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Quote: (11-13-2015 09:35 AM)Saga Wrote:
I'm sure the answers involve some complex legalese, but does anyone here know of any reasonably developed countries which don't operate on the basis of "she takes 50% and the kids and he has to grin and bear it" divorce laws?
Quote: (11-13-2015 07:04 AM)T and A Man Wrote:
Man, sounds like a lot of "fake it til you make it" responses here. Who here is married, and thinks they have it working?
I am married. She's non Western, and we have a direction i am happy with.
I will caveat, I knew I wanted to have children one day at age 19. Not to have them at 19, but it was going to happen. Guess what? You need a woman for that.
With what we know with game, its all about you need to be a certain type of man. Roissy describes it best, and I will agree, when you're not prepared for it, its a shock to find out the real nature of women. Once you do, and then know how to deal with it, you prepare properly.
The more mature of us hope we're guiding the rest of you that way.
Firstly, western environs are toxic. They submit too much power to female whims. You have to then extends beyond the reach of western jurisdictions.
Its about establishing control of your life. Once you do, you invite the mother of your children into your life. If you've got your shit together, she's invited because she offers the rights eggs for your children, and the proper nurturing instinct to run your household.
To the OP, it sounds like you've got a proper woman, you just need to structure the other stuff
Quote: (11-13-2015 06:32 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:
I agree, but there are times when fear is irrational and times when it is warranted. Many of us travel to areas more dangerous than our home countries because the reward is greater than the risk. I don't see an upside to getting married in the west, so I think the fear is warranted and the risks aren't worth it. It's often overlooked that a woman demanding marriage is coming from a fear-based perspective. She is afraid of being discarded sometime in the future, and getting formally married is a way for her to allay that fear.
I'm not ready to settle down quite yet, but when I find a woman that I want to have a family with, I think this fear will have to be addressed. They have to understand that marriage changes nothing in the modern era, that if I wanted to discard her I could simply file for divorce, and that if I choose to start a family with her I will do whatever I can to support her and our children. If her family pressured her or she was religious, I would suggest we could be informally married without the paperwork. If she still demands marriage after that, then I wouldn't trust her intentions.
Quote: (11-13-2015 09:35 AM)Saga Wrote:
I'm sure the answers involve some complex legalese, but does anyone here know of any reasonably developed countries which don't operate on the basis of "she takes 50% and the kids and he has to grin and bear it" divorce laws?
Quote: (11-13-2015 03:54 PM)Robert JS Wrote:
Before you commit yourself to marriage I highly recommend this:
Find a forum for divorcing couples in your country and read it thoroughly.
After this you should be in a good position to evaluate the risk you're about to take.
I've done this for my country and it was full of posts by broken men and gleeful women eager to claim their cash and prizes.
Quote: (11-13-2015 03:54 PM)Robert JS Wrote:
My opinion is that however wonderful she is today, your girl is not going to be the same way for the rest of her life.
She can and probably will change
Quote: (11-13-2015 03:52 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:
I remember that "most of your RVFers will get married someday thread" as well. The more time that goes by, the more I'm thinking that I'll remain determined to stay in the camp that doesn't. My biggest desire in life has been and remains freedom. Marriage is sacrificing that, or at least compromising it to a large degree. Imagine yourself in future years - do you want the option to move to, live, and work anywhere? To spend time with whomever your heart desires in any given moment? Spend the fruits of your labor and time on any hobby or pursuit you deem worthy? If yes to any of these, I just can't see marriage working out for you. Children and the possible avoidance of loneliness in old age are the main arguments for marriage and they just don't make it worth it for me, at least not now. And as mentioned above, you can't slack off on your game just because your married.
Quote: (11-13-2015 01:22 AM)saoconrado40 Wrote:
I'm around the same age as Roosh (35) so I've been reading with interest his recent columns. I can totally relate to so much of what he is saying. Young fellas in their 20s smashing sluts on the regular probably can't comprehend this, but you do evolve as a man and start getting sick of the smorgasbord of sluts out there these days. You get to the point where mediocre just wont cut the mustard. I don't want to bang a Tinder whore with blue hair and a bull ring piercing just because I can...
I want something more, and I have a great girlfriend from the Ukraine who I have been seeing for a couple of years now. She is definitely keen on getting married, and you know what, in a bygone era I honestly would have been happy to take the plunge. But these days? I just can't see it being worth the risk. Do many of you other guys feel the same? We live together, I'm happy, I just can't see what benefit it would possibly bring to my life. All I can see is wasting tonnes of money on one day and possibly getting divorce raped down the track. She has solid family values, but I look at some of my mates who have been absolutely reamed and honestly I'm shit scared of suffering the same fate. One of my mates was married for about 8 years, then one day his wife comes home and says she's not in love with him anymore. Goodbye house, goodbye car. He looks fucking depressed, he's a shadow of his former self. Turns out she's been fucking a guy at her law firm for two years! Another mate, he had a house, car etc and then his girl decides she's a lesbian and leaves him. Not only that, she was a real bitch in the divide up, milking him for everything he had despite her being in the wrong. Both girls seemed like solid girlfriends and wives. It was scary as shit to see them turn so quickly.
It's sad. I'm a red pill guy, but honestly I'm at the stage where I'm happy to settle down with a good woman and start my family. But I look at all I have to lose, and it is truly terrifying. I used to bang a lot of sluts back in the day, and I'm definitely over them. I see what's out there these days in the singles market and 99% of them are trashy whores. My girl cooks for me, cleans for me, and does all kinds of nice things for me, has DD tits, a hot body and a sexy face. She leaves them for dead.. but how can I totally be sure given my mate's experiences?
Feminism sure has a lot to answer for - it has completely destroyed relationships between men and women. One thing that definitely pisses me off is that the media decries the problems women have finding a marriageable man, but these articles never properly explain that women have caused men to rightly fear the institution.
Thoughts? Anyone in a similar position?
Quote: (11-13-2015 10:30 PM)MrLemon Wrote:
Let's be honest. You don't want to get married. You are just getting pressured by her, and you're coming here to rationalize and waffle.
You don't need to cave to her pressuring. Just say no. If the leaves you, let her.
Quote: (11-13-2015 09:58 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:
This right here is the truth. You want to bring a woman onto your team, not create one together.
There is also a secondary revelation in inviting a woman into a life that you already have running like clockwork. That revelation is that she has to drop everything that she has built for herself. If you go an work full time for a new employer, do you get to walk in there and tell them the conditions of your job, when you'll show up for work and that you'll be taking a bunch of time off because you have other obligations? No. You submit to the conditions of your employment.
If you have a life built that can handle another person in it, invite a woman in who will also leave all of her shit behind. You want her to put her loyalty and her fate 100% into your hands.