[sonderho]

To elaborate has anyone chased a girl past the point of preserving ones dignity (eg. giving girls chances for second/third dates if she didn't let you kiss her on the first date, numerous restart texts, adding a girl on FB after she ignored your texts to show your social proof, following up with an apathetic girl) but managed to get the bang in the end?

Using one personal example, if a girl didn't respond to my restart text I write her off no worries but I'm wondering about making calculated allowances for hotter girls in a non-emotional way. Why would you want to go full alpha and willingly let go of a possibility if it takes you a few seconds to type a message that could lead to something? Cheers

[Beirut]

Many times. When I'm in my country I'm very quick to dismiss girls who give me a hard time but when I travel I relax about it.

When you're dealing with loose quickly made connections sometimes the girls need a lot of pushing.

On last trip to bucharest I met one girl the first day at a club then tried to get her out for ten days after that. She would randomly disappear or say she's busy blablabla. I was with another girl but kept lightly messaging her anyway. We end up going for coffee after ten days then she comes over my last night there (my last few hours there actually).

As long as I'm not feeling disrespected and I feel there's something there but she's hung up in her mind, it pays to push a bit. I have many other examples from this summer where a bit of persistence paid off.

[debeguiled]

It is totally up to you.

It is only bad if you are fixated on one woman and pushing because you have to have her.

Otherwise, it means nothing. If you are pushing with a bunch of girls by text, they may feel special, and that they got you, but the joke is on them because all you are doing is eating a muffin and messing around with your phone.

I find most relationships with females to have no intellectual content, they are only battles of wills. So, what she is thinking doesn't really matter because it is probably kooky anyway.

I used to read Krauser's blog, and he played a lot of long game, texting and Facebooking these girls for months before the bang. He seemed to enjoy it, the hunt itself, and it worked for him. I couldn't do that. I would rather not get the bang, and not have to spend 6 months texting a girl and telling her what kind of animal she reminded me of.

So if you enjoy persisting, you should do it, no matter the outcome, and if you don't you shouldn't. Some women will respond and some won't.

On a related note, I have had a couple of encounters where I persisted, got nowhere, and when I finally stopped, the roles reversed and she became aggressive.

I think this dynamic, sort of a puuuuuuuush, pull, might have some potential for someone who is in the field experimenting.

I think it worked because it was honest. I pushed for as long as I felt like pushing, and when I got tired of it, I quit. It was almost like the girl panicked and said to herself, oops, I went too far, now I have to show this guy I'm interested.

Finally, about dignity. You should never persist beyond the point of your own dignity. If you feel undignified, you should stop. However, if you really don't give a shit what she thinks, you lose no dignity by persisting. So it is okay.

Again though, it is totally up to you, up to what you enjoy doing. I wouldn't worry that much about what she thinks, since that changes from moment to moment anyway.

[griffinmill]

(09-24-2017 12:22 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I would rather not get the bang, and not have to spend 6 months texting a girl and telling her what kind of animal she reminded me of.

Ain't that the truth.

Too much interaction and communication with western women lacks any real intellectual depth, and trying to maintain long-game seduction is too fucking boring to be worth it.

[Repo]

One I got was from a Tinder date. She flaked on me once a couple hours before the date. I hit her up the next week and scheduled a Tuesday night date at 9pm. That night she texted me an hour before the date and said she would be 15 min late, as she was driving from a relatives house. 30 minutes after the date was scheduled I called her, and she said she would be there in 15. I had already driven 15 minutes to the location. So I said fine I'll, be there, but when I hung up started seeing what my other girls were up to, with intent to ditch her. No dice, so I stayed, she literally showed up an hour late. We had a couple drinks, left at midnight, walked her to her car then made out with her. I could feel her get weak when I choked her as I kissed her. Told her to come home with me. Slightly resisted, then agreed. Banged her all night then never saw her again. Found out later through a friend she had a boyfriend.

[kirdiesel]

I can't be bothered.

After a certain level of resistance its just easier to go to the club and get another girl. I will play ball as long as I see progress is made and heading toward the bang but if I see she doesn't value my time then forget it.

[scotian]

It happened to me with a fob Chinese girl in Canada, we had gone out twice and both dates went well but we didn't kiss, honestly I was having trouble reading this girl, my game is pretty weak with Asian girls but she was fun to hang out with anyway. Usually I would have nexted her but in this case I decided to go out with her again because I never dated a Chinese chick and wasn't sure how easy they were. So on the next date we had a couple of drinks and ended up at the ocean where I went for a kiss, she turned her cheek so I basically said "fuck this" and told her to get in the car. As we drove back to her place, I wasn't saying much and she probably sensed that I wasn't happy, when I dropped her off I said "later" then she turned around and kissed me. We started making out then she invited me in and I pounded the snot out of her.

[sonderho]

(09-24-2017 12:22 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

It is totally up to you.

It is only bad if you are fixated on one woman and pushing because you have to have her.

Otherwise, it means nothing. If you are pushing with a bunch of girls by text, they may feel special, and that they got you, but the joke is on them because all you are doing is eating a muffin and messing around with your phone.

I find most relationships with females to have no intellectual content, they are only battles of wills. So, what she is thinking doesn't really matter because it is probably kooky anyway.

I used to read Krauser's blog, and he played a lot of long game, texting and Facebooking these girls for months before the bang. He seemed to enjoy it, the hunt itself, and it worked for him. I couldn't do that. I would rather not get the bang, and not have to spend 6 months texting a girl and telling her what kind of animal she reminded me of.

So if you enjoy persisting, you should do it, no matter the outcome, and if you don't you shouldn't. Some women will respond and some won't.

On a related note, I have had a couple of encounters where I persisted, got nowhere, and when I finally stopped, the roles reversed and she became aggressive.

I think this dynamic, sort of a puuuuuuuush, pull, might have some potential for someone who is in the field experimenting.

I think it worked because it was honest. I pushed for as long as I felt like pushing, and when I got tired of it, I quit. It was almost like the girl panicked and said to herself, oops, I went too far, now I have to show this guy I'm interested.

Finally, about dignity. You should never persist beyond the point of your own dignity. If you feel undignified, you should stop. However, if you really don't give a shit what she thinks, you lose no dignity by persisting. So it is okay.

Again though, it is totally up to you, up to what you enjoy doing. I wouldn't worry that much about what she thinks, since that changes from moment to moment anyway.

Thanks man

Lmao this is gold, spluttering with laughter - "and not have to spend 6 months texting a girl and telling her what kind of animal she reminded me of." I actually use 'what spirit animal are you' as part of my date convo repertoire from time to time XD

"However, if you really don't give a shit what she thinks, you lose no dignity by persisting. So it is okay." Interesting point.

[sonderho]

(09-24-2017 03:19 PM)scotian Wrote:  

It happened to me with a fob Chinese girl in Canada, we had gone out twice and both dates went well but we didn't kiss, honestly I was having trouble reading this girl, my game is pretty weak with Asian girls but she was fun to hang out with anyway. Usually I would have nexted her but in this case I decided to go out with her again because I never dated a Chinese chick and wasn't sure how easy they were. So on the next date we had a couple of drinks and ended up at the ocean where I went for a kiss, she turned her cheek so I basically said "fuck this" and told her to get in the car. As we drove back to her place, I wasn't saying much and she probably sensed that I wasn't happy, when I dropped her off I said "later" then she turned around and kissed me. We started making out then she invited me in and I pounded the snot out of her.

respect for going out on a third date even though you've got no kisses on the first 2 dates. This gives me motivation. I'm in a similar situation with an Asian girl atm (fob). Ironically I'm Asian myself but I've never dated a fob asian either so am pushing for a third date out of curiousity.

[sonderho]

(09-24-2017 02:05 PM)Repo Wrote:  

One I got was from a Tinder date. She flaked on me once a couple hours before the date. I hit her up the next week and scheduled a Tuesday night date at 9pm. That night she texted me an hour before the date and said she would be 15 min late, as she was driving from a relatives house. 30 minutes after the date was scheduled I called her, and she said she would be there in 15. I had already driven 15 minutes to the location. So I said fine I'll, be there, but when I hung up started seeing what my other girls were up to, with intent to ditch her. No dice, so I stayed, she literally showed up an hour late. We had a couple drinks, left at midnight, walked her to her car then made out with her. I could feel her get weak when I choked her as I kissed her. Told her to come home with me. Slightly resisted, then agreed. Banged her all night then never saw her again. Found out later through a friend she had a boyfriend.

Staying chill and the choke kiss, one of my personal favs. Alpha as fuck.

[Kieran]

Yeah loads of times. Pretty girls are busy, just like we are. I don't take any 'rejection' personally. I've kept in contact with some girls with the odd group text here and there for almost a year before managing to get them out.

[Suits]

There are two girls that I pursued inconsistently for about a year each before getting the bang.

My strategy was not to regularly initiate contact, but spaced things out a few months at a time. If I met them and they resisted my efforts to escalate, I'd next them for a month or more and then try my luck again. Both were sluts who were starting to age out, so the strategy worked.

I finally convinced the first to stay the night and went full caveman. Banged her once that night after a ton of LMR and then again the next morning and after that she made sure never end up in a situation with me where sex could possible occur.

With the second, after I got the bang, we spent a two more nights together and then she tried to out alpha me by bringing three friends along when she met me for dinner. When I played it cool, but when she refused to come home with me that night and told me she'd come visit the next Monday, I waited till I was home and texted her that I was busy Monday (I wasn't and she knew it) and we'd have to find a different time. Never saw her again, although she drunk dialed me several times in the next six months.

Good riddance.

Neither cases were really worth it for the banging itself, but it was very satisfying to take away all power they previously held over me.

Both were the player type that tries to get as much attention as possible without every actually having sex.

#Noregrets

[XXL]

Usually the pattern was..

I pushed for it. No go. I let go any advances and focused on other girls but stayed in touch. Gamed her for my own selfish fun with zero outcome in mind. Then 1-3 weeks later the girl became responsive and eager.

[MaceTyrell]

^Testament to "good game" being process driven as opposed to outcome driven.

[TigerMandingo]

(09-25-2017 12:58 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Yeah loads of times. Pretty girls are busy, just like we are. I don't take any 'rejection' personally. I've kept in contact with some girls with the odd group text here and there for almost a year before managing to get them out.

Doing what? Updating their Instagram profiles?

[Suits]

(09-25-2017 09:01 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:58 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Yeah loads of times. Pretty girls are busy, just like we are. I don't take any 'rejection' personally. I've kept in contact with some girls with the odd group text here and there for almost a year before managing to get them out.

Doing what? Updating their Instagram profiles?

If being busy involves spending most of your time interacting with an iPhone, then yes, pretty girls are super busy.

[General Stalin]

This one time I tried setting up a date with this bitch on OKCupid and she flaked on me, tried 2 more times and she flaked on me both times. Ran into her profile again months later and re-opened her. Setup up a fourth date to come straight to my place. She actually showed up and we had porno-style sex. Ended up having her over one other time after that for another bang session then never saw her again. Was worth it.

[NY Digital]

I find with these girls, you do it for the bang, just to conquer that objective, however afterwards, you're left wondering why it took so long, and how you deserve better, so you just move on to the next one.

[Sam Malone]

Swiping Tinder one night a while back, spotted a chick's Snapchat name and added her (on SC). Swiped right but we never matched.

Ran some garden variety text game every few days over the next couple of months, found out she has a kid and is truly a single mom (Dad is nowhere around). I switched up to single dad game, and our schedules eventually matched up one night (well, that night my ex had the kids, her 2 year old was home, sleeping upstairs).

Knocked on the door, balls deep within five minutes. Banged her out a few more times at her place, only once was the kid not there (with her parents).

And she never knew my real name.

[Kid Twist]

(09-24-2017 12:22 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

If you are pushing with a bunch of girls by text, they may feel special, and that they got you, but the joke is on them because all you are doing is eating a muffin and messing around with your phone.

I find most relationships with females to have no intellectual content, they are only battles of wills. So, what she is thinking doesn't really matter because it is probably kooky anyway.

Even the ones that have potential still are swayed by a feminine brain, and yes, it gets kooky. Or they become so cerebral, the hamster drowns everything out, and poof! kooky again.

The only ones approaching normal are sweet girls who are young, not cynical, and don't care about killing the (female) competition. These will let you do the thinking, and you appreciate them, so you respect them and they, you. The problem is finding them.