[Rap17]

The guy looked like roissy in first pic

[MongolianAbroad]

(12-11-2016 10:19 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Remember, too, that he will pay for his error -- a very normal, common, and understandable one -- with perhaps decades, fully 20 years at least, of financial hardship and the kind of constant, nagging hassle that drains a life's best juices more than almost anything else short of an outright catastrophe. 20 years of payment for an error like that is hardly just deserts; and it should not be written off too lightly. Imagine, for example, having to do a twenty year wagon because of one bad drinking night; wouldn't be too good, would it?

I think we should have plenty of sympathy for a life half-ruined by error.

Perhaps, but that life is the child who'll have to come up in this world knowing his father wanted to kill him and his mother had him out of wedlock.

On a less weighty note, everyone who chimed in on this this thread in agreement on the subject:

Am I the only guy here who doesn't care about anal?

Should have this thread as required reading.

To be fair, pulling out works pretty well for some guys, but let's be real, not every guy has the discipline for it.

[CRR]

From the article:

She claims Ozer hasn’t given her a dime — despite doing $60 million in a single business deal last year — forcing her to go on Medicaid and food stamps.

   

[jackal62]

He didn't have the sack to have a conversation about the baby face to face. He sent a colleague to do it.

[Kona]

Did he net 60 mil on one deal or was he just involved in one worth that much?

If he made that much, than offering her 75K was a stupid move. He should have offered way more. Of course she was going for a big payout, so why low ball like that when so much is at stake? 75k is a slap in the face to that bitch.

Aloha!

[Barron]

It would be interesting if the mother said that she was going to keep the baby but had no intention of roping the father along for any type of financial obligation.

I've known a couple women who got knocked up from guys that had no intention of becoming fathers. When they decided to keep the baby and informed the father of their decision while saying he had no obligation, financial or otherwise, to take part in the child's life, in both cases the father came around and offered monthly financial support. One of the fathers even sees his child on weekends, and maintains a good relationship with the mother, no courts involved.

It's amazing how things can turn out Ok when women take responsibility for their actions and mother & father stay on each other's team even if they don't end up married.
Unfortunately the majority of American women become inhuman when they see the potential for a payday.

[LikeABaller]

(12-12-2016 12:16 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Unfortunately the majority of women become inhuman when they see the potential for a payday.

Fixed.

[HOD]

The biggest red flag: She is 32

Which equates to, beta box hunting mode and $$$$$$$.

A western woman in her 30's who is single, comes fully equip with an uncanny understanding of western divorce laws, to high level manipulation game; where lies, victim card to guilt trip game is fully master and utilize on an easy prey, i.e. the western beta box man.

If you find yourself in front of a 32 year old, beware of the beta box trap. r

Also, the only time the number 32 is a good situation, is when it's on your basketball jersey.

[CynicalContrarian]

Yep.
Never married?
No kids?
28y/o & up?
Female?

That clock is pounding inside her subconscious.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

He's an idiot for "courting" a used-up "model" 3 years older than him, no matter how hot, and an even bigger idiot for trying to convince her to abort in this hamfisted way. You'd think that a guy whose work relies so much on social connections would have better people skills, even without any game training.

[WalterBlack]

(12-11-2016 06:31 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

That's two different guys. The guy in photo 2 is Vikram Chatwal.

[brick tamland]

Let's not forget that he gave her a certain impression during the 2-and-a-half-years. He introduced her to his parents and to probably his entire social circle, took her on trips etc.She thought he would marry her, because this doesn't sound 100% opportunistic, or else she would have gotten pregnant much sooner. It's still opportunistic though.
We have a decent understanding of how women think - as a model, by age 32 she'd probably dated some very wealthy men, real alphas and had been given the best of everything by various men. In comes a well-to-do career guy whose life looks pretty sorted out for a 29 year old, who ends up looking very attractive as someone to settle down with. With her biological clock ticking, seems the guy more or less walked into a 'trap' if I can call it that. She figured she couldn't allow herself to become a 35 year old or a 38 year old spinster. Time was running out, but she didn't get the happy ending (marriage), at least not from him. Her finances are about to improve though.
Women are born with 'game'.

[Atlanta Man]

As a rule fellas, if you come in her mouth and make her swallow she will not get pregnant. The more you know....

[Samseau]

(12-11-2016 09:52 PM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 08:38 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

First, this is a classic grim tale. I feel bad for this dude and he deserves more sympathy than he's gotten. He's still young and has done really well for himself; but he will now have to pony up **tens of millions** of hard earned hedge dollars to this, truly, no-better-than-she-should-be slut. Sucks for him. That kind of permanent drain on your income really takes the wind out of your natural gas hedge fund sails.

Second, to Excelsior: this has little to do with the depredations of today's society, such as they are. A female getting herself pregnant by an eligible male to tie him down and/or shake him down for money is almost literally the oldest story in the book, it's older than the hills. You've read "Jude the Obscure", just to take a random example from the classics; and there are countless others. The fact that a young and up-and-coming man does not wish to be tied down with woman and child too soon -- and that the woman uses her wiles to get him to impregnate her and secure his support -- both of these are the most natural things in the world. The only unfortunate difference is that today's courts are almost entirely on the woman's side, by default. But at least he cannot be forced into a shotgun marriage, so that is something.

TLOZ: Of course I agree with the second half of your post above -- this is nothing new under the sun -- but I fail to see how this dude deserves even the meagerest drop of sympathy. After all, no one held a loaded gun to his head and forced him into a nearly three-year "courtship" of this worthless aging white bitch.

As you rightly note, she is a "no-better-than-she-should-be slut." This dude by rights ought to have been in the habit of merely summoning this slattern to his penthouse and then quickly dismissing her just as soon as he filled her mouth and ass (but not cunt) to his heart's content. That is all. But no -- he traveled the world with her and introduced her to his parents. FLOL!

If he had stepped off a curb and been clobbered by a moving truck, believe me I would have the deepest sympathy for him; yes, I might even weep for him. But given the facts, he deserves -- and receives -- no sympathy from me. No way, Jose! How about Hosea 8:7 -- For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk; the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.

He sowed his seed into the windy cavern of this strumpet's twat -- now let him reap the whirlwind of financial rape at the hands of the Unites States "justice" system.

Completely agree. When you treat a woman like your wife, don't be surprised when she wants to have your baby. No one can blame a woman for wanting to be a woman.

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TJ, you just have to look at his exquisitely normal hedge mug, savor the money-making moniker Ron Ozer, and remember that the guy is just 29; and then give him credit for having closed some serious money deals at that young age. One hates to see an up-and-coming dude hamstrung so early.

Remember, too, that he will pay for his error -- a very normal, common, and understandable one -- with perhaps decades, fully 20 years at least, of financial hardship and the kind of constant, nagging hassle that drains a life's best juices more than almost anything else short of an outright catastrophe. 20 years of payment for an error like that is hardly just deserts; and it should not be written off too lightly. Imagine, for example, having to do a twenty year wagon because of one bad drinking night; wouldn't be too good, would it?

I think we should have plenty of sympathy for a life half-ruined by error.

What, exactly, is normal and understandable about dating a woman for years and getting angry when she becomes pregnant?

Moreover, this dude is loaded, he can afford the child support (as unfair as percentage payments may be).

I feel zero sympathy for this rich dummy Arab, I bet he only got his position through Daddy's oil connections anyways.

LOZ, why don't you write us a eulogy for the tens of thousands of men who are broke and ordered to pay up child support they cannot afford? Or the guys sent to jail because there are no jobs and CS payments are extraordinary? Where is the sympathy for men whose lives are actually ruined? This guy is 29 with millions he's gonna be okay.

[PolymathGuru]

And on the next episode of Murray,

"The Paternity test shows for (x) age baby, Mr. Moneybags, you are the father of Gold Digger's Child. You dumped your assets onto her and now your stuck in a liquidity trap."

[Irenicus]

(12-11-2016 09:59 PM)Yatagan Wrote:  

Man, just imagine what this kid will go through once he learns that his dad offered 75K to abort him.

[Easy_C]

(12-12-2016 04:48 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

He's an idiot for "courting" a used-up "model" 3 years older than him, no matter how hot, and an even bigger idiot for trying to convince her to abort in this hamfisted way. You'd think that a guy whose work relies so much on social connections would have better people skills, even without any game training.

You'd be surprised. While your typical trader is very much a redpill, working class personality your average investment banker type is a bluepill SWPL. Remember that a lot of these guys are the type who seriously think that having a "prestigious" job and money will make women more attracted to them....a ludicrous proposition given that your typical PUA lair would have guys who bank 300k+ a year in a low COL city and still couldn't get laid(not a hypothetical, I have a name in mind).

[armenia4ever]

This guys' best bet may be to leave the country. He's looking at some very high child support payments for years. The interesting thing is here is that I think she tried to force him to marry her and make good on his, "One day I will surprise you."

He probably never wanted to marry her, but now that his is happening and he lost frame in the way he tried to address the problems, she's going to try to get him for everything he is worth. Hell hath no fury like a woman - who is pregnant- that is scorned. She's gonna use the sympathy factor to her advantage as well.

Lesson to be learned: Always be clear with women about your intentions. If they aren't on the same page, dump them. Not worth the risk.

Confession: I nutted in at least 4 girls. They were all on "birth control", but a few times I was worried enough to have to go out and buy plan B the next day. I must admit, once you start cumming inside them, it's really hard to stop. I get a primal kind of high when I cum inside.

Now that I'm married, I don't have to worry about it.

[Menace]

Under NY law if a couple is not married, an Order of Filiation needs to be made in order to legally declare him the child's father. In this case, I assume he will not admit paternity, so the woman will file the order to name him as the father. The court will order a DNA/paternity test. If he's not the father, he's off the hook. If he is the father, then he has to pay child support.

The issue for him is because he makes a lot of money, the judge has a lot of discretion on how much to award. I'm sure he can afford to hire a good attorney to get a reasonable support order entered. As long as it doesn't appear to the judge that he's trying to nickel and dime her, my guess is that he can probably get away with paying $2k-$4k per month (just ball park). For someone of his means, this is not a huge amount of money and it hardly means his life is ruined.

[Atlanta Man]

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[Atlanta Man]

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Under NY law if a couple is not married, an Order of Filiation needs to be made in order to legally declare him the child's father. In this case, I assume he will not admit paternity, so the woman will file the order to name him as the father. The court will order a DNA/paternity test. If he's not the father, he's off the hook. If he is the father, then he has to pay child support.

The issue for him is because he makes a lot of money, the judge has a lot of discretion on how much to award. I'm sure he can afford to hire a good attorney to get a reasonable support order entered. As long as it doesn't appear to the judge that he's trying to nickel and dime her, my guess is that he can probably get away with paying $2k-$4k per month (just ball park). For someone of his means, this is not a huge amount of money and it hardly means his life is ruined.

He needs to put all of his assets and money into a trust on the Cook Islands and shield his assets aggressively. The chick is over thirty and probably made sure it was him that got her pregnant so he should be in damage mitigation mode.I am not sympathetic to her, but using at a "best interest of the child" analysis if I was the judge he would be paying at least 8-10 grand a month. Imagine how a sympathetic judge may rule....

[joost]

No woman aborts a baby from a rich guy. Ever.

[rpg]

Never trust a woman with birth control no matter what she says. Know her monthly cycle like the back of your hand. You should feel her cramps before she does.

[Excelsior]

(12-12-2016 02:31 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

Confession: I nutted in at least 4 girls. They were all on "birth control", but a few times I was worried enough to have to go out and buy plan B the next day. I must admit, once you start cumming inside them, it's really hard to stop. I get a primal kind of high when I cum inside.

Now that I'm married, I don't have to worry about it.

This really is a serious issue. It's very tough to go back to condoms when you've felt the high of the internal cumshot (read: the way sex was actually meant to be had). Takes a special kind of will and discipline to break out the rubber with girls when you've seen the other side. It's bad enough that, in some cases, I don't even deem the condomed sex worth it if the girl isn't above a certain level of attractiveness to me - sex with a condom is a big enough turn off that, if the girl isn't attractive enough to compensate, I'd almost prefer to just leave it be. Shit's just wack.

Not hard to see how so many guys fuck things up when the chance to go raw in a girl who is very attractive to them appears. Takes an iron will to talk oneself off that ledge. This guy probably didn't have that will and, in all likelihood, probably had never kept a woman this attractive before (32 or not, she was still a model and does look the part). That only makes it harder.

I'll add this: The problem this dude had is not dissimilar to that of a lot of young, upwardly mobile guys whose pasts were relatively nerdy and probably devoid of much sexual success. Using my favored automobile analogy (the girls are the cars; crude, I know, but useful for purely illustrative purposes): This is a dude whose relatively nerdy, gameless past probably included driving the equivalent of 20 year old hyundais, 15 year old camrys, and maybe the occasional certified pre-owned 2-4 year old Acura (the best he could do, and then only rarely).

This chick is a Ferrari. Not a new Ferrari (def certified pre-owned, 3-4 years old at least), but still a Ferrari. It looks great, its fun to be with, and it costs a ton (both to acquire AND to maintain). He's never gotten close to the driver's seat of a car like that before because he couldn't - young, nerdy dudes who are either in school or just establishing themselves don't have the sexual market value to get Ferrari in the sexual marketplace and generally couldn't afford the cost even if they did. Established hedge funders approaching 30 do. As soon as the opportunity came, he jumped enthusiastically. The Ferrari got the better of him, though, because although he had the resources to get it, he (like many others) didn't really know how to properly maintain and drive it.

[AneroidOcean]

(12-11-2016 08:58 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  

His best bet is hire a very good lawyer and hope that either the kid isn't his or that the judge awards her a low monthly child support payment.
I don't know the laws but if he only has a child with her and didn't live with her for a long period of time or marry her she's only entitled to child support.
Plus there's no way a judge would award her anything over $10,000 a month let alone $75,000.

Women on the whole will regret this type of shit when they pass laws allowing men to give up parental rights if he doesn't want the kid/baby trapped by a girl.
They are looking to make this a law in Ontario.

If the man makes enough it's possible for her to get child support well into 5 figures a month if she manages to litigate in a different state or if they manage to successfully get sole custody and show that she needs a place to live (pretty f'ing expensive in New York). Consider this example:

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Scenario 5: 18 year old free spirit/music lover; no marriage


An 18-year-old woman goes to a music festival and meets a 38-year-old medical doctor earning $275,000 per year. Things get a little crazy and a few months later she calls him up to say "I am going to have a baby." The 18-year-old does not go to college, quits her $12/hour job during the pregnancy, and does not wish to return to work.


Kepanis handles roughly two cases per year like this. "The Court will not hear a case until the baby shows up. Unless he goes to court, she will have custody. But if she wants child support she will need to go court. She is best off waiting a couple of months before filing suit because then she can establish a pattern of caregiving and therefore obtain certain custody. The only thing the man can do is contest paternity."


Does that mean she is giving up 2-3 months of child support in order to guarantee victory? "No. She will get all of her back expenses and child support."


Kepanis commented on the scenario's premise that the mother does not wish to return to work: "Well, who does?"


The mother here will collect roughly $50,000 per year in child support. As noted in the California chapter, women who get pregnant by a high-income man in New York may obtain a substantial financial benefit by flying to California to deliver the baby into the jurisdiction of California courts, where there is no cap on the amount of income used to calculate child support. However, this may require some artful legal footwork to serve the New Yorker when he is in California. It would be simpler if the pregnancy had occurred during a weekend trip to Los Angeles.


What if the mother gets married at 25 to a man earning $100,000 per year? "Child support is based purely on the paying parent's income. It does not matter that she remarries. This mother could grow up into a Goldman Sachs partner and her.child support would not be reduced."


Bottom line: "Get a vasectomy if you're a male investment banker in New York."