[Thrill Jackson]

(11-13-2016 08:13 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:55 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 11:25 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

Wake the fuck up. We were this close to total catastrophe just a few days ago, due primarily to demographic transformation. Now is the time to be kicking as many foreigners out as possible, by hook or by crook if necessary. Deport them if they're illegals. Cancel their visas if they're here on a temporary basis but on a track to permanent status and eventual citizenship/voting. Pay the ones who have green cards already to relinquish them and GTFO whence they came. We may not be able to avert eventual minority status and the inevitable oppression that will follow once that status is reached, but we can at least try and delay it as long as possible.

But for fucks sake don't make it easier for them to get in here. When the Johnny Come Lately 's vote themselves your house, your paycheck, and your wife, are you really gonna be relieved that at least they put themselves in that position "legally?"

WTF?? I myself used to be an immigrant and came to the United States as it was a beacon of freedom and opportunity. I did everything by the book, went through the immigration process, hired attorneys, paid a shitload of money, and waited, and waited, and waited. Eventually I got my green card and a few years later I was elated to get the opportunity to become an American citizen. I NEVER took a dime from social services and contributed from day one.

I am back in Europe now but if I had a choice I would give up my first passport in order to keep my American one, especially now that Trump has taken office. I love America and I want to see it succeed. Although I can understand your anger I would suggest that we don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

I'm an immigrant too. But I get the sentiment. For many Americans, it isn't so much about doing it by the book or not, it's about demographics. Immigration isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it needs to happen slowly, with enough time for the migrating population to assimilate to a point of no distinction. Over the span of decades, if not centuries, you ideally get people who are fully assimilated.

Demographics in the United States is a real concern (and I say this as an Indian man). Ann Coulter mentioned this might be the last time Republicans are voted into the White House. The harsh reality is that the US needs to drastically decrease immigration. I look at my 2nd generation Indian American friends and they are a threat to the United States. I've said this in other threads, but in our blind desire to be American we've adopted the easy path to Americanization: anyone can be an American, regardless of beliefs, customs, religion or other important aspects of a healthy nationhood. The hard path (which would take a few generations) is complete assimilation with no loyalty or connection to the motherland.

Immigrants and their children vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party. There are parts of the alt-right clamoring to strip every post-1965 immigrant and their descendants of US citizenship. I think that might go too far. But the underlying premise is accurate: the multiculturism and tribalism we're seeing due to an enormous amount of immigration in the United States are not going to bode well for the nation. A healthy nation needs a strong national cultural (and religious) identity. You can't have that with every fucking minority in the US holding on dearly to its ancestral culture.

In Obama's America that would be the case. But now that Trump is elected our country will slowly but surely start to have a nationalist additude. The left has been exposed this election. Immigrants are not going to side with a party who undervalues their hard work to be apart of this nation. Regardless of their race,religon,etc.

[kbell]

One problem is that I think there will be protests, riots and dishonest media around where the wall is being constructed. And after its finished I wouldn't be surprised if people try to destroy the wall.

[Sidney Crosby]

I don't see why so many people are against the wall, 10-20 billion isn't not that much money. Even if they don't think it is necessary now, what about 10,20 or even 50 years down the line? There may be some epic migration similar to what is happening in Europe right now. I'd rather keep the rats out of the kitchen then worrying about killing them once they get in.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-13-2016 09:17 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Constructing a physical wall will be extremely costly and time consuming, and might very well be fought legally by constituents of both parties for a long, long time.

It's the 21st century, for probably about 1/10th the cost you could launch an invasion fleet of "security satellites" to monitor every inch of the border on all relevant wavelengths, down to 1 meter resolution. Someone crosses, some machine-learning algorithm detects it, then you go pick 'em up. It might have, I don't know, 75% of the effectiveness of a physical one.

But what could opponents do, sue you on environmental protection arguments for launching satellites?

If you're concerned about the other team re-purposing them for nefarious purposes, just build 'em so they can't have their orbits or field of view modified. Sorry! And if you don't think some future liberal administration won't quietly keep them around once they're up and running, well, I think you're kidding yourself.

Sure. They'll keep them running and do nothing about the border jumpers they detect, because that's the whole point. To brown-wash the electorate with low income welfare dependant Mexicans that will vote Democrat until the end of time.

The wall is a wall. To reduce its effectiveness they would literally have to destroy it, which would be political suicide.

[nomadbrah]

(11-12-2016 11:25 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 09:00 PM)ivansirko Wrote:  

Even with Trump I will believe it when it see it. The Government has promised but not delivered so often. Even if its metaphorically (and works well) i will believe it when i see it. It would be nice to be surprised in a positive way from Washington and the White House for a change.

I would firmly accept enforcing current immigration law and removing the ass-holiness in acquiring a green card for those legally in the country. That would include deporting those illegally in the country. I know people who have guided through the process of legally staying in the US and its not fun.

NO! The point of the Wall and of immigration restriction in general is to reduce the number of foreigners entering and staying in the country, thus preserving it for those to whom it belongs, the current citizens.


I don't give a fuck if the foreigners present in the USA are present because they waltzed in across an undefended border or because they received a magic green-ticket given out in copious volume that allowed them to get in "legally." It is their presence on my property, not the route by which they arrived, that makes the demographic difference.

Wake the fuck up. We were this close to total catastrophe just a few days ago, due primarily to demographic transformation. Now is the time to be kicking as many foreigners out as possible, by hook or by crook if necessary. Deport them if they're illegals. Cancel their visas if they're here on a temporary basis but on a track to permanent status and eventual citizenship/voting. Pay the ones who have green cards already to relinquish them and GTFO whence they came. We may not be able to avert eventual minority status and the inevitable oppression that will follow once that status is reached, but we can at least try and delay it as long as possible.

But for fucks sake don't make it easier for them to get in here. When the Johnny Come Lately 's vote themselves your house, your paycheck, and your wife, are you really gonna be relieved that at least they put themselves in that position "legally?"

I agree entirely. I give zero fucks if arabs and turks have been in Europe for 2 or 3 generations, they don't belong there, they were imported as an invading force and they need to go back. I believe we're on our path to the recognition of Europe for Europeans.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Look, having read the rest of the posts regarding immigration and based on my long attention to this topic in general I can say with some certainty the following:

Patriotic Americans are now "woke".
The globalist elite are on the cusp of tipping the electorate irrevocably.
The next four years will determine whether there is an America or simply a place where the US used to be.
If America is not preserved via democracy then expect secession followed by globalist-backed wars.

The solution will have to be multi-pronged:

Build the wall.
Aggressive deportation (who gives a fuck about "optics" when you're literally deporting Dem votes)
End to all immigration (until the US can get this shit straight and break the back of the globalists)
An end to free and easy welfare to entice moochers to go the fuck home.
Business-ending fines for so much as talking to an illegal in a whisper.
Free flights out for self reported illegals to a place of choice.
Balls to the wall persecution of sanctuary cities (again, Dem votes so fuck optics).
Cash bonuses for left wing dickheads to make good on their promise to leave.

Sounds politically unviable? Well it's literally the rock and the hard place here. You get to do things the hard way or kiss your country goodbye.

p.s. Try to remember that the vast majority of our opinions of "what will fly" politically have been proven to be old-media generated propaganda. Trump won, and it follows that Trump will keep winning by doing what he promised to do.

[Vicious]

More mixed messages, in Sunday's CBS news interview Trump was talking about "fences" in certain places.

[roberto]

(11-13-2016 04:40 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

I don't see why so many people are against the wall, 10-20 billion isn't not that much money. Even if they don't think it is necessary now, what about 10,20 or even 50 years down the line? There may be some epic migration similar to what is happening in Europe right now. I'd rather keep the rats out of the kitchen then worrying about killing them once they get in.

As someone who has currently got rats under the kitchen, I wholeheartedly endorse this post.

I've got my guys pulling up the floorboards today. It's a lot of fucking effort.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^You too? Shee-it. I rousted the bastards early winter and had to resort to poison for the first time ever. But this winter has dragged out so long the next generation is making a move on the Casa del Leonard.

Possibly the worst part is finding out the sheer amount of rodent shit you live within mere inches of, never realising until those surfaces get peeled back.

[Genghis Khan]

(11-13-2016 10:19 AM)Agastya Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 08:13 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

I'm an immigrant too. But I get the sentiment. For many Americans, it isn't so much about doing it by the book or not, it's about demographics. Immigration isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it needs to happen slowly, with enough time for the migrating population to assimilate to a point of no distinction. Over the span of decades, if not centuries, you ideally get people who are fully assimilated.

Demographics in the United States is a real concern (and I say this as an Indian man). Ann Coulter mentioned this might be the last time Republicans are voted into the White House. The harsh reality is that the US needs to drastically decrease immigration. I look at my 2nd generation Indian American friends and they are a threat to the United States. I've said this in other threads, but in our blind desire to be American we've adopted the easy path to Americanization: anyone can be an American, regardless of beliefs, customs, religion or other important aspects of a healthy nationhood. The hard path (which would take a few generations) is complete assimilation with no loyalty or connection to the motherland.

Immigrants and their children vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party. There are parts of the alt-right clamoring to strip every post-1965 immigrant and their descendants of US citizenship. I think that might go too far. But the underlying premise is accurate: the multiculturism and tribalism we're seeing due to an enormous amount of immigration in the United States are not going to bode well for the nation. A healthy nation needs a strong national cultural (and religious) identity. You can't have that with every fucking minority in the US holding on dearly to its ancestral culture.

I disagree with parts of what you said. For example, I don't think that there's anything wrong with immigrants holding on to some aspects of their parent culture. I'm Indian-American, I love listening to Indian music and reading about Indian history. My best childhood friends are other Indian-Americans, our parents are all successful computer engineers, we generally live pretty healthy lives and do right by the laws of the country. I don't think second-generation immigrants are America's main cultural flaw at the moment, it's the proliferation of third-wave feminism and political correctness coupled with the breakdown of the family.

I completely agree, however, that we need to scale back the number of immigrants that America accepts at the moment.

I'm curious, why do you think that your Indian friends are harmful to the U.S? Is it because of any innate cultural characteristics, or is it because they're libtards? I'd understand where you're coming from its the latter, but then that's because they're libtards, not because they come from an immigrant background.

We can talk about this in detail over PM. But in short: most of our Indian-American friends are libtards because they come from an immigrant background. You cannot separate the two (80% of immigrants and their children vote D).

[DaveR]

Another major issue is US citizenship law. Birthright citizenship (hence anchor babies) has to go... Only the US and Canada follow that system. Just about every other country grants citizenship only to the children of green card holders and citizens. Everyone else has to go through the naturalisation process.

[Sidney Crosby]

(11-14-2016 01:28 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

Another major issue is US citizenship law. Birthright citizenship (hence anchor babies) has to go... Only the US and Canada follow that system. Just about every other country grants citizenship only to the children of green card holders and citizens. Everyone else has to go through the naturalisation process.

I agree, it's pretty common actually for pregnant Chinese woman to "visit" Canada, overstay their visa and pop out a baby while living in a luxury house with other Chinese woman, fully equipped with medical equipment and nurses.

[polar]

1) get immigrants to assimilate prior to naturalization
2) end birthright citizenship
3) points-based system with preference for highly skilled (or highly fertile!) and those capable of self-sustaining, rather than minimum-wage earners who will impose external costs on the taxpayers. Extra taxes pre-naturalization or else $X in escrow with Uncle Sam (to account for welfare risk to taxpayers) may make sense.
4) better screening for security risks
5) deport criminals
6) a remittance tax might be worthwhile to reduce labor migration (but likely unfeasible)
7) enforce existing laws!

Even immigrants who start out voting Dem can turn in favor of GOP. But they first need to see an advantage in it, and it might not happen in the first generation.

[Latinopan]

[LeoneVolpe]

^ That literally made me laugh out loud.

Seriously, I'm a little perplexed as to why so many feel it's "impossible" to build a big fucking wall. Seems others have accomplished a similar feat a long time ago, and without the aid of modern technology...

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[Samseau]

(11-13-2016 02:41 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:55 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 11:25 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

Wake the fuck up. We were this close to total catastrophe just a few days ago, due primarily to demographic transformation. Now is the time to be kicking as many foreigners out as possible, by hook or by crook if necessary. Deport them if they're illegals. Cancel their visas if they're here on a temporary basis but on a track to permanent status and eventual citizenship/voting. Pay the ones who have green cards already to relinquish them and GTFO whence they came. We may not be able to avert eventual minority status and the inevitable oppression that will follow once that status is reached, but we can at least try and delay it as long as possible.

But for fucks sake don't make it easier for them to get in here. When the Johnny Come Lately 's vote themselves your house, your paycheck, and your wife, are you really gonna be relieved that at least they put themselves in that position "legally?"

WTF?? I myself used to be an immigrant and came to the United States as it was a beacon of freedom and opportunity. I did everything by the book, went through the immigration process, hired attorneys, paid a shitload of money, and waited, and waited, and waited. Eventually I got my green card and a few years later I was elated to get the opportunity to become an American citizen. I NEVER took a dime from social services and contributed from day one.

I had been under the impression that we were talking about illegal immigration and not about legal immigration. You guys have no idea how difficult LEGAL immigration actually is. I still have the stack of documents that I had to fill out during my naturalization process - it was extensive. FBI check, health screening including HIV test, financial references, personal references, family records, etc. etc. etc. It's not like I walked across the border and was handed a green card, folks. All in all the entire process took me one decade, and I'm a European which obviously gave me certain cultural/educational advantages.

I am back in Europe now but if I had a choice I would give up my first passport in order to keep my American one, especially now that Trump has taken office. I love America and I want to see it succeed. Although I can understand your anger I would suggest that we don't throw out the baby with the bath water. There is nothing wrong at all with LEGAL CONTROLLED immigration. After all you yourself probably would appreciate being able to legally live and work in other nations at some point in your life.

BTW, I don't have any problem with anyone who abides by the law, works hard, pays taxes, no matter which skin color or origin. In the case of Muslims each applicant would have to prove beyond doubt that they do not believe in Sharia law and that the civil laws of the United States are the superior and only laws permitted in our nation. Any Muslims found to practice Sharia law in any way would face instant deportation.

FWIW I am very disappointed to see his comment being upvoted by several RVF members several of who I had come to appreciate and respect over the past few years. If this forum is turning into the second coming of the Nazi party** however then I may probably just take my leave.

** Apologies - poor choice of words. But I'll let it stand for full disclosure - my point is that we don't want to push into extremes in all the excitement.

I don't have time so I'm going to be as reductionist with my reply as possible:

We are clinging on to a demographic balance that is rapidly slipping away from us, with dire and easily foreseeable consequences. All immigration, whether legal or illegal, aids and abets the enemy because better than 80% of our "new citizens" will join the left. They will tip the demographic balance by voting with the rest of the coalition of the fringes to disenfranchise and destroy the current majority of the country.

It's just logic. Of course I'm going to be opposed to immigration, of all kind, when I know that for every friend I'm importing I'm bringing in 4 future enemies who want to vote themselves my shit because privilege. The math just doesn't work out.

And for what it's worth, I myself immigrated to the USA and am a dual citizen. But I can put aside my own personal biases and look at the world from an objective perspective. And objectively speaking, there is no fucking way in which immigration, legal or illegal, is a good thing for the majority of citizens of today's USA.

If all immigrants are bad then why did Trump get 30% of the Latino vote?

The legal ones voted Trump.

Immigration is fine as long as there are stringent assimilation standards that are rigorously enforced.

That said, until the unemployment rate goes down, you are correct Fast Eddie, stop immigration, kick out as many illegals as possible, and clean up the USA.

[WeekendCasanova]

(11-14-2016 11:42 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

^ That literally made me laugh out loud.

Seriously, I'm a little perplexed as to why so many feel it's "impossible" to build a big fucking wall. Seems others have accomplished a similar feat a long time ago, and without the aid of modern technology...

But if you dissented back then, you'd have your head chopped off. Now, people can 'protest', create 'petitions', assault police officers all in the name of leftists rhetoric, and apparently not face any consequences.

We live in a different time.

[Fast Eddie]

(11-16-2016 10:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 02:41 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

I don't have time so I'm going to be as reductionist with my reply as possible:

We are clinging on to a demographic balance that is rapidly slipping away from us, with dire and easily foreseeable consequences. All immigration, whether legal or illegal, aids and abets the enemy because better than 80% of our "new citizens" will join the left. They will tip the demographic balance by voting with the rest of the coalition of the fringes to disenfranchise and destroy the current majority of the country.

It's just logic. Of course I'm going to be opposed to immigration, of all kind, when I know that for every friend I'm importing I'm bringing in 4 future enemies who want to vote themselves my shit because privilege. The math just doesn't work out.

And for what it's worth, I myself immigrated to the USA and am a dual citizen. But I can put aside my own personal biases and look at the world from an objective perspective. And objectively speaking, there is no fucking way in which immigration, legal or illegal, is a good thing for the majority of citizens of today's USA.

If all immigrants are bad then why did Trump get 30% of the Latino vote?

The legal ones voted Trump.

Immigration is fine as long as there are stringent assimilation standards that are rigorously enforced.

I am confused as to why you brought up Trump getting 30% of the Latino vote as evidence that I am wrong about immigration being bad.

That is precisely my point. Trump got 30% of the Latino vote. Meaning the rabid left got 70% of the Latino vote. Meaning that if it were up to Latinos, Trump would have suffered a crushing defeat by a ludicrous 40% margin (in comparison, the largest actual defeat in USA presidential history is a mere 26% margin by James Cox in 1920).

So why didn't Trump lose? Because whites are still 70% of the electorate, and they voted 60-40% for Trump. Every other racial group in the country voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. So please explain how diluting the one and only racial group in this country that doesn't vote Democrat by racial groups that consistently and massively do is anything but a recipe for catastrophe?

(Addendum: the 30% of "Latinos" who vote Republican are almost exclusively the white Cubans in Florida and the old stock Spaniards in the Southwest who have been part of the USA from the time of the Mexican-American war, and those two groups are like land in that "they're not making any more of those." The Latinos who got here in recent waves of immigration and who continue to immigrate I guarantee you vote for Democrats at African American rates)

[Bill Brasky]

Trump needs to completely stay out of abortion and gay politics. His entire presidency will need to focus on immigration and the future demographics of the country. Normally, when a president steps into office on the first day, the first thing on their mind is reelection. Trump needs to behave from day 1 as if this is his final term.

Here is what his entire presidency needs to revolve around:

1. Build a wall to stop illegal immigration.
2. Deport ALL illegal immigrants.
3. Significantly reduce legal immigration and change the countries of origin.
4. Finally, and most importantly, using all of his might to end, once and for all, birthright citizenship.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^ You forgot the sanctuary cities. He needs to cut off federal funding to all programs that benefit illegal aliens in these cities.

Also, he needs to constantly and strenuously refer to them as illegal foreigners or similar, because this "undocumented immigrant" shit has got to stop. It's flat out Orwellian newspeak and it needs to be scotched at the highest level.

[Fortis]

Doubtful that we'll see a wall. Furthermore, why not just go after the people who enable illegal immigration: companies that pay illegals under the table.

[Samseau]

(11-17-2016 02:05 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 10:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 02:41 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

I don't have time so I'm going to be as reductionist with my reply as possible:

We are clinging on to a demographic balance that is rapidly slipping away from us, with dire and easily foreseeable consequences. All immigration, whether legal or illegal, aids and abets the enemy because better than 80% of our "new citizens" will join the left. They will tip the demographic balance by voting with the rest of the coalition of the fringes to disenfranchise and destroy the current majority of the country.

It's just logic. Of course I'm going to be opposed to immigration, of all kind, when I know that for every friend I'm importing I'm bringing in 4 future enemies who want to vote themselves my shit because privilege. The math just doesn't work out.

And for what it's worth, I myself immigrated to the USA and am a dual citizen. But I can put aside my own personal biases and look at the world from an objective perspective. And objectively speaking, there is no fucking way in which immigration, legal or illegal, is a good thing for the majority of citizens of today's USA.

If all immigrants are bad then why did Trump get 30% of the Latino vote?

The legal ones voted Trump.

Immigration is fine as long as there are stringent assimilation standards that are rigorously enforced.

I am confused as to why you brought up Trump getting 30% of the Latino vote as evidence that I am wrong about immigration being bad.

That is precisely my point. Trump got 30% of the Latino vote. Meaning the rabid left got 70% of the Latino vote. Meaning that if it were up to Latinos, Trump would have suffered a crushing defeat by a ludicrous 40% margin (in comparison, the largest actual defeat in USA presidential history is a mere 26% margin by James Cox in 1920).

So why didn't Trump lose? Because whites are still 70% of the electorate, and they voted 60-40% for Trump. Every other racial group in the country voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. So please explain how diluting the one and only racial group in this country that doesn't vote Democrat by racial groups that consistently and massively do is anything but a recipe for catastrophe?

(Addendum: the 30% of "Latinos" who vote Republican are almost exclusively the white Cubans in Florida and the old stock Spaniards in the Southwest who have been part of the USA from the time of the Mexican-American war, and those two groups are like land in that "they're not making any more of those." The Latinos who got here in recent waves of immigration and who continue to immigrate I guarantee you vote for Democrats at African American rates)

You failed to read between the lines: take away illegal aliens voting and the Latino vote would be around 50-50.

It is true that politics is downstream from culture, but culture is also downstream from politics. Change the politics of how people enter this country and you'll change how they vote (they'll vote for parties that favor responsibility, honor, and dedication to their Neighbors instead of bilking the system so they can expand Mexican territory).

[kazz]

I think Donald just spat that out without thinking, but words are powerful things and people know what he means whether a wall gets built or not.
I think if common sense prevails building a wall just would not work, criminals would just find a way to go over, under or through it. If there was a wall I would envision it being perhaps not a physical wall at all but something using technology im not sure exists. Something like in Mission Impossible Rouge nation where the guy walks through is scanned.

If its a know criminal a drone comes and busts some caps.

[Phoenix]

(11-21-2016 09:10 AM)kazz Wrote:  

I think if common sense prevails building a wall just would not work, criminals would just find a way to go over, under or through it. If there was a wall I would envision it being perhaps not a physical wall at all but something using technology im not sure exists.

Oh really?? That sucks... what a shame!

[weambulance]

For fuck's sake.

Nobody thinks the wall will be a panacea. Besides the fact that it will, in fact, make it quite a bit harder to cross the border without getting caught, it will also serve as a symbol and as a clear physical delineation of our sovereign boundaries. It is also something that the next faggot-ass Democrat in power can't just turn off with the stroke of a pen.

Any one of those reasons is enough for me to want the wall built.