Quote: (10-29-2016 08:35 AM)Phoenix Wrote:
I'm guessing a few were virgins, laid aside just like another notch (as other virgin-toting members in this thread said they did).
The ideal is all very well and good, but when it's now only available to 5% of men (correct me if I'm wrong), 95% of men are deluding themselves in having that as a requirement alongside attractiveness.
Also for all those who think a virgin lay is a guaranteed "glued to you girl", lay some Japanese virgins. Barely even registers in their head, let alone causes emotional gluing.
I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I or any other poster in this thread advocated treating virgins as "just like another notch".
The only CONFIRMED virgin I've slept with was one I dated for 18 months. I ultimately decided I did not want to marry her because she was incapable of deep conversations. It's something that, to me, is very important. I can't connect deeply with someone I can't have a deep conversation with.
Now, there are two other MAYBE virgins I slept with. One was a Ukrainian 8 in NYC, I was visiting for two weeks, we had sex on the beach on our second date. Our first date was an insta-date, lasted about 6 hours or so, the second lasted about 8 hours. Very possible she was a virgin, but it was dark and on a beach so I wasn't really paying attention to blood etc.
Second maybe was a girl I met at a college frat party. She threw herself at me, we made out (we were both very drunk) and then I took her back to my dorm. On the way back, she made me promise to take her out on a date the next day, I said sure, we get back, we start fucking in my bed. She wants to do it in the shower, I say ok, we go to the shower and finish there. Next morning she leaves. I change the sheets, blood on them. Based on the way she acted, and the blood, she MAY have been a virgin, and wanting to "get rid of it" so she could have a "college experience". Unsure, when I called her the next day, she seemed awkward and wasn't interested in going out again.
So out of the three POSSIBLE virgins, I LTR'd the one I KNEW was a virgin. The other two I couldn't, the Ukrainian girl lived in another state and shortly after I left went back to the Ukraine with her parents. The other wasn't interested.
My argument was not to bother LTRing sluts. And yes, 95% of men ARE going to end up dating/marrying sluts, statistically speaking. That's fine. If you're comfortable being on the bottom 95%, you do you. But there are some areas of life I am not willing to compromise in, and this is one of them.
Also, implying that all virgins are unattractive is false as well. Now, are you going to find a 9 who's legal and still a virgin? Highly doubtful. But 7's and 8s do exist with hymen intact.
How many men in the US ever move abroad? I bet it's less than 5%. The men of this forum, by and large, are in the top 20% of men intellectually and philosophically, at least, simply by knowing and accepting reality as it is. For you to suggest that we are "unworthy" or incapable of securing a high-quality woman simply because it's statistically difficult is quite insulting. Very few things worth having are easy to obtain.