[John_Galt]

(10-28-2016 08:38 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 05:54 PM)John_Galt Wrote:  

[Virgin's don't suck in bed]

I've known a handful.



The most recent one was much older before she lost her virginity to me, mid-late 20s. Problem: She spent almost her entire adult life fucking a vibrator. She was so in-tune to her singular way of getting off that sex, when she wanted to get off and not please me, was a ridiculously monotonous chore. I was pretty much having to be a vibrator, not a fucking man.

I wrote about the exceptions in my post, regarding women with psychological problems, including sexual hang-ups.

Women CAN and DO "train" themselves to only respond to clitoral stimulation. It's a problem with some women in the US that I know of, probably in other countries as well.

The bottom line is that virginity does not override preexisting mental illness, however minor. I do not want to sound as though if you meet a girl who has a hymen, you should instantly put a diamond on her finger. It is merely one of MANY qualities you should screen for.

[Tigre]

This was a good lesson for OP to learn for future relationships.

It's an area I used to have bad frame in. I would have a girl on a date, and let her ramble about her ex-boyfriend or something.

These days, I just tell a girl: "I don't want to hear about your past hookups or relationships". And it's as simple as that.

[DVY]

Im pretty sure every girl I've smashed has a slutty past.

If you are dating beautiful girls, you have to accept that guys will lust after them.

Just like girls expect a playboy to have previous girls.

The wheel will continue turning. Don't mistake what you see for relaity

[Phoenix]

(10-28-2016 04:35 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

So many puritans. Dudes in here trying to talk a guy out of spending time with a girl he likes because she has been with a few dudes before him.

Indeed, pandemic of cheap talk going around here. "I'll only LTR a virgin" . I'm guessing she'll also be an "8+", "super feminine", and "cooks and cleans for me and follows my every command", and unobjectionably lets you "have several girls on the side" .

Most folks who echo that sentiment are just full of it -- no, you're never going to get that, you're not good enough, you're not going to become good enough, you'll just end up one of those 40+ loners wearing a permanent look of indignation and doing p4p that I see strewn everywhere in expatistan.

Demand everything and you'll end up with nothing.

[John_Galt]

I have dated a virgin, she was super feminine, and she did cook and clean for me and follow my every command.

She was not an 8+ though. She was a 7. Tall and thin, pretty face, but flat-chested. She did not "let" me have other girls on the side, but I did cheat on her a lot. She never caught me....but there were certainly red flags she chose to ignore.

So go ahead, call me a keyboard jockey. I've had it and I'll have it again. Would have married the broad if she weren't as dumb as a box of rocks. Couldn't have a deep conversation with her, always drove me mad.

Can you "have it all"? I doubt it. Hot, intelligent, sane. Pick any two. Pretty much been my experience.

Nothing wrong with banging sluts. I never spoke against it. Just said my 2 cents is you shouldn't invest in them. If you disagree, you're more than welcome to them. There are plenty to go around. Then again, given that you left for Japan (a country well known to have a much higher quantity of the women you mentioned) it appears you're at least trying to practice what I preach. Good for you.

[eatthishomie]

Most even semi attractive girls have hoeish pasts. May as well learn to deal with it now if you want to have a sex life. 22 year old virgins are needles in a haystack. I knew girls in high school who were massive hoes and had already fucked a crazy amount of dudes and this was in the 90s before smartphones and online dating.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

It's simple

Don't ask questions you don't want answered. Or if she starts telling a story, just cut her off and say you don't care and don't want to know.

If the thoughts keep coming back, kick her to the curb and next time don't fall into a trap your mind can't get out of easily.

If it fades, keep on banging the slut until she falls out of rotation.

[el mavericko]

(10-28-2016 09:43 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 04:35 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

So many puritans. Dudes in here trying to talk a guy out of spending time with a girl he likes because she has been with a few dudes before him.

Indeed, pandemic of cheap talk going around here. "I'll only LTR a virgin" . I'm guessing she'll also be an "8+", "super feminine", and "cooks and cleans for me and follows my every command", and unobjectionably lets you "have several girls on the side" .

Most folks who echo that sentiment are just full of it -- no, you're never going to get that, you're not good enough, you're not going to become good enough, you'll just end up one of those 40+ loners wearing a permanent look of indignation and doing p4p that I see strewn everywhere in expatistan.

Demand everything and you'll end up with nothing.

So much snark.

Speak for yourself. I've broken 3 hymens, an 18yo Italian American from NYC, a 19yo light skinned Cebuana from a wealthy family, and an 18yo from North Florida. Dated the first for two years and the second for a year, both relationships went exactly like your comment describes except for the last part, if I'm fucking anyone on the side I'm certainly not gonna let my girl know about it. Can't think of any potential positives from that action, only negatives. Third one admittedly fell apart when she started college so I pulled the plug and ejected immediately.

I get the hate, it's so much easier to shack up with a slut, convince yourself you're okay with it, and bash guys that actually have standards than it is to embrace the hunt. It's not like you need to constantly be searching for virgins, it's only necessary once in your life; when you're ready to settle down and start a family. You'll have to make some sacrifices but your reward will be a strong lifelong pair-bond with a woman you've molded to please you and raise your children just the way you want her to.

Anyone wanna share their reasons for even entering a serious LTR in the first place if you aren't screening the chick for mother of your kids potential? Sounds a whole lot like willingly living with the cumrag of multiple other alpha's and proclaiming her to be your one and only with absolutely zero upside to me.

*Edit - I definitely concede that if you're an older guy and no longer have access to 18-21 year olds then I don't think what I'm saying applies to you. Some guys are just tired and want some comfort and that's okay. Still doesn't mean it's PREFERABLE to virgin pussy though, and it definitely doesn't mean you need to insult the guys that still have high standards assuming they're solid dudes that bring more than their fair share to the table.

[Rawmeo]

Cut her off. If you get this weird feeling in your stomach everytime you think about her slutty past, you should walk away. There's nothing you can do to change her past, neither can she.

There's no such thing as a "reformed whore". She's a whore, or she's not. I hate to have to say that to you, but I'm pretty sure she is. Just the fact that you needed to open this thread tells everything. Don't forget that when a girl tells you her notch count, it's usually x2 or x3. So if she's been with 20 guys, you have a 5% chance to be the best, so 95% chance that she has seen better and will continue trying to do so.

Your guts will never lie to you. Have fun with her as much as you need to, but do not LTR her. As many guys have said, a LTR / wife needs to be a virgin. I can't LTR a girl who isn't a virgin, I just can't, it'll bother me everyday. End of the story.

tl;dr Don,t get attached to her, just keep her as a side chick.

[Noir]

It seems a lot of posters are absolute in their approach and not fluid or open to any experiences whatsoever.

We are saying the same thing but our approach on how to handle it varies. We all agree a high notch count is not desirable but you guys are so divisive (I was too, admittedly) that honestly, there's no point discussing this.

You fucked 3 virgins, well done. That's not sustainable.

You are getting older and chicks are getting fucked. Accept it.

At the end of all this shit, Duncan, the decision is yours. If you don't feel right with this girl, move on but honest to yourself- is it because you feel that way or because some people behind a screen on the internet enforced their beliefs about what an ideal woman should be that you moved on?

Exceptions are not norms.

Good luck.

[John_Galt]

^

You're saying basically, lower your standards, because most women are sluts?

That's your answer? So you plan on marrying a reformed whore?

There are always other options for a man who is high quality. Moving abroad is one. There are certainly countries with higher rates of virginity than the US for those who value a high-quality woman for LTR's. I've heard that in the Ukraine it's normal for men to date women a generation or two younger than them. Same for the Philippines.

It's perfectly fine to have low standards. There's nothing wrong with picking the low-hanging fruit. But please, don't disparage those of us who choose the finer, more difficult things. It would be as though you chose to subside on frozen TV diners, and then bashing the man who chooses to eat high quality organic food, simply because it's less common, more expensive, and harder to obtain. Those things are facts, but it's also a fact that the organic food is better for your body and mind. Same with women. Enjoy your whores. I enjoy them too. But I know their place, and it is not as an equal partner in my life.

[spanish_expat]

(10-28-2016 09:43 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 04:35 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

So many puritans. Dudes in here trying to talk a guy out of spending time with a girl he likes because she has been with a few dudes before him.

Indeed, pandemic of cheap talk going around here. "I'll only LTR a virgin" . I'm guessing she'll also be an "8+", "super feminine", and "cooks and cleans for me and follows my every command", and unobjectionably lets you "have several girls on the side" .

Most folks who echo that sentiment are just full of it -- no, you're never going to get that, you're not good enough, you're not going to become good enough, you'll just end up one of those 40+ loners wearing a permanent look of indignation and doing p4p that I see strewn everywhere in expatistan.

Demand everything and you'll end up with nothing.

Do you find funny that Western women have become unmarriageable sluts?
ALL my Indian and Chinese friends are marrying virgins.
In most of human history, men have married virgins.
Good luck with marrying sluts, you’ll end up being one of those 40+ divorced loners wearing a permanent look of indignation.

[Noir]

(10-29-2016 03:04 AM)John_Galt Wrote:  

^

You're saying basically, lower your standards, because most women are sluts?

That's your answer? So you plan on marrying a reformed whore?

There are always other options for a man who is high quality. Moving abroad is one. There are certainly countries with higher rates of virginity than the US for those who value a high-quality woman for LTR's. I've heard that in the Ukraine it's normal for men to date women a generation or two younger than them. Same for the Philippines.

It's perfectly fine to have low standards. There's nothing wrong with picking the low-hanging fruit. But please, don't disparage those of us who choose the finer, more difficult things. It would be as though you chose to subside on frozen TV diners, and then bashing the man who chooses to eat high quality organic food, simply because it's less common, more expensive, and harder to obtain. Those things are facts, but it's also a fact that the organic food is better for your body and mind. Same with women. Enjoy your whores. I enjoy them too. But I know their place, and it is not as an equal partner in my life.

Well done on hijacking and reframing the thread.

OP has been with this girl for 5 months, context is relevant.

My standards aint low by any means but if you live in any metropolitan area then you stop being so absolute. My point is that a middle ground exists and combination of your common sense, experience and gut feeling are all important.

If you think I am disparaging for offering a different opinion, then go back to your own safe space.

(10-29-2016 03:04 AM)John_Galt Wrote:  

I've heard that

Keep hearing, I'll keep doing.

[spanish_expat]

The dating market has become a rat race in which (some) male individuals "self-improve" themselves to access a pool of continuously decreasing quality pussy. The more males self-improve themselves (and the lower the bar some men put), the lower the aggregate quality of pussy. And the vicious circle goes on. It seems that some men here are perfectly OK with that!

NB: no MGTOW here, I also "self-improved" myself by following Roosh advice.

[GlobalMan]

(10-29-2016 04:43 AM)spanish_expat Wrote:  

The more males self-improve themselves (and the lower the bar some men put), the lower the aggregate quality of pussy.

Wow you are really giving us some real gems here hombre

Are you another one of the guys from ROK? Like the other guy bitching about Lauren Southern wearing shorts makes her "not a real conservative"

Quote:

It seems that some men here are perfectly OK with that!

How many times are you going to imply that the men here aren't up to your standard?

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Is this still the Game section?

Can we start a "You Should Move To Rural Thailand In Search Of Virgin 6's" sub forum to untangle this crap from here?

I'm out.

[spanish_expat]

(10-29-2016 05:23 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Wow you are really giving us some real gems here hombre tard

Are you another one of the guys from ROK? Like the other guy bitching about Lauren Southern wearing shorts makes her "not a real conservative" tard

Quote:
It seems that some men here are perfectly OK with that!

How many times are you going to imply that the men here aren't up to your standard?

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Is this still the Game section?

Can we start a "You Should Move To Rural Thailand In Search Of Virgin 6's" sub forum to untangle this crap from here?

I'm out.

I’m in RooshVForum. The OP is asking relationship advice.
And here is what the creator of this forum thinks about (serious) relationships:
http://www.rooshv.com/the-future-mother-...ves-in-god

No need to move anything, in my opinion.

PS: by the way, "hombre" in Spanish means "man". A word quite forgotten in American English.

[Phoenix]

I think the reaction to my comments says it all. Men who "broke multiple hymens", and none of them were good enough to stick around with. Well those hymens don't grown back for the next guy. And you're still looking for that 100% box ticker.

"In most of human history men have married virgins" -- OK, well we're not living in normal human history, and the numbers are clearly against you aren't they chum? Perhaps it's better to settle for a less chaste woman with better genes (for the good of you next generation) than the ease and comfort of a doting virgin who isn't going to do your children's genes any favours.

[spanish_expat]

(10-29-2016 06:00 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

I think the reaction to my comments says it all. Men who "broke multiple hymens", and none of them were good enough to stick around with. Well those hymens don't grown back for the next guy. And you're still looking for that 100% box ticker.

"In most of human history men have married virgins" -- OK, well we're not living in normal human history, and the numbers are clearly against you aren't they chum? Perhaps it's better to settle for a less chaste woman with better genes (for the good of you next generation) than the ease and comfort of a doting virgin who isn't going to do your children's genes any favours.

What’s the point of producing children with "better genes" (whatever that means) if she divorces you, brainwashes/manipulates your children and they become an even more broken generation? It is a vicious circle.

[Rob Banks]

(10-28-2016 12:35 AM)John_Galt Wrote:  

Stalin is wrong on every level.

First of all, the best girl I've EVER been with was a virgin when I met her. I confirmed this---when we first had sex, her pussy wasn't bleeding, and I busted her hymen, then blood. Virgin.

Now, the FIRST time we had sex, was it amazing? No. But I taught her to fuck EXACTLY how I like to fuck. Taught her to suck cock EXACTLY how I like my cock sucked. After a month of sex everyday, this girl was a fucking pornstar with me. It was fantastic.

It's MUCH easier to teach someone how to do something if they don't already have preconceived notions based on what someone else taught them.

He's also wrong on the other thing. I was thinking about this exact thing earlier today. I dated a slut for 2 years---we just broke up. She was cheating. Now, she wasn't even a major whore----she had been with 5 men at 19. A lot of guys think that's not many----but I call it a slut. Anyways, what I sum it up like this:

If you weren't her first, you can be sure you won't be her last.

Period. No if's, ands or buts.

Now, if you're just fucking her, who cares? But don't let feelings get involved, don't let kids get involved, and don't let the idea of marriage EVER enter your mind.

No hymen, no diamond. The end.

↑↑ This, 1000 times over.

Also, OP, I noticed something you said that confused me a bit:

(10-27-2016 10:34 PM)TheDuncan Wrote:  

"she said when she was 22 she used to bang a coworker at the resturant they worked at, I have done this myself so I dunno why her saying that made me feel a little uncormfortable."

So at some point in the past (when she was 22), she was taking dick from some guy who was her coworker. Now, when you say you "have done this myself," I would have to conclude (based solely on your words) that at some point in the past, you were taking dick from some guy who was your coworker.

Obviously, I know what you meant. I'm just trying to illustrate that you're comparing apples and oranges when you compare a woman's sexual history to your own.

[Rawmeo]

^ This.

No matter how perfect her genes are, if she divorces you, especially in the West, it's all over. All the "good" genes are gone, and another man will raise your child, teach him a lot of blue pill stuff, and fuck the mom while you're back in your apartment masturbating to porn. All your efforts raising a child will have been in vain.

I'd rather pick a girl with genes of lesser quality but that will stay with me instead of divorcing me. I've given this advice countless times on this forum: Never marry a girl who will not accept to sign a prenup. This little piece of paper will save you if the wants to rape you. It may cost around $1000, but if you cannot afford a prenup, you can probably not afford a divorce-rape.

If something bothers you about a girl, and you don't believe you can live with it, then don't LTR her.

I am currently married and my wife was a virgin. I still bang on the side but having been with my wife for a while, I would never want to date a non-virgin again. They won't bond as strongly as a virgin. And for those talking about "bedding a virgin isn't good sex", then you'll never know this feeling of dating a girl for some time, and her crunching her abs as you slowly break her hymen and commit to her. Then showing her exactly how it's done, teaching the required tricks (which may take a few sessions), and then having a wife that will fuck / suck you exactly like you want, without any previous experience, and no one else's cum in her pussy.

Your kids will not get kissed by a "mother" whose mouth has been on countless cocks before, plus the stats are on your side: virgins will bond to their first partner a lot more than non-virgins. You are also eliminating the risk of a previous lover re-appearing and coming back to conquer her. Your girl hasn't been heartbroken before, cheated on, and all shit that you might have to endure. There are hundreds of reasons, but you see the point here. And that's precisely why I left the Western world.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(10-29-2016 01:41 AM)el mavericko Wrote:  

...It's not like you need to constantly be searching for virgins, it's only necessary once in your life; when you're ready to settle down and start a family...

This is the eye of the storm that is this thread. Everything else is noise.

The OP needs to be serious. If he's not planning on marrying this chick then who gives a fuck how many guys she's slept with? Getting a notch count that consists entirely of virgins and low notch count women sounds like the definition of hell to me. Frankly although I'm no saint I wouldn't fuck a virgin without planning to commit to her permanently because AFAIC that's the least I can do to fight modern feminism (and all local indications from men of differing codes is that sex with virgins is by and large the worst kind).

Also, LTRs are not pointless even if you're not getting married. There are still benefits and I maintain that cohabitation with women is a skill to learn like any other that will be beneficial when you finally want to settle down.

[Rob Banks]

(10-28-2016 02:18 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

OP already replied that the girl was simply speaking of banging a co-worker at her work and that everything is great with the girl that as far as he can tell.

There's no need for the prophets of virginity to rein down dire warnings to stay away from this oh-so-terribly tainted and forever stained girl who has had sex before.

OP, continue to enjoy your time with this girl until there is reason not to, ignore the doom and gloom talk. You don't need to fly to rural Belarus or only pursue virgins in order to have a good relationship that you enjoy.

As far as feeling uncomfortable while she told you that, that is perfectly normal- no guy wants to visualize his girl getting banged by another dude.

His "reason not to" stay with the girl is because of her sexual history, a perfectly valid reason if there ever was one.

He would not have started this thread if he didn't have doubts. Those doubts will never go away, and will probably get stronger. OP, should not commit to this girl (or knock her up, god forbid). He will be stuck in a situation he will most likely regret forever.

And it's not that guys don't want to visualize their girl being banged by another guy, it's that guys don't want their girl to get banged by another guy, period (and that includes past, present, and future). It's got more to do with the action itself than the visualization of said action.

[Vaun]

Here is a slutty scenario for you to ponder:

My last LTR told me she was a bar tender in Australia when she was backpacking before college. She said she bartended stag parties, where whores would come in and give BJ's to the dudes attending the party.

Slut or no slut?

Now, this girl on the surface looked responsible and conservative; good job at a top company, dressed well non-revealing but sexy, good family, good education, etc.

But... her story was whorish. And the way she told me was whorish. My gut while I was with her was on fire like I had an ulcer, I should have gotten out. I doubled down on her and it wrecked me pretty badly when we split this year.Had I listened to my gut, with these stupid stories, combined with her sexual appetite, dildo's, jealousy triangulation, etc, I would have saved myself a lot of wasted time, money and energy.

Go with your gut, especially when you are young. Get out now.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(10-29-2016 07:58 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 02:18 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

OP already replied that the girl was simply speaking of banging a co-worker at her work and that everything is great with the girl that as far as he can tell.

There's no need for the prophets of virginity to rein down dire warnings to stay away from this oh-so-terribly tainted and forever stained girl who has had sex before.

OP, continue to enjoy your time with this girl until there is reason not to, ignore the doom and gloom talk. You don't need to fly to rural Belarus or only pursue virgins in order to have a good relationship that you enjoy.

As far as feeling uncomfortable while she told you that, that is perfectly normal- no guy wants to visualize his girl getting banged by another dude.

His "reason not to" stay with the girl is because of her sexual history, a perfectly valid reason if there ever was one.

He would not have started this thread if he didn't have doubts. Those doubts will never go away, and will probably get stronger. OP, should not commit to this girl (or knock her up, god forbid). He will be stuck in a situation he will most likely regret forever.

And it's not that guys don't want to visualize their girl being banged by another guy, it's that guys don't want their girl to get banged by another guy, period (and that includes past, present, and future). It's got more to do with the action itself than the visualization of said action.

OP would have had an inkling of her history when he bedded her for the first time, and the second, and the fifth, and the fiftieth. If he's getting sick of her pussy then fine, dump her, but he ought not pretend that it's some sort of moral imperative regarding her past exploits. Gimme a break.

If he's sick of that pussy then say "I'm sick of that pussy". Getting sick of a partner and then magnifying some unrelated issue in order to justify breaking up with them is trademark female self-manipulative nonsense.

[Rob Banks]

(10-29-2016 07:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(10-29-2016 01:41 AM)el mavericko Wrote:  

...It's not like you need to constantly be searching for virgins, it's only necessary once in your life; when you're ready to settle down and start a family...

This is the eye of the storm that is this thread. Everything else is noise.

The OP needs to be serious. If he's not planning on marrying this chick then who gives a fuck how many guys she's slept with? Getting a notch count that consists entirely of virgins and low notch count women sounds like the definition of hell to me. Frankly although I'm no saint I wouldn't fuck a virgin without planning to commit to her permanently because AFAIC that's the least I can do to fight modern feminism (and all local indications from men of differing codes is that sex with virgins is by and large the worst kind).

I completely agree. However, I think OP said, or at least implied, that he was considering this girl for an LTR (which implies at least the possibility of marriage and a family). Most of the advice given to him has taken this into consideration.

Of course, if OP is not looking to get married or raise children with this woman, and knows he will not commit to her, then he shouldn't be as worried about her sexual history.

I don't think anyone on this thread is suggesting OP should look for virgins to pump and dump.

(10-29-2016 07:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Also, LTRs are not pointless even if you're not getting married. There are still benefits and I maintain that cohabitation with women is a skill to learn like any other that will be beneficial when you finally want to settle down.

What is the point of an LTR if you're sure you don't want to marry her (i.e. you're 100% sure you will dump her at some point)?

You don't think it's fucked up to tell a woman you love her and want an LTR when you know in your head that you would never marry her or want kids? In my opinion, to do that to a girl is basically the male equivalent of a woman cucking her husband/boyfriend.

Think about it: when a woman cucks her husband, she tells him that she loves him and will be faithful when clearly that was not true, leaving the man heartbroken, humiliated, and jaded.

When a man lies to a woman and says he loves her and is willing to commit to her, only to dump her after X amount of time together, he is deceiving the woman for his own selfish motives, and leaves the woman heartbroken, humiliated, jaded, and sexually damaged.