Quote: (02-22-2015 04:47 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  

Way too much whining and speculating on Krauser's state of mind. Which is funny to me because if you read his blog and twitter he is nothing if not frank, clever, mentally stable, and well-traveled.

Stop using the following unmanly, feminine, speculating, passive aggressive arguments like this:

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Try stating your opinion upfront, like a man, without speculating on his state of mind and emotions, like this:

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These are all much better and more respectable ways to state an opinion, and they won't make you sound like a schoolmarmy feminist.

Notice how Roosh in the OP made specific points and upfront stated his beef with Krauser and London Daygame, without saying "wow Krauser is so bitter maybe he has a tiny penis and lives in his mom's basement." That is the way to do it.

Also notice that a black man, Old Fritz, did not have his panties all up in a wad

It should probably come as no surprise that a guy whose greatest hits includes a thread titled "What is the best religion?" should come out for this of all threads, even though he's barely posted since November 2014. The fumigation is bringing the trolls out from deep in the walls.

Don't tell guys how and what to write. I don't recall you dropping scintillating prose into the forum worthy of emulation.

7-day suspension.

Quote: (02-22-2015 02:24 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (02-22-2015 01:54 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Quote: (02-22-2015 12:12 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And I don't think he is a Nazi, a true racist or some RVForum hater.

Someone who compares black people to "frightened and impulsive" children and writes that various victims of genocide throughout history "had it coming" is a true racist.

Again - the statements in the rant were racist of course, but I don't think he believes that really.

As far as toxic influences go - well I am certain that anyone going deep into Libertarian Ayn Rand philosophy is going to get his heart pulled to the deep dark and absolutely evil side. That ideology is not about freedom or or self-realization, it was created for something else economically speaking. Some of the the additional topics exalt abject self-service, total disregard for fellow human beings and even promote things like a market for children, ability to sell and trade humans etc. These are the guys and eugenicists who find it is absolutely within reason to kill a 3 year old if the mother does not want the child. I shit you not - that is a study published by real-life "scientists" who don't see a difference between Plan B abortion when the child is just a couple of cells and murdering a walking talking 3 year old!

Going into Ayn-Rand-ism is like trying to learn from the force from Darth Sidious - it will only lead to more suffering and pain in the end - especially for men who are not really Dark Triad psychopaths.



Now of course Krauser may deny that and this is not a matter of intelligence as he is likely more intelligent than me. It's just that I can read it between the lines as I read some of the usual Libertarian stuff and was a "fan" once too.

You are completely wrong on so many levels about this that it's clear to me you've only read other people opinions of Ayn Rand and Libertarian philosophy.

I think I can tell you what's going on with Krauser.

First, let's look at the opinion he has of himself: He thinks he has the best game around. He thinks everyone else is cheating somehow by playing to their strengths (even though as another poster pointed out, he seeks out tourists and basically plays nice guy game from what I can tell)

Let's consider his looks: Physically unimpressive, bald.

Let's consider his personality: In the admittedly very few things I've seen him in and read from him, he has a holier than thou tone with absolute views that he knows are offensive. (I actually agree with him on a few points but that's besides the point)

His success with tourists (assuming they are attractive I don't know) has led him to believe that his game is better than anyone's despite his physical deficiencies. He believes that he's running advantage free game (as stated earlier not true, you could run that game in any heavy tourist city)

Now let's look at his involvement on this forum. He rarely posts anything but things advertising his material. The only other time he chimes in (almost immediately) are when his name get's brought up on even the most obscure thread.

It's my opinion that this is a rant inspired by his lack of acknowledgement. I'm betting he has sold pitifully low numbers that originate from RVF (why else would he put himself in this position).

He isn't getting the "respect" as a PUA that he feels he's entitled to.

He makes it a point to shit on the who he thinks are the biggest groups of guys on the forum, hence all the racist bs, where he can't call out white people he just criticizes "Americans" (God like the English don't have more than their share of idiots). He talks about how vapid Americans are (true) but seems to ignore the English are some of the most celebrity obsessed people on the planet who are absolute label whores with clothing and style. French are faggots, Italians children, Spanish lazy, (This is just juvenile to mention, who cares?)

He leaves out Indians since, as Roosh and Cobra pointed out, they are a large portion of his customer base.

The most telling thing about him is when he tries to take down how Americans are "aggressively fronting a delusional self image". This is a mirror into his soul. He is talking about himself. Most criticisms like this are based on hating in someone else what they also hate in themselves.

His lecturing us on how we don't know what real players are (ooh but he sure does) is further proof that he believes he's not getting respect.

This boils down to a school boy tantrum stemmed from being upset that he isn't getting much respect around here and so he was willing to burn a bridge in a moment of indiscretion.

I will say that he's right about there being a lot of bullshitters but that's to be expected. Men have embellished stories about their conquests since the beginning of time. When that happens it's only worthy of an eye roll unless there's an egregious offender.

Because of his lack of involvement and interaction, he has no calibration for who is or isn't a bullshiter but because of his poor sales performance and arrogance concerning his brand of game, he makes that assumption.

Too easy Krauser. I used to think there was possibly something to you but now that we get a glimpse of what you have to say on what you must know would be one of your last posts around here you just bring up a bunch of petty criticisms, obvious self loathing, and empty talking points.

This galvanizes my first opinion of you; unimpressive.

I think Krauser was just trying to be a cheeky bastard (as English are wont to do) as an attempt at humor and a way to blow off steam, but it has backfired spectacularly.

Classic rule of writing: how you think you sound in writing isn't how other people think you sound. I bet if Krauser had said those things in person people would be laughing their asses off. But when read in writing, he looks like a real asshole.

Although I do have to say, attacking (nearly) all the forum members could never be funny or cool so I dunno what the hell that was about. That was pure troll.

Just sitting here and reading discussion about somebody's "rant" (whoever that person is) makes me quickly realize I'm wasting time. Anybody else?

Quote: (02-22-2015 07:21 PM)artek Wrote:  

Just sitting here and reading discussion about somebody's "rant" (whoever that person is) makes me quickly realize I'm wasting time. Anybody else?

Krauser is a fairly well known self described "pick up artist" that was thought to be a friend of the forum.

So no, discussing it is interesting and not a waste of time.

A waste of time would be taking the time to post about something that doesn't interest you and seek out approval on your 6th post.

edit - excuse me, 3rd post.

Quote: (02-22-2015 07:21 PM)artek Wrote:  

Just sitting here and reading discussion about somebody's "rant" (whoever that person is) makes me quickly realize I'm wasting time. Anybody else?

Not really if you really didn't care you wouldn't comment. Want a rep point kiddie? Want a rep point that badly? You shouldn't be even browsing this forum right now with that logic. Why not travel and write a data sheet, hit the gym, or *gasp* approach a girl, but I'm of the opinion that you want to be immortalized as the new Little Dark instead. Gentleman this thread isn't going in the direction I envisioned. Our focus lies elsewhere.

Quote: (02-22-2015 07:21 PM)artek Wrote:  

Just sitting here and reading discussion about somebody's "rant" (whoever that person is) makes me quickly realize I'm wasting time. Anybody else?

The trolls are in rare form right now.

If anybody wonders why I called this guy out I got a little curious and looked at his posting history. Clearly doesn't know Nick Krauser amrite?

Quote: (02-22-2015 12:54 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I'm a member of the forum, not a movement. The voices of the manosphere don't speak in my behalf. As men, we should speak for ourselves.

Sorry Krauser we're better than you.

Krauser's made a post about what he's calling #krausergate on his blog and he's missed the point completely. He's trying to write this all off like it's just about his views on race, ignoring the fact that it's really about his holier than thou mindset and the way he's treated this forum.

Quote: (02-21-2015 06:33 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

It's good to see Roosh comment directly on that meltdown, which I thought raised several red flags and wasn't just another meltdown by any ol' member. Among them, of course, is the full-throated articulation of the low esteem in which Krauser holds most of the members of the forum. More subtle are his low opinions of the culture and rules of the forum; his brazen move is tantamount to disrespect to the moderators and senior members who work to keep this place being a good community for men to gather and discuss a variety of issues. A go fuck yourself, in not so many words.

As many of you no-doubtedly noticed, I responded directly to Krauser's statement here. Beyond his attitudes towards this forum, I'm also bothered by numerous views he articulated in that rant--not just on a personal level, which I set aside in dealing with moderating levels, but on a larger Manosphere-level. This forum has always been and--as far as I'm concerned--will continue to be a place for men to state opinions that aren't "politically correct" and are sometimes "uncomfortable" to read. That said, there are limitations to an open discourse. There's a point where you embarrass community members and discredit the broader agendas (to the extent that we call them that) we're trying to get into the popular discourse (i.e., the media) by association. There's also a point where your views are more closely aligned with other communities than ours.

My original response to Krauser's comment:

Quote: (02-21-2015 05:19 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I've just started to work my way through this thread, and I'm starting to notice that several members are using it to not just say "unpopular opinions," but to say things that run outright contrary to what we do here in the forum. It's basically a lawless free-for-all in here. These opinions then rarely stay here; they pour into the rest of the forum. I was looking for where a new, evolved strain of race/religion/political trolling was coming from, and this thread--right now--is a prime suspect. It's more or less a trolling incubator.

I don't think Krauser's post was "epic." Far from it. I think it was an irresponsible and disappointing itemization of the kind of unintelligent beliefs that are making some members of the manosphere sound more and more like Stormfront registrants. It's precisely what I commented about here, on steroids. My duty and responsibility is to not let this community become into whatever that is. That's to say nothing about his disclosure of what he actually thinks of most of the membership here. I expected a lot more from Krauser, who I didn't know had made the switch from daygame game to extremist politics. Applying the logic in his post, I've learned a considerable amount about the British writ-large.

I'm leaving this thread open, but with a strong impulse to close it in the near future. In the meantime, I'm giving Krauser a 7-day. No man is above the laws, and I don't think we need the follow-up post to that "masterpiece" some of you were requesting.

I've also screen-capped the list of every guy who liked that post. I'm finding a lot of correlation between the names and problematic members.

In recent weeks, maybe months, I'd noticed a marked shift toward a more aggressive, even bitter, borderline-apocalyptic tone in posts--especially around political, religious, and race topics. I made some remarks about this turn, in a broader context of the Manosphere as a whole, in this post. Since those subjects are part of the news, and directly affect men today, it certainly makes sense that they're part of the conversation. But, I'm disturbed by the particularly untempered nature of the remarks, and the near-obsession some members have developed with single issues. Fortunately, as moderator, I'm a position to make corrections to this overall negative shift.

There are times where the forum is running smoothly, and a light-hand in moderation is sufficient to keep the signal-to-noise ratios at good levels. While I'll certainly continue to discuss this with Roosh in private, my sense is that that ratio has tipped a bit into the wrong direction. I'm for making the small corrections now, rather trying to make much larger ones down the road.

It's always a careful balancing act. Taking out the trash while ensuing enough creativity to ensue that the forum remains an interesting and dynamic place.

Quote: (02-22-2015 09:41 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

Krauser's made a post about what he's calling #krausergate on his blog and he's missed the point completely. He's trying to write this all off like it's just about his views on race, ignoring the fact that it's really about his holier than thou mindset and the way he's treated this forum.

That was a touching blog post. Boils down to "I have lots of friends of other races, so I can't be a racist!" I just wish he had elaborated on this quote, which I personally think was the Pièce de résistance in his rant:

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- Most genocides in history were merely overreactions against a people who had it coming. That includes Jews, Tutsis and especially Kosovans.
- I really wish the Serbs had wiped out the Kosovans.

What a little fucking weasel.

I tried to warn you guys about Krauser months ago but I was labeled a troll and was ran oft with pitchforks and torches.



http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33175-...#pid656765

Quote: (02-22-2015 10:42 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

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- Most genocides in history were merely overreactions against a people who had it coming. That includes Jews, Tutsis and especially Kosovans.
- I really wish the Serbs had wiped out the Kosovans.

What a little fucking weasel.

Not defending this particular point but how does stating a view make a person a weasel?

It's more weasel like to dance around something you believe in because you don't want to risk offending others. Or even worse using your objectionable political views when it's handy to attack people (when convenient) which is what most SJWs/liberals do.

Storm in a teacup, I think. To his credit, Krauser has not been a stealth marketer on this forum. If he has been sanctioned for disrespecting the membership in one post, so be it. The racialist views he has espoused is an issue not confined to him alone, and controversial as they might be didn't break forum rules.

It's guys like Krauser that give the manosphere a bad rep. Since when was it moral to diss other forum members on here?

Can't we all just get along?

Quote: (02-22-2015 11:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I tried to warn you guys about Krauser months ago but I was labeled a troll and was ran oft with pitchforks and torches.



http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33175-...#pid656765

How do you remember shit like this?

Well you were right.

I'm years ahead of my time. My genius knows no bounds.

Quote: (02-23-2015 12:54 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I'm years of my time. My genius knows no bounds.

I think you left out a word genius.

Edit: I know Ali - it was a friendly joke - no punishment please

You guys know that he made a similar post in the same thread about a year ago right? It was a post that left a mark.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21413-...#pid687865

In his new post he has just upped the language of the previous post, and cut out some of the more agreeable points he made.

I don't understand why is everyone so offended by (or if we're being honest, feigning outrage at) Krauser's racist comments. I can certainly understand why that kind of rhetoric is not permitted on the forum, but the over-the-top denunciations I'm reading in this thread are more typical of what you'd expect to read on SJW-friendly forums/blogs. Suddenly Krauser is the worst guy in the world (an opinion that apparently everyone has held for a long time, but never voiced until now, coincidentally) and all "right-thinking" people must denounce him. I find these sort of dogpiles on disgraced/banned forum members distasteful. It's just a smaller version of the spectacle we see play out in the media on the near-weekly basis when some celebrity or politician sticks his foot in his mouth and is forced to grovel for forgiveness while the entire media tells us how he's such an awful person. It's some kind of ritual humiliation that serves to reinforce group social norms and punish those who fall out of line.

And I'm not defending Krauser. I don't know him, I've never communicated with him privately or bought any of his products. You know what else? I couldn't possibly give less of a shit what Krauser's opinions on race issues are (or any other issue for that matter). You know why? Because I have my own opinions, and don't run around with piss dripping down my leg and tears streaming down my face when I read an opinion that I find offensive or that I disagree with.

It's really frightening to see the SJW lynchmob/"burn the heretic" mentality playing out here at the RVF of all places. Just demonstrates how far the cultural rot has set in, and how many men have internalized these new social norms of thought policing and enforcing conformity of opinion. It's very important to keep in mind that many of the opinions that are near-universally held here would be enough to get men fired and smeared in the media. I mean, the proprietor of this very forum just penned a missive advocating for the legalization of rape that received a great deal of attention in the media. It's very easy to imagine a near-future where everyone who posts here is considered a thought criminal. So the idea that men here, of all places, are actually whining about how offensive something was is not only absurd, but hypocritical and short-sighted. Be under no illusions: the same playbook you're using against Krauser can easily be turned against you.

And again, I'm really not defending Krauser, because I don't even know the guy. Frankly, I find the issue of his continued association with a PUA fraud and his general insults toward the community much more aggravating than his racial views. For those reasons alone I think Roosh and Tuth were justified in their actions. I just absolutely despise this culture of taking offense and feigning outrage at people who express controversial opinions.

Quote: (02-22-2015 06:39 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

You are completely wrong on so many levels about this that it's clear to me you've only read other people opinions of Ayn Rand and Libertarian philosophy.

Murray Rothbard:

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But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die. The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive. (Again, whether or not a parent has a moral rather than a legally enforceable obligation to keep his child alive is a completely separate question.) This rule allows us to solve such vexing questions as: should a parent have the right to allow a deformed baby to die (e.g. by not feeding it)? The answer is of course yes, following a fortiori from the larger right to allow any baby, whether deformed or not, to die. (Though, as we shall see below, in a libertarian society the existence of a free baby market will bring such ‘neglect’ down to a minimum.)” (Rothbard 1998: 99–101).

Yes I was wrong to equate libertarianism with the proposal of "experts" out there to kill 3-year-olds: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/n...s-say.html

Most libertarians and advocates of Austrian economics are Christian and would support the concept of Christian charities, so I was wrong in equating one opinion of one Libertarian with the entire movement.

Also it's true that if a Satanist likes Ayn Rand, then of course it does not make you a Satanist yourself just because you like what Ayn Rand says economically.

I think the doctrine may breed a coldness of heart and that is what I tried to express.

But I have full respect for all members who believe in Libertarianism - many 'sphere guys do, because it appeals to freedom loving people - no restrictions, little interference from the government - principles I believe in myself, which is why I called myself Libertarian once.

That is until I read more stuff and found interest-free economics much more logical and powerful (explaining better the current boom-bust-cycles & also having real life examples just like Austrian Economics - only much more successful ones), but I don't want to distract the thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...89x1989989
https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/201...economics/


As far as Krauser is concerned - his rant seems to be some kind of trash-talk that men do among each other. It was probably not wise posting it on the RVForum - his voice has way too much impetus.

Other forum members here link to calling Krauser out on the topic of getting laid accusing him to have no Game and no experiences with girls until recently. Well sure - one such rant and everything is instantly invalidated, the man as a PUA suddenly does not exist and all of his books are just quackery.

You may not like the man or his additional message, but that does not invalidate his skill in seduction and more importantly his ability to put those things to paper. It is of little use to men around the world if someone is the greatest seducer of the world if he cannot teach anything to anyone and can't express his ability sufficiently.

Again - I am not defending Krauser's rant here, just the man as a whole package and expert in one field.

Actually I just wanted to comment here on Libertarian economics as someone who has studied economics myself (which is mostly useless crap anyway, but that is another story).

Edit - I just read Scorpion's post - excellent stuff and I agree with him on that point:

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It's really frightening to see the SJW lynchmob/"burn the heretic" mentality playing out here at the RVF of all places. Just demonstrates how far the cultural rot has set in, and how many men have internalized these new social norms of thought policing and enforcing conformity of opinion. It's very important to keep in mind that many of the opinions that are near-universally held here would be enough to get men fired and smeared in the media. I mean, the proprietor of this very forum just penned a missive advocating for the legalization of rape that received a great deal of attention in the media. It's very easy to imagine a near-future where everyone who posts here is considered a thought criminal. So the idea that men here, of all places, are actually whining about how offensive something was is not only absurd, but hypocritical and short-sighted. Be under no illusions: the same playbook you're using against Krauser can easily be turned against you.

I find it sad.