[SlickyBoy]

(11-29-2014 11:34 AM)BodiPUA Wrote:  

Some great information here.

I was 6 weeks in Singapore earlier this year. I'd say it was fucking dreadful for game. Daygame: forget it. Nightgame: lots of timewasting small asian girls who look hot but have zero sexual energy whatsoever and are completely socially retarded (like most Singaporeans).

I'm back in Singapore for a short while and never thought of it, but you're right - daygame seems like it would be difficult here. Even Singaporeans admit to some level of social retardation, but I think there are even more factors behind poor day game:

1) White guys/westerners are nothing new and very common, and often loutish (sorry again, drunken Aussies and yobbo Englishmen, but it's kinda true).

2) Although everybody speaks English, what they really speak is "Singlish" which has very different idiomatic expressions, pop culture references and linguistic slights of hand - they just will not get your references at all, hence the fish-in-the-freezer look from them when one attempts daygame.

3) Social norms make it odd, but not impossible, to break into the various circles. Add to this the differences among the various ethnic groups and it could take you a while to figure each one out before realizing success.

4) "White god" factor ruining certain kinds of approaches. White expats are seen for what they are - mostly temporary, reasonably well paid but aloof and a bit condescending to the locals. There are thus only certain women who will ever be interested in expats.

This situation lies in stark contrast to my experience in Korea where even barely knowing the language and having zero understanding of their sense of humor or social mores a western guy (even an older one) could still find female company no problem. Not sure about now but that's how it was a decade or more ago.

The best thing one can do in Singapore if they're single and going to be here for a while is get involved with activities that do not involve exclusively expats. There's nothing worse than listening to an expat housewife moan and groan about how much she hates it here while her laundry and child care is done for peanuts by an Indonesian/Philipina girl as she speaks.

[Laurifer]

Has anyone tried tinder there?

I had a layover there and was actually quite impressed with some matches I got. And if they're swiping right on you as an expat, they're obviously interested.

[SlickyBoy]

^hadn't thought of that but it sounds like a good way to skin the cat, at least partially.

[Agreddor]

Contrary to the above consensus, I can't wait to get out of this country.

Having lived here for 6 years, here's what I dislike about this country:-

1. The weather

It averages 32 deg celcius here with humidity levels exceeding 80% on a daily basis When its not scorching hot, its raining. When I was schooling/ interning I had to carry a winter coat with me because of the dichotonomy between "outside" temperature and "indoor" temperature.

If you intend to come here, make sure you've stocked up on flu medication.

2. The women

The vast majority of women here have flat facial features, round faces, use lots of makeup, do not shave down there, and don't exercise. Notwtihstanding this fact, the average cup size is A, and women here don't seem to have asses. Also, women here tend to be short. The average height ranges from 150cm-165cm.

Singlish is widely spoken, and I doubt anyone finds it "adorable".

Because of the prevalence of social media, many women who are "instagram celebrities" have overinflated egos.

Hell, most girls here have overinflated egos. Women here are sexually conservative and cold approaching in a daygame scenario is basically a kamikaze mission.

I don't do a lot of nightgame so I will not comment on that, but I will tell you that cover charges and taxi fares are exuberant.

The chinese women here can be further broken down into sub-categories.

"Ah lians" - Girls between the ages of 18-25 who smoke, do drugs, have hair dyed in bright colours, hang out with "ah bengs" (chinese gangsters--skinny young men with tattoos symbolising gang affliation), exhibit boorish behaviour (cuss in mandarin, squat while smoking) you get the picture.

Wallflowers:- A large majority of chinese girls are wallflowers. These are the girls who go to church, stay with their parents til they get married, and are basically celibate until marriage.

SPGs: Sarong party girls. Girls who are more sexually liberated and go for "ang mos" (red hair in hokkien aka white guys). If you are looking to bang singaporean chicks, your best bet is an spg. The keyword here is skin colour. I've seen young spgs with fat bald white guys, beta white guys etc... You get the picture


3. The men

The guys here are beta as fuck. If anyone here is on okcupid singapore, I invite you to filter your search to "men aged 18-30" so you'll get an idea of how beta they can be.

Some of the beta things I have heard my peers do (aged 18-25):-

One guy bought a bouquet of bears for this girl who friendzoned him

Insisting on paying for dates

Waiting til marriage

Did I mention the handbag carrying syndrome? Not only do guys hold their girlfriend/dates handbags, they have branded handbags themselves.

Now you might think that with the prevelance of betatude in the country, alphas have it easy.

Well you're wrong. These betas have established a precedent "code of conduct" for dating.

If you are too alpha, chances are that you'll be mistaken for an asshole. Eg. Not paying, you'll be labelled as cheap if you don't do this tacfully. Agressive sexual escalation, might warrant a call to the police, being called a pervert and so on.

4. Among other things I dislike about this country:-

Prevalance of feminism. On top of the penal code, we have another statute called the womens charter which was passed in parliment "in the interests of women"

Culture, what culture? Singapore has no culture, unless you consider an amalgamation of malay, chinese, indian, peranakan and anglo culture to be culture.

Social autism

People are not very well read.

I apoligise if my thoughts are sporadic.

[Cyclone]

(12-15-2014 07:52 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  

Now you might think that with the prevelance of betatude in the country, alphas have it easy.

Well you're wrong. These betas have established a precedent "code of conduct" for dating.

If you are too alpha, chances are that you'll be mistaken for an asshole. Eg. Not paying, you'll be labelled as cheap if you don't do this tacfully. Agressive sexual escalation, might warrant a call to the police, being called a pervert and so on.

This is the biggest shame about Singapore right here. everyone's well aware that Asian countries exhibit beta male culture, but in SP it is so intense that women's reality is literally completely warped by it. in the few dates i've had with locals, my no-bullshit attitude and overall control over the situation, waiter, and direction are so off-putting to the girl that she literally gets puzzled and turned off. They expect you to act beta.... then wonder why they never get turned on



However, i still recommend pushing for Singaporean girls when alls said and done. The 1% out there is extremely cool and DTF. met a gem just last Saturday at CQ who put her # in my phone at lightning speed. Optimism might get you only the 1% that are worth it, but complaining about the scene gets you 0%.
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[Agreddor]

@cyclone: this is why I game tourists. Much less bitchiness to deal with and more responsive to game.

Singapore = beta feminist capital of Asia.

[expectation]

I swung by Singapore last week from last Sunday - Wednesday in between my weekend stays at Jakarta & Kuala Lumpur. There's a reason I placed Singapore on the weekdays and while the other two on weekends and that's because I knew SG would be tamed compared to JKT & KL and I was right.

I used more of a direct game in JKT for Tinder and was able to get results - in SG, you pretty much have to tone it down a bit while at the same time maintain your masculinity. It's a fine line. It also helps a lot that I'm for all purposes an ABC (American Born Chinese) so judging from the posts here, my privilege level in SG is higher than the majority of posters here and I'm able to relate to the locals here culturally not to mention I have a social circle already in placed for me in SE Asia.

During my short time there, I managed to snag a date with a 7 Chinese-Singaporean that rode with me from JKT - SG and snag a bang (part of it may have to do with the fact that I was staying at the Marina Bay Sands for one night). I got a lot of matches in Tinder but was not able to get anything past conversational (not to mention I was only here for 3 days)- I used the same approach as I did in JKT & KL - and with those 2 cities I got 1 bang from Tinder during my weekend stays. Horrible. You definitely do have to tone it down a notch but at the same time, the girls here are not that good looking compared to Indonesia, Vietnam, or Taiwan. There's something about Hokkien girls that makes them average at best.

In any case, out of curiousity, have any of you stumbled into these so called Thai Clubs in SG? A friend of mines got me into Neverland Ranch around Orchard St and Full House Signature in CQ. It was the strangest thing - they were Bars with a large stage in the middle - and they would have these elaborate shows attempting to auction off these Thai hookers for the night. I did not see a single white person in any of my visits there and I got the impression that they only let Chinese looking people in.

[ChasInSin]

The Thai discos are more than happy to let white guys in to spend money. These places are just not popular or well known among expats.

[SlickyBoy]

Full House looks like just an events center, so no telling what went on when you visited that time. Never heard of auctioning off Thai hookers, but who knows.

As for the description of SPGs by Agreddor, they are less prevalent than they were years ago but still around. Mostly Indian, Philippina or Malay girls seeking to get hitched up to a relatively rich expat (white guy), party for a few months or years then pump & dumped. There may be fewer of them with the demise of the highly paid western expats. Companies aren't giving the packages they used to, so westerners that do make it here are usually younger and lower paid with less cash to throw around on SPGs.

The Chinese girls are more likely to be wallflowers. Indeed, a lot of them still wait for marriage but as mentioned, the "ah-liens" with the funky hair are a different beast. For the average Chinese girl living at home, all they want is a stable Chinese guy to provide - little interest in expats, generally. Family honor prevents them from having a flavor of the month boyfriend like the SPG/ah-liens of the world, but as with all things, it's a numbers game.

Have to keep an eye out for dudes with monogrammed handbags - that's fucking scary.

[Brosemite]

(12-15-2014 07:52 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  

If you are too alpha, chances are that you'll be mistaken for an asshole. Eg. Not paying, you'll be labelled as cheap if you don't do this tacfully. Agressive sexual escalation, might warrant a call to the police, being called a pervert and so on.

Kind of sounds like Hong Kong in that sense.

Street approaches (local women or ex-pats) on LKF at nights are tough because there are some aggressive Brits, Aussies, and even African immigrants with persistent gaming attempts minus the subtle demeanors...even worse when they're under the influence of alcohol, haha.

Local Cantonese dudes are super beta too so it sounds similar to local men Singapore.

Would elaborate more, but it would belong in the HK thread though.

Btw, I also heard Singapore feels culture-less. The pretentious westernized food critics call it the culinary capital of Asia though many hardcore East Asians like my family think those peeps are full of shit..hah

[Agreddor]

As it turns out, I am from hongkong and I can tell you fr a fact that if you're fluent in cantonese, you can pull. But youy already knew that.

@brosemite. Singapore is cultureless. Ask any girl what their hobby is and you'll get "cafe hopping", "taking selfies", "shopping", "clubbing" which makes conversation difficult to say the least. Many women do not respond to bait and have to be prompted most of the time.

[Agreddor]

The girls also have poor eating habits and end up having pot bellies while remaining relatively flat top and bottom.

[Agreddor]

The girls here like to wear coloured contacts that dilate their pupils. If you're into tjhat shit cool.

[SlickyBoy]

(12-16-2014 05:22 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  

Many women do not respond to bait and have to be prompted most of the time.

"Bait" being a gift certificate to someplace where they can buy a $10,000 handbag.

I agree, Hong Kong is a bit more edgy and the women are not as vacant. But increasingly one needs to speak some flavor of Chinese. I can totally see someone with Cantonese ability doing well there.

[Agreddor]

(12-16-2014 05:42 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 05:22 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  

Many women do not respond to bait and have to be prompted most of the time.

"Bait" being a gift certificate to someplace where they can buy a $10,000 handbag.

I agree, Hong Kong is a bit more edgy and the women are not as vacant. But increasingly one needs to speak some flavor of Chinese. I can totally see someone with Cantonese ability doing well there.

This is oxymoron, but you do not necessarily need to be learned in cantonese to do well.

Let me explain. The people in hk can be divided into 2 broad categories a

Category 1. Locally educated

Somewhat sexually conservative
Xenophobic
Anti western
Mediocre English oratory abilities
Traditional to some extent

Requires cantonese proficiency and being Chinese will make a huge difference. Note that I say Chinese, not Asian. The locals do not like other races, this includes other north Asians like Japanese and Korean. We have this superiority complex so to speak.

Category 2. International schooled

Self explanatory. Basically the closest thing you get with ABCs.

Everyone will either speak with an American or British accent, the former being more prevalent.

Although no cantonese oratory ability is required, the girls falling into this category tend to be anglosized and feminized which would essentially defeat the purpose of traing to hongkong.

[Agreddor]

On another note, being white is a double edged sword. On one hand you have women throwing themselves at you, if not being more receptive to your advances (exotic factor &c) on the other hand, you will be expected to be rather wealthy, have a nice car, live in a nice apartment &c).

For all you ang mos coming here on a local term remuniration contract, I would advise you to think twice.

Also do note that the women here expect the whole mr Darcy gentleman behaviour crap, and usually are not responsive to over the top displays of alphaness. (You can thank the old fat farts who come here with their equally fat pockets). The ones who are receptive to alpha behaviour are the "converted wallflowers". These girls tend to be submissive and tight as fuck.

fun fact: about half the girls in JC (junior college) tend to be sexually repressed because most of them either came from prestigious primary and secondary schools and have spent so much time studying, they've never been exposed to men, or were from convents and have never schooled with men. If you spot a girl in uniform, you know the drill. Make sure she's 18 though. (JC students enter junior college at age 17)

But as they say, looks can be deceiving, most Singaporean women are not submissive, and are fully aware and not afraid to exercise their "constitutional rights" under the women's charter.

Cases of "accidental" pregnancies have become more and more prevalent in Asian white relationships. Tread carefully.

[Irish]

Pretty accurate accounts from both Slickboy and Agreddor. “fish-in-the-freezer” look - loving that. Pretty much agree with everything that has been said so far.

I would add more context around the “loutish” expats - just to draw the distinction from your typical 'loutish' white guy such as say the bogans who have destroyed Kuta in Bali or the brit equivalent in Ibiza (tho you do still get a bit of that up boat quay). The loutish-ness is rather similar to the LKF in Hong Kong where it is suit wearing rugby/football fan bankers who cos they spend a bit of cash on booze think that they own the place. In the more upmarket clubs you will get well dressed yobs who buy the bottles and tables, who are common as muck here. So being white is basically not all that special here and you naturally get lobbed into the same bucket as the other twats in the eyes of the main type of chicks you will be mostly dealing with (ie the SPGs). Hence expected to pay for EVERYTHING on the night and, if they can boyfriend you up, expected to finance her lifestyle of sleeping in, shopping, meeting her fellow sluts for lunch, and her 6 nights a week partying (where she will be openly looking to trade your ass in for a better model)

It is also true that there are certain girls who would never be interested in ex pats as well laid out by Agreddor. Although they tend not to be the types I would go for normally anyway. ie the shy local 'wallflowers'. They would get judged heavily by their beta boy social circle so much so they almost run away scared from you if you say so much as 'hi' in a club. But they are not worth the effort anyway as are massively sexually inexperienced and just dull dull dull. I have chatted up a few of 'ah lians' in my time tho, some of the not so extreme ones can be quite hot but again, they get judged heavily by social circle for being with an expat. Normally the hot ones will be found on tables in clubs with the supposed gangsters (or rather chinese spoilt son of rich daddy lambo driving wanna be gangsters) who almost always will have an absolute spaz out if you are merely just talking to one of 'their' girls. Cos they spend an obscene amount on booze, they think they 'own' everyone on the table and if one of their chicks is being chatted to by an ex pat then they lose a massive amount of face. I have had guys grab me by the throat, others threaten to kill me after about 20 seconds of banter with a chick. I know it's all just for show and they would never do anything but being local and spending huge amounts in the club the staff will always side with them. It just aint worth it over some baseball hat wearing chinese chick who thinks shes black.

Of all places I have been in Asia with the exception of Hong Kong the 'white god factor' is probably the least effective in Singapore. Which makes it all the more annoying when some local guys I know think that if you are white you don't need any game whatsoever, you just walk over and point at the hottest chick in the club and she's yours. Be it the hottest dancer on the podium, Miss Singapore, or the fake titted magazine cover girl celebrity DJ playing that night. If your white then these chicks will immediately drop what they're doing and fling themselves at you. Of course it is really just an avoidance thing where their ego wants to explain away their lack of success due to factors outside of their control.

(12-14-2014 08:23 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

There's nothing worse than listening to an expat housewife moan and groan about how much she hates it here while her laundry and child care is done for peanuts by an Indonesian/Philipina girl as she speaks.

And do we know why she hates it? Yup, cos what with all these young thin local chicks running around her fat ass cant get any attention no more. Not that she would ever admit that in a million years

(12-14-2014 09:16 PM)Laurifer Wrote:  

Has anyone tried tinder there?

I had a layover there and was actually quite impressed with some matches I got. And if they're swiping right on you as an expat, they're obviously interested.

You need to be careful here however, as tinder here (and all other online dating sites for that matter) is full of chicks from indonesia, Thailand, Nam and Phils as well as locals out looking for a rich white man to bleed dry. They are effectively freelance prostitutes. Except worse. As they will sucker in 4 or 5 naiive rich white dudes at a time, cock tease the living shit out of them to get him to pay for accomodation, nights out, holidays, whatever they can get away with. Some will even come up with sob stories about how their mother is ill with cancer or how they got robbed, or need to get away from an abusive boyfriend but have no money for somewhere to stay.

One chick I knew let me in on the 'inner circle' of all this, used to show me the ridiculous amounts of money guys would transfer across to her. Was pretty sickening she would do this, but also pretty sad how there is an endless pool of white dudes in Singapore who repeatedly fall for it. I had just had a threesome with her and her pal and here she is showing me texts from some guy who had earlier wired her $7k calling her his 'girlfriend' and he 'cant wait to see her when he brings her over'. man, sucks to be you dude...

Chicks literally make careers out of this shit. And they get paid a hell of a lot better than I do as well...

(12-15-2014 07:52 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  

4. Among other things I dislike about this country:-

Prevalance of feminism. On top of the penal code, we have another statute called the womens charter which was passed in parliment "in the interests of women"

I've not had too many issues with the feminism here per say, it certainly aint as bad as it is in the west. But the fact there is a womans charter says it all. Also I have seen in some of the less fancy clubs here warning signs about penalties for "groping" girls as if it was some sort of epidemic, which was an eye opener. As if any of these beta as fuck local guys would even have the balls to touch a chick...

I worked for an international finance firm however so the standard feminist dogma and promotions-cos-you-got-tits was already ingrained wthin the company. I am interesed to know what the working culture is like regards feminism in a local organisation. Does anyone have any experience?

(12-15-2014 07:52 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  

Did I mention the handbag carrying syndrome? Not only do guys hold their girlfriend/dates handbags, they have branded handbags themselves.

I have seen the dudes carrying the handbags thing, jees it's crindgeworthy. I have honestly had to stop myself from slapping them and shouting "what the fuck are you doing with your life man?!"

Not seen the man handbag thing yet, perhaps I have and just assumed it was the chick's handbag however. This is GOTTA see!...

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Having said all that, and in the interests of balance to all the negatives we have talked about, there are definitely things I do like about living in Singapore and would still consider living here long term:

1) Although the white god effect is amongst the weakest of the asian pacific, there still is an advantage if you're a white dude. Chicks still do throw themselves at you to an extent, and despite them (mainly SPGs) being a pretty materialistic bunch, they're still usually hotter (thinner) than the equivalent I would be seeing back in the UK and pretty slutty that getting a SNL is fairly easy. Although there are plenty other asian cities which would be much better for picking up chicks, it still beats being back in the UK for me.

2) Proximity to other SE Asian destinations. If you stay in the city you are barely a 25 min drive away from probably the best airport in the world. From which they're an amazing number of destinations around SE Asia to choose from and plenty of budget airlines to fly with. In the last 9 months or so I have barely partied in Singapore instead jetting off around various SE Asian locations to party it up for the weekend instead. Thus living in Singapore means that easy access to all the quality asian cities talked on this board (Jakarta, Bali, Bangkok, Manila, Ho Chi Minh, etc) come as part of the package as well.

3) in connection with the above, if you have a job in singapore generally you will be getting a hell of a lot more than you would be in other SE Asian cities (tho I am sure there are exceptions). Tho it is also expensive to live here too, your effective higher disposable income carries more clout when you go to party for weekends in almost every other SE Asian location. Often flying somewhere for the weekend all-in works out not that much more (or even cheaper) than two nights out on the sauce in Singapore.

4) Ease of living. The place is spotless clean, most places you stay have a pool and great facilities. There's hardly any crime or trouble. Life can be relatively stress free compared to a more chaotic city like Jakarta, HK or Bangkok which although have more life about them, the dirt/traffic/crime/congestion may get on your tits after a while.

5) Great ex pat & social networks. Through such networks and sports teams Im a member of I have met some great friends and wingmen. There are dozens of extremely well organised expat networks and events. I am part of a fantastic football club who have full kits, sponsors, regular get togethers and weekends away. Has over 100 members and every one I have met has been an ultra sound guy. The league is way more organised than anything I have been involved in in the UK with quality pitches and refs/linesmen. Although I don't know for sure but I would be surprised if any other asian country (except HK) is as good for the ex pat networks, social scene and sports.

6) Everyone speaks english. They may have trouble understanding your accent, the 'singlish' my make your ears bleed, but you shouldn't ever really get cockblocked by language barrier. In fact if anything it helps teach you to speak more clearly

Previously I would also have said the nightlife as, for someone who has been there for at least a few months working social circle game, the high end bars and clubs were excellent. But it has really tanked over the last 9 months where new places are opening and others closing all the time, spreading the crowd very thin and making it all a little unpredicatble. Hopefully it will improve again in future but at the moment it really isn't too great.

[worldtraveler3]

Cyclone:

This is exactly what I feel about china as well.
I was running aggressive game, kino, make out, etc. on this Chinese girl while she was expecting a more beta behavior, and then she completely freaked out. Was such a turn off as she does not get the terms "mood" and "vibe". All these girls think and say are logical bullshit, like their job situation, etc. they got nothing to talk about regarding their life and their feelings. It's like u trying to excite them and they want u to fall into the beta trap. What frustrates me also is that they say negative stuff out of the blue, while u just had a good date with them.

I think the trick to living in these asian cities is to distinguish which girls are those conservative, flower types as mentioned above, once u do that, get away from them as far as possible.

Stick with the cool girls who know how to live life at least.

[BodiPUA]

If you gave me the choice of living for a year in Singapore as an expat or a year in Jakarta I'd take Jakarta every time. It's a chaotic, squalid shit-hole by comparison but my god... it's FUN. The people aren't retarded, they have some 'edge' to them and don't live in a weird bubble. The city is chaos and you can go wild and lose yourself. They have a nightclub there which is literally one of the most terrifying, hellish, insane places I have ever seen in my life. My first night there I ended up completely pissed, on a random birds scooter travelling through the slums then banging her in her squalid apartment in the middle of a monsoon. Such chaos does not happen in Singapore. A wild night in Singapore is getting a tub of mashed potato from the 7-11 at 2AM on your way home.

If I had to live in Singapore I would run three mating strategies simultaneously and ruthlessly:

A) Cum-Buckets: I would hit a maids party every single Sunday and look for threesomes. In all probability I'd fuck 100 little island girls in a year doing this. Now and again I'd go on Tinder and try score a date with a 30-something marriage-hunting Chinese girl or a man-jawed white expat career girl (all single and desperate for alpha cock) and just pump n dump them for variety.

B) Quality ABC Chinese: I'd get into 'the arts' scene and network like fuck, then start organising music nights, book readings, whatever the fuck, I dunno, myself, positioning myself as leader. These artsey circles contain quite a few high quality, young, very hot, not (quite so) retarded girls, very dappy and dreamy, just drifting around looking for a whitey boyfriend because it fits their secret belief that they are different and cool and romantic. In a whole year I'd probably get two of these, but they'd be super-hot and very young.

C) Quality Pinoy: the Filipino's are the most fun in Singapore but there are two or three levels to them, almost like a caste system. Strategy 'a' as above aims at the lowest. A couple of levels above are Filipinos who are middle class, degree educated and come to Singapore and manage to get semi-decent jobs in offices. They are normal, nice, good fun and very social. These circles contain the occassional hot girl. As most expats in Singapore are wankers I'd probably look to cultivate a circle of Filipino friends for genuine warmth and friendship. However, I'd keep my evil eye open within this circle as it almost definitely would contain a few do-able girls, probably single and absolutely certainly dreaming of a tall, whitey boyfriend. Probably with some work per year this could net 2 or more girls.

No daygame. No bar game. No online game. Pointless for me.

[Agreddor]

@worldtraveler3

IME wallflower girls here usually fall into the church going, pias, waiting for marriage archetype. There are exceptions though. Some of these wallflower girls are merely keeping up appearences as we say; although they are sexually curious, most tend to be unsullied or have limited sexual experience (I'm talking 1-5 guys, so bring your lube.)

You'll have to run mini relationship game to get with these girls.

For other girls in general, do not expect to get the notch on the first date unless you pull in a night game setting. IME, I take 2-3 dates to get the first kiss and another 2 more to get the bang. The girls here are always glued to their phones and as a result, are not very good conversationalists in person; you'll have to have tight text game.

@irish

Couldn't have said it better myself. The expats neighbours I have are a pain in the arse sometimes. As for the local wannabe gangsters, its essentially a huge exhibition of false sense of bravado.

Why did you let them choke you though? I'm assuming you'd be bigger if not at least taller than most singaporean guys.

Speaking of the handbag epidemic, the guys here are very metrosexual. They have a weird way of dressing; skin tight jeans, long shirts (that look like dresses), colourful knee high socks, tote bags, reverse baseball caps, you get the picture.

I've lived in asia since I was 6 and I'm going to the uk for school in july next year. Surely the girls there can't all be that bad?

Having said that, I prefer being with westernized asian girls who have some asian values, and I'm sure most of you here do too.

[Irish]

RVF singapore response

(12-16-2014 08:48 PM)Agreddor Wrote:  

@irish

Couldn't have said it better myself. The expats neighbours I have are a pain in the arse sometimes. As for the local wannabe gangsters, its essentially a huge exhibition of false sense of bravado.

Why did you let them choke you though? I'm assuming you'd be bigger if not at least taller than most singaporean guys.

Speaking of the handbag epidemic, the guys here are very metrosexual. They have a weird way of dressing; skin tight jeans, long shirts (that look like dresses), colourful knee high socks, tote bags, reverse baseball caps, you get the picture.

I've lived in asia since I was 6 and I'm going to the uk for school in july next year. Surely the girls there can't all be that bad?

Having said that, I prefer being with westernized asian girls who have some asian values, and I'm sure most of you here do too.

For all thats been said for the expats, I have made some proper solid expat mates in Singapore. Really top guys who are successful and who have a zest for life and travel unlike most people I have met back home. But for sure they are outnumbered by the loutish loud mouth drunken expat types particularly on a Friday and Saturday night who make the biggest scenes. Proper flat out embarrassing to be honest, you almost feel like apologising to locals just for being white for what a lot of them have to endure, particularly barstaff.

The dudes who grabbed me by the throat literally came out of nowhere, I was chatting to a couple of girls who I didn't know was with them (she wasn't at their table at this point), barely was a minute's worth of banter and the girls were flirting and enjoying the interaction. Then some wannabe gangster came straight over and grabbed me by the neck, tho to be fair his mates then tried to stop him. I shoved him off and after some words were exchanged and security came over I de-escalated the situation and walked away. But this is what these guys are like, they don't just get pissed off, they lose their shit. Completely.

Sounds like you are a decent bit yonger than I am then if you're going to school(uni?) in the UK (i'm mid 30s) so we would likely have very different experiences from the types of places and demographics we deal with. Where abouts in the UK are you going? Yeah sure the girls aren't ALL bad there, just generally Singapore vs UK (my old regional town specifically that is) I still prefer the thinner chicks and the more balanced male to female dynamics in bars/clubs you have in SG. UK comparatively you generally have semi-fat chicks with attitude being worshiped by thirsty thirsty men and jealous mother hen crab in the bucket friends who will do almost anything to crash your interaction with the hottie. Your competition is generally tougher as well as you are no longer have the white guy effect and dudes in general are more aggressive about approaching while having much lower standards. But depends where you go really. I would say tho, if you were looking for a girlfriend then the UK is better as girls are more genuine there and less money grabbing. Singapore is only good for pump and dumping tight little asian chicks as they just spend your money while still actively looking out for a better offer.

Having said all that tho, that is coming from my experience. But if you will be going to more student venues (I assume) then you may find it a very different experience in both SG and UK from me.

Oh and hell yes i prefer the westernised asian girls, i almost exclusively go for them. They seem to be the only girls with any personality about them and can understand the concept of vibing and banter.

[Agreddor]

@irish

I was at a restaurant at dempsey hill a few months ago. The waiter broke some plates and this american guy started clapping and laughing hysterically while his family struggled to hide their embarrassment.

I suppose that's the "problem" with being a foreigner isn't it? As they say, one rotten apple spoils the basket. I

When I go abroad, I feel embarassed to be chinese because of how the typical PRC acts I.e talking loudly in mandarin, taking freebies, and just being country bumplkins in general.

I'm 21 and I've gotten into leeds, exeter (hear its a shit hole) and a few others. Waiting on my LNAT scores before I apply to kings, bristol, durham &c next year. Bristol seems the most appealing to me actually. Funny thing about bristol; I met the admissions director a few months ago with a buddy of mine and she asked if we were doing our military conscription. We said yeah we were, and she looked at me with a dead pan expression and said: "singaporean guys, before they do their national service, they're really small and skinny. But once they're done with NS, they get these really big muscles and that makes em really popular" word for word verbatim. I just stared at my friend , speechless. You'll never get this with a local, people here are way too serious.

I've been to the uk twice. Both trips I was game unaware. First trip with my old school in '12. Manchester, coventry, stratford, leicester, sheffield, birmingham, oxford, london.

Experience was positive in general. My buddy and I received quite a few curious stares in the more rural areas of the above-mentioned cities and towns. While in Leicester, we had to attend a youth parliment event, and I sat next to this fatty who wouldn't shut up about drugs and drinking and going to greece. There was this blonde girl sitting right in front of me, who kept turning around to smile at me. I was so beta I just kept quiet and didn't make my move. Still regret it to this day. Then we went to london and that was when I really started getting attention.

I had western girls smiling at me, and I was even opened on a few occassions. I was outside buckingham palace with 2 buddies and this girl with dreadlocks apologised for blocking while we were getting our photo taken. I gestured that it was cool, we had our photo taken and my friends ran off somewhere. I stayed behind to peruse the quality of said photo and as I was about to leave she said :"no stay don't go". She was on a school trip as well so no instant date (I was probably too beta to escalate) but we stayed in touch anyway. (She was german)

After we left, I ended up being harassed by a bunch of french girls (long story)

I don't mean to brag or anything, but itil this day the dichotomony between western and asian women blows my mind.

Anyway, I digress.

Was that a one off? The bad clubbing experience.

By and by, a lot of asian students go abroad and start forming "encleaves" witht heir own "kind" and hardly ever interact with the locals. Its disheartening to see how asian guys lose out on the "foreign experience" because of this reluctance to experience antoher culture, which is counter-intuitive to their going abroad. I believe the whole point of a tertiary education isn't soley for a piece of paper, but for the experience itself. One of the main concerns my parents had for me was the population of asians studying in that particular university, and I'm quite ashamed to say that my peers and their parents share the same consensus as well.

Its no secret that a lot of asian guys have "white fever". With singaporean beta boy game, they're not gonna go very far in the west.

Hell, some beta white guys are way more "alpha" then the so called self proclaimed alphas of singapore who have a god complex because of the pedestalisation they receive from their social circle which has been built up since primary school.

[Agreddor]

For those of you who are unaware, there's an event on the first saturday of the month where orchard road is closed. Its called "pedestrian night". Basically its a "mini party" on orchard road.

This is a recent development, and so far they've had mass yoga, tennis &c. Good daygaming opportunities. I got a few numbers off the mass yoga event.

[Cyclone]

(12-16-2014 06:17 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

Cyclone:

This is exactly what I feel about china as well.
I was running aggressive game, kino, make out, etc. on this Chinese girl while she was expecting a more beta behavior, and then she completely freaked out. Was such a turn off as she does not get the terms "mood" and "vibe". All these girls think and say are logical bullshit, like their job situation, etc. they got nothing to talk about regarding their life and their feelings.

Stick with the cool girls who know how to live life at least.

Worldtraveler; what you are touching upon is uncovering something a lot bigger than Singapore. There's an entire concept of ego-based living vs. reality-based living, that permeates through pickup and sexuality. Every part of the world falls between "ego/detached" <----------------------> "body/reality". Some societies live life stuck in their head, and some live through their bodies/heart.

The chinese women you are describing live in an "ego-based" world; meaning their reality is nothing but status, numbers, situation, job, smartphones, age, labels.... For these poor souls, these status-oriented elements of their life IS everything, while "real" life passes them by.

At the other end of the spectrum are societies who live passionately through their bodies; who are in touch with reality, live spontaneously, do drugs, have deep connections with people, in touch w/ sexuality, dance, etc. Regions that come to mind are Latin America, Philippines, parts of Australia/USA (like SF), the Mediterranean.. As men who do pickup, it's probably in our best interest to stick with the latter, we have our own lives to live too. I personally have given up on shaking up these egotistical smartsphone addicts to wake up and get in touch with reality.

Same goes for the Singaporeans studying abroad in a bubble: Pity them, but dont try converting them


   
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[worldtraveler3]

Very interesting chart. I am surprised brazil is not up there.

How do u distinguish between the 2 different types in an Asian country like china?

I like girls who have been to countries in Europe and in more,artistic professions. Fun interesting types who like Latin music for example, nice and fun. But not ignorant.
I had met a girl who worked in middle office in a bank. Although she a been to uk, she still has that old mentality. There are also girls I mmeetup.com who goes to coffee meet ups, but exactly boring types. So just because she's going to meet ups doesn't mean she is a fun and loving person.