[Mekorig]

(07-17-2014 12:06 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Who has repeatedly made gestures to de-escalate the tension in Ukraine? Russia.

I would say on the contrary, by arming and financing the terrorist. But i agree that Putin is not a moron to make a move like that, neither Poroshenko. This is the work of a really moron terrorist, or just plain stupidity by someone with access to anti-air missiles.

[Chaos]

Sitting in the hotel lobby here and things are getting intense and people are making a lot of phone calls.

The guy I was chatting with the last hours all of a sudden flew up from his chair.
Three of his friends were working in the cabin crew. I almost had to force him back into his chair.

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It didn't take 10min before Swedish FM Carl Bildt is announcing on his twitter that Pro Russian rebels shot the plane down.

The propaganda war has begun.

[Nascimento]

I don't know the current news well and what's going on over there in regards to politics and war, but this is really unfortunate.

Remember to live your life to the most of it whenever you can. Unexpected things happen. Not saying YOLO, but there is definitely a balance between going all out and failing to live the most of your days because 'theres always time to do this and that'.

[The Beast1]

The US wants a war so it can invalidate all of Russia's treasury holdings making that debt disappear. We basically have a nice financial "gun" held to the heads of a lot of world powers. No ones wants to lose their hard earned money, but if such a thing does occur it will definitely change the world power map.

[scorpion]

(07-17-2014 12:13 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:06 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Who has repeatedly made gestures to de-escalate the tension in Ukraine? Russia.

I would say on the contrary, by arming and financing the terrorist. But i agree that Putin is not a moron to make a move like that, neither Poroshenko. This is the work of a really moron terrorist, or just plain stupidity by someone with access to anti-air missiles.

Who are "the terrorist[s]"?

You mean the separatist rebels who are simply fighting for political autonomy?

Or perhaps you are referring to the U.S./NATO backed Ukranian government, which seized power from a democratically elected President through a violent coup, and which seeks to impose its will on the entire country.

That would actually make more sense.

Unfortunately I think you meant the former, in which case you are just regurgitating Western media propaganda.

If the word had been around back then, you could be sure that George Washington and the rest of the founding fathers would have been decried as terrorists in the British papers.

[3extra]

When I first saw the story I thought it meant the mh370 flight.

This is fucked up.

[Katatonic]

(07-17-2014 12:27 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

The US wants a war so it can invalidate all of Russia's treasury holdings making that debt disappear. We basically have a nice financial "gun" held to the heads of a lot of world powers. No ones wants to lose their hard earned money, but if such a thing does occur it will definitely change the world power map.

Fortunately the US and Europe are so fucking broke that they would have to approach the IMF hat in hand and beg for some SDR's before they could even consider an escalation against Russia.

[Mekorig]

(07-17-2014 12:30 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:13 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:06 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Who has repeatedly made gestures to de-escalate the tension in Ukraine? Russia.

I would say on the contrary, by arming and financing the terrorist. But i agree that Putin is not a moron to make a move like that, neither Poroshenko. This is the work of a really moron terrorist, or just plain stupidity by someone with access to anti-air missiles.

Who are "the terrorist[s]"?

You mean the separatist rebels who are simply fighting for political autonomy?

Or perhaps you are referring to the U.S./NATO backed Ukranian government, which seized power from a democratically elected President through a violent coup, and which seeks to impose its will on the entire country.

That would actually make more sense.

Unfortunately I think you meant the former, in which case you are just regurgitating Western media propaganda.

If the word had been around back then, you could be sure that George Washington and the rest of the founding fathers would have been decried as terrorists in the British papers.

Whatever ring your bell corpion, i could say that you are regurgitating Russian propaganda. I make my opinion on the matter not based on western media, but in other sources, and by talking with direct family in the conflict zone. You?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

It's very depressing and scary that we as individuals have no control over this sort of fucked up shit. To die in an accident, sure, but to die because one side or the other just feels like it or does it just to send a message... that is truly terrifying. You can stack cash, bodybuild to extremes and be famous, but someone far away just decides that time has come for you and your life is snapped away.

[Roosh]

Whichever side escalates the conflict after this event, we can assume that they were the ones who shot it down, either accidentally or purposefully. Let's see who tries to take military/political advantage of it most.

[Mekorig]

[quote='Roosh' pid='782898' dateline='1405620528']
Whichever side escalates the conflict after this event, we can assume that they were the ones who shot it down, either accidentally or purposefully. Let's see who tries to take military/political advantage of it most.
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I would be more fareful with that line of tough. As more i read about the incident, the more i think it was an accident by either the russians or the terrorists, not a deliverated move to escalate the conflict.

[ocean]

This has happened just in time to distract the media from the Israeli ground invasion about to happen in Gaza.

[Big Nilla]

(07-17-2014 12:30 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:13 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:06 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Who has repeatedly made gestures to de-escalate the tension in Ukraine? Russia.

I would say on the contrary, by arming and financing the terrorist. But i agree that Putin is not a moron to make a move like that, neither Poroshenko. This is the work of a really moron terrorist, or just plain stupidity by someone with access to anti-air missiles.

Who are "the terrorist[s]"?

You mean the separatist rebels who are simply fighting for political autonomy?

Or perhaps you are referring to the U.S./NATO backed Ukranian government, which seized power from a democratically elected President through a violent coup, and which seeks to impose its will on the entire country.

That would actually make more sense.

Unfortunately I think you meant the former, in which case you are just regurgitating Western media propaganda.

If the word had been around back then, you could be sure that George Washington and the rest of the founding fathers would have been decried as terrorists in the British papers.

Ha. Great minds think alike. Just made this point in response to mekorig in the Ukraine conflict thread.

[Big Nilla]

(07-17-2014 12:42 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:30 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:13 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:06 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Who has repeatedly made gestures to de-escalate the tension in Ukraine? Russia.

I would say on the contrary, by arming and financing the terrorist. But i agree that Putin is not a moron to make a move like that, neither Poroshenko. This is the work of a really moron terrorist, or just plain stupidity by someone with access to anti-air missiles.

Who are "the terrorist[s]"?

You mean the separatist rebels who are simply fighting for political autonomy?

Or perhaps you are referring to the U.S./NATO backed Ukranian government, which seized power from a democratically elected President through a violent coup, and which seeks to impose its will on the entire country.

That would actually make more sense.

Unfortunately I think you meant the former, in which case you are just regurgitating Western media propaganda.

If the word had been around back then, you could be sure that George Washington and the rest of the founding fathers would have been decried as terrorists in the British papers.

Whatever ring your bell corpion, i could say that you are regurgitating Russian propaganda. I make my opinion on the matter not based on western media, but in other sources, and by talking with direct family in the conflict zone. You?

Perhaps your family is biased!?

[Roosh]

My instinct tells me it was an accident by the Russian militia. If you watch videos of them, they are quite the rag tag group of mostly amateurs.

Then again, the Ukrainian army is just as bad, but I have a feeling they have better (American) advisers.

[Big Nilla]

(07-17-2014 01:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

My instinct tells me it was an accident by the Russian militia. If you watch videos of them, they are quite the rag tag group of mostly amateurs.

Then again, the Ukrainian army is just as bad, but I have a feeling they have better (American) advisers.

The true amateurs on the ground are on the Kiev side. All reports seem to point that they're getting slaughtered in battles against the separatists. Without planes and artillery, the Kiev forces are nothing, even with a huge equipment advantage.

Edit: I should say all indications, not reports.

[Roosh]

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/489824863725813760

23 Americans on board.

[Vicious]

Before everyone cries conspiracy it should be noted that the separatists just yesterday took responsibility for downing another plane in the same region.

Earlier today they said they had shot down another transport plane. Likely this is actually the MH flight.

http://www.rferl.mobi/a/ukraine-separati...60930.html
http://mashable.com/2014/07/14/plane-ukraine/

It should also be noted that the news agency reporting that the downing is by separatists is the Russian Interfax which would further question the legitimacy of the claims of a false flash operation.

[Cattle Rustler]

(07-17-2014 01:19 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

Perhaps your family is biased!?

Really? This is your "comeback"?

[3extra]

I reckon it was mistaken identity (by pro-Russian rebels).

Brought down a few Military aircrafts over the past few days and probably lost the run of themselves.

[WilliamShatnersEgo]

What's the difference between these pics and the Pennsylvania 9/11 pics? The 9/11 pics had no bodies and those pics were taken almost immediately.

[soup]

23 Americans? This isn't going to be pretty.

[ocean]

Putin's plane overlapped MH17 flight route less than hour before

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

[elite x51]

According to specialist it may have been shot by a Buk missile system capable of hitting a target 22,000km cruise height considering the MH17 10,000km flying height.Its sad those 295 innocent people have lost their lives.RIP.

[el mechanico]

(07-17-2014 02:25 PM)ocean Wrote:  

Putin's plane overlapped MH17 flight route less than hour before

http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

He's gonna be pissed.