[Excelsior]

(07-16-2014 01:48 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Ms. Cleary may not be my type but even I can admit she looks damn good for her age. I would like to see how she looked 10 years ago (when she was in her prime) for a true rating.

21 years old in all of those videos (11 years back). She's 27 in the one below (5 years back):

[infowarrior1]

Dammit. At least when you are alive you can bounce back. You only get to live once.

[Jazzman92]

Not sure if you guys are aware, but she's a former playmate as well. I remember googling "Katie Cleary nude" way back in the day after I saw her on deal or no deal. I was a teenager... not gonna lie, busted some nuts.

I didn't post pics to keep this thread sfw but you could easily google "Katie Cleary playboy" and see them for yourself. They're not that impressive

[Barron]

(07-16-2014 09:51 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:48 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Ms. Cleary may not be my type but even I can admit she looks damn good for her age. I would like to see how she looked 10 years ago (when she was in her prime) for a true rating.

21 years old in all of those videos (11 years back). She's 27 in the one below (5 years back):

Thanks for these. She is definitely hotter when she was younger and before the implants but it's the same face that just makes me 'meh'

8.5 for me at 21 years of age, WB.

I think that's generous given that I'm a slavophile and IMO she really doesn't compare to the many dimes in the Slavic Beauty thread

[Beyond Borders]

Is she an 8.5? Is she a 9? 7 (lol)?

I have a better question - who gives a shit?

We've all been riding this horse long enough to know that men will never come to a consensus on this kind of thing. I do have an inkling that a lot of guys would change their tune if they had a shot at this woman in the flesh, but again, going on about it won't get us anywhere.

[Andhaira]

Sorry for bumping this but I came across something morbidly interesting.

Andrew Stern had apparently attempted suicide a few days after filing for divorce, months before his second successful attempt, but was prevented from doing so. He called his ex wife before making this attempt. Maybe he wanted to make her feel guilty for breaking up their marriage and causing him to go ballistic on himself?

Quote:

As the Daily News reported Wednesday, Stern's Sunday suicide wasn't his first visit to a shooting range with the intention of taking his life.

The troubled tech entrepreneur drove to the AIMHI Shooting Range near his parents' house in New Albany, Ohio, on April 17, just days after filing for divorce from "Deal or No Deal" model Cleary, a 911 call obtained by The News revealed.

His worried mom, Rozanne, made the emergency call saying her distraught son had threatened to kill himself either through carbon monoxide poisoning or at a gun range.

"I think my son has gone to the gun place in New Albany to shoot himself … he's threatening suicide," Stern's frightened mom told the dispatcher.
The 40-year-old tech businessman was in the process of divorcing his ‘Deal or No Deal’ model wife, Katie Cleary. James Lemke Jr/WireImage The 40-year-old tech businessman was in the process of divorcing his ‘Deal or No Deal’ model wife, Katie Cleary.

She said he took her convertible Toyota Solara while she was sleeping.

"He threatened two things: going to the shooting (range), and doing carbon monoxide. But he's not in the garage, so I'm not worried about the carbon monoxide," she said.

Cops responded to AIMHIGH and learned employees had turned him away, the recording confirmed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment...-1.1843775

Aside from the above, reports (link below) claim he was taking testosterone & HGH for 'libido'. I bet he was taking it to get ripped, either by being pushed by his wife or by himself, maybe because he thought it might make her like him more and not leave him? He stopped taking it due to mood swings, but either did not do a proper PCT or he just couldn't handle the hormonal changes in conjunction with his failing business and marriage. When the bitch left him finally he just spiraled downwards mentally rapidly.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1320070/katie-c...e-husband/

If there was ever an example of why one should never put the pussy on a pedestal, this is it.

[Sp5]

(01-23-2015 09:01 AM)Andhaira Wrote:  

Sorry for bumping this but I came across something morbidly interesting.

No reason to be sorry, this is not only morbidly interesting, but a good lesson or a cause for relief for us now that we know better.

His wife had him trapped in a prison of dependency, oneitis and probably some kind of emotional abuse.

[H1N1]

(01-23-2015 10:50 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 09:01 AM)Andhaira Wrote:  

Sorry for bumping this but I came across something morbidly interesting.

No reason to be sorry, this is not only morbidly interesting, but a good lesson or a cause for relief for us now that we know better.

His wife had him trapped in a prison of dependency, oneitis and probably some kind of emotional abuse.

To my mind, it's no good blaming the wife for having him 'trapped in a prison of dependency, oneitis and probably some kind of emotional abuse'. He was a grown man, who needed to take responsibility for himself and the choices he made throughout his relationship.

There's a lot on the manosphere, and on RoK recently, that seems to 'blame' women for being women, and be profoundly negative about them in general. Whilst there is no doubt that many of them are obsessed with the trivial and banal, in between their rides on the carousel, it seems pointless to me to rail against something that is, by definition, beyond our control.

If we accept that as men the world is ours to make of it what we will, that our lives and our talents are our own, to refine and channel to achieve whatever ends we wish for, then part of that must surely involve accountability for the things that go wrong.

In the case in question, I have no idea about the girl, whether she is a tramp or a saint (although I could probably safely guess). The point is, that as a good looking, talented, successful guy, he still failed to retain her. There's a lot of talk thrown around about 'hypergamy', but really what it seems to boil down to in my experience is that chicks will seek, where possible, to do better. It's not actually that different from men, except in the way they go about it, which is alien to us, and our idea of achieving through our own efforts. If you want to attract high quality (looks, personality, however you define it) women, and people in general, into your life as a man, then you need to ensure that you merit those relationships. There are plenty of girls, WITH HIGH QUALITY MEN, who would not jump into bed with diCaprio. They may see him as a high quality male, but would not trade the security, and genuine pleasure, of already being in a relationship with another top drawer bloke for a ride on Leo's dick. It's too simplistic to call her a whore for cheating. Especially as the dude she married has shown himself to be a little bitch, with his cry for help suicide attempt first time round, the passive aggression of which is unbecoming for any self-respecting man, and his ultimately successful efforts when he felt, despite his looks, talent and money, that he couldn't get his shit together. No sympathy for the guy, he seemed like a whiny little girl, don't blame her for being sick of it.

[talldarkandhairy]

She's no big deal guys. Personally I'm not keen on women with big strong jaws. I like the cute/kitten style of face.

In Ukraine, Sweden, the Baltics etc. she'd barely be worth gaming.

[talldarkandhairy]

I don't think DiCaprio ever got Doutzen Kroes, did he? There IS justice in the world!

I believe this discussion is largely redundant because people commit suicide for a huge variety of reasons, suggesting depression is the real cause and what actually happened was merely a trigger.

A forum such as this will of course pounce on a guy who kills himself over a bitch, whilst ignoring all the other triggers.

[Drazen]

I mentioned this in the thread about this incident, but she dated Greg Plitt, the model who got killed on the train tracks filming a commercial. Completely random, but she seems to attract tragedy.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-ne...ex-5000596

[Sp5]

(01-23-2015 11:30 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 10:50 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 09:01 AM)Andhaira Wrote:  

Sorry for bumping this but I came across something morbidly interesting.

No reason to be sorry, this is not only morbidly interesting, but a good lesson or a cause for relief for us now that we know better.

His wife had him trapped in a prison of dependency, oneitis and probably some kind of emotional abuse.

To my mind, it's no good blaming the wife for having him 'trapped in a prison of dependency, oneitis and probably some kind of emotional abuse'. He was a grown man, who needed to take responsibility for himself and the choices he made throughout his relationship.

There's a lot on the manosphere, and on RoK recently, that seems to 'blame' women for being women, and be profoundly negative about them in general. Whilst there is no doubt that many of them are obsessed with the trivial and banal, in between their rides on the carousel, it seems pointless to me to rail against something that is, by definition, beyond our control.

If we accept that as men the world is ours to make of it what we will, that our lives and our talents are our own, to refine and channel to achieve whatever ends we wish for, then part of that must surely involve accountability for the things that go wrong.

In the case in question, I have no idea about the girl, whether she is a tramp or a saint (although I could probably safely guess). The point is, that as a good looking, talented, successful guy, he still failed to retain her. There's a lot of talk thrown around about 'hypergamy', but really what it seems to boil down to in my experience is that chicks will seek, where possible, to do better. It's not actually that different from men, except in the way they go about it, which is alien to us, and our idea of achieving through our own efforts. If you want to attract high quality (looks, personality, however you define it) women, and people in general, into your life as a man, then you need to ensure that you merit those relationships. There are plenty of girls, WITH HIGH QUALITY MEN, who would not jump into bed with diCaprio. They may see him as a high quality male, but would not trade the security, and genuine pleasure, of already being in a relationship with another top drawer bloke for a ride on Leo's dick. It's too simplistic to call her a whore for cheating. Especially as the dude she married has shown himself to be a little bitch, with his cry for help suicide attempt first time round, the passive aggression of which is unbecoming for any self-respecting man, and his ultimately successful efforts when he felt, despite his looks, talent and money, that he couldn't get his shit together. No sympathy for the guy, he seemed like a whiny little girl, don't blame her for being sick of it.

It's easy to say that now that you're here on the forum and have taken the "red pill" and have some raised consciousness about the way things really are.

My point was that, yes, "we know better" now. But most guys do not. Those who do not might find this very thread to help them.

I don't know how old you are, but women that you've invested in can grind you down over time in a LTR and particularly a marriage with negativity, manipulation and abuse where they cause depression. Especially if the end of a marriage would cost you a lot. This guy was in his 40s; he really did not know how to deal with his wife, as you point out. But his whole upbringing and mindset was within the Matrix. He did not understand what was happening, maybe never read the word "hypergamy."

As has been said, game saves lives. If he had stumbled in his internet browsing upon RooshV, RVF, The Rational Male, Danger and Play, or Dalrock, for examples, he might be alive today.

[H1N1]

(01-23-2015 03:09 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 11:30 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 10:50 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 09:01 AM)Andhaira Wrote:  

Sorry for bumping this but I came across something morbidly interesting.

No reason to be sorry, this is not only morbidly interesting, but a good lesson or a cause for relief for us now that we know better.

His wife had him trapped in a prison of dependency, oneitis and probably some kind of emotional abuse.

To my mind, it's no good blaming the wife for having him 'trapped in a prison of dependency, oneitis and probably some kind of emotional abuse'. He was a grown man, who needed to take responsibility for himself and the choices he made throughout his relationship.

There's a lot on the manosphere, and on RoK recently, that seems to 'blame' women for being women, and be profoundly negative about them in general. Whilst there is no doubt that many of them are obsessed with the trivial and banal, in between their rides on the carousel, it seems pointless to me to rail against something that is, by definition, beyond our control.

If we accept that as men the world is ours to make of it what we will, that our lives and our talents are our own, to refine and channel to achieve whatever ends we wish for, then part of that must surely involve accountability for the things that go wrong.

In the case in question, I have no idea about the girl, whether she is a tramp or a saint (although I could probably safely guess). The point is, that as a good looking, talented, successful guy, he still failed to retain her. There's a lot of talk thrown around about 'hypergamy', but really what it seems to boil down to in my experience is that chicks will seek, where possible, to do better. It's not actually that different from men, except in the way they go about it, which is alien to us, and our idea of achieving through our own efforts. If you want to attract high quality (looks, personality, however you define it) women, and people in general, into your life as a man, then you need to ensure that you merit those relationships. There are plenty of girls, WITH HIGH QUALITY MEN, who would not jump into bed with diCaprio. They may see him as a high quality male, but would not trade the security, and genuine pleasure, of already being in a relationship with another top drawer bloke for a ride on Leo's dick. It's too simplistic to call her a whore for cheating. Especially as the dude she married has shown himself to be a little bitch, with his cry for help suicide attempt first time round, the passive aggression of which is unbecoming for any self-respecting man, and his ultimately successful efforts when he felt, despite his looks, talent and money, that he couldn't get his shit together. No sympathy for the guy, he seemed like a whiny little girl, don't blame her for being sick of it.

It's easy to say that now that you're here on the forum and have taken the "red pill" and have some raised consciousness about the way things really are.

My point was that, yes, "we know better" now. But most guys do not. Those who do not might find this very thread to help them.

I don't know how old you are, but women that you've invested in can grind you down over time in a LTR and particularly a marriage with negativity, manipulation and abuse where they cause depression. Especially if the end of a marriage would cost you a lot. This guy was in his 40s; he really did not know how to deal with his wife, as you point out. But his whole upbringing and mindset was within the Matrix. He did not understand what was happening, maybe never read the word "hypergamy."

As has been said, game saves lives. If he had stumbled in his internet browsing upon RooshV, RVF, The Rational Male, Danger and Play, or Dalrock, for examples, he might be alive today.

Fair enough. I actually held/came to most red pill knowlege on my own, as the result of a bat shit crazy ex gf, and a sense of complete dissatisfaction with how I handled myself, and how I let my natural behaviour/thought processes be changed and manipulated by this girl. It wasn't until several years later that I found this place, so I suppose my limited sympathy comes because I realised for myself, without a self help group, that 'frame'/your character was something that could not be compromised, for your own sense of self-worth, more than as a game concept for getting notches.

Essentially, whilst I recognise absolutely the emotional rollercoaster that girls can put you through, once you're a grown man you should know better, and be capable of/able to deal with some uncomfortable introspection. If you don't, then that's on you not the girl, in my view.