[Stimulus]

Awesome job Gio! I really love the way you were dealing with her doubts by showing you were also nervous, yet remaining frame and playing aloof with just a hint of 'I want you'.

Do you text like this more often or did you do it now because it had to be done to reel her in?

[Lothario]

(12-23-2015 04:37 PM)Oilrig Wrote:  

Gio if I knew how to post a Denzel Washington my ni$$a meme I would post it after reading that haha.

Here you go, Absolutely my feelings also.

[Mess O.]

As a dedicated acolyte of Gio's, I hope one day to make him truly proud.

[~wrIghter~]

A great way to end the year Gio. Your positive attitude and outlook is a lot of what I aspire to grasp with my own game. What's amazing is that you don't let rejections set-in. If you had you wouldn't have had this experience to share with us all here. Well done sir!

[ksbms]

With all due respect to Gio, I think that a member with little to no reputation on the board, would have been bashed by not trying to close the deal (a.k.a. having sex). Hence the question - why not to pop her cherry? After all, it's recommended to marshal forward until a girl firmly opposes man's advances.

[Stimulus]

(12-24-2015 02:53 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

With all due respect to Gio, I think that a member with little to no reputation on the board, would have been bashed by not trying to close the deal (a.k.a. having sex). Hence the question - why not to pop her cherry? After all, it's recommended to marshal forward until a girl firmly opposes man's advances.

I think he didn't want to push his luck. Honestly I'm surprised he got this far with her. To me it was like she was a little afraid and extremely shy about it but Gio made her curiosity take the upper hand. My take is he managed to make this meetup happen by expressing he was a bit nervous also and being sweet and gentle, yet persistent, in his text messages.

Maybe pushing for the bang would've scared the cat and now his chances of a future bang (or multiple) have increased by respecting her boundaries. Only he can tell.

But this is just me, a newb, talking and trying to analyze.

[Comte De St. Germain]

In a honesty I've only popped one cherry in my life and I worked out the ass for it.

It's a wonder Gio got that far on the first go.

[Giovonny]

I want to clarify something:

The text conversations that I post are abbreviated. I shorten them to make them more easily digestible. I don't post every single text that I send and receive. I just post the key highlights..

Here is an example:

Quote:

me: (I SENT HER A SHIRTLESS SELFIE)

her: thats a really nice pic

me: U like?

her: yeah i didnt realize u were so muscular!

me: do u have any pics u can send me?

her: (SHE SENT ME A BIKINI PIC)

me: i like ur body

her: do u work monday

me: no im off monday

her: well i check out of the dorms at 5 but my plane doesnt leave til 9

me: ill pick u up and take u to the airport

her: we cant be late!

me: dont worry i live 5 mins from the airport

her: okay

This is a highly abbreviated version of the conversation. The actual text conversation was much longer and much more detailed. I just post the key parts.

I don't want people to think it was this fast and easy.

**

(12-21-2015 05:08 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

What you do probably won't work for me

How do you know? How many times have you tried it?

In my opinion, it can work for anyone..

Just follow the basic script that I used:

"I know you're a smart girl and you probably think that I'm just trying to sleep with you"

That's the opening line.

"I'm not denying that"

That's the second line.

With that basic intro, you can quickly sexualize the conversation and make it fun and flirty.

Try it.

(12-21-2015 05:08 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Any tips to get out of the slump and get into the mentality again?

Focus on having fun!

Go out and party in a way that is fun for you!

HAVE MORE FUN!!!

(12-21-2015 11:32 PM)Mess O. Wrote:  

Gio's physique pic could work as the cover for his upcoming book: Campus Game Mastery for the Mature Gentleman.

Hahaha.. My second book will focus on health, fitness. anti aging.

My first book, which is about 75% done, will be called:

"Fucking College Girls: How a sexually frustrated middle-aged man taught himself the art and science of seducing younger women"

(12-21-2015 11:41 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

Oh man, I gotta go to the gym more often.

To be honest, the gym is secondary.

The most important factor for having a nice body is FOOD!

We are what we eat! My diet is really good.

(12-22-2015 08:54 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Looking forward to reading what more you learned from this experience.

I learned so much!

1) I learned the power of building comfort and attraction through text. Texting is an emotional medium. Texting allows us to engage a girls mind. I got this girl through my written word.

2) I learned the power of sending pictures. My shirtless selfie attracted her. My apartment picture helped to ground her.

3) I learned the power of patience. If I would have rushed, I would have lost this girl.

4) I learned that now is the time for me to join social media, Tinder, etc.

5) I learned to sexualize a chat in a subtle way

6) I learned that the best way for me to text is to text exactly like I talk, fast, direct, and no bullshit.

7) I learned that "50 Shades of Gray" had a lasting effect on our pop culture. Many young, college girls want to be enraptured by an older man. They love it!

8) I learned that my 40's are going to be beautiful!

(12-22-2015 10:27 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

Gio, I would say this goes against the general consensus on RVF, which is, to my understanding, that you get laid by appealing to the girl's feelings, not her intellect.

If would be great if you could share more thoughts about this approach and how to do it right.

Well, dumb girls are not good with logic. They don't know how to apply it. That's why they are dumb. They dont know how to make good decisions.

But, smart girls are much better with logic. They can follow it, they trust it.

This girl was smart. I addressed all of her concerns logically.

She was scared and apprehensive, I addressed her fear with simple logic that she could follow. She was smart enough to see that I was right.

She had questions, I answered all of them logically.

Smart girls can recognize a good opportunity.

Dumb girls are just dumb.

But, don't take my word for it! This is something that I learned from the famous Italian porn star Rocco Siffredi, he went all over the world trying to talk girls into sex and he said smart girls are much easier than dumb girls, basically because they can follow logic, dumb girls can't follow anything.

If a girl is ruled by her feelings, focus on her feelings. (dumb girls)

But, if a girl is ruled by her logic (a smarter type girl) it might be beneficial to ease her mind with the use of logic.

In this case, my own instincts served me better than following "general consensus".

(12-24-2015 02:53 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

the question - why not try to pop her cherry?

I tried, she resisted.

She is now talking about giving me her virginity next time we see each other.

I'm not in a rush, I am patient.

Sometimes, I am very aggressive, sometimes, I am less aggressive.

In all games, you must adjust to the playing conditions.

I don't believe in always doing things the exact same way every time.

This is an art form. An art form that I am still learning, still experimenting with, still trying to grasp. In this case, my instincts told me to be patient, so that's what I did. I trusted myself.


**

Also, I want to thank n/a for his help. He encouraged me to be more sexually explicit with these smart college girls. He was 100% correct. He is a smart dude!

And, Lothario, my good friend, I don't know if I could have done this without his support and friendship.

**

I feel like a new chapter of my life is starting. I'll be 40 in a few weeks, I just joined Tinder (already got a few matches), I have a new found skill set, I have a new found confidence.

This forum has improved my life so much, I feel like I am just getting started.

This is a sweet feeling, I wanted college girls and God damn it, I got'um!!

Fuck! It feels great!

[mikado]

(12-24-2015 05:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Words of wisdom from a true playa

Congrats man! You definitely are the best. Your adventures are really enjoyable, they are what I want to live when I have the same age as you!!!

What you said about smart girls and dumb girls is true. Burned some bridges lately because I have been roughly using the same game on the two types of girls (I am more of a poetic and fantaisist guy). Result, I got number from "dumb" girls, but lost them all, whereas those who are smarter and can understand my poesy and get into my world and all that stuff end up going on dates with me (fucked some). Best part about those smart girls is that they are all 18-19 whereas the dumb ones are 21+

So yes, indeed, calibration is key.

[redbeard]

Quote:

My first book, which is about 75% done, will be called:

"Fucking College Girls: How a sexually frustrated middle-aged man taught himself the art and science of seducing younger women"

[Giovonny]

Opps, I forgot to answer a question...

(12-23-2015 06:12 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  

Do you text like this often or did you do it now because it had to be done to reel her in?

This was the first time I have ever had a long, extended text conversation.

Normally, I push for a meet up and if the girl doesn't want to meet up with me, I "next" her.

But, this time, something was different, I could tell by her responses that she was getting more comfortable, little by little.

I sexualized the conversation and she responded well to it.

I could just sense that if I texted with her a little more, I would have a chance to get her clothes off.

This experience has made me a fan of texting.

Testing is an extension of our personality.

Texting is now an emotional medium. It is literally the modern equivalent to talking on the phone.

**

Here is something related that I wrote last year:

thread-24502...#pid756380

Quote:

Game is alive. Its morphs and evolves continuously due to societal and cultural pressures. What didn't work today may work tomorrow.

It's important that we don't limit ourselves with strict rules. The only rule is do what works.

The female will often lead herself into the bedroom. She will make herself available to us in certain ways, we just have to read her cues and "lead" her accordingly. We can also observe emotional pathways that she seems to be respond to. If texting allows us access to a girls heart and mind, we would be foolish not to pursue that opportunity.

Texting is now an emotional medium.

I used to avoid text conversations. Now, that concept seems boring. If she is opening up to me over text, why would I stop that momentum? I will take that momentum as far as I can and while I'm doing it, in the back of my mind, I am always guiding the interaction towards a physical meet up.

There are no rules.

The only rule is use whatever tool will get the job done!

---

I am fascinated by the relationship between technology and game.

Quote:

Your text game is a reflection of your personality.

If your text game is dry and boring, she will often assume that your personality is dry and boring.

If you are pushy, aggressive, and lacking in social awareness, she will often assume that your personality is pushy, aggressive, and lacking in social awareness.

Trying to set up a date before establishing a certain degree of comfort and rapport shows a lack of social awareness. Just because a girl gives you her number does not mean that she is ready to go on a date with you. You first have to display a bit a value to her by making her laugh, texting her something interesting, teaching her something, engaging her emotions, etc. Doing this lets her know that you have some value to offer and it also builds comfort and rapport.

I recommend that guys have at least one text dialogue with a girl after getting her number and BEFORE trying to set up the logistics for a date.

Don't ask for a date before building a bit of comfort!

Simply getting a girls number does not establish enough comfort.

Setting up logistics is logical. Vaginas do not often operate on logic, they operate on emotions and feelings.. Thus, building comfort and establishing an emotional connection is essential to setting the date. Without comfort and some sort of emotional bond, it's hard to get a date.

Don't be in a rush to set the date, be in a rush to make her laugh and tickle her emotions. Once you've done that, setting the date will be much easier.

***

It was 2007 (I think) when Roosh wrote-- "texting should be used for logistics only".

I believe that times had changed since then. Texting has literally replaced talking, in many cases. Texting and all other forms of electronic communication have become more personal and emotionally expressive.. If we are boring over social media and text, people will assume that we are boring in person.

I think it is to our advantage try and have an entertaining, fun, emotionally engaging text chat before trying to set a date.

I believe that text game has evolved. it's now necessary and helpful to use text for more than just logistical set up. Send pictures, video, memes, etc. Anything that will help you create rapport with the girl.

[DonnyGately]

Gio, you are the man! Massive kudos from me.

To everyone on RVF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpCtnj9kZ9Q

[xmlenigma]

(12-17-2015 01:49 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Yesterday was fun, I approached ten 18/19 year olds. Got two numbers.

But, the best part of yesterday was a text exchange I had with the cute asian that I recently made out with...

She is 18, thin, and cute. I texted her around 10pm:

me: hey michelle hows it going?

her: its good how are you

me: really good thanks. Done with finals?

her: yeah!!

me: awesome! how are you celebrating

her: dinner with friends

me: fun. I know you're a smart girl and you probably think that I'm just trying to sleep with you

her: well.. yeah, thats what it seemed like the other night you're so persistent with a full body massage

me: I'm not denying it, I do want that. But, I also want you to know that I'm actually a really nice guy and im totally normal and responsible etc. Im attracted to you physically and while I dont know you that well I can tell that you are very smart and sweet. I wanted to give you an opportunity to have some fun in a safe space with no strings attached and without worry. It might sound crazy but its also very sexy and I hope you consider it.

her: so like friends with benefits is what you're asking?

me: ya i guess that term would work here

her: what exactly do u mean by have fun? I feel like u are asking for something specific lol

me: nothing specific but like i said the other night.. nothing u dont want and everything you do want. I don't have any expectations, whatever happens is okay

her: well, i'll think about it, friends with benefits is not really my style but i will think about it

me: u deserve some fun, u deserve to be spoiled

her: i mean it all sounds really nice but its a little overwhelming. We're so much different in age.

me: The age difference is not a big deal. You are mature.

her: The age difference makes me a little nervous

me: I want you to be totally comfortable.. Its totally up to you. If you're not interested, no worries sweetie

her: In my head it does sound hot but im not sure if it would really be that way in person

me: yes of course we can never guarantee chemistry in person. If we dont spark than nothng will happen. Its really low risk but high reward for you

her: im shy in person and i dont want you to get your hopes up, I'm a virgin so i dont want you to be disappointed if i dont want to have sex

me: thanks for communicating that. I rspect u and ur body 100%.. maybe u should consider drinking a little bit to loosen up. Like i already said -- nothing u dont want and everything u do want. I dont expect u to lose ur virginity this week but i want u to know im happy to massage you, caress you, and maybe give you oral or something if u wanted that.

her: that sounds amazing!

--

That was basically it. I just wanted to get her pussy wet and plant the seed in her mind, all the while building comfort and displaying myself in a strong way.

I will text her later tonight, but first, I'm on my way to another major university to game more 18/19 year olds!

Many girls have their last final today! It's party time!

Which was this Asian? I meant your previous interactions, opening & make out. I am curious.. as the mid & end of this is AMAZING, I was curious to read/ connect the earlier part of this specific story.

[Giovonny]

(12-28-2015 05:14 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

Which was this Asian?

I was curious to read/ connect the earlier part of this specific story.

Quote:

Ahead of me a see a gorgeous asian girl, she looked mixed, tight little body, very fit, long hair, sexy and feminine..

I walk passed her and just as I'm passing her..

me: hey i love your dress
her: oh thanks
me: you must be a fashion design major
her: actually im undeclared
me: oh good for you, ya take ur time and pursue what you are passionate about, no rush to choose
her: ya im a freshman so im just doing all my general ed stuff
me: a freshman! welcome to berkeley, where are you from?
her: im from san diego
me: i love san diego, i used to surf up in la jolla
her: oh ya im from carlsbad
me: i love it down there but how are you enjoying northern california so far?
her: i love it

We walk and talk. Soon we arrive at her dorm.

me: hey nice talking to you, wanna exchange numbers, maybe i can show you around town
her: um ya that sounds like fun

Got her number. Texted her a few hours later. We've been texting ever since. It's going well and I hope to set a date soon! Very sexy 18 year old!

Quote:

A stunning thai/loation/french girl who looks something like this:

thread-14257...pid1161935

[Mr.Philippines]

@Gio, you have definitely left a unforgettable legacy here on the forum.

[Gorgiass]

Almost time! Never too early to start pipelining.

18yo incoming freshman yesterday, coming back from looking at her college campus. Hottest girl I've ever gotten a number from.

Rest area off the highway, saw her in line next to mom - 5'8" or so, tan, long legs, long dark blond hair down loose with a few highlights. Shorts, sandals, and a loose fitting T that doesn't quite hide a pair of perfect looking C or D cups. What to do...

Took a piss, got some food from a different shop, looked around to see if she was alone but was now sitting at table with mom and grandparents as well. Resigned to that one's lost I get in line for a coffee. 30 seconds later I see her coming up out of the corner of my eye. Wait till she's 10 feet away and look up - eye contact and smile - pale blue eyes too, god I'm in love. She walks the corral and gets in line behind me, pause for a second, then turn and look her in the eyes again and pulling off a calm, matter-of-fact tone "You are very pretty"
Genuine smile and returns the calm energy - Thanks
"What's your name?"
Talk for a few minutes, keeping energy low. The area she will be going to school in is the area I was just coming from and am now pretty familiar with. My family was from her state as well, some jokes about stereotypes there. As my turn to order approaches -
"Well I'll be back down in a few weeks, we should exchange contact info and I'll show you the area" while pulling out my phone
OK
"I'll let you enter it, not sure if you spell that like the xxx"
No it's funny, it's spelled like yyy
Actually my hands were a bit shakey from a combination of caffeine and nerves on this one, didn't want her to notice. She enters it. "OK, I'll call you so you have mine"
Alright. My phone is in the car right now
Smile - "OK, just look for a missed call from yyy area code. Haven't changed it over to zzz yet"
Order my coffee, look back and give her a smile and nod and walk out the side door.

We've been texting, so far so good. I was actually going to be all done with the area she's headed to by the time she gets there but will make a trip back down for a shot at this one. And if it falls through I have a few girls down there already, will enjoy them and meet some others. Been putting in some serious work to improve my daygame, well over a hundred approaches the past month, pushing boundaries I wouldn't have dreamed of a few years ago. Even though she did walk up on me, this feels like a new level of getting to the point where I can go from simply capitalizing opportunities that come my way into creating the opportunities.

[Repo]

Gio's exchanges sound so simple and natural. No flashy openers or anything that anybody should feel awkward saying. So many times I read game where I feel only certain personality types could get away with it. I think you should seriously consider writing a book or guide Gio if you haven't already.

[eatthishomie]

It's getting to be that time again. I live near a university full of cute girls and I'll be between gigs.

I'll also be 15% bodyfat for the first time since high school.

Day game will be in full effect.

[Heart Break Kid]

Sad that I go to a commuter school

[Giovonny]

(08-03-2016 04:29 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Gio's exchanges sound so simple and natural.

I think you should seriously consider writing a book or guide Gio if you haven't already.

Thanks, I do feel that "simple and natural" style conversation is best for beginners and for most guys in general.

Nothing fancy, just the simple act of being able to strike up a conversation with a strange woman in a wide variety of common situations. (store, market, cafe, train, etc.) That is crucial to day game!

--

It's been hard for me to craft a book because I am still learning and every 3 to 6 months my entire thinking gets upgraded but... I am still plugging away at it and I think the title might be:


"Fucking College Girls: How a sexually frustrated middle-aged man taught himself the art and science of seducing younger women"

--

(08-04-2016 10:22 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

Sad that I go to a commuter school

Don't ever feel sorry for yourself.

Don't make excuses..

Instead, seek out new opportunities...

A "commuter school" is still a school, there are still thousands of young, slim, pretty girls.. ALL YOU NEED IS ONE!

Many of them commute only a few miles.

The opportunity is there, seize it!

[Kid Twist]

did you only start to mention "massages" in person, or did you naturally "bring it up" through text, Gio

[tawm]

30 (tinder profile has me at 25), just out of the military, live 5 minutes away from a private college in an up-and-coming American city near the Rockies.

Just enrolled there, in case I don't have a contractor job lined up for the first semesters timeframe. I've been trying to get part time bartending jobs at local music venues. Let's see how all this goes.

[Giovonny]

(08-08-2016 09:28 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

did you only start to mention "massages" in person, or did you naturally "bring it up" through text, Gio

I work in sports rehab. It comes up naturally.

--

I was in the dorms of a local university last night.

My girl from last semester is back in town and around 9pm we started texting and I ended up in her dorm room for about 2 hours!

She's 20, I'm 40.

--

I know that I will not be able to pull from college campuses for much longer.

I can't deny that I am starting to look older and its only a matter of time.

I'm starting to use social media and the dating apps.

After 7 years of gaming, just when I was starting to get comfortable within my niche, I will have to expand, transform, re-adjust, and learn a new skill set. I'm currently taking lots of pictures and building my on line portfolio.

I must evolve!

--

I am excited for the start of school, but, even before that, the week BEFORE school starts!

When the students are moving in and still don't have class! The girls are very horny!

[King of Monkeys]

I'm starting a semester at big university in a couple weeks. I live about a town away, and I'm sure my schedule's going to be busy. I got to make time to do approaches and talking to people. One of my biggest fears is getting a bad reputation by word of social media if I happen to bomb horrendously. However, if I'm going to make mistakes and get over my social anxiety this is one of the best places to do it.

[polar]

The best advice I would have to avoid that is to either 1) don't worry about it, and/or 2) Approach not just for getting it in, but also for social reasons.

If you only hit on everything with tits and don't have a tight crew, your rep will be different than if you have a lot of friends and are just sociable and forward.

So talk to guys and chicks you aren't interested in when the social situations allow.

Treat "game" and "gaming women" as a subset of "social skills" and "interacting with strangers" and you will do well in the long run.