Anyone noticed how dilated his pupils are in this photo?
Lizard of Oz mentioned his head state and usage of pharmaceutical drugs, but he looks like he is high from recreational drugs.
Quote: (07-05-2014 05:30 AM)Icarus Wrote:
Quote: (07-05-2014 05:25 AM)Brosemite Wrote:
She's absolutely stunning.
She's also 32 years old, though.
Quote: (07-05-2014 11:10 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:
The fact that they met on Millionaire Matchmaker ... told me everything I needed to know.
Quote: (07-05-2014 11:15 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:
She has a very cool, collected air about her. If she wasn't so attractive, she would seem downright androgynous.
While some may think it's good for a woman to be more controlled and less emotional, her demeanor is a little unsettling to me. I'd much sooner take the girlier blonde interviewing her. I don't trust a girl I can't make giggle like a little girl, and even that is no assurance.
Quote: (07-05-2014 10:31 PM)arribaperro Wrote:
Watch Andrew Stern interact with the ladies. Maybe he should have married Whitney the sales associate because my initial impression is that she's cute, sweet, and easier to maintain. Note she complimented him twice right away, and was smiling when they talked. She would have been the one making him happy, instead of the other way around.
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vtbg2hpx/
Compare this to Katie Cleary. She's not the sweet type, and she has a no B.S. and direct type of attitude ("no cheesy lines"). In fact, Katie's outgoing personality is directly opposite to Andrew's shyness. I can see Andrew not being the dominant personality in their relationship and her getting bored of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6llN3f1LSk
Listen to Q&A with Katie Cleary. She implies she had a couple of asshole boyfriends in Chicago, then said if she was a guy she would prey on the stupid girls. If she could have a ONS, she would have hypothetical hypergamy with Marlon Brando. Cleary is smart to not talk about her sexual experience. I found her pretty hot in this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0jJPhSwXo
Quote: (07-05-2014 10:31 PM)arribaperro Wrote:
Watch Andrew Stern interact with the ladies. Maybe he should have married Whitney the sales associate because my initial impression is that she's cute, sweet, and easier to maintain. Note she complimented him twice right away, and was smiling when they talked. She would have been the one making him happy, instead of the other way around.
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vtbg2hpx/
Compare this to Katie Cleary. She's not the sweet type, and she has a no B.S. and direct type of attitude ("no cheesy lines"). In fact, Katie's outgoing personality is directly opposite to Andrew's shyness. I can see Andrew not being the dominant personality in their relationship and her getting bored of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6llN3f1LSk
Listen to Q&A with Katie Cleary. She implies she had a couple of asshole boyfriends in Chicago, then said if she was a guy she would prey on the stupid girls. If she could have a ONS, she would have hypothetical hypergamy with Marlon Brando. Cleary is smart to not talk about her sexual experience. I found her pretty hot in this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0jJPhSwXo
Quote: (07-06-2014 01:12 AM)Excelsior Wrote:
The fact that Stern was quiet isn't necessarily the problem - one can be fairly introverted while conveying strength. It takes time to learn (lessons often come the hard way via trial and error), but introverts can learn to exude a confident aura that people respect even though they do not talk much. This is especially true for introverts who look like Stern (strong physique, decent height, handsome features, etc).
Stern's problem was that he wasn't even the strong silent type - he was the weak silent type, the kind that doesn't even really exude any of the strength women look for in the men they wish to commit to. He just looked scared and awkward all the time, and couldn't even make a basic approach in a room full of women dying to meet him (something even an introvert needs to learn how to do). His conversational skills were particularly poor judging from the video - introverts don't need to speak much, but it helps that they sound good when they do. This ups the value of their word and build respect among those they interact with. Stern opened his mouth and just killed attraction.
These videos have made the reasoning behind the development of this story much clearer to me. The implosion of this relationship was inevitable.
Quote: (07-05-2014 11:15 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:
She has a very cool, collected air about her. If she wasn't so attractive, she would seem downright androgynous.
While some may think it's good for a woman to be more controlled and less emotional, her demeanor is a little unsettling to me. I'd much sooner take the girlier blonde interviewing her. I don't trust a girl I can't make giggle like a little girl, and even that is no assurance.
Quote: (07-06-2014 01:12 AM)Excelsior Wrote:
Quote: (07-05-2014 10:31 PM)arribaperro Wrote:
Watch Andrew Stern interact with the ladies. Maybe he should have married Whitney the sales associate because my initial impression is that she's cute, sweet, and easier to maintain. Note she complimented him twice right away, and was smiling when they talked. She would have been the one making him happy, instead of the other way around.
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vtbg2hpx/
Compare this to Katie Cleary. She's not the sweet type, and she has a no B.S. and direct type of attitude ("no cheesy lines"). In fact, Katie's outgoing personality is directly opposite to Andrew's shyness. I can see Andrew not being the dominant personality in their relationship and her getting bored of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6llN3f1LSk
Listen to Q&A with Katie Cleary. She implies she had a couple of asshole boyfriends in Chicago, then said if she was a guy she would prey on the stupid girls. If she could have a ONS, she would have hypothetical hypergamy with Marlon Brando. Cleary is smart to not talk about her sexual experience. I found her pretty hot in this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0jJPhSwXo
After watching these videos and a few others on youtube featuring Cleary, I can say without a doubt that she had complete and total emotional and psychological control over Andrew Stern. She ran the show, and it wasn't even debatable. There is absolutely no way that Stern had any leverage or control in that relationship - she was far, FAR beyond anything he was equipped to handle.
Her attention-seeking nature was already challenging enough. As I mentioned in previous posts, physically elite women with a strong attention-seeking drive are hard to lock down even for high status, supremely dominant and confident men, nevermind insecure, highly medicated softies like Stern. He was precisely the kind of man who would be prone to quick emotional investment in such a woman, and she most certainly never fully reciprocated. Again, that hurt him badly.
Beyond that, however, is the fact that she's just a dominant personality. I can't even really imagine him holding his own in a conversation with her. This was not the kind of guy who could approach her confidently, build solid rapport via conversation or make her laugh much, banter with her evenly (she seems the type to throw out a lot of shit tests I doubt Stern would pass) and actually build solid attraction. Rather, it is clear that she settled - he got her because he looked like a solid provider, the kind who could take her to events in style like this:
Just listen to her at 1:50 in this video - "exotic rental car company", favorite car is the "R8 V10 Spyder" - the girl likes nice things, and Stern could pay for them. She spends this video sitting in a Rolls-Royce Ghost (apparently NOT her favorite car) that she'd not be riding around in without him -this is what he brought to the table (plus his ability to fund her expensive animal rights crusade).
She just tolerated his flaws in light of his ability to provide a certain lifestyle for her, and the ease with which he could manipulate him into doing so. I could picture her holding back her more dominant persona during their early conversations, watching as he weakly tried to build rapport and pretending to be genuinely attracted to his personality (when all he really had to offer was his finances and status). She led the way the whole time, I'm certain of it.
Listen to her at 2:50 in this video when she answers a question about how to turn a guy on - she talks about using her personality ("watching football", "having a blast", etc). I could actually see that scaring the crap out of Stern. There was no way he'd be able to go toe-to-toe with her as she showed this "personality" - she'd end up leading the way as he meekly followed, bullied into submission by her enthusiasm and unable to even drum up some playful banter in response.
He was a means to an end for her, and he had absolutely no hope of holding her down for long with his introversion and generally weak game. Once he got a ring on her finger, she stopped holding back her naturally dominant persona (no need to charm him and indulge his weakness as much as before now that they were husband and wife) and things went downhill. She probably got a little more critical of him to his face, tested him a little more, and generally made him feel the consequences of his weakness more than he ever had earlier in their relationship. Not only did she have to satisfy her natural desire to seek attention (which no one man could satisfy), but she got tired to dealing with really weak game and having to lead the relationship herself. It was only a matter of time before she left.
I agree with aribaperro's assertion that the pretty sales associate would have been better for him, but even she would have run the show (you can see in that clip that she was already kind of leading the way in that conversation) and tired of the union eventually, though it would have taken longer for it to implode.
The fact that Stern was quiet isn't necessarily the problem - one can be fairly introverted while conveying strength. It takes time to learn (lessons often come the hard way via trial and error), but introverts can learn to exude a confident aura that people respect even though they do not talk much. This is especially true for introverts who look like Stern (strong physique, decent height, handsome features, etc).
Stern's problem was that he wasn't even the strong silent type - he was the weak silent type, the kind that doesn't even really exude any of the strength women look for in the men they wish to commit to. He just looked scared and awkward all the time, and couldn't even make a basic approach in a room full of women dying to meet him (something even an introvert needs to learn how to do). His conversational skills were particularly poor judging from the video - introverts don't need to speak much, but it helps that they sound good when they do. This ups the value of their word and build respect among those they interact with. Stern opened his mouth and just killed attraction.
These videos have made the reasoning behind the development of this story much clearer to me. The implosion of this relationship was inevitable.
Quote: (07-06-2014 02:25 AM)arribaperro Wrote:
Stern was a physical alpha and a mental beta. I agree that one can learn to increase one's confidence and dominance with game to a certain extent, but with time one's personality regresses to its natural state. It's like one has to constantly be on the lookout and on his toes to assert himself. That's a very tiresome state of mind to pursue and continue.
"If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."
Sun Tzu
Quote: (07-06-2014 04:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
There are so many guys who went from Omega to Alpha, that it is anything but a regression to a "natural" state. The first state was not natural anyway.
Quote: (07-06-2014 04:43 PM)arribaperro Wrote:
Quote: (07-06-2014 04:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
There are so many guys who went from Omega to Alpha, that it is anything but a regression to a "natural" state. The first state was not natural anyway.
I agree with you to a certain extent. You can move the needle enough when knowledge and practice becomes part of your working repertoire like training to gain muscle mass. If we can rank Beta to Alpha scale as 0 to 10, I can see a Natural 5 moving to a Practiced 7 or 8. Can a 1 move to a 10? I highly doubt it. Studies have shown that babies at birth exhibit certain personalities, such as being more introverted or extroverted. There is a degree of heritability in personality, just as there is a degree of heritability to intelligence.
http://www.parents.com/baby/development/...rsonality/
"There are people who are definitely introverted and people who are extroverted, and that is just the way they are. Introverts are not necessarily bad at social situations; they're just uncomfortable, and that's a definite biological, genetic thing," says Jen Meyers, coauthor of Raising Your Child."
With regards to Stern's model wife, she was the female equivalent of a Natural 10 on the Alpha scale.
Quote: (07-05-2014 01:09 PM)samsamsam Wrote:
Quote: (07-05-2014 12:46 PM)arribaperro Wrote:
As others mentioned these are pump and dump chicks. I wouldn't mind not marrying and getting that chick accidentally pregnant and paying child support. At the very least you might have an attractive offspring.
I understand you might have a beautiful child from one of these nutjobs, but don't you think a child in this situation is gonna be pretty fucked up?
Quote: (07-06-2014 09:37 PM)arribaperro Wrote:
Quote: (07-05-2014 01:09 PM)samsamsam Wrote:
Quote: (07-05-2014 12:46 PM)arribaperro Wrote:
As others mentioned these are pump and dump chicks. I wouldn't mind not marrying and getting that chick accidentally pregnant and paying child support. At the very least you might have an attractive offspring.
I understand you might have a beautiful child from one of these nutjobs, but don't you think a child in this situation is gonna be pretty fucked up?
If I get a woman like her pregnant, I will thump my chest like the king of the jungle because I will be fulfilling my evolutionarily determined genetic purpose.
As for the resulting child, you're being too negative on its prospects.
Quote: (07-06-2014 11:24 PM)arribaperro Wrote:
http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/25/katie-clea...-dicaprio/
"Andrew Stern -- the husband of "Deal or No Deal" showcase model Katie Cleary who committed suicide Sunday -- went on a downward spiral after undergoing hormone replacement therapy for his libido ... TMZ has learned.
TMZ broke the story ... Stern shot himself in the head at a San Fernando Valley firing range. Sources say he was deeply depressed, largely over the meltdown of his marriage.
Close friends of Andrew tell us ... 2 years ago he went to a Beverly Hills health and wellness center because he was feeling lethargic and had a waning libido. We're told the center gave him a kit, which included human growth hormones and testosterone. Both were injectables.
The friends say he started experiencing drastic mood swings and became extremely irritable. Andrew kept the regimen up for a year but couldn't take it anymore and stopped cold turkey.
We're told abruptly stopping such therapy is extremely dangerous and in Andrew's case he spiraled into a deep depression, which got much worse because his business failed and everything then took a toll on his marriage.
The friends tells us ... Andrew -- who filed for divorce in April -- went nuclear after seeing pics of his wife in Cannes, nuzzling up to Leo DiCaprio. Katie's rep says the pics didn't have an impact on Andrew, but his friends scoff and say it had a HUGE affect.
One friend tells us he spoke with Andrew the day before he killed himself -- Andrew said he was having "a tough day" but assured him he'd be OK."
Let's play devil's advocate. Two years before this incident in 2012, he started having erectile dysfunction. In 2012, she was age 30, him age 38. His ED treatments made him moody, irritable, and depressive, while his business was declining, eventually leading to failure. From her perspective, this is a pretty crappy position to be in.
Here is a woman who is still extremely beautiful with opportunities from her work to meet other successful men seeing that her husband was in trouble. At age 30, she knew her beauty would not last her much longer than a few years to other successful men. And really, as a model, her beauty is everything she had going for her. Was she to go down with the captain of the ship? Should she stay with a guy with a limp dick and failed business? Unfortunately, "for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health" are merely words repeated out of tradition. In reality, many women will run at the first sign of trouble if she still got the goods.