[budoslavic]

Build the fucking wall. Period.

President-elect Trump will make sure that the right people will get the job done because he can't stand incompetency and stupidity. Let's not forget that the man has balls.

As for illegal immigrants/aliens in America, three things rubbed us off the wrong way over the years:

1. Moochers - GTFO or get a job.


2. People who refuse to assimilate - learn English, you lazy morons.


3. Flag burners - freedom isn't free, you little shits.


As a second generation American, my ancestors legally immigrated to America in the early 1900's from an old Eastern Slavic region that I won't name. They did everything by the book back then to become American citizens: learned English, followed America's laws and values, worked, paid taxes, bought a house, etc. We still keep and maintain our old Eastern Slavic heritage, culture, history and traditional values to honor our ancestors, but we also have very strong patriotic American values because of my deceased family members (father & four uncles) that served and fought in WWII for our freedom.

[iknowexactly]

(11-13-2016 08:13 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 07:55 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 11:25 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

I'm an immigrant too. .... I say this as an Indian man... I look at my 2nd generation Indian American friends and they are a threat to the United States.

Why do you think that? I work in health care and know lots of smart Indians, granted they're elite ( medical doctors/nurses) they're Hindu or Sikh-- so aren't toxically evangelical, seem (like most immigrants from poor countries) highly focused on saving/making money, don't seem to be prone at all to violence which is the worst thing an immigrant can bring with them ( Honor killings, "justified" rape due to revealing female clothing etc.) Indians have the highest percentage of millionaires now in the country from what I've read. The more novelty-seeking daughters are getting curious too with each generation, though I think it will take a long time until they are really into white guys.

Obviously you can "read" subtexts of ethnically similar people more than I can as a European background guy. Wait, is that liberal to think that?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-21-2016 03:39 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

For fuck's sake.

Nobody thinks the wall will be a panacea. Besides the fact that it will, in fact, make it quite a bit harder to cross the border without getting caught, it will also serve as a symbol and as a clear physical delineation of our sovereign boundaries. It is also something that the next faggot-ass Democrat in power can't just turn off with the stroke of a pen.

Any one of those reasons is enough for me to want the wall built.

Amen.

Satellites: Yeah, but people will just dig longer tunnels.
ID systems: Yeah, but people will just up their identity theft game.
Drones: Yeah, but people will just use lined thermal blankets to mask their body signatures.
Deportation: Yeah, but people will just come back.

So, sorry. Apparently there's no point to doing any of these things because "people will just".

Build. The. Wall.

[Last Parade]

Making the rounds on the_donald: real or fake? I want to believe the former!



RAPID BUILD

[budoslavic]

I'll just leave this here as it's another reason why the wall needs to be built.

[Fast Eddie]

(11-21-2016 07:02 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-17-2016 02:05 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 10:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 02:41 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

I don't have time so I'm going to be as reductionist with my reply as possible:

We are clinging on to a demographic balance that is rapidly slipping away from us, with dire and easily foreseeable consequences. All immigration, whether legal or illegal, aids and abets the enemy because better than 80% of our "new citizens" will join the left. They will tip the demographic balance by voting with the rest of the coalition of the fringes to disenfranchise and destroy the current majority of the country.

It's just logic. Of course I'm going to be opposed to immigration, of all kind, when I know that for every friend I'm importing I'm bringing in 4 future enemies who want to vote themselves my shit because privilege. The math just doesn't work out.

And for what it's worth, I myself immigrated to the USA and am a dual citizen. But I can put aside my own personal biases and look at the world from an objective perspective. And objectively speaking, there is no fucking way in which immigration, legal or illegal, is a good thing for the majority of citizens of today's USA.

If all immigrants are bad then why did Trump get 30% of the Latino vote?

The legal ones voted Trump.

Immigration is fine as long as there are stringent assimilation standards that are rigorously enforced.

I am confused as to why you brought up Trump getting 30% of the Latino vote as evidence that I am wrong about immigration being bad.

That is precisely my point. Trump got 30% of the Latino vote. Meaning the rabid left got 70% of the Latino vote. Meaning that if it were up to Latinos, Trump would have suffered a crushing defeat by a ludicrous 40% margin (in comparison, the largest actual defeat in USA presidential history is a mere 26% margin by James Cox in 1920).

So why didn't Trump lose? Because whites are still 70% of the electorate, and they voted 60-40% for Trump. Every other racial group in the country voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. So please explain how diluting the one and only racial group in this country that doesn't vote Democrat by racial groups that consistently and massively do is anything but a recipe for catastrophe?

(Addendum: the 30% of "Latinos" who vote Republican are almost exclusively the white Cubans in Florida and the old stock Spaniards in the Southwest who have been part of the USA from the time of the Mexican-American war, and those two groups are like land in that "they're not making any more of those." The Latinos who got here in recent waves of immigration and who continue to immigrate I guarantee you vote for Democrats at African American rates)

You failed to read between the lines: take away illegal aliens voting and the Latino vote would be around 50-50.

It is true that politics is downstream from culture, but culture is also downstream from politics. Change the politics of how people enter this country and you'll change how they vote (they'll vote for parties that favor responsibility, honor, and dedication to their Neighbors instead of bilking the system so they can expand Mexican territory).

That's a preposterous claim that would require some pretty dramatic evidence, which I'm sure you don't have.

[Samseau]

^ Don't worry, we're going to find out real soon once the deportations start. My claim is based on the idea that at least "officially" 11 million illegals are here, which means it's probably closer to 20 million (because of Obama admin math). Simple statistical sampling indicates that if 1 out of 4 or 1 out of 5 of those illegals are voting (or their kids), then out of the 15 million or so latino votes at least 20-25% of the votes do not belong.

About 15 million latinos voted in 2016: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monk...-research/

Roughly 20-30% of the Latinos voted for Trump (30% in Florida), which is 3-4.5 million votes. That brings the remainder of those who voted against Trump down to 10.5-12 million votes. Take away the illegal 20-25% out of this and you get 8-9 million legitimate votes against Trump.

3-4.5 against 8-9 means without illegals, the voter breakdown of R v D = 37.5-50%.

[Latinopan]

(11-24-2016 08:19 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

^ Don't worry, we're going to find out real soon once the deportations start. My claim is based on the idea that at least "officially" 11 million illegals are here, which means it's probably closer to 20 million (because of Obama admin math). Simple statistical sampling indicates that if 1 out of 4 or 1 out of 5 of those illegals are voting (or their kids), then out of the 15 million or so latino votes at least 20-25% of the votes do not belong.

About 15 million latinos voted in 2016: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monk...-research/

Roughly 20-30% of the Latinos voted for Trump (30% in Florida), which is 3-4.5 million votes. That brings the remainder of those who voted against Trump down to 10.5-12 million votes. Take away the illegal 20-25% out of this and you get 8-9 million legitimate votes against Trump.

3-4.5 against 8-9 means without illegals, the voter breakdown of R v D = 37.5-50%.

They also changed the definition of "deportation", and "illegal immigrant", people turned away from the border before they get in the USA are called deportation, this is the origin of the myth that Obama has deported more people than anybody else.

People getting in the USA illegally are now classified as "refugees", they let themselves get detained by Border Patrol because under stupid "human right" laws Border Patrol now have to take them to detention centers and stay there for some time, they can claim violence in their country (which there is not way to corroborate) or that somebody wants to kill them and that is it.

This is why migrations courts are full, anybody arrive and tell a sob story, get sent to court.

How many times we listen people saying illegal immigration in the border is all time low? because illegals are now classified as refugees.

[Samseau]

True. But I'm fairly certain Trump wants to send home all refugees as well, but perhaps the Deep state will cuck us in the end.

[JayMillz]

(11-12-2016 08:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

So at some stage President Trump will be called on to make good on his promise to build a wall.

I'm interested to hear what members think the outcome will be. Poll aside, what kind of specifics are the members here willing to predict?

Serious thread. This may be the make/break issue for his presidency. How will it come together and in what time frame? Get in early so you can brag later if you get it right.

What is the latest on this?

[MOVSM]

(01-09-2017 10:16 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

What is the latest on this?

Patience.

[Mage]

I would actually prefer if he wouldn't build the wall.

The wall could backfire very easily on US citizens - if after Trump presidency globalist authoritarians like Obama, Clinton or worse ever steal power - the wall could be used to prevent Americans from escaping. Do not build walls that can turn out as your prison.

I would very much prefer if it would be very dense, effective, active and merciless border patrols instead, manned with trigger happy rednecks, cowboys and vigilantes who have lost a relative to drugs and hate drug dealers and illegals and are allowed release their anger and to shoot first ask later.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^Without the wall you're guaranteed to get that socialist police state.

"Don't build the wall in case we get a socialist police state" is a tad contradictory. You would compromise the future of your entire nation just to keep one possible escape route open on the assumption that your country is doomed?

That's pretty bleak, man.

[weambulance]

There are tons of privately owned airplanes and boats in this country. Two huge coastlines and a northern border that won't have a wall on it. Hundreds of millions of privately owned guns including anti-materiel rifles held by tens of millions of gun owners, a substantial number of whom are combat veterans.

I'll take my chances with the wall.

[Gmac]

(01-11-2017 04:51 AM)Mage Wrote:  

I would actually prefer if he wouldn't build the wall.

The wall could backfire very easily on US citizens - if after Trump presidency globalist authoritarians like Obama, Clinton or worse ever steal power - the wall could be used to prevent Americans from escaping. Do not build walls that can turn out as your prison.

I would very much prefer if it would be very dense, effective, active and merciless border patrols instead, manned with trigger happy rednecks, cowboys and vigilantes who have lost a relative to drugs and hate drug dealers and illegals and are allowed release their anger and to shoot first ask later.

[SamuelBRoberts]

We're going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it, and the process is going to start in a little over a week.

The year is off to a great start.

[infowarrior1]

About deporting criminals the problem is they keep trying to come back. So there should be an execution for those who refuse to stay out of the country.

[infowarrior1]

Mass immigration is also to ensure that the scam of fractional reserve banking kept up :

[MOVSM]

You know, I kinda like that idea. For those from Mexico, we should build a pyramid and sacrifice them to Tezcatlipoca.
That should also assuage the liberal "spiritualists" who are forever seeking a religion other than Christianity/Judaism to practice.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(01-12-2017 11:06 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  

You know, I kinda like that idea. For those from Mexico, we should build a pyramid and sacrifice them to Tezcatlipoca.
That should also assuage the liberal "spiritualists" who are forever seeking a religion other than Christianity/Judaism to practice.

If you're against sacrificing illegal immigrants to forgotten and blasphemous gods, it's because you're a racist!

Can't we just send them back?

[MOVSM]

(01-12-2017 11:16 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Can't we just send them back?

And miss out on all the fun?

[dain_bramage]

In the very unlikely scenario of a wall being built on the Canadian border I will go down south a bit and watch it be built. There's a nice stretch of land easily accessible where a wall would be built. If there's just a wall along the border with Mexico I will find a means of getting that far south and watch it be built.

[Fender_Bender]

Saw this suggested elsewhere online (I think The Donald) as a joke but it might be crazy enough to work. Utilize the square footage and geographically high sun exposure of the Mexican border and adorn the wall with American made solar panels. Sell the electricity to Mexico. As an added bonus, finance the project by selling ad space to corporations to place solar arrays in the shape of their logos, perhaps big enough to view from space or at least Google Maps.

[MOVSM]

[Genghis Khan]

(01-16-2017 01:47 AM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  

Saw this suggested elsewhere online (I think The Donald) as a joke but it might be crazy enough to work. Utilize the square footage and geographically high sun exposure of the Mexican border and adorn the wall with American made solar panels. Sell the electricity to Mexico. As an added bonus, finance the project by selling ad space to corporations to place solar arrays in the shape of their logos, perhaps big enough to view from space or at least Google Maps.

This idea was proposed by Jigar Shah, a billoinaire solar panel pioneer who started SunEdison. Jigar does have some heavy liberal leanings. But considering he was able to use his business acumen to pioneer a new business model regarding solar panels and become a billionaire, I'll take his word this could actually work.

That said, I would hope Trump won't put panels on top of the Wall. Too many leftist heads would explode with cognitive dissonance about renewable energy covering the cost of the Wall. As someone who is deeply involved with energy issues, I for one would feel sad seeing so many of my friends' early demise.

Article Jigar Shah wrote, for anyone who is interested:

https://unreasonable.is/one-way-mexico-pay-trumps-wall/

Quote:

That means you could put almost 5,000 MWs of solar panels on the wall. According to PVWatts, the wall would produce over 6,600,000,000 kilowatt-hours. At about six cents per kilowatt-hour (typical cost of electricity from natural gas and coal plants in the USA) the electricity would be worth about $396,000,000 per year. Over the 40 year life of the solar panels, the solar panels would collect over $15,840,000,000 – not counting the tax credits already in place for solar, low-cost debt from the North American Development Bank or escalating value of daytime power in Mexico.

That same Washington Post article quoted the President saying that he thought the wall could be built for $12 billion. So if the power were to be sold to the Mexican people – power they desperately need – then the President could actually make good on his promise to say that the Mexican people paid for the wall (as John Carney suggested). Also with 2,000 miles available, the technology sponsorship models would be endless. There is so much good technology coming out of the Department of Energy that needs to be commercialized, what better place than at the wall?