Quote: (09-25-2013 11:39 PM)TrueStory Wrote:  

Quote: (09-25-2013 05:51 PM)avantgarde Wrote:  

Dude, even you speak Russian and Ukrainian, know literature, it can still be hard.

I wouldn't say "hard". It's different. It's funny how most night clubs in Ukraine is full of HOT girls and ratio is favorable.

What can be challenging is day approach. I walk around the city and girls stare at me, when I open them, it takes some additional effort to break through the initial social apprehension.

If you think it's "hard" it will be hard; part of it is placebo effect. There are way harder places in United States compared to Ukraine. And by hard I mean, places difficult to get in, unrealistic ratio of men-to-women (in plain words - sausage fest), obnoxious amount of high status males, and intimidating staff. I do a lot of night approaches, so all my comparison is based on nightclubs and bars.

Where in Ukraine (speaking English, Russian, and Ukrainian) do you approach? Which city? Also, I noticed a lot of local guys have a bad frame of mind that all girls are after status and money. Без бабок нет телок. Whether it's true or not, I honestly don't care. I just know that it's not difficult to get them to sleep with you for fun.

In the USA, if you are kissing a girl you meet same night at a club, your odds of an SNL aren't that bad. In Ukraine, if you are kissing a girl you meet same night at a club, your odds of getting a date later are very high. But for getting an SNL, odds are not so great, for non-Russian speaking guy like me. I totally agree with what TrueStory says about ratios, most places in the USA are a sausage-fest compared to places like Radmir or Plazma in Harkov. That makes getting digits much easier.

Quote: (09-26-2013 08:07 AM)William Windsor Wrote:  

Quote: (09-25-2013 11:39 PM)TrueStory Wrote:  

Quote: (09-25-2013 05:51 PM)avantgarde Wrote:  

Dude, even you speak Russian and Ukrainian, know literature, it can still be hard.

I wouldn't say "hard". It's different. It's funny how most night clubs in Ukraine is full of HOT girls and ratio is favorable.

What can be challenging is day approach. I walk around the city and girls stare at me, when I open them, it takes some additional effort to break through the initial social apprehension.

If you think it's "hard" it will be hard; part of it is placebo effect. There are way harder places in United States compared to Ukraine. And by hard I mean, places difficult to get in, unrealistic ratio of men-to-women (in plain words - sausage fest), obnoxious amount of high status males, and intimidating staff. I do a lot of night approaches, so all my comparison is based on nightclubs and bars.

Where in Ukraine (speaking English, Russian, and Ukrainian) do you approach? Which city? Also, I noticed a lot of local guys have a bad frame of mind that all girls are after status and money. Без бабок нет телок. Whether it's true or not, I honestly don't care. I just know that it's not difficult to get them to sleep with you for fun.

In the USA, if you are kissing a girl you meet same night at a club, your odds of an SNL aren't that bad. In Ukraine, if you are kissing a girl you meet same night at a club, your odds of getting a date later are very high. But for getting an SNL, odds are not so great, for non-Russian speaking guy like me. I totally agree with what TrueStory says about ratios, most places in the USA are a sausage-fest compared to places like Radmir or Plazma in Harkov. That makes getting digits much easier.

I was actually at Plazma and Rodmir last week, also Galaktika is nice. However, the most girl-to-guy ratio was at Misto (which also happens to have a strip club in it). Anecdotal incidentsof UA same night pulls surpass US simply because there are more options to choose from. IF i walk into a club in South Beach (say Mansion or LIV) I am immediately against ridiculous amount of guys (successful and decent looking). I recall days when I would go to Delano and slam approach after approach, mostly interacting with tourist cougars and fall flat set after set. In college bars in Coconut Grove i would experience same results. However, in Ukraine, I hook almost immediatelly (considering i speak perfect russian and i do not have an accent. often girls are not even aware that I live in US).

Where are you guys doing same night pull to in Ukraine? ( i speculate girls are more afraid of being raped/kidnapped by a stranger than having a reputation of a whore/slut - which is the case in US.. We have high crime rates when it comes to kidnapping girls and sending them into prostitution in butt-fuck-middle east) so yeah.

Anyone ever tried cam girl game? I've been chatting with this chick from Odessa, and although I believe it would be a bit of a challenge to hit, she stated that she might be willing to meet up to practice her English.

So, I am going to play it cool.. make her laugh and tip well maybe once or twice a week. Who knows, maybe I could at least make a new friend that could give me the hook up on some nice Ukrainian tang.

It's cool to listen to her talk about the place, she's very honest, not mention the one of the sexiest girls naked I have ever seen.

I've managed to get banned and I'm somewhat negative about Ukraine FOR MYSELF right now because I'm both (1) Old (2) Picky.

If you're under 40 (about) I think you could still get stunning girls whose equivalent in the US would be unreal in demand.

Quote: (09-30-2013 10:42 PM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Anyone ever tried cam girl game? I've been chatting with this chick from Odessa, and although I believe it would be a bit of a challenge to hit, she stated that she might be willing to meet up to practice her English.

So, I am going to play it cool.. make her laugh and tip well maybe once or twice a week. Who knows, maybe I could at least make a new friend that could give me the hook up on some nice Ukrainian tang.

It's cool to listen to her talk about the place, she's very honest, not mention the one of the sexiest girls naked I have ever seen.

You're an idiot. Trust me I have a PhD in cam girl science.

Quote: (10-01-2013 01:07 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Quote: (09-30-2013 10:42 PM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Anyone ever tried cam girl game? I've been chatting with this chick from Odessa, and although I believe it would be a bit of a challenge to hit, she stated that she might be willing to meet up to practice her English.

So, I am going to play it cool.. make her laugh and tip well maybe once or twice a week. Who knows, maybe I could at least make a new friend that could give me the hook up on some nice Ukrainian tang.

It's cool to listen to her talk about the place, she's very honest, not mention the one of the sexiest girls naked I have ever seen.

You're an idiot. Trust me I have a PhD in cam girl science.

What the fuck... don't reply to me again.

Quote: (10-01-2013 01:00 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I've managed to get banned and I'm somewhat negative about Ukraine FOR MYSELF right now because I'm both (1) Old (2) Picky.

If you're under 40 (about) I think you could still get stunning girls whose equivalent in the US would be unreal in demand.

40 is the perfect age in Kyiv - I don't really know what you're talking about.

Quote: (10-01-2013 07:45 AM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2013 01:07 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Quote: (09-30-2013 10:42 PM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Anyone ever tried cam girl game? I've been chatting with this chick from Odessa, and although I believe it would be a bit of a challenge to hit, she stated that she might be willing to meet up to practice her English.

So, I am going to play it cool.. make her laugh and tip well maybe once or twice a week. Who knows, maybe I could at least make a new friend that could give me the hook up on some nice Ukrainian tang.

It's cool to listen to her talk about the place, she's very honest, not mention the one of the sexiest girls naked I have ever seen.

You're an idiot. Trust me I have a PhD in cam girl science.

What the fuck... don't reply to me again.

That was a brotherly love comment and not intended to be offensive to you. All I'm saying is that if you met a girl actually ON a camsite, 99.999999% chance you're already eliminated from ever convincing her to meet you and that your time is much better spent pursuing elsewhere. But hey, I'd love to see you make it happen so more power to you.

Quote: (10-01-2013 09:13 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2013 07:45 AM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2013 01:07 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Quote: (09-30-2013 10:42 PM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Anyone ever tried cam girl game? I've been chatting with this chick from Odessa, and although I believe it would be a bit of a challenge to hit, she stated that she might be willing to meet up to practice her English.

So, I am going to play it cool.. make her laugh and tip well maybe once or twice a week. Who knows, maybe I could at least make a new friend that could give me the hook up on some nice Ukrainian tang.

It's cool to listen to her talk about the place, she's very honest, not mention the one of the sexiest girls naked I have ever seen.

You're an idiot. Trust me I have a PhD in cam girl science.

What the fuck... don't reply to me again.

That was a brotherly love comment and not intended to be offensive to you. All I'm saying is that if you met a girl actually ON a camsite, 99.999999% chance you're already eliminated from ever convincing her to meet you and that your time is much better spent pursuing elsewhere. But hey, I'd love to see you make it happen so more power to you.

Untrue, if you're loaded, and you're one of their best clients, they will definitely meet up with you. I've heard a couple stories for other men and some from the cam girls themselves (obviously talking about "another" cam girl.)

"Bro," I have no idea who you are and of course I would take you calling me an idiot offensive. Ironically, you are the one that is misinformed here, "bro."

cbstogner, a question please. So this is paid? Or just someone you were chatting with? Just curious, thanks!

Quote: (10-01-2013 01:19 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

cbstogner, a question please. So this is paid? Or just someone you were chatting with? Just curious, thanks!

You can chat for free, or you can pay her to take her clothes off. If you don't tip though, she probably won't talk to you for very long.

I did start tipping her for a couple of reasons. 1) She was the hottest girl on the site and I wanted to see her naked. 2) Being a cam girl is illegal in Ukraine, so she wouldn't tell me which city she lived in, and with looks like that, I was desperate to find out. I tipped her $5 and she told me.

But what are you getting at? If I wanted to pay for sex, I would go to Amsterdam, which I have. I got really stinking drunk, paid for it, and had sex with one of the hottest girls I have ever seen in my life with a red light on. It was very romantic... hahah Also, don't sleep with prostitutes in Ukraine and especially in Kyiv... HIV galore!!!

Not getting at anything, I was just curious like my question said. Just curious. I have never done it. Just curious.

I was polite, I said please and everything. I know there is a lot I am not aware of, so I ask questions.

Thanks!

The fuck is this shit???????

   


Butter and salt. Nom nom nom.

Quote: (10-02-2013 10:40 AM)TrueStory Wrote:  

The fuck is this shit???????

I met a highly attractive woman from Odessa on a cam site and I'm going to try get in with her group of friends the next time I visit odessa. I don't know about you all, but I'm pretty confident that I can pull it off. But of course, I am always confident.

Creative pregaming... is that okay with you guys?

I don't think Olga likes you.

Quote: (10-02-2013 10:57 AM)Menace Wrote:  

I don't think Olga likes you.

ahahah yeah, she appears to believe her shiz don't stink.

Quote: (10-02-2013 11:03 AM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-02-2013 10:57 AM)Menace Wrote:  

I don't think Olga likes you.

ahahah yeah, she appears to believe her shiz don't stink.

Most girls don't when the have 1000's of beta orbiters bleating their love.

Quote: (10-02-2013 11:07 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (10-02-2013 11:03 AM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-02-2013 10:57 AM)Menace Wrote:  

I don't think Olga likes you.

ahahah yeah, she appears to believe her shiz don't stink.

Most girls don't when the have 1000's of beta orbiters bleating their love.

No doubt.

Quote: (10-02-2013 11:03 AM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-02-2013 10:57 AM)Menace Wrote:  

I don't think Olga likes you.

ahahah yeah, she appears to believe her shiz don't stink.

UA girls on FB? That's a surprise, the ones on FB seem to speak english more than the UAs on VK.

Have you tried VK? You can sort them out by "status" "age" "picutres" "college" and stuff.

Quote: (10-02-2013 11:49 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quote: (10-02-2013 11:03 AM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-02-2013 10:57 AM)Menace Wrote:  

I don't think Olga likes you.

ahahah yeah, she appears to believe her shiz don't stink.

UA girls on FB? That's a surprise, the ones on FB seem to speak english more than the UAs on VK.

Have you tried VK? You can sort them out by "status" "age" "picutres" "college" and stuff.

This is vk.com

Quote: (10-02-2013 11:50 AM)cbstogner Wrote:  

This is vk.com

Damn, I didn't realize that until I saw the little blue dot next to her name. VK's iOS app looks like FB's Android app, hence my confusion.

Carry on sir.

Quote: (09-20-2013 05:37 AM)TrueStory Wrote:  

I live in Miami, FL but visit Kharkiv, Ukraine often. I saw someone bitching on here how it's hard to get ONS in Ukraine... well it's not, but if you don't speak the language it might be challenging. I found that younger girls (in younger crowd club) are easier to pull. Most local guys chode-out when you approach their girls. Also consider going after older women, for ONS. I've seen high rate of infidelity with 25-30 year olds. My anecdotal experience might not be the same for everyone, but I am Ukrainian born and lived in the country until I was 13...maybe I understand Ukrainians culture better than tourists. The appearance of financial success is definitely a game changer. This should not be difficult for Americans considering exchange rates.

I know Roosh was disapproval of Kharkiv. One of his reasons was it's spread out (there isn't a central party location) and not too many people speak English. I agree, it's a bitch to hop cabs from club to club. But it's not expensive. Most cab rides are under 40 UAH ~ $10.
Language-wise, yes if you don't speak Russian you are not going to have a good time. But if you do, it's actually amazing. But not having too many girls speaking English is a good thing, you have less of obnoxious bro-chodes polluting the city for sex tourism.

For everyone thinking about coming to Kharkiv, the problem with most of you is that you've been brainwashed by american feminist movement. I was catching myself being indecisive, allowing women to lead, and not taking up on my masculine duties to be more aggressive. I observed this behavior with many Americans that travel here to "look for wife" or for sex tourism. Unfortunately, these guys are being played by women here, once the newly weds move to US, and bitch secures her green card, she immediately leaves the poor chode. I don't know statistics but anecdotal evidence are common.

Anywho, if anyone in Kharkov right now, hit me up via PM. I speak both Russian and English fluently and I can do Ukrainian as well.


I was actually at Plazma and Rodmir last week, also Galaktika is nice. However, the most girl-to-guy ratio was at Misto (which also happens to have a strip club in it). Anecdotal incidentsof UA same night pulls surpass US simply because there are more options to choose from. IF i walk into a club in South Beach (say Mansion or LIV) I am immediately against ridiculous amount of guys (successful and decent looking). I recall days when I would go to Delano and slam approach after approach, mostly interacting with tourist cougars and fall flat set after set. In college bars in Coconut Grove i would experience same results. However, in Ukraine, I hook almost immediatelly (considering i speak perfect russian and i do not have an accent. often girls are not even aware that I live in US).

Where are you guys doing same night pull to in Ukraine? ( i speculate girls are more afraid of being raped/kidnapped by a stranger than having a reputation of a whore/slut - which is the case in US.. We have high crime rates when it comes to kidnapping girls and sending them into prostitution in butt-fuck-middle east) so yeah.

TrueStory, there you go! It seems like we need to meet up together now. Finally Ukrainian-born American in my City. You are telling these guys some real truth on the dating game here in Ukraine. Being Ukrainian born player lets me giving some advice from my own perspective.

As for getting ONS in Ukraine - it super possible for you as long as you:
1. Are Direct. Don't be shy, tell this Ukrainian horses what you think about them, break their shyness, be as much direct as possible.
2. Handle conversation. Of course it's super possible for a Ukrainian guy with better then average looks get some quick poosy since there is a conversation flow that never happens between the native US speaker and Ukrainian chick that can't express what's on her mind propertly. Normally chicks can't do that in their own language, add language barrier to this one and you get lots of miscommunication between both parties. So, You better learn some Russian language. No needs to learn Ukrainian. I personally never use in my own life.
3. Can Get some car for rent (a.k.a. a poosy magnet in Ukraine). will cut off lots of the time between the meeting and the gang bang process. Make sure you got a nice brand European, Japanese car. You even can solve previous problem a lot (#2) with this one.
4. Get Young chicks(18-21) vs Old Chicks (28-30) - These are two categories that are super easy to get down. First ones are a bit stupid and naive, other ones are desperate about any good Mr. Cock in their ... you know. They will treat you like there is no other chance for them to left.
5. Lie to them. As much as possible. You can promise marriage after the BJ or whatever comes to your mind. Your goal is what's hidden under her belt.

TrueStory is right,
While being foreigner couldn't bring that much success in Kharkiv comparing to Kiev, being a native guy (Which does work in case of the TrueStory) makes Kharkiv a poosy paradise in the whole country. Trust me guys, I've been to the numerous cities. Kharkiv has one of the hottest ratio of chicks per 1 square feet I've ever seen in all the cities I've ever visited not even in Ukraine, but in the world. The reason is pretty simple, Kharkiv is a student's city, so many hotties are all over the place. After graduation, they don't want to come back home to their small cities, they want to stay in Kharkiv. That makes the city overall young all the year around and puts some atmosphere that no other city can deliver. Kiev does not have it. Kiev is full for the most part of the older people coming to the capital for their Ukrainian dream. However Kiev might work better for a foreigner since 90% of the young chicks are just chasing for a international pipe. He is also right about wife-mail-ordering system. Most chicks that keep it real, don't do it. The rest gold diggers play the games and leave the guy after she got what she need (GreenCard Status) for a bigger pocket guy once she is in US.

In terms of the clubs - Galaktika is bit of the trashy. Real Kharkiv clubs are there:
Panarama, Misto, Bolero, Radmir.
These 4 are the greatest, but based on the fact that chicks are everywhere in the city, you can have a luck in way cheaper clubs as well. Plazma is a good one too.

TrueStory, Let's meet up, Bro! I have a long story connecting me with USA, and seems like you are connected with Ukraine. Should be a decent click. Also, if there is any other players right now in the city, hit me up via PM. I am also thinking about releasing some tactics in one of the dedicated threads here at forum and will hang out with all the players coming to the Kharkiv to share some knowledge.

^ Thanks, bro!

I second that Galaktika is trashy lol

Haven't been to PAnarama, but i like Misto (the strip club inside adds a touch of class )

Also Radmir (Same owner as Misto) is my regular spot, my buddy goes there for free and we hit that place up like it's our business.

I am trying to put together a small group of cool guys and girls to hit up kharkov nightlife. Social circle is important and the fact that you show up with a group rather than 2 dudes def adds social value.

I PM'ed you, bulldog. And you are correct, nobody really speaks Ukrainian on this side of the river this isn't Lviv. hahahahah

Quote: (10-01-2013 01:18 PM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2013 09:13 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2013 07:45 AM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2013 01:07 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Quote: (09-30-2013 10:42 PM)cbstogner Wrote:  

Anyone ever tried cam girl game? I've been chatting with this chick from Odessa, and although I believe it would be a bit of a challenge to hit, she stated that she might be willing to meet up to practice her English.

So, I am going to play it cool.. make her laugh and tip well maybe once or twice a week. Who knows, maybe I could at least make a new friend that could give me the hook up on some nice Ukrainian tang.

It's cool to listen to her talk about the place, she's very honest, not mention the one of the sexiest girls naked I have ever seen.

You're an idiot. Trust me I have a PhD in cam girl science.

What the fuck... don't reply to me again.

That was a brotherly love comment and not intended to be offensive to you. All I'm saying is that if you met a girl actually ON a camsite, 99.999999% chance you're already eliminated from ever convincing her to meet you and that your time is much better spent pursuing elsewhere. But hey, I'd love to see you make it happen so more power to you.

Untrue, if you're loaded, and you're one of their best clients, they will definitely meet up with you. I've heard a couple stories for other men and some from the cam girls themselves (obviously talking about "another" cam girl.)

"Bro," I have no idea who you are and of course I would take you calling me an idiot offensive. Ironically, you are the one that is misinformed here, "bro."

My 'idiot' comment was taken the wrong way, so I understand your defense there, but otherwise we're just all interested in your thoughts/motivations for this.

I have dozens of cam girls phones numbers, skypes, emails. Many have offered to meet up with me. One Romanian girl seemed genuine when she offered to let me stay at her flat in Bucharest if I ever came to visit. Another girl in Ekaterinburg said she would hang out if I was there or she could come up to Moscow and visit me. Several others I've skyped with that didn't ask for money. Yet another one, Russian but living in Virginia now, wanted to fly to Atlanta on her own dime when I lived there to meet me and hang out. She calls me to chat on the phone and texts me pics regularly.

There are nice normal girls on these sites for sure. And I've spent an absolutely absurd amount of $ entertaining myself on these sites. That part I'm not necessarily proud of, but I was a top member on one of the sites for almost a year, that's how much I spent. And that's what translated into all these contacts I have.

So you're implying that you're going to have to drop big $$$ to prove you're "loaded" for price of admission, thus resulting in "best client" status. I wasn't saying don't do it, I was saying that it takes lots of time and money (most girls are very reluctant to have a personal chat in 'free' chat to a member and thus you have to pay them to talk or exchange info). Besides, they'll want to see you as well which requires paying them to have cam2cam.

The thing is though is that in my opinion it's not a good "investment" to put any time or money into under the expectation of actually meeting them. It may take thousands or tens of thousands (some of these girls make mad cash, I believe the top girls on lj were making about $400k/yr last I checked) to accomplish the 'prove your loaded' part, then it'll take having the right girl is even open to that, then she'll have to like you, then it'll have to work out with you being in her city at the right time, and on and on. I'd much prefer to go out and meet girls in my current city, for free. Could I meet some of these girls on my list? Yes, probably. Would it have been worth the investment? No.

Again, I my opinion if you want to fuck around on the site for fun, go for it. I personally got pretty addicted to it and had to call it quits. But I wouldn't go in with expectations or hopes to spend a little big and meet these girls. It's a bit like a strip club (and I've dated a stripper), but that fact that you are in the club usually disqualifies you or at least puts you in a category of men for the girls that you don't want to be in.

Also while I apologize for the "you're an idiot" comment, it still seems that you may have a problem with being defensive. Even further down this thread someone ask you about paying them and you responded defensively with "what are you getting at here?".

And what's with the "bros"...I didn't even say that. I said "brotherly love". Anyway.