[Mufasa]

(12-12-2016 06:43 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 02:31 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

Confession: I nutted in at least 4 girls. They were all on "birth control", but a few times I was worried enough to have to go out and buy plan B the next day. I must admit, once you start cumming inside them, it's really hard to stop. I get a primal kind of high when I cum inside.

Now that I'm married, I don't have to worry about it.

This really is a serious issue. It's very tough to go back to condoms when you've felt the high of the internal cumshot (read: the way sex was actually meant to be had). Takes a special kind of will and discipline to break out the rubber with girls when you've seen the other side. It's bad enough that, in some cases, I don't even deem the condomed sex worth it if the girl isn't above a certain level of attractiveness to me - sex with a condom is a big enough turn off that, if the girl isn't attractive enough to compensate, I'd almost prefer to just leave it be. Shit's just wack.

Live footage of Excelsior's internal struggle

I brought this up with my friends and they thought I was crazy. Im starting to stay in longer and longer before I come and I've been getting thoughts in my head to just spash-off inside of girls--especially like you said, the hot ones. Like Atlanta Man said, I plan on trying to use the mouth more often. Never done anal, suppose that could be an option as well.

[Secrenis]

(12-12-2016 08:51 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

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What, exactly, is normal and understandable about dating a woman for years and getting angry when she becomes pregnant?

Moreover, this dude is loaded, he can afford the child support (as unfair as percentage payments may be).

I feel zero sympathy for this rich dummy Arab, I bet he only got his position through Daddy's oil connections anyways.

LOZ, why don't you write us a eulogy for the tens of thousands of men who are broke and ordered to pay up child support they cannot afford? Or the guys sent to jail because there are no jobs and CS payments are extraordinary? Where is the sympathy for men whose lives are actually ruined? This guy is 29 with millions he's gonna be okay.

What led you to this conclusion?

A quick look on Linkedin shows what he's been doing for the past ten years.

• 18 - 21 : MIT Math grad (+econ minor). Graduated Phi Beta Kappa.
• 21 - 27 : Trader at D.E. Shaw.
• 27 - 28 (now) : Portfolio manager at Citadel.
  

A dumb person can't graduate Phi Beta Kappa from MIT (i.e. top 2% of class, roughly 4.8-5.0/5.0 GPA). Nor can they get a trading position at D.E. Shaw or
keep if for 6 years. Soooo we can conclude that:

• he is not dumb. In fact, he is obviously very intelligent and hard workign
• he kills what he eats : You can't bullshit your way through MIT or the trading floor. If you're good, you get compensated. If you're not, you get sacked.
• he has been consistently performing at high level for the past ten years. Fifteen to twenty if we include pre-MIT.
  

It's not clear to me why you think he's dumb or why you attribute his success to nepotism. All I see is a high performing individual, who has made one
good decision after another, suddenly making a mistake.

Sure he is going to be okay. He can overcome it. That said, I see no reason to admonish him or trivialize his experience. Ignoring the whole baby thing,
having your personal life plastered across the news is something I wouldn't wish on anyone. x100000 if you're rich or super successful.

[The Beast1]

I've got a low opinion of guys who spend multiple years dating women in their late 20s and into the 30s.

How stupid can they be? Of course women are looking to settle down at that age!

This woman was being treated like a wife for at least 2 and a half years. That clock was buzzing super loudly. I'm surprised we don't see this more often.

Seriously gents, don't date a woman in her early 30s for an excessively long amount of time and expect her NOT to pull something crazy like this especially if you have means.

He should have struck his luck on SA with girls who have something to lose (college/grad school).

And the way he fumbled after she told him the news. Egads what an idiot. Goes to show you the type of people that get pumped out from those institutions:

Knowledge heavy, wisdom poor.

That woman will go for a pound of flesh. Do the shutgun wedding and take care of the kid. I can only imagine how fucked he'll be in the head as he grows up.

[[email protected]]

I can sympathise a little for this Ted Cruz look-a-like. I've been in a situation, overseas, where I (28 at the time) nutted into an older woman (34) who was hotter than anything I've been with. This was back when I was starting out using game and had limited success. When this HB8.5 I met overseas, fell into my lap with minimal effort, offering sex I couldn't refuse. The first time I fucked her was with a condom. I remember being so nervous being with a women who was older/experienced/hot that I could barely get it up and my heart was pounding. I was able to pump for 30 minutes but could not orgasm. When she checked my condom and realised there was no ejaculate she was disappointed. I blamed the condom and she offered to let me raw dog it. Thoughts of disease and risk went out the window and I went into auto-pilot. I banged her 6 more times within the span of 2 weeks without a condom before I left the country and any problems have not followed since.

Lesson here, do not shit where you eat.

[Dr. Howard]

(12-13-2016 02:55 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I've got a low opinion of guys who spend multiple years dating women in their late 20s and into the 30s.

How stupid can they be? Of course women are looking to settle down at that age!

This woman was being treated like a wife for at least 2 and a half years. That clock was buzzing super loudly. I'm surprised we don't see this more often.

Seriously gents, don't date a woman in her early 30s for an excessively long amount of time and expect her NOT to pull something crazy like this especially if you have means.

He should have struck his luck on SA with girls who have something to lose (college/grad school).

And the way he fumbled after she told him the news. Egads what an idiot. Goes to show you the type of people that get pumped out from those institutions:

Knowledge heavy, wisdom poor.

That woman will go for a pound of flesh. Do the shutgun wedding and take care of the kid. I can only imagine how fucked he'll be in the head as he grows up.

100 percent agree that intelligence or book smarts do not equate to wisdom or street smarts.

I also agree that 28 to 39 is the woman danger zone. Bang above (cougars earning alimony/child support from the first marriage) or below (run of the mill young sluts) that zone. Women do crazy shit, but women in their 30s do REALLY crazy shit. These are the vehicle vandalizers, condom hole pokers and divorce rapers.

[mpr]

(12-11-2016 08:38 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The only unfortunate difference is that today's courts are almost entirely on the woman's side, by default. But at least he cannot be forced into a shotgun marriage, so that is something.

Fuck that! I'd pick an old man trying to force me into a 'shotgun marriage' over being raped by family courts any day. You could tell the father to "fuck off" if you are willing to bet that your reaction time and marksmanship skills are better the an old mans. As a gun nut that's a bet I'd take any day. Or you could just leave town, and move somewhere else. It was much harder to track people down before everyone's info was digitized and shared. Worse case scenario is that you have to marry the bitch. In which case she's basically your property.

[Paracelsus]

(12-13-2016 02:48 AM)Secrenis Wrote:  

A quick look on Linkedin shows what he's been doing for the past ten years.

• 18 - 21 : MIT Math grad (+econ minor). Graduated Phi Beta Kappa.
• 21 - 27 : Trader at D.E. Shaw.
• 27 - 28 (now) : Portfolio manager at Citadel.
  

A dumb person can't graduate Phi Beta Kappa from MIT (i.e. top 2% of class, roughly 4.8-5.0/5.0 GPA). Nor can they get a trading position at D.E. Shaw or
keep if for 6 years. Soooo we can conclude that:

• he is not dumb. In fact, he is obviously very intelligent and hard workign
• he kills what he eats : You can't bullshit your way through MIT or the trading floor. If you're good, you get compensated. If you're not, you get sacked.
• he has been consistently performing at high level for the past ten years. Fifteen to twenty if we include pre-MIT.
  

It's not clear to me why you think he's dumb or why you attribute his success to nepotism. All I see is a high performing individual, who has made one
good decision after another, suddenly making a mistake.

I'll admit he likely didn't get those positions on charm, but it does remain that you can be a high achiever in your job and still be utterly fucking clueless when it comes to women.

Bear in mind he's making the kind of mistake he would have seen and been warned about in his job for years. As you say, he kills what he eats: the trading floor is not exactly a SJW paradise, mainly because it's brutally results-oriented. The men there work hard (admittedly to little social purpose, but hey) and they tend to play hard too. He was only able to bag former models because his job allows him to move in those circles.

His problem was his approach. As armenia said further up: make your intentions clear from the start unless you want to get taken like this. This guy was playing the classic, old, high-resources-beta-provider method of keeping his mistress: keep stringing her along on a promise of eventual marriage -- eventual legitimacy.

I say it was the old approach because high-end, old-school mistresses valued discretion and ideally legitimacy more than money: producing a bastard was a guarantee of social exile and therefore the casting out from paradise, so they instead used the threat of revelation of the affair to the wife, and they were better at seducing husbands away from their wives, too.

Not so the unmarried thirtysomething in a society that doesn't care about legitimacy of birth or marriage, not in a society where the divorce rate hit or is still close to 50% and therefore every second person you meet is statistically likely to be a single parent or a child with only one parent in its life. Such women are unrestrained by social exile: there's plenty of well-off divorcees now, and the social set is wide enough that you can get by even if you're disinvited to certain parties in the Hampdens. There's no wife to complicate the picture and she has the state behind her.

But as said, if he'd paid attention during trading bull sessions anyone could have told him that. Someone of reasonable intellect in more than one area of his life would have appreciated the risks.

[Beirut]

No sympathy for either. Both shitty people.

[Samseau]

(12-13-2016 02:48 AM)Secrenis Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 08:51 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

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What, exactly, is normal and understandable about dating a woman for years and getting angry when she becomes pregnant?

Moreover, this dude is loaded, he can afford the child support (as unfair as percentage payments may be).

I feel zero sympathy for this rich dummy Arab, I bet he only got his position through Daddy's oil connections anyways.

LOZ, why don't you write us a eulogy for the tens of thousands of men who are broke and ordered to pay up child support they cannot afford? Or the guys sent to jail because there are no jobs and CS payments are extraordinary? Where is the sympathy for men whose lives are actually ruined? This guy is 29 with millions he's gonna be okay.

What led you to this conclusion?

A quick look on Linkedin shows what he's been doing for the past ten years.

• 18 - 21 : MIT Math grad (+econ minor). Graduated Phi Beta Kappa.
• 21 - 27 : Trader at D.E. Shaw.
• 27 - 28 (now) : Portfolio manager at Citadel.
  

A dumb person can't graduate Phi Beta Kappa from MIT (i.e. top 2% of class, roughly 4.8-5.0/5.0 GPA). Nor can they get a trading position at D.E. Shaw or
keep if for 6 years. Soooo we can conclude that:

• he is not dumb. In fact, he is obviously very intelligent and hard workign
• he kills what he eats : You can't bullshit your way through MIT or the trading floor. If you're good, you get compensated. If you're not, you get sacked.
• he has been consistently performing at high level for the past ten years. Fifteen to twenty if we include pre-MIT.
  

It's not clear to me why you think he's dumb or why you attribute his success to nepotism. All I see is a high performing individual, who has made one
good decision after another, suddenly making a mistake.

Sure he is going to be okay. He can overcome it. That said, I see no reason to admonish him or trivialize his experience. Ignoring the whole baby thing,
having your personal life plastered across the news is something I wouldn't wish on anyone. x100000 if you're rich or super successful.

Okay, he has natural talent. I was wrong on that bet. But he's still a moron, anyone who pays 75K to try and have their child murdered is barely human in my book.

[Gopnik]

The guy is a fucking idiot. This is not some random girl he fucked who he got pregnant, it was his long term gf. You don't date a girl for 2 years and introduce her to your parents unless you think she's quality gf/wife material (whether she actually is, that's a different matter).

He's got more than enough money to take good care of his kid without having to worry about anything and instead he tries to pull this off, he should have known better than that.

[augen sehen]

It's really epic levels of thirst that brings a man to have his folks meet a girl whom he isn't sure about, he probably wanted validation from his father for having a hot GF.

I guarantee you that he didn't think he could do better but got jolted out of his comfortable situation with the pregnancy announcement -- hence the long relationship, the vacations together -- they're all because he was comfortable with keeping the train chugging along, until he realized that the last station was coming up.

[Captainstabbin]

(12-11-2016 10:25 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 09:59 PM)Yatagan Wrote:  

Man, just imagine what this kid will go through once he learns that his dad offered 75K to abort him.

Mommy will be sure to tell him.

[fugly1000]

When you get a girl pregnant it puts your life in perspective. Lol. He wised up and saw this bitch aint shit. Time for him to transfer to Hong Kong or London. Exodus

[fugly1000]

Lol. I'm thinking it would be hilarious. If he sold everthing, put property into his parents or siblings name and did a career change. Maybe target or 7 eleven.

[mpr]

(12-14-2016 07:45 AM)fugly1000 Wrote:  

Lol. I'm thinking it would be hilarious. If he sold everthing, put property into his parents or siblings name and did a career change. Maybe target or 7 eleven.

That wouldn't help him. The judge would just "impute income". Which is the judge basically saying: 'You have the ability to earn $1,000,000 a year. So we're going to charge you child support based on that amount, and if you don't pay you go to prison.'

There are only two ways to completely avoid Child Support once you've been tagged with it, and not live like a bum. Assuming that you don't want to make your living in the underground economy.

1.) Leave America forever, move to a country that doesn't have a bi-lateral child support treaty, and never come back. Not for the death of your parents, not to see your family, not for any reason. Also by doing this you won't be able to put your assets in any financial institution that does business in the USA, work for any employer that does business in the USA, and you'll forfeiting any Social Security payments (that you payed into the system to get), and any pension payments you may have earned in the United States.

2.) Acquire foreign citizenship from a European country. Many people can do this through blood right if they're of: Greek, Italian, or Irish descent for example. Then do a legal name change in your European Country. Your paperwork over there isn't linked to your birth certificate and social security card here. As long as you make sure not to link your two identities they won't be able to track you down. You can live, work, and retire in the EU. As well as being able to visit the United States on a tourist visa for up to a year.

By choosing option 2 you also forfeit social security, and pension payments you may have earned in the USA. But it's a much more workable option. Of course if your ex ever finds you, and the country you're residing in has a bi-lateral child support treaty they can still tag you. But if you're using a completely separate identity that would be extremely difficult as long as you use common sense.

Of course everyone would have to put pen to paper to see if either of those options are financially worth pursuing.

[LikeABaller]

Edit:My bad wrong post

[XPQ22]

Quote:

Elmira Naymark, 32, a lithe, leggy brunette, met Ron Ozer through mutual friends in 2013 and the pair quickly hit it off, traveling the world during a
2¹/₂-year courtship.

Social circle game pays off!

(12-11-2016 06:59 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

8/10 WB

She bears an uncanny resemblance to an 8 from the suburbs I met earlier this year from OKCupid, but this chick is in her 30s.

She was stripped naked sucking me off in her apartment 4 hours after meeting her. My total cash outlay was a $23 bar tab and a bit of gas money. And a bit of game.

I didn't have to be a hedge-funder or do any natural gas deals or nothin'!

(12-13-2016 11:55 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

I'll admit he likely didn't get those positions on charm, but it does remain that you can be a high achiever in your job and still be utterly fucking clueless when it comes to women.

In some industries I'd say the two are very positively correlated. Tech, for example!

Quote:

His problem was his approach. As armenia said further up: make your intentions clear from the start unless you want to get taken like this. This guy was playing the classic, old, high-resources-beta-provider method of keeping his mistress: keep stringing her along on a promise of eventual marriage -- eventual legitimacy.

Running beta-provider game on 30-something hoes is a dangerous game. Be a lovable yet broke hustler! You should be hitting them up for money, not the reverse. Say you're poor! Imply you're poor (but next week it's the fries..) Some 30-something hoes won't give you the time of day, and that's just fine!

[XPQ22]

Partly in his defense though, it seems he might come from an ethnic background where it was expected that women would somehow do what was expected of them. Unfortunately, you were dealing with a 30-something American white woman...

Quote:

When she said she was keeping the baby, he seethed, “I f–king hate you,” calling her “white trash” and “disgusting,” according to a Manhattan Supreme Court lawsuit Naymark filed last week against Ozer.

Thanks a lot, asshole. This single mom was going to be my next Tinder date, and you've blown up her bitch shields. She's gonna want two dinner dates before sex now.

The irony is if I got her pregnant after this, she'd be off to the clinic before the words were even out of my mouth. I'd be like "So you know it probably wouldn't be the b..." and she'd already be in the car.

[WarMachine]

Oh boy, simpin' ain't easy.

[AlphaRN]

Maybe he could try a hail mary ``consent'' defense. Since this is the Consent Era, maybe he can sue her for using his sperm without consent.

[LikeABaller]

How come no one is giving credit to the girl? She lives on fucking welfare and managed to get pregnant by a hedge fund manager.
If I was a lawyer I'd be happy to represent her.
75k is a insult for a stupidity like this.
I'd ask for 1.5 million but settle for around 750k-1m.

[AlphaRN]

(12-14-2016 03:15 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

How come no one is giving credit to the girl? She lives on fucking welfare and managed to get pregnant by a hedge fund manager.
If I was a lawyer I'd be happy to represent her.
75k is a insult for a stupidity like this.
I'd ask for 1.5 million but settle for around 750k-1m.

Laying on your back and spreading your legs is not worthy of ``credit.''

[LikeABaller]

(12-14-2016 03:35 PM)AlphaRN Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:15 PM)LikeABaller Wrote:  

How come no one is giving credit to the girl? She lives on fucking welfare and managed to get pregnant by a hedge fund manager.
If I was a lawyer I'd be happy to represent her.
75k is a insult for a stupidity like this.
I'd ask for 1.5 million but settle for around 750k-1m.

Laying on your back and spreading your legs is not worthy of ``credit.''

Rawdogging a girl who is not even worth 1% of you are isn't smart either. Nature balances everything out in the long run.

[Socrates]

What would public perception of the situation be if he wanted to keep the baby and she wanted to abort? HER BODY HER CHOICE!

Obviously, that would never happen in a case like this where the dude is loaded. But it is an interesting thought. What if he offered her $75k to keep the baby? MONSTER!

[joehoya]

(12-12-2016 02:31 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

This guys' best bet may be to leave the country. He's looking at some very high child support payments for years...

NO WAY, He is making WAY to much money at Citadel to be worth leaving the country. There is VERY little chance that he will be able to find a job in another country that pays even half of what he is currently making. Remember, he is NOT some location independent entrepreneur. He is an employee. Even if he did find a comparable job in some other financial capital like London, the UK has a bilateral child support enforcement agreement with the US, so he will STILL have to pay.

Besides, even if child support payments are $10K per month, if he is making $500K -1 mill a year he is better off just biting the bullet and paying child support. It might hurt a little, but just charge the experience to the game and learn from it. Heck, maybe he could use the kid as a prop to run some Single Dad Game.