[Rob Banks]

(10-29-2016 08:26 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

John Galt, I'm not even getting into this with you any more because you seem to have a terminal disposition to skim-reading posts and then launching into counterpoints for points that never existed in the first place. For example:

Quote:

You don't think it's fucked up to tell a woman you love her and want an LTR when you know in your head that you would never marry her or want kids?

Say what?

If you are inferring that cohabiting with a woman is an unspoken contract regarding future marriage then you might want to take it over to the white knight thread. Women benefit far more from cohabitation than men so they're not being robbed of anything, and if they choose to go into a denial bubble about the endgame then that's their own fault.

The specific quote of mine you posted was not a counterpoint or rebuttal it was simply a question.

Also, I never said that cohabitation was an unspoken contract for future marriage. I said that entering into an LTR with a girl (referring to her as your girlfriend and allowing her to refer to you as her boyfriend) is an unspoken contract that you are at least considering committing to her long term. If you enter into an LTR knowing full well that you will eventually dump the girl, I think that is a bit of a dick move (assuming this is a nice, non-slutty girl we're talking about.

By the way, this is why we have the institution of marriage in the first place. It was assumed that a man who privately promised a woman love and commitment could not be trusted. That is why we have a public marriage ceremony with witnesses. That way, if the guy tries to leave and claims he never promised the girl anything, there are many witnesses proving him wrong, and the girl's father and brothers can go beat the shit out of the guy.

If you think I'm "skim-reading" and missing the point to what you're saying, please point out at least one instance in which I did that. Don't use the same quote of mine you posted above, because I just told you that was not a rebuttal to anything you said, it was just a question I was asking you.

Also, I understand if you don't want to continue this argument/debate, but saying "I'm not going to get into this with you because you're so (whatever)..." is a common leftist tactic to avoid actually having to rebut someone's arguments.

[John_Galt]

Rob,

Let's try to have a civilized debate. Don't attack other members. A lot of these guys have been around for YEARS and met each other, so we new guys need to respect their opinions. Let's have an open, friendly, logical debate---and not accuse one another of using leftists tactics. I'm sure these gentlemen have their own experiences and reasoning for disagreeing----let's hear it and discuss it as friends.

[Rob Banks]

(10-29-2016 02:15 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

Most of us feel a disgust at aging, and at dying.

Doesn't make those things not so.

I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, but...

I assume you're responding to what I said about men naturally feeling disgust towards slutty women.

Aging and dying are unavoidable. Marrying a slut, or having your daughter become one, is avoidable.

(10-29-2016 02:15 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, but...

You make it seem like I'm some guy who thinks women are angels and just doesn't want to accept that most women are sluts. I'll be the first one to say we live in a degenerate society and the vast majority of Western women (and foreign women who move to the West) are dirty whores.

What I am saying is that in the past, when Western society was still patriarchal, things were different. I'm not saying all women were angelic virgins back then either, but at least there was an expectation to remain a virgin until marriage. Girls who had premarital sex brought shame to their family, especially their father.

[Rob Banks]

(10-29-2016 04:54 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  

For whatever reason, some members are (I think deliberately) misinterpreting my stance on what women are worthy of sticking my dick in.

Let me be clear: Most of the women I've slept with have been sluts. I enjoy sluts. I like them for what they are----easy lays.

What I am AGAINST is INVESTING in sluts. Just like you don't put money into a company that is almost certain to lose your investment, investing your time, emotions, or capital into women who are high-risk is a foolish endeavor.

FUCK sluts all day everyday! I do my best to do just that. I'm not saying anyone should avoid fucking sluts.

But this thread is NOT a question about "should I fuck this slut?" The question is, "Should I continue my monogamous relationship with a slut I have feelings for?"

My answer is a resounding NO! You're welcome to your own opinions, but please, don't derail the thread.

Good point. I can't believe there is even any debate here with regard to the question "should I keep a slut as a serious girlfriend?"

(10-30-2016 07:35 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  

Rob,

Let's try to have a civilized debate. Don't attack other members. A lot of these guys have been around for YEARS and met each other, so we new guys need to respect their opinions. Let's have an open, friendly, logical debate---and not accuse one another of using leftists tactics. I'm sure these gentlemen have their own experiences and reasoning for disagreeing----let's hear it and discuss it as friends.

I'm all for logical debate. He is the one who said he wouldn't debate with me anymore.

I agree with what you're saying and I try to be as respectful as possible, especially to the guys who have been here for a long time. However, if you go back and read the previous pages, I was as respectful as possible to him in every post, even asking him to let me know if I was misunderstanding his arguments, and he was the one who repeatedly called me a "white knight" and then refused to keep debating me.

Also, what did I say to him that you consider disrespectful? Was it when I said that refusing to debate is a common leftist tactic? I didn't think that was too disrespectful. In the short time I've been on this forum, I've had worse things said to me just because someone disagreed with something I said.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Christ on a crutch. Can a mod merge this thread with the white knight thread?

This is getting ridiculous.

[John_Galt]

Rob,

I'm just saying that the tone of your posts is a bit combative. That's just MY perception---an opinion, not a fact. Making emotional arguments is not the best way to when a debate based on logic. If they are not using logic to back up their opinions, I'm sure the other men here are smart enough to see that and make their own conclusions. "Calling out" other guys---especially those who are well respected veterans----is not a good way to make friends in a community you're new to.

I tend to agree with a lot of your points, I'm just trying to suggest a way to voice them that doesn't come across negatively.

[Travesty]

(10-30-2016 08:42 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Christ on a crutch. Can a mod merge this thread with the white knight thread?

This is getting ridiculous.

I fucking love being a white knight.

No hymen, no diamond m'lady

[Rob Banks]

(10-30-2016 08:55 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  

Rob,

I'm just saying that the tone of your posts is a bit combative. That's just MY perception---an opinion, not a fact. Making emotional arguments is not the best way to when a debate based on logic. If they are not using logic to back up their opinions, I'm sure the other men here are smart enough to see that and make their own conclusions. "Calling out" other guys---especially those who are well respected veterans----is not a good way to make friends in a community you're new to.

I tend to agree with a lot of your points, I'm just trying to suggest a way to voice them that doesn't come across negatively.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I really wasn't trying to "call him out" or pick a fight, but I see how it could have come off that way.

I agree that new members should be respectful to the older members who've been here a long time. If the tone of my posts was combative, it certainly wasn't intentional.

[Rob Banks]

(10-30-2016 08:58 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 08:42 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Christ on a crutch. Can a mod merge this thread with the white knight thread?

This is getting ridiculous.

I fucking love being a white knight.

No hymen, no diamond m'lady

↑↑ This.

[Caractacus Potts]

(10-27-2016 11:20 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

I don't find it universally true, in the U.S. at least, that a girl who is enthusiastic or "good" in bed has necessarily had an enormous amount of past dudes. These days, even girls who I know for sure haven't had many guys before still seem to know what to do, or work hard at least. Hell, Cosmo tells them to try a finger in the ass.

I can recall many examples of this, a recent one being a 26 y/o small town Christian girl who had been with two guys in her entire life, she suggested/initiated the gagging on my cock via laying on her back with head over side of bed, the second time we met.

Ease of bang with a girl who is truly attracted to you isn't really a great indicator of her past. You'll need more data, beyond how easy it was to bang her, if this is something that's bothering you.

Only you can decide if it's a problem, but it doesn't seem to be from what you wrote. If you are happy with things then just carry on, as General Stalin said.

That's one of my signature moves!!!

1. Manhandle them in bed. Throw them around - it helps if they are petite.

2.Grab them by the wrists and pull them to the edge of the bed until their head is hanging over.

3. Stand over them. Teabag them and then start fucking their throat.*

*Bonus points if she has a death grip on your ass or thighs while she groans and chokes on your cock.

[GlobalMan]

I don't think anyone here disagrees with guys desiring to marry a virgin, I think most of us here would be happy with that scenario.

What I don't particularly like is when some guys come at this from angle of basically shaming other men, or implying theirs is the righteous way or right way.

For example- and, not to harp on it- but some guys saying a girl wearing normal summer clothes is "immodest". It's over the top, and implying this type of thinking is "correct" or should be norm is silly. Disagreeing with such extremely restrictive outlooks does not even remotely mean a guy is buying into "feminist thinking", these are ridiculous accusations. Those issues certainly exist, but not buying into a particular standard does not mean one is buying into feminism instead.

Noothing wrong having a certain outlook and preferences, just don't engage in weaponized proselytizing with shaming tactics. It's disingenuous and shitty, doubly so if one is new here.

[Caractacus Potts]

[quote
Indeed, pandemic of cheap talk going around here. "I'll only LTR a virgin" . I'm guessing she'll also be an "8+", "super feminine", and "cooks and cleans for me and follows my every command", and unobjectionably lets you "have several girls on the side" .

Most folks who echo that sentiment are just full of it -- no, you're never going to get that, you're not good enough, you're not going to become good enough, you'll just end up one of those 40+ loners wearing a permanent look of indignation and doing p4p that I see strewn everywhere in expatistan. ]

Hey, I think that is going to resemble me in a decade or so...lol

Before I left for Panama a female friend told me to watch out for all of the whores. I sent her a pic of me sitting at a table with one. She wanted $200 for the night. I didn't take her up on the offer but I told my female friend that I can see why a lot of guys do. As I get older...

[John_Galt]

GlobalMan:

Not sure if you were referring to me in your broad statement, but in case you were, I wanted to clarify my position on the matter:

I respect every mans right to date whatever woman or women he chooses. But if a man asks me for advice, I will give him it.

Statistics back up my view that virgins ARE the best long term mates (as Rob pointed out).

That said, I'm not going to shit on men who choose to date women who aren't----I will question their judgment, but I do not and will not degrade or attack them.

If I came across as doing so earlier, please accept this post as a public apology.

[GlobalMan]

John, I was referring to the way SpanishExpat and some others chose to argue their point, I think you've been reasonable.

[spanish_expat]

(10-30-2016 10:45 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

John, I was referring to the way SpanishExpat and some others chose to argue their point, I think you've been reasonable.

GlobalMan, you may want to watch this video. BTW, I don’t remember saying anything about summer clothes being "immodest".

[GlobalMan]

Spanish_Expat, for the sake of you having a long and fruitful experience on the forum, you should reassess your approach to the great and experienced men here -who you do not know, and who you've already slighted twice that I've seen- and realize that you're in no position yet to imply that others have things to learn from you. Good luck.

[spanish_expat]

(10-31-2016 02:41 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Spanish_Expat, for the sake of you having a long and fruitful experience on the forum, you should reassess your approach to the great and experienced men here -who you do not know, and who you've already slighted twice that I've seen- and realize that you're in no position yet to imply that others have things to learn from you. Good luck.

spanish_expat Wrote:

spanish_expat Wrote:
PS: I see lot of feminist men, here.

GlobalMan Wrote:

Oh, is that a fact, hombre? Tell us more.

Sure.

[Splord]

Slutty past? No problem if you can control your feelings (after all you only date and bang them), big problem if you fall in love (bigger if you wanna marry).

If you are so suspicious, jealous or whatever before it gets serious stop the relationship now because most probably it won't get any better.

[dsalsa]

(10-31-2016 08:54 AM)Splord Wrote:  

Slutty past? No problem if you can control your feelings (after all you only date and bang them)

It's never "only". You can never know what will happen and if she gets pregnant. Pick wisely just in case

[dopvlur]

Even picking wisely you can´t have full control over a girl after all, once I fucked a married girl who swear I was the 2nd. men in her life (that happened after spend a few weeks together for work related stuff), another girl who I met in a concert and just make out, then after texting a few weeks I fucked her, then she told me she was going to get married in 6 months and told me I was the 2nd too.

I can´t do that anymore due ethics, all I want to say is that even if you find a virgin girl and commit to her, there are chances that she gets bored and find and adventure.

Probably their couples were so beta, surely some members here have similar experiences with this kind of girls.

[dsalsa]

(10-31-2016 12:53 PM)dopvlur Wrote:  

Even picking wisely you can´t have full control over a girl after all, once I fucked a married girl who swear I was the 2nd. men in her life (that happened after spend a few weeks together for work related stuff), another girl who I met in a concert and just make out, then after texting a few weeks I fucked her, then she told me she was going to get married in 6 months and told me I was the 2nd too.

When they told you that you are 2nd they forgot to tell you about the other guys that "doesn't count"

[John_Galt]

(10-31-2016 12:53 PM)dopvlur Wrote:  

Even picking wisely you can´t have full control over a girl after all, once I fucked a married girl who swear I was the 2nd. men in her life (that happened after spend a few weeks together for work related stuff), another girl who I met in a concert and just make out, then after texting a few weeks I fucked her, then she told me she was going to get married in 6 months and told me I was the 2nd too.

I can´t do that anymore due ethics, all I want to say is that even if you find a virgin girl and commit to her, there are chances that she gets bored and find and adventure.

I'd bet my right nut your dick was NOT the second one to enter their orifices.


Spanish Expat:

You'd be wise to heed GlobalMan's advice. There are some members who issue warnings like this to push your buttons, but from what I've seen of GlobalMan's posts, he isn't one of them. He's giving you solid advice. You would do well to heed it.

[LeoneVolpe]

A good rule of thumb when dealing with girls:

"Whatever they're willing to admit to, you can bet more than that happened."

[John_Galt]

Well, several of us tried to warn spanish_expat. Can't say I'm surprised to see him gone.

[General Stalin]

Dudes in here talking about how they fuck all these virgins and advocating others do the same. Why? Did you marry them? Did they birth you children and raise them well? Sounds to me like all these virgin-girl relationships all ended up down the drain anyway so I don't see why it matters. If folks want to brag about how they pop cherries thats all well and good but I don't see the relevance.

I suppose if you are wife-hunting and are actively seeking out a woman who you would marry and birth and raise your children then it is smart to be picky with their relationship/sexual history. Studies do indeed show that women with fewer partners tend to lead to stronger and more stable marriages/families.

There is a fine line between being careful who you trust and being insecure.

I know if I screened for girls with zero/limited sexual history then I'd be leaving a metric ton of quality pussy on the table and passing up a lion's share of enjoyable women.