[Artiste]

(06-07-2016 10:44 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

NTP tells us all we need to know about the rep system.

This is my suggestion in response to that, written in the context of my thoughts regarding entry into the Private Lounge:

(04-18-2016 09:14 AM)Artiste Wrote:  

- contribute a 'reference point' which would be separate to the 'rep point' in that, moving forward, 'rep points' could refer to forum contributions whereas 'reference points' could refer to in-person verification.

That way, if someone has a high reputation score but no reference score then people can take this into consideration when reading their posts.

I know some members have stated that they should not feel 'obliged' to meet other guys, which is fair enough, however if you're gonna spend hundreds of hours contributing and would like people to take you seriously, I think it makes sense to come along to a meetup at some point. Beyond that, see below.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In response to a post in the "Counter intelligence: strategy and tactics" thread,
I wrote some thoughts about how to guard your privacy whilst encouraging meets in person -- which will hopefully have a flow-on effect for bolstering the relevance and power of this group -- but thought it may be more suitable here (I'm happy to re-post elsewhere if more appropriate).

(06-07-2016 09:05 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

What's to stop some white knight from lying a shit load on the forum, hosting a meet-up, getting all the numbers and then doxxing all the guys involved?-

(06-07-2016 10:47 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I'm not trying to fearmonger, but I think we should take our safety into consideration more often. This forum is definitely watched and we should remember that.

I agree that we need to take precautions (see Roosh's "Finalized Forum Rules" for tips; ref 1), especially for most of us posting in the public section, however I am concerned that this kind of sentiment is likely to unnecessarily limit the chance for RvF members to meet through encouraging the over-consumption of fearful thoughts.



Strengthening the Brotherhood

For me, brotherhood is one of the greatest pleasures of being a man. One of main the reasons I am still involved in men's groups after more than a decade is because of the good times I've shared and connections I’ve made. In consideration of the dissolution of my local men's group, I’d like to continue this tradition through this forum. Whilst I have met 100+ guys through pickup/men’s groups worldwide, and have been discussed game at length on other forums with fellow members, so far I have only met 2 RvF gents in person to my knowledge (Tengen and Pialox, repping them both).

I remember when I first discovered game, that I was so excited and moreover -- transformed -- upon discovering game that I wanted to, no, I needed to share it with others. I showed some articles to a few friends yet failed to convince them of the material’s utility, thus learning the hard way that the first rule of fight club is the most important rule for very very good reasons (ego defense, lack of self-awareness, social desirability, etc)

However, a new period of enthusiasm began when I started meeting like-minded guys who wanted to get better with women. I met them, firstly via the “PAIR” system withing the mASF (Fast Seduction) forum and then my local PUA lair. (At the time, the mASF Forum was the centerpiece of the online seduction community, in which Mystery, Tyler Durden, Style, and other pickup artists posted). It was all so thrilling and cathartic for me. Finally I could actually talk about pickup and relationships in great detail to someone who would listen, understand me, andgo out to meet chicks together. HELL YEAH!

After a couple of years my local crew crystallized and the countless adventures we shared will be treasured for a lifetime. What's more, although many of us are now in relationships (myself included) so don't hit the streets to pickup anymore, we can pick up the phone -- even after having no contact for several months -- and have an hour easily pass whilst having a yarn. It is these enduring friendships that I really treasure and I hope, serve as an example to illustrate the mutual empowerment and joy that has resulted from the formation of men's self-development groups.

Anyhow, here are my...

Suggestions for a Safe Meetup

(06-07-2016 09:05 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

What's to stop some white knight from lying a shit load on the forum, hosting a meet-up, getting all the numbers and then doxxing all the guys involved?-

I do believe there is a relatively straightforward solution if you're truly worried about this, as noted in Roosh's "How To Securely Communicate And Meet With Thought Criminals" post [ref 2].

My summary:

1. Do not disclose any identifying information or contact details on the forum, including via PM,
2. Use a burner email or anonymous app to organise the meetup [ref 2,3,4]
3. Look at their online rep (see point 7),
4. Meet in a public place
5. Consider that once you meet someone in person it is FAR easier to verify their intentions and their congruence of who they say they are (see point 8), compared to looking at their online profile only,
6. Don’t ask overly specific personal questions at the start.

Bonus points:

7. Consider how many RvF members they have met--if a guy has been verified by 2 or more other members then it is very unlikely that he is a threat to you.*
8. Go approaching together--if a guy is trying to get laid and/or wing for you then he is probably fine =),
9. Rock your RvF ring or use the secret handshake;



*There will always be a few weirdos that slip through the cracks as per any men's group -- especially some younger guys who have long been socially malnourished -- however this is somewhat inevitable and not a serious issue (solution: just don't meet them again), especially when you consider the larger problem seems to be feminists and white knights trying to 'out' you online.

Further reading:

1. thread-3383.html ('Finalized Forum Rules')
2. http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-securely-co...-criminals
3. https://prism-break.org/en/ (online privacy resources)
4. https://theintercept.com/2015/11/12/edwa...r-privacy/ (privacy discussion and resources)

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

It takes me a very long long time to rep someone, not because I'm skeptical of reps but mostly because I'm absent-minded and it takes many great posts for me to start remembering someone (barring them having a hilarious username like Tiger Mandingo).

However, if I meet someone and there's nothing off about them, I'll almost always rep them. They don't need to be a great player and social machine, they just need to be real and decent people.

[WashedUPVet]

(06-06-2016 07:40 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

This is not infallible by any means, but I go by the following guidelines:

1. What is their post per rep? Calculated by taking the person's # of posts divided by the number of rep points. A posts per rep approaching 50 is generally a solid sign. The LOWER the number generally the better. Keep in mind that generally this metric is more useful for higher post counts. It's easily swayed by a low post count member getting a couple reps and only a few posts. This can still be a good sign, but you have to consider other factors.

Examples as of this post from the top forum posters:
RooshV = 48 PPR (over 16k posts, nearly 8 years creating/posting on this forum)
Samseau = 51 PPR (over 11k posts, member over 6 years)
El Mechanico = 73 PPR (nearly 11k posts, member over 5 years)

Examples from this thread:
samsamsam = 103 PPR
Kona = 37 PPR
justforfun19713 = 2.6 PPR (VERY STRONG, but a low post count)
LINUX = 7.2 PPR (VERY STRONG, post count over 1k)
Merenguero = 57 PPR (over 3k posts, 4 year member)
Anabasis to Desta = 11.7 PPR (over 1k posts, member only 8 months)
cr33pin = 40 PPR (over 4k posts, member 4.5 years)
CleanSlate = 13 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 7.5 years)
hydrogonian = 35 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 6.5 years)
Suits = 33 PPR (over 5k posts, member 3.5 years)
2Wycked = 19 PPR (2.5k posts, member over 3 years)
Satoshi = 15 PPR (under 500 posts, member over 2.5 years)
kaotic = 61 PPR (over 6k posts, member 2.5 years)
262 = 35 PPR (over 1k posts, member 1.5 years)
Cobra = 13 PPR (1.5k posts, member over 5 years)

2. Length of time as a member is something to consider. Most posters that have been here in the 2-3 year range and higher tend to have more solid contributions.

3. Number of posts is also something to consider. If the member has been here for a long time, has a relatively low number of posts, but a high PPR that's something interesting and should be looked into.

Final word: Let's look at some examples. You should always look at the posts that people link to in their rep points or WHY they repped them. There will always be bullshit rep points but someone with some genuine contribution value to the forum will always have thoughtful rep point descriptions and links to valueable threads/posts. Also, members that have been around longer have gone through the times when there was no rep system or the rep system wasn't really used. Some members post in a lot more joke threads or just post a lot. They add solid value but their PPR is low compared to others because of post volume or being a bit post-whore-y.

Example: el mechanico - 73 PPR - He posts a lot of jokes and sometimes inflammatory statements. However, even in many of his jokes there is wisdom. Not only does he entertain people (which is some of his rep), but he drops knowledge. He has posted data sheets, he's verified a lot of automotive knowledge, etc...

Example: Suits - 33 PPR - If you consider how much of Suits' knowledge dropped and advice given circles around living in China, this is a very solid PPR in context.

Example: Cobra - 13 PPR - With only 1.5k posts and as a member for over 5 years, this is a very impressive PPR.

One last factor that I think is interesting is WHO reps someone. Do they get reps from high post count members who are in very high regard?

For example, if WestIndianArchie reps someone, that has a lot of weight versus a random lower rep member who hasn't been around as long (WIA has a PPR of 20 by the way and a current rep count of 284 which I believe is only bested by Roosh).

I encourage members to look into the posts / reasons that someone gets repped for and consider that strongly.

Finally, I would be remiss to not share my own PPR of ~54 which is actually closer to 50 than I thought. I consider myself a little post-whore-y as I like to post in the Donald Trump Thread and the Everything Else section a bit more than the game section (although I do try to post more in the Newbie Forum when I can). I could say that this is probably more because I've got a LTR for a couple years now, but I don't post that much in the Lifestyle or Deep Forum which would probably help me improve my life at a higher rate.

Solid post, thanks for sharing with me.

[Mercenary]

[Spectrumwalker]

(06-08-2016 05:44 AM)Artiste Wrote:  

9. Rock your RvF ring or use the secret handshake;

An RvF ring. Ain't gonna lie that'd be pretty badass. In a time where wandering men seek to be a part of something, would be a good symbol, albeit something discreet, that they are in fact a part of something bigger than themselves. In a strange underground sort of way. Would be cool for meetups.

[Beyond Borders]

I've thought about this long and hard, tossing and turning in bed at night, barely able to sleep.

At one point it all became so much that I broke down in tears...

And I've come to this conclusion.

Any guy with a lot of rep points has to be a closet liberal commie fag. Obviously trying to overcompensate for his weaknesses and low worth as a man.

There's simply no way around this.

[AnonymousBosch]

(06-06-2016 07:40 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Examples from this thread:
samsamsam = 103 PPR
Kona = 37 PPR
justforfun19713 = 2.6 PPR (VERY STRONG, but a low post count)
LINUX = 7.2 PPR (VERY STRONG, post count over 1k)
Merenguero = 57 PPR (over 3k posts, 4 year member)
Anabasis to Desta = 11.7 PPR (over 1k posts, member only 8 months)
cr33pin = 40 PPR (over 4k posts, member 4.5 years)
CleanSlate = 13 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 7.5 years)
hydrogonian = 35 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 6.5 years)
Suits = 33 PPR (over 5k posts, member 3.5 years)
2Wycked = 19 PPR (2.5k posts, member over 3 years)
Satoshi = 15 PPR (under 500 posts, member over 2.5 years)
kaotic = 61 PPR (over 6k posts, member 2.5 years)
262 = 35 PPR (over 1k posts, member 1.5 years)
Cobra = 13 PPR (1.5k posts, member over 5 years)

I see Nasa Test Pilot on that list.

[Kona]

(07-01-2018 05:34 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 07:40 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Examples from this thread:
samsamsam = 103 PPR
Kona = 37 PPR (Huge Penis)
justforfun19713 = 2.6 PPR (VERY STRONG, but a low post count)
LINUX = 7.2 PPR (VERY STRONG, post count over 1k)
Merenguero = 57 PPR (over 3k posts, 4 year member)
Anabasis to Desta = 11.7 PPR (over 1k posts, member only 8 months)
cr33pin = 40 PPR (over 4k posts, member 4.5 years)
CleanSlate = 13 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 7.5 years)
hydrogonian = 35 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 6.5 years)
Suits = 33 PPR (over 5k posts, member 3.5 years)
2Wycked = 19 PPR (2.5k posts, member over 3 years)
Satoshi = 15 PPR (under 500 posts, member over 2.5 years)
kaotic = 61 PPR (over 6k posts, member 2.5 years)
262 = 35 PPR (over 1k posts, member 1.5 years)
Cobra = 13 PPR (1.5k posts, member over 5 years)

I see Nasa Test Pilot on that list.

I don't.

Aloha!

[RexImperator]

Maybe AB suspects someone.

Hmmm. I wonder if I have the highest PPR. If so, “Top that, mutherphuckkkers!”

[AnonymousBosch]

(07-01-2018 05:37 AM)Kona Wrote:  

I don't.

Aloha!

You know how this works. Remember when you had two people asking about renting your property back in 2016 and you recognised they were the same person? One of his other names is on that list.

[Mercenary]

(07-01-2018 05:34 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 07:40 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Examples from this thread:
samsamsam = 103 PPR
Kona = 37 PPR
justforfun19713 = 2.6 PPR (VERY STRONG, but a low post count)
LINUX = 7.2 PPR (VERY STRONG, post count over 1k)
Merenguero = 57 PPR (over 3k posts, 4 year member)
Anabasis to Desta = 11.7 PPR (over 1k posts, member only 8 months)
cr33pin = 40 PPR (over 4k posts, member 4.5 years)
CleanSlate = 13 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 7.5 years)
hydrogonian = 35 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 6.5 years)
Suits = 33 PPR (over 5k posts, member 3.5 years)
2Wycked = 19 PPR (2.5k posts, member over 3 years)
Satoshi = 15 PPR (under 500 posts, member over 2.5 years)
kaotic = 61 PPR (over 6k posts, member 2.5 years)
262 = 35 PPR (over 1k posts, member 1.5 years)
Cobra = 13 PPR (1.5k posts, member over 5 years)

I see Nasa Test Pilot on that list.

I see him too.


Reminds of this movie scene:

[Fortis]

I think I warrant ALL the reps as reparations for slavery. I will only share them with Kona and Chinito Loco. This covers the Blacks, Asians and Polynesians. Indians will need to wait in line.

[Kona]

(07-01-2018 06:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I think I warrant ALL the reps as reparations for slavery. I will only share them with Kona and Chinito Loco. This covers the Blacks, Asians and Polynesians. Indians will need to wait in line.

I got a lot of my points from affirmative action.

Aloha!

[Barron]

I remember assuming that highly repped members were able to pull 7+ but once I witnessed how hype they got over a 6 notch here in Kiev, I started to wonder. The clincher was meeting a couple of their girlfriends... That was when I differentiated between rep and respect.
Write a long-winded agreeable post in the political thread or tell a lay story with extended quotes between yourself and the three 9s you convinced to buy you drinks before requesting to blow you and you've got a winning formula for rep points from the incel gallery.
Just like building an Instagram following, if you want rep points you only need convey a feel-good story that hits home.
Conflating rep with respect is like looking at someone with a PhD in theatre like they're Harrison Ford.

[Cobra]

(07-01-2018 06:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I think I warrant ALL the reps as reparations for slavery. I will only share them with Kona and Chinito Loco. This covers the Blacks, Asians and Polynesians. Indians will need to wait in line.

I'm waiting... in line.

[cascadecombo]

(07-01-2018 06:48 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 05:34 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 07:40 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Examples from this thread:
samsamsam = 103 PPR
Kona = 37 PPR
justforfun19713 = 2.6 PPR (VERY STRONG, but a low post count)
LINUX = 7.2 PPR (VERY STRONG, post count over 1k)
Merenguero = 57 PPR (over 3k posts, 4 year member)
Anabasis to Desta = 11.7 PPR (over 1k posts, member only 8 months)
cr33pin = 40 PPR (over 4k posts, member 4.5 years)
CleanSlate = 13 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 7.5 years)
hydrogonian = 35 PPR (almost 2k posts, member 6.5 years)
Suits = 33 PPR (over 5k posts, member 3.5 years)
2Wycked = 19 PPR (2.5k posts, member over 3 years)
Satoshi = 15 PPR (under 500 posts, member over 2.5 years)
kaotic = 61 PPR (over 6k posts, member 2.5 years)
262 = 35 PPR (over 1k posts, member 1.5 years)
Cobra = 13 PPR (1.5k posts, member over 5 years)

I see Nasa Test Pilot on that list.

I see him too.

nip:

Since when did suits get targeted for the NTP witch hunt?

[PapayaTapper]

(07-01-2018 08:25 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

I remember assuming that highly repped members were able to pull 7+ but once I witnessed how hype they got over a 6 notch here in Kiev, I started to wonder. The clincher was meeting a couple of their girlfriends... That was when I differentiated between rep and respect.
Write a long-winded agreeable post in the political thread or tell a lay story with extended quotes between yourself and the three 9s you convinced to buy you drinks before requesting to blow you and you've got a winning formula for rep points from the incel gallery.
Just like building an Instagram following, if you want rep points you only need convey a feel-good story that hits home.
Conflating rep with respect is like looking at someone with a PhD in theatre like they're Harrison Ford.

^Repped

[MongolianAbroad]

(06-30-2018 11:06 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 05:44 AM)Artiste Wrote:  

9. Rock your RvF ring or use the secret handshake;

An RvF ring. Ain't gonna lie that'd be pretty badass. In a time where wandering men seek to be a part of something, would be a good symbol, albeit something discreet, that they are in fact a part of something bigger than themselves. In a strange underground sort of way. Would be cool for meetups.

This would work if Roosh would sell the rings (via an anonymous intermediary service), and the rings are only available to posters with 10 reps or more that generally don't post in the politics section.

I wouldn't want to see a ring, then think, "Very cool, let me reciprocally exchange value with this guy," then be treated to a summary of Fox News' content for the day, which I could get for free, or a diatribe on the Jews, which I could also get for free, and has negative value. Those two topics have no competitive edge, versus self-improvement topics which most people are unaware of, be they related to business or game or travel. Those topics, business, game, travel, do have a competitive edge because getting people to divulge hard-earned information isn't easy. Getting people to divulge political opinions is as easy as being within earshot of a person who's unhappy with their life and wants to blame someone else for their own impotence.

So hearing about the latest intentionally outrage-generating click-bait on CNN or on FOX news, in person, as we do here on the forum online, would definitely be a complete waste of my time, as it would quickly kill the value of the ring. There would just be no competitive edge, any other politics forum could have a ring just like it for every member of the Autist Army, available simply for spouting nonsense that sounds like it was well-thought out but is mental swiss-cheese on closer inspection. Closer inspection which usually isn't worth the time of folks actually living happy, fulfilled lives or striving to do so. You just have to realize these folks aren't happy with their life and have a lot of time to spend thinking up masterfully crafted posts that flirt with the banhammer, but don't quite kiss it.

I'm all for the ring, though, it would be pretty cool.

[YoungBlade]

Would it use the typical roosh v logo?

[debeguiled]

http://www.bjwmagicaljewelers.com/store/..._Ring.html

[Tactician]

Not trying to suck anyone's dick here, but I'll do a small appreciation post.

Off the top of my head, two of my favourite posts are:

The Lindy video by Fisto:

and Five Game Tips I Learned From My Dad by CleanSlate.

There are 5 'lessons' in that post and each one is gold. e.g.

Quote:

2. Use the Phrase "Yes, And…" to Agree-and-Pivot

Quote:

Saying the word "but" would have the effect of closing their ears and raising their guard. The word "but" alerts them that you’re going to disagree.

Hearing "yes, and" in response to your point keeps your guard down and you’re not prepared for a disagreement. Then, when you hear him saying something diametrically opposed to the point you just made, you’re suddenly confused… "wait a minute, is he agreeing with me? what he just said was different than… but did I hear him correctly?"

Also, now and then I tell the "Ask 3 times marriage story" because it's badass.

Go read the post if you haven't already. It's probably one of the top posts on the Forum, not only because the ideas are both great and applicable, but also because they are so memorable. Money back guarantee.

edit: grammar.

[beta_plus]

(07-01-2018 04:37 PM)Tactician Wrote:  

...
Also, now and then I tell the "Ask 3 times marriage story" because it's badass.

...

I hate to be a jerk but can you provide a link? I tried a google search but all I got was confused.

[Comte De St. Germain]

^CleanSlate's story on how his dad got married among other things about his dad.

thread-51540...pid1144241



The entire post is written gold.

(11-07-2015 07:50 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Someone said in the how-many-men-did-your-mom-sleep-with thread that I should write about my dad.

(Mercenary, thanks for the lightning bolt of inspiration!)

I’d explained that before my mom met my dad (both born in Lebanon), she had an alpha boyfriend for whom she stole food and loaded ammunition into semi-auto AK-47 rifles during the onset of the Lebanese civil war in the early 70s. She was only 17 at the time.

Yet, when my mom met my dad, she forever devoted herself to him, and remains so even past my dad’s death 8 years ago. They had a marriage that both men and women could dream of having. My mother still wears her wedding ring to this day. I keep wondering if she’ll start dating again, but I don’t think she’s even tried doing that.

My dad had mad game. He was a people’s person with street smarts. He didn't teach me game, but I still learned a few things from him by watching him.

I’m not sure if his game would be fully effective in today’s world, but if I could ever become half the man he was, I’d consider that a damned good accomplishment. He had very strong frame control. You could simply not break his frame. I’ve never seen my dad get rattled by anyone.

He might not have collected tons of notches through sport fucking like some of the veterans here. Even I think I have more notches than he had at his age. But I don’t think that was what he wanted. He also lived in a VASTLY different time and culture than the present. No PC feminist horse shit.

He was no James Bond either, didn’t have any extraordinary looks. He stood at 5’6, looked more like a darker skinned William Shatner with brown eyes, and sported a pot belly.

If he were my age today and he wanted notches, then he’d probably kill it. But I don’t think he would be happy. Not remotely. He would be a mismatch with today’s world. He was born at the right time, and he died at the right time - for him.

Without further ado, here are some things I learned from him.

1. Ask Three Times. If You Get Three No’s, The Answer Will Always Be No.

Most people ask only once. One "no", they give up. A much smaller percentage would even ask a second time. After a second "no", it’s a very rare person who would ask a third time.

My dad made it a point to ask three times before moving on. Whether it was trying to make a sale, have someone hire him for a job, asking me to go get an ice cream with him for some father-son time, and even asking my mom to marry him!

At age 39, he met my mother, who was 19 at the time. Within only three weeks*** he’d asked her to marry him. He actually asked her THREE times! The first time, my mother laughed and said, "no, I barely know you."

The second time, only a week later, she didn’t laugh. She stared at him, "are you serious? no, I can’t do that."

Another week later, my dad asked her yet again to marry him. She finally said yes. As my parents relayed this story to me, I kept asking my mom what made her change her mind. She said she couldn’t explain it. She said she thought if a man were brave enough to ask her to marry him after getting rejected twice, then he must be really serious about getting - and staying - married. All my mom really wanted was a man who would stay with her, and once she’d found that, she would give him everything she had. And she did.

Thank goodness he had the cajones to get rejected twice and try again a third time! If he were like anybody else, I wouldn’t even be here.

*** Special note: my dad already knew my mother’s parents long before he actually met my mother herself. Members of their respective families had done business together before, and Dad became friends with some of my mom’s family members. He’d gotten to know my mother’s parents very well years prior to meeting my mom. It was not like he just swooped into my mom’s life out of nowhere and suddenly blurted out the big question.

In a less extreme example when I was a kid, I was playing video games when Dad asked me if I wanted to go out for an ice cream with him. I said, "no thanks, I’m playing."

Ten minutes later, he said "it’s a beautiful day out! I’d pay ten dollars for a day like this! You sure you don’t want to come outside, take a walk with me, have some ice cream?"

I said, "sorry Dad, I’m playing video games. I’m about to level up right here."

Another ten minutes, Dad comes by and says "How about that ice cream? I want to get this rocky road ice cream, and you can eat however many scoops you want. I know you like chocolate chip…" licking his lips and raising his eyebrows with a mischievous look.

"Alright, I’ll go."

2. Use the Phrase "Yes, And…" to Agree-and-Pivot

Those two simple words may have possibly saved his life and my mom’s as well. From the stories they told me just before I went to college, they’d gotten themselves into a dangerous hostage situation and my dad talked their way out of it.

Here’s the story. At the time my parents got married, war was breaking out in Lebanon.

Let me back up a bit. My dad had gone to college in the US and worked as a professor through the late 50s and 60s, visiting Lebanon frequently and staying over the summers when school was out. He even married an American woman, had two kids (half brothers), and then divorced because he and his ex-wife couldn’t get along.

In the 60s, life in Lebanon was quite good. Great, in fact. Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East. Then the war began. It started out slowly, though. Pockets of guerilla street warfare. Skirmishes. Faction infighting. Raids. Looting. That was around the time my mother got involved with the alpha boyfriend and loading ammo for semi-automatics.

The Lebanese currency cratered with hyperinflation. Before the war, one dollar USD was equivalent to about 2-3 Lebanese pounds. Today 1 USD gives you 1500 Lebanese pounds. Everyone became poor. Stealing food became common.

My father’s family also became poor so he took all his money from the US to Lebanon to help them.

It wasn’t yet an all out war with daily bombs going off when my parents got married, but both of their families were telling them they needed to get out, and fast. So they gathered their things and tried to get to Syria by car, but they didn’t make it. They got car jacked, lost all their things, their money stolen, and both were pushed into a building where other hostages were held for several hours.

When dad kept trying to talk to the captors, they beat him up and threatened to shoot him if he didn’t shut up. Their building got shot at twice in separate gunfights. One of their captors got killed.

Now, I really don’t know how exactly he did it, but my dad eventually talked down the hostage takers and into letting them all go. ALL the hostages. While he was telling me this story, he could not remember everything he said, but he was constantly using the phrase "yes, and…"

Imagine, when you’re arguing with someone, you’re always saying "no, that’s wrong!", "no, but…", "yes, but…", and so on. Instead, my dad agrees and pivots. This is a little different from our agree-and-amplify tactic for disarming resistance from women.

Here’s how it works:

When you make a counterpoint in disagreement with what your opponent is saying, you say "yes, and…" then make your counterpoint. And. Not but.

Saying the word "but" would have the effect of closing their ears and raising their guard. The word "but" alerts them that you’re going to disagree.

Hearing "yes, and" in response to your point keeps your guard down and you’re not prepared for a disagreement. Then, when you hear him saying something diametrically opposed to the point you just made, you’re suddenly confused… "wait a minute, is he agreeing with me? what he just said was different than… but did I hear him correctly?"

As a result, his hostage takers were reduced to a state of confusion, and they agreed to let them go.

He continued to use this agree-and-pivot tactic throughout his career and even on my mother. It’s incredible how it works when I use this.

3. Nip The First Sign of Disrespect Right In The Bud

If I could name one fault my father had, I’d say he had a hot temper. Even the smallest things could set him off. But not just any small thing. Only when it involves disrespect. My dad is firmly old school when it came to respect. He did not tolerate an ounce of disrespect from anyone, not from his wife, not from me, not from his boss, and certainly not from some budding feminist. No one.

Whenever my father even sniffed the smallest sign of disrespect, he’d smack you right down with his sharp biting words. Not with verbal abuse, though. He has never called anyone names.

Try to talk right back at him, he’d cut you off mid sentence. If I could pick a movie scene to best describe it, I would go with The Negotiator scene where Samuel Jackson smacks down an amateur negotiator: "You can't talk me down! You can't make me change the deadline. Now get me Sabian!" The negotiator could barely get a few meek words out as Samuel Jackson kept cutting him off.

I’d watch him slice and dice customer service on the phone a-la Samuel Jackson and get the cable company to do whatever he wanted. Then he’d smile and say “thank you very much, have a good evening,” and hang up the phone.

Whenever I interrupted him while he was talking, he’d look me in the eye and sternly say "shut up and listen." He’d say that to my mother when she interrupted him, too. How many husbands out there today would dare say anything like that to their wives??

We’d go out to family dinners at restaurants, and Dad would insist on picking up the check. It was more than wanting to "provide" for his family, it was fundamentally about respect for him. I don’t quite understand it myself, but that’s how Dad felt. When someone would dare reach for the check, my dad would shoot a withering stare until the other person timidly drew his hand back. He even made a huge scene once, at a big family dinner in the restaurant because someone took the check before he did.

Once people got to know my father a little, they would not dare disrespect him. He’s one of those people whom you’d meet, and you’d know right away he’s not one of those who can be fucked with.

In his marriage with my mother, he never once showed weakness. Not once did he allow my mom to disrespect him without a verbal smackdown putting her in her place. I’ll say he could have accomplished the same more effectively with a slightly cooler temper, though.

4. Master the Art of Sweet Talking Without Being Ingratiating

He had a knack for sweet talking without being obviously brown-nosy. I can’t say too much about it, but he was a master at this and at getting anyone to do anything he wanted. This is one of those times where I wish I weren’t deaf so I could hear everything he was saying.

But he did not go around buttering up everyone. Instead, he’d get them curious first. He’d ramble, talk around the compliment he intends to give, and only when the person is expectantly listening for the next word out of his mouth, that’s when he’d lay it on thick.

He did tell me one story, in detail, that is a great example. I remember it very well.

He was driving on the way home when he got pulled over for speeding. When he handed over his license and registration, he asked the cop "sir, may I ask you a question? If you don’t mind my asking, where are you from?"

Cop: "Why do you ask?"
Dad: "Well, I was just wondering because…"
Cop: "Because what?"
Dad: "Oh, it’s nothing really… you just remind me of…"
Cop: "Of what?"
Dad: "Well…you do look a little like my son. You see, he’s an athlete, a swimmer, and he has a big race tomorrow..."
Cop: "Is that so?"

Cop goes back to his car, sits there for a few minutes, and comes back to my dad: "Alright, I’ll leave you off with a warning. Slow down, alright?"

I thought it was interesting that he didn’t come right out and say the cop looked like me, not from the outset. I think my father believed that if he said it right off the bat, the cop would think he’s trying to get out of a speeding ticket. Cop would have strengthened his resolve to not fall for it. Instead, he got the cop hooked, increased his curiosity, and then complimented him after much hesitation.

When he told me this (when he got home, right after the incident), I asked him "you said that to get out of that speeding ticket, didn’t you?"

He played innocent, "oh, he was a nice guy" and smiled. Right. Clever sneaky fella.

5. Do Talk to Strangers

Almost everyone in my childhood told me "don’t talk to strangers!"

Except my dad. Whenever I’d go with him to do errands, pick up the mail from the US Post Office, or pick up his diabetic medication, he’d chat up complete strangers anytime, anywhere. Completely random. He wasn’t trying to get women’s phone numbers or anything like that. He just enjoyed talking to people.

I don’t know what he says or what topics he’d bring up, but he’d crack a joke and make people laugh. He made it look so easy. I’m sure he was using most of the day game principles that are discussed in this forum, but he wasn’t even aware of "game" or anything like that. He was just randomly talking to whoever crossed his path.

Sure, some people did not want to be talked to, and were rude to him. After walking away, he’d look at me, make a face, say "such a sourpuss", and we’d have a good laugh about it. Classic DGAF attitude. I’ve seen him talk to beautiful women, and some even flirted with him. Mind you, he was in his 50s and 60s, and hot chicks MY age were flirting with him! It was incredible.

I fondly remember one time Dad was visiting my university, and he took myself and my friends out to dinner. We went to Hooters, got a table, and my father started talking to the waitresses. He was making them laugh. They were standing there next to him, with their tits prominently showing, and they were playing with their hair. I could see he was asking them where they were from, what they were studying at school, and then going off on random tangents from there. My friends were completely nonplussed, watching in bemused silence. I will NEVER forget that evening.

One evening, I asked my dad how he did it. He said you have to enjoy talking to people, getting to know them a little, and try to make them smile before you go separate ways. I asked him what he talked about with them. He didn’t really give me a concrete answer, but he did say he never talked about himself unless they asked.

He said, "people love to talk about themselves. So I ask questions about them, and they talk and talk!"

My father never really talked about himself. I didn’t really know him all that well until I was in my 20s. Only when I started asking him specific questions about his past, who his parents were, his war stories, and how he talked to all those strangers, did I learn much more about the man himself.

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So in sum, these were the things I learned from my father. Not sure if this is anything new or groundbreaking for you guys here, but he was one of the true naturals I know. He understood people. Part of me wishes that he’d explained more to me, but I don’t think he truly knew how to put it in words. If, as a young man, he wanted to go after notches, he would absolutely kill it.

I’ve tried mimicking him when talking to strangers, but it didn’t work quite as well as it did for him. Plus the gimmicky PUA stuff led me astray for a long time.

As for today’s era vs my father’s era, they are very different, yes. I don’t think my dad would enjoy today’s era as much as he did in his own. He is very old school. He’s against gays and lesbians. Said they are “unnatural” with a tone of disgust. If he saw how big the LGBTQ movement is along with unfettered feminazism today, he would be appalled and very distressed.

I enjoyed writing about him in this post. Trips down the memory lane. 8 years since his passing, and not a day passes without a thought of my old man.

[Geomann180]

(07-01-2018 06:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I think I warrant ALL the reps as reparations for slavery. I will only share them with Kona and Chinito Loco. This covers the Blacks, Asians and Polynesians. Indians will need to wait in line.

(07-01-2018 06:59 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 06:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I think I warrant ALL the reps as reparations for slavery. I will only share them with Kona and Chinito Loco. This covers the Blacks, Asians and Polynesians. Indians will need to wait in line.

I got a lot of my points from affirmative action.

Aloha!

I identify as black, gay, handicapped (I believe in a flat earth), and Jewish.

All your reparations are belong to me.

Rep points pls.

G

[Kona]

(07-02-2018 08:20 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 06:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I think I warrant ALL the reps as reparations for slavery. I will only share them with Kona and Chinito Loco. This covers the Blacks, Asians and Polynesians. Indians will need to wait in line.

(07-01-2018 06:59 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 06:53 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I think I warrant ALL the reps as reparations for slavery. I will only share them with Kona and Chinito Loco. This covers the Blacks, Asians and Polynesians. Indians will need to wait in line.

I got a lot of my points from affirmative action.

Aloha!

I identify as black, gay, handicapped (I believe in a flat earth), and Jewish.

All your reparations are belong to me.

Rep points pls.

G

I deleted the one I gave you before and gave you a new one. Like the white man did with my peoples land.

Aloha!