[bixperience]

Im going to Poland (Wroclaw) on the next month. I was searching jobs there and i finally found one.

Now, on this days im using tinder to find matches. Theres this girl who opened me and was interested, got her fb and all stuff, she was really sweet and interesting to talk, she seemed interested in my hobbies and passions and she is studying an interesting science degree, we have been talking a few times already.

I though that maybe i could be myself with this girl as i though polish girls would appreciate it,so yesterday i told her about this job and she knew that the job isn't well-paid. In fact, there are students who take this job part time, but this is what i got and it gives me enough money for rent and necessary stuff.

To my surprise, she hasn't answered back, and this makes me think that she may be a gold-digger. Should i consider this and stop being myself and play the game/pretend with the polish girls?pump and dump? Should i skip LTRs because of this?


Btw, she opened me with : "what are you doing in wroclaw?".

[ChazKGB]

Chances are, she wanted you to say you were just visiting on business.

The best answer is always, "I cannot talk about what I am doing here."

[Dantes]

(02-08-2015 09:11 AM)bixperience Wrote:  

Im going to Poland (Wroclaw) on the next month. I was searching jobs there and i finally found one.

Now, on this days im using tinder to find matches. Theres this girl who opened me and was interested, got her fb and all stuff, she was really sweet and interesting to talk, she seemed interested in my hobbies and passions and she is studying an interesting science degree, we have been talking a few times already.

I though that maybe i could be myself with this girl as i though polish girls would appreciate it,so yesterday i told her about this job and she knew that the job isn't well-paid. In fact, there are students who take this job part time, but this is what i got and it gives me enough money for rent and necessary stuff.

To my surprise, she hasn't answered back, and this makes me think that she may be a gold-digger. Should i consider this and stop being myself and play the game/pretend with the polish girls?pump and dump? Should i skip LTRs because of this?


Btw, she opened me with : "what are you doing in wroclaw?".

Don't proceed with girls in general just based on one Tinder message. If you are looking for specific ways on how to proceed, I suggest you provide more details...age, what is your job?

[bixperience]

I am 24, i will probably work as a Spanish teacher (still under interview approval, but the interviewer seemed pretty interested) . It gives me enough money to rent a flat, get a gym membership, and eat properly, also a lot of free time.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-08-2015 09:11 AM)bixperience Wrote:  

Im going to Poland (Wroclaw) on the next month. I was searching jobs there and i finally found one.

Now, on this days im using tinder to find matches. Theres this girl who opened me and was interested, got her fb and all stuff, she was really sweet and interesting to talk, she seemed interested in my hobbies and passions and she is studying an interesting science degree, we have been talking a few times already.

I though that maybe i could be myself with this girl as i though polish girls would appreciate it,so yesterday i told her about this job and she knew that the job isn't well-paid. In fact, there are students who take this job part time, but this is what i got and it gives me enough money for rent and necessary stuff.

To my surprise, she hasn't answered back, and this makes me think that she may be a gold-digger. Should i consider this and stop being myself and play the game/pretend with the polish girls?pump and dump? Should i skip LTRs because of this?

Btw, she opened me with : "what are you doing in wroclaw?".

Read up on Rationalmale http://therationalmale.com/ - also your Game seems to be lacking.

ALL women are gold-diggers to some degree or another. If she does a science degree, then you can bet your left nut-sack that she is likely not doing it out of radiant interest in science. Most of those girls do it to have a career.

Some EE girls look for Mr. Right at the age of 22-24 and there is nothing wrong with that.

Also girls will either classify you as the BetaBucks provider or AlphaFucks exciting guy for one night.

Tinder is more r-selected AF, but your Game squarely seems to have positioned you into boyfriend BB-category. But since your job displayed to her, that you have too low career-focus for her BB-long-term-boyfriend status, then it was over. She is not a gold-digger because of it. If you studied aeronautic engineering and did Erasmus in Wroclaw for 6 months you would be in the race.

So essentially her reaction does not automatically mean that she is looking for a sugar-daddy. Since you are 24 the likelihood of her wanting a sugar-daddy is low.

Also stop making claims of girls being such and such somewhere - given the exact same circumstances girls will likely become everywhere the same way. In some countries the formative circumstances are better and thus higher is the quality of the girls - Poland certainly beats Spain or all Western countries in that respect.

[bixperience]

(02-08-2015 02:13 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 09:11 AM)bixperience Wrote:  

Im going to Poland (Wroclaw) on the next month. I was searching jobs there and i finally found one.

Now, on this days im using tinder to find matches. Theres this girl who opened me and was interested, got her fb and all stuff, she was really sweet and interesting to talk, she seemed interested in my hobbies and passions and she is studying an interesting science degree, we have been talking a few times already.

I though that maybe i could be myself with this girl as i though polish girls would appreciate it,so yesterday i told her about this job and she knew that the job isn't well-paid. In fact, there are students who take this job part time, but this is what i got and it gives me enough money for rent and necessary stuff.

To my surprise, she hasn't answered back, and this makes me think that she may be a gold-digger. Should i consider this and stop being myself and play the game/pretend with the polish girls?pump and dump? Should i skip LTRs because of this?

Btw, she opened me with : "what are you doing in wroclaw?".

Read up on Rationalmale http://therationalmale.com/ - also your Game seems to be lacking.

ALL women are gold-diggers to some degree or another. If she does a science degree, then you can bet your left nut-sack that she is likely not doing it out of radiant interest in science. Most of those girls do it to have a career.

Some EE girls look for Mr. Right at the age of 22-24 and there is nothing wrong with that.

Also girls will either classify you as the BetaBucks provider or AlphaFucks exciting guy for one night.

Tinder is more r-selected AF, but your Game squarely seems to have positioned you into boyfriend BB-category. But since your job displayed to her, that you have too low career-focus for her BB-long-term-boyfriend status, then it was over. She is not a gold-digger because of it. If you studied aeronautic engineering and did Erasmus in Wroclaw for 6 months you would be in the race.

So essentially her reaction does not automatically mean that she is looking for a sugar-daddy. Since you are 24 the likelihood of her wanting a sugar-daddy is low.

Also stop making claims of girls being such and such somewhere - given the exact same circumstances girls will likely become everywhere the same way. In some countries the formative circumstances are better and thus higher is the quality of the girls - Poland certainly beats Spain or all Western countries in that respect.

I know about rationalmale , illimitablemen, and all the TRP stuff. i been lurking those places for months.


Also i can say that my game is not the best, but is much better than before and i done good stuff in the past. I though that polish girls needed almost no game and that i could be myself.

I can prove that i started playing the game well, here is part of our conversation :


HER: hey what are you doing in wroclaw

ME: hey , i will be working, how about you?

HER: just living here

HER: studying

ME: thats nice, i herd wroclaw is a student town

ME: are you studying hard or party hard? ;-)

HER: now study hard because of finals but only for a week haha

HER: then party hard for 4 months again

HER: crazy b here

ME: hahaha what the fk

HER: haha xd

ME: and let me guess. you saw a spanish dj and you went all crazy
(IM A DJ ASWELL)

HER: lol

HER: nope

HER: dj xd dont be so serious

HER: are u even good in this?

ME: please,im the best.

HER: haha rly

ME: i dont know why you are even asking me that, look at how swag i am.

HER: swag

HER: i dont see that

HER: xD

ME: i cant hear you by the sound of how swag i am. beat that

HER: hahahaa

HER: ok

HER: maybe

HER: you r good

ME: thanks, your kind of cute so you can have some swag.

HER: oh dear god thank you

ME : your welcome ;-)


But after this i read on polish girls and read bang poland again and it gave me the feeling that maybe i could be myself with this girl and not play games. So basically i put my guard down with this girl, and then it went downhill. so AWALT basically, even in polski girls.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-08-2015 03:35 PM)bixperience Wrote:  

...

But after this i read on polish girls and read bang poland again and it gave me the feeling that maybe i could be myself with this girl and not play games. So basically i put my guard down with this girl, and then it went downhill. so AWALT basically, even in polski girls.

You positioned yourself at first as the DJ loverboy and then moved towards Beta-provider-frame. Possibly that she is more party girl - certainly not looking for Mr. Right - only Mr. Right now.

You can be yourself - just let Game be a part of yourself with women Your compliment was too luke-warm in the end. Sexual spike would be better at that stage already.

She sounds like a normal carousel-riding girl - you will find them everywhere. Bang was written years ago - also Bang Poland - the new generation of women in the prime requires a different set of Game.

[BishesMyron]

I'd echo what zelcorpion said. Your career is a reflection of your intelligence and ambition. It's just something highly valued by women, especially by polish. If you were a freelancer artist who travels around the world then it's a different story.

The girl's studying a scientific degree so obviously a Spanish teacher in a polish city is going to appear as someone of low value to her. Mentioning a girl the university I attend in Poland has always helped me establish instant status and left her in awe.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-08-2015 04:31 PM)BishesMyron Wrote:  

I'd echo what zelcorpion said. Your career is a reflection of your intelligence and ambition. It's just something highly valued by women, especially by polish. If you were a freelancer artist who travels around the world then it's a different story.

The girl's studying a scientific degree so obviously a Spanish teacher in a polish city is going to appear as someone of low value to her. Mentioning a girl the university I attend in Poland has always helped me establish instant status and left her in awe.

Yes - and no, but if you have to mention your university, your job as a pilot or your trust fund to create attraction, then it's just Beta Bucks - you may still have Game, but rely heavily on a k-selection attraction filter. For the wealthy daughter of a millionaire it would be literally ineffective - also for girls from well-off countries - it would mean jack shit. Also I have been in enough clubs in Poland to know that girls don't react to that. One even said to me: "You know that I was hit on by a few men tonight - all lawyers, businessmen and doctors and you are the only one who told me that he is an unemployed vagabond!" Later on we made out. Pussy tingles don't care about your job or your study. But girls who look for future husbands do, so it's not all bad.

And yes - money can in some instances create tingles as well, but only when combined with r-selected Dan Bilzarian-kind of of fun.

[bixperience]

so TLDR : I though polish girls were different because i read about how special they are, and i had a few polish encounters and they seemed interested in myself. I made an "experiment" and put my game down on this girl, i explained her that i wanted to find a job and talking like if i were speaking to a guy. But AWALT, she wanted cockiness and coolness and not LTR stuff. AWALT. Polish girls, game is on.

[berserk]

(02-08-2015 04:46 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 04:31 PM)BishesMyron Wrote:  

I'd echo what zelcorpion said. Your career is a reflection of your intelligence and ambition. It's just something highly valued by women, especially by polish. If you were a freelancer artist who travels around the world then it's a different story.

The girl's studying a scientific degree so obviously a Spanish teacher in a polish city is going to appear as someone of low value to her. Mentioning a girl the university I attend in Poland has always helped me establish instant status and left her in awe.

Yes - and no, but if you have to mention your university, your job as a pilot or your trust fund to create attraction, then it's just Beta Bucks - you may still have Game, but rely heavily on a k-selection attraction filter. For the wealthy daughter of a millionaire it would be literally ineffective - also for girls from well-off countries - it would mean jack shit. Also I have been in enough clubs in Poland to know that girls don't react to that. One even said to me: "You know that I was hit on by a few men tonight - all lawyers, businessmen and doctors and you are the only one who told me that he is an unemployed vagabond!" Later on we made out. Pussy tingles don't care about your job or your study. But girls who look for future husbands do, so it's not all bad.

And yes - money can in some instances create tingles as well, but only when combined with r-selected Dan Bilzarian-kind of of fun.

Some differences in attitude towards that. The poorer the country, the more receptive to status through jobs or university/breeding. Mentioning the right university in Asia seemed imo to serve as attraction trigger. Isn't this also what Roosh described in Bang Ukraine? Or maybe I misunderstood and it was really more of a comfort builder, by showcasing a socially accepted 'in' for her, since I wouldn't be lumped into tourist category.

Now, this has been a problem for me in the past, if I've been heavily invested in work/career and it begins to fill more in my mind as part of my identity. Every time, my experience is that the more proud I feel of my job or biz, the more I want to brag about it and the less play I get from girls. I've simply never had any enthusiastic response to mentioning a job description. Rarely have I seen or heard of anyone getting it either. Banker wankers don't get points either.

On the other hand, I've never even at 'established' age, had problems by being basically homeless (staying with friends) or giving vague nonsense answers to jobs.

Personally, I don't think women really screen for career, they screen for wit (applied intelligence) and boldness (non-threathening dominance). If you've got both, then a girl will simply assume you're doing ok for yourself or has the potential to do well for yourself economically.

I also don't think it helps with establishing a provider mindset. Attraction always first.

I wonder how it works with age though. I assume at some age, the rebel with a cause, becomes less beliveable and passes into underachiever then into pathetic peter pan complex.

[Aaron-]

Am i the only one who cringed at the swag discussion?

[rudebwoy]

^ He was trying to be cute and it came across badly.

[iknowexactly]

When you said you talked to her, did you talk to her or text with her. They are very different.
You can tell a lot more from hearing someone's voice than with text.

[_Samo_]

Why are you bothered about some girl you haven't even met from tinder? Maybe she's just talking to 50 other dudes and missed your message, I think you're over thinking it. It doesn't mean much you had a few nice chat's and got her fb, you can bet she already added 20 other guys who she talked with on Tinder. Though I will say no Polish girls I've ever known personally have asked me for money or cared about how well paying my job is, just send a restart text when you arrive and if she ignores you again just delete her and move on.

[Beirut]

Online game isnt reliable enough to get a read on the girl herself even, imo.

So to generalize based on that on all the girls in Her city, and the whole of Poland, and all of EE, is way too much of a jump. Too results oriented, and a minuscule sample.

(Your conclusion may or may not turn out to be true, but this is certainly no proof of either answer)

[bixperience]

(02-09-2015 03:00 PM)Beirut Wrote:  

Online game isnt reliable enough to get a read on the girl herself even, imo.

So to generalize based on that on all the girls in Her city, and the whole of Poland, and all of EE, is way too much of a jump. Too results oriented, and a minuscule sample.

(Your conclusion may or may not turn out to be true, but this is certainly no proof of either answer)

You sir are right. It was an impulsive response from my part.

[elcidcampeador]

Girls all over the world look for some kind of legitimacy in the men they are with, whether it is for financial security or so that they simply can feel better about themselves (aka, not fucking a sex tourist).

Mentioning work doesn't mean that you are a beta - mentioning that you will take her to dinner and will buy her tickets to Berlin and a weekend in a suite at the Adlon makes you a Beta.

Having a job won't get you laid unless you are a millionaire. You will still need game, but a legitimate job in a country like Poland will surely place you above the sex tourists provided that you have game.

[bojangles]

Girls will be gold diggers if you put yourself in the k selection frame. Regardless of who are.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-10-2015 06:20 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Girls will be gold diggers if you put yourself in the k selection frame. Regardless of who are.

Just 2 days ago I was reminded of that very fact.

I met with a friend of mine and his mistress. He is a good-looking guy (got a model-contract offered in his youth) with a high-powered mid-six-figures corporate job. He has a wife he wants to leave and I met with him and his mistress.

The problem with him is that he is all Alpha in his job and in first level seduction, but in his LTRs he becomes a deep Beta.

His Russian mistress then started to talk about her experiences with other men, that this Swiss guy is all over her and what a big dick another man has. I quickly reprimanded her and she responded by calling me "One of those Russian chauvinists!"

Women become deluded in the environment they are in - she left Russia 10 years ago penniless as an 18 year old girl. Now she is single and riding the carousel hard.

And the crazy part is that she actually wants to have a LTR or marriage with my friend who is about to leave his wife. Women are so abjectly crazy and deluded nowadays that they display their sluttery as some kind of honor badge. Of course she would never do that kind of thing in Russia when trying to woo a high-value man for a relationship. Even if she fucked other men, she would claim innocence. Now the gloves come all of and the crazy bitches feel sufficiently "empowered" to tell a man they are interested in marriage how other guys fuck them well.

This is complete and utter madness! It's as if a kitten in Russia turns to a cannibal Tiger as soon as you release her in the Western zoo. The only think that can explain such a fast transformation is the hamster which is fed crack - on some online portals she got 200 messages of thirsty men within 4 hours! Female hamsters are not equipped to remain sane while being offered 500-1000 cocks per day. They just go crazy with cock-power.



So - women are different and equally the same everywhere. Cultural and regional differences don't overrule their basic makeup of hypergamy, AFBB-dichotomy, etc.

[samsamsam]

She started talking about that right in front of him? Wow just wow.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-10-2015 11:38 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

She started talking about that right in front of him? Wow just wow.

Yeah - well - he fucks his wife, so she thought it would be a good idea to make him jealous and demonstrate that other men want her very much. Of course he has such a high value as a man, that she wants him. But demonstrating that through that kind of open hypergamy and shit-tests to the extreme is just crazy. And a Russian girl after all - 10 years of Western media and pussy-pedestalizing make her feel worthy of Leo DiCaprio. But the truth is that she is a 7 who happens to have a killer body and dresses very sexy - so essentially nothing special. And it gets worse because she is such a slut.

All Red Pill men would instantly disqualify her for anything more than fuckbuddy-dom.

I think women are becoming more daring in their abject disrespect for men. I know that some guys out there claim they have never sensed disrespect, but I cannot really believe that unless you are a master of frame and keep a relationship very short-term.

[swadeshi]

Truth spoken. Although I would expand it to include all women from Eastern Europe....they are only good ....wait for it...in Eastern Europe, all the ones you find in the West fully embrace the garbage attention-whoring, feminist attitude of their Western sisters, and quite quickly, too. Suddenly, they realize that here being a bangable woman is a whole 'nother animal...It's ironic because tomorrow I have a date with a Ukrainian girl here in Toronto, but that's highly unusual..I don't recommend wasting time on a EE girl who's already living in the West and has her papers in order, I also don't recommend bringing them over to the West. One of the biggest disasters will be if Europe opens its borders to Ukraine and Russia, I pray it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

[Aaron-]

Quote:

One of the biggest disasters will be if Europe opens its borders to Ukraine and Russia, I pray it doesn't happen in my lifetime.

Well said, my man.

[Natural Nomad]

(02-10-2015 06:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 06:20 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Girls will be gold diggers if you put yourself in the k selection frame. Regardless of who are.

Just 2 days ago I was reminded of that very fact.

I met with a friend of mine and his mistress. He is a good-looking guy (got a model-contract offered in his youth) with a high-powered mid-six-figures corporate job. He has a wife he wants to leave and I met with him and his mistress.

The problem with him is that he is all Alpha in his job and in first level seduction, but in his LTRs he becomes a deep Beta.

His Russian mistress then started to talk about her experiences with other men, that this Swiss guy is all over her and what a big dick another man has. I quickly reprimanded her and she responded by calling me "One of those Russian chauvinists!"

Women become deluded in the environment they are in - she left Russia 10 years ago penniless as an 18 year old girl. Now she is single and riding the carousel hard.

And the crazy part is that she actually wants to have a LTR or marriage with my friend who is about to leave his wife. Women are so abjectly crazy and deluded nowadays that they display their sluttery as some kind of honor badge. Of course she would never do that kind of thing in Russia when trying to woo a high-value man for a relationship. Even if she fucked other men, she would claim innocence. Now the gloves come all of and the crazy bitches feel sufficiently "empowered" to tell a man they are interested in marriage how other guys fuck them well.

This is complete and utter madness! It's as if a kitten in Russia turns to a cannibal Tiger as soon as you release her in the Western zoo. The only think that can explain such a fast transformation is the hamster which is fed crack - on some online portals she got 200 messages of thirsty men within 4 hours! Female hamsters are not equipped to remain sane while being offered 500-1000 cocks per day. They just go crazy with cock-power.



So - women are different and equally the same everywhere. Cultural and regional differences don't overrule their basic makeup of hypergamy, AFBB-dichotomy, etc.

This is great stuff. The world has gone crazy. I mentioned to a friend recently why it's bad for women to have multiple partners and he argued that I was wrong. Actually I'm going to thread on this. Please comment if you come across it Zel.