that route would have increased the cost negligibly and reduced the risk considerably. I am starting to think that Malaysia Airlines is ruled by bean-counting morons.
Well, 2 planes down in less than 5 months...
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07-17-2014, 06:38 PM
Quote: (07-17-2014 06:27 PM)samsamsam Wrote:
If radar picks up the trajectory of the missile or the launch location pinging the plane. Can that all be faked or can it give a good idea where it came from? To me, I think with that data you can probably figure out where the missile came from.
If the SAM missile broadcasts its own position and velocity over a radio channel, then it should be even easier than relying on radar signals (which can be fabricated), since several different receptors spread over a wide area should receive the exact same
telemetry signal from the missile.
For more details:
Telemetry Analysis (1995)
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07-17-2014, 06:40 PM
I'm calling false flag based on what I've seen and what I've read. I saw that RT video live that was horrendous. Malaysian airlines can't catch a break.
To be fair to the airline, there was 4 planes in that corridor at the time it was shot down, it's well used by European airlines for flights to the south east.
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07-17-2014, 06:40 PM
Icarus, I got a 404 error. But it does sound like it can be figured out with some degree of certainty given, what I imagine, the assets (radar, satellites, etc.) that are focused on the Ukraine/Russia border due to the current crisis.
Some "intercepted" messages seem to indicate the Russian separatists know they fucked up. I put intercepted in quotes because no one has to fully verify they are authentic messages.
EDIT: Works now, thanks Icarus. Not sure what happened. I imagined there was a lot of data but didn't know how it was transmitted. Good stuff thanks!
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07-17-2014, 06:46 PM
Quote: (07-17-2014 06:40 PM)samsamsam Wrote:
Icarus, I got a 404 error.
You should be able to read the CIA article. Perhaps CIA links are blocked by your ISP. In any case, google the following to find the article:
"Some of the ways in which Soviet missile flights and the missiles themselves can be reconstructed by monitoring their signals."
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07-17-2014, 06:53 PM
If it's true that the separatists claimed responsibility then quickly retracted it, then that's fairly incriminating. If so, that kind of pulls the rug out from under Putin if he was hoping for a moral high-ground reason to provide more overt assistance to the separatists. Unless they really screw up, I think Kiev may have just won this thing.
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07-17-2014, 06:57 PM
Interesting that the US has the capabilities to pinpoint a surface to air system turning on and locking on a target but they can't seem to find a jumbo fucking jet that disappeared
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07-17-2014, 07:01 PM
Quote: (07-17-2014 06:57 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:
Interesting that the US has the capabilities to pinpoint a surface to air system turning on and locking on a target but they can't seem to find a jumbo fucking jet that disappeared
The U.S. Navy almost certainly has at least one signals intelligence (SIGINT) ship in the Black Sea listening to radio communications, SAM missile telemetry, etc. The U.S. Navy does not have a crystal ball to know where a civilian aircraft will vanish so they can send a SIGINT vessel to the region a few days in advance to listen to radio communications and track the aircraft.
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07-17-2014, 07:06 PM
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