[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-23-2015 09:02 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

You live in Eastern Europe for crying out loud, there's no reason to get so riled up over any of this. Just chill. I don't have a personal vendetta against you or anyone on this forum.

Me neither man, me neither.

[bojangles]

Firstly I'll suspect this will be my final post on RVF. Not because of my previous actions on this forum nor possibly because of what I'm about to say. I've been a member for a couple of years and I've enjoyed the forum. I've met some of you guys, had a good time, helped newbies with advice and been a bit silly at times. I did not respond initially to this thread due to what may be considered a conflict of interest.

As much as it may disappoint some of you, I am a good friend of Nick's (I'm talking to the "oh he's a got a black friend and can't be racist" crowd). Therefore this is why it was necessary for me to read the majority of this thread after a couple of days rather than responding when action was taken against him by Tuth and then by Roosh.

I tweeted to Roosh and wanted to know if this affected either myself or The 3 Bromigos when he referred to London daygame guys (I think) within his initial banning statement. This is because within our little gang, two of us know Nick very well whilst Matt has met Nick only once. Roosh said that this applied only to Nick, Tom Torero and Steve Jabba. However I was told last night via 3rd party that all my comments and posts from this point on would be monitored. As someone who has never been warned nor banned, this was quite an affront. I guess that's when I realised that this went beyond what Nick had actually said in his post (possibly something that Tuth maybe unaware of too as his reasons for banning Nick seem fair within the context of the forum).

Anyway you all know where to contact me especially those guys PMin me for advice right now.

However I'll respond to some of the accusations within this public lynching on RVF.

I agree with Scorpion's first post in particular

(02-21-2015 06:50 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Let this be a reminder to us all of the importance of knowing how to play by the rules of the forum, and how to balance a diplomatic tone and rhetorical aggression. When discussing controversial topics, you don't have to show the full monty to get a point across to the reader. Leave a little to the imagination, let them fill in the holes for themselves.

This post is hilarious for it's content:

(02-21-2015 07:13 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

I am one of the people Krauser profited off of when I bought his Daygame Mastery book. I respect the work of dudes who put in an insane amount of hours and are able to distill such complicated subjects down to actionable advice, so paying for content, especially when I have the means, is not a big deal to me. Is it worth $100? Meh. If you have some cash, sure.

One note though. There is no denying there's good advice in the book. What I can't really say is that it's all that innovative. Additionally, and more importantly, I notice that an important schtick to Krauser's game is essentially playing tour guide to foreign tourists who have the time and means to lollygag around London in the day time. In his meltdown here, he says the great majority of dudes punching above their weight consistently are fronting something else, including micro-fame, money, SEA, a donkey dick or whatever. I'll posit that Krauser recommends some critical advice that is generally only applicable in top-tier cities. He is leveraging his surroundings, which isn't a bad thing. But I can personally vouch for players where they are the show, not the city. I get the feeling that the show for Krauser can often be his beloved London... which renders some of his advice not exactly actionable to people living outside a city with a constant influx of tourists.

To piggyback on his racist rant, and going off what I just said as him leveraging his world-class city... Londoners are some of the most smug, condescending, secretly arrogant people on the planet, men or women. It's no surprise he likes Argentineans, who also happen to be the most arrogant and whitest people in Latin America, go figure. Londoners hide behind their faux-politeness and pseudo-progressiveness, but plant a Londoner in some "garbage" second-tier city and they won't shut the fuck up about how great London is. They are also secretly as vapid and sometimes ignorant as those lowly Americans Krauser complains about; Londoners are merely better at hiding it. Thoroughly unsurprised to read "black people [are] not capable of getting by in white man's civilisation" from a dude like him.

For the record, I like London a lot, and other big cities, mostly because of the amazing opportunities concentrated in one accessible place. I also like their stupid accents. Londoners in general, though, are more often guilty of being born on third base and thinking they hit a home run.

On second thought, $100 is way too much, especially for a racist-ass motherfucker like Krauser. I'll give him this: it's a neat collection of non-innovative tidbits in one expensive and unwieldy book, with big fonts, wide margins, and stupid drawings to stretch a 200 pager to 400+. But if you can stand a bit of disorganization, Roissy and this very forum can give you better, more actionable, more wide-ranging advice from multiple real innovators, for free.

You were too cowardly to appraise the book whilst Krauser was not banned. You've been a member for a long time but didn't feel the need to say his book was shit, it wasn't innovative and that you got no use from it. How about this, why don't you show us some innovative techniques?

You call Krauser racist, I may as well sling the xenophobic tag at for you the parts in bold. Krauser isn't even a Londoner but thanks for the tarred brush. Oh and the part in italic? In reference to the paragraph before it reminds me of a common theme within this thread that's been slung at Krauser - "I'm not racist because I have black friends"

Finally for a guy who seems to be so intimate with Krauser's travel plans, you seem to neglect the fact that he's only spent at most a month in the past 2 years in London.


Mr Maciano, you obviously missed the part where he talked about Brits, or do they not count as North European straight men?

(02-22-2015 02:46 AM)Maciano Wrote:  

He basicly likes nobody or anything, except for north european straight men, Japan & having sex w/ Slavic women?

He has a very negative outlook on life.

I still stand by my thoughts on him regarding game HCE, he's one of the best. However like any individual, he also has his own political opinions and views like those on the forum.

(02-22-2015 02:48 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I never cared for Krauser until I spent a few days with bojangles who spoke highly of him and lent me that big book to read. Since bojangles struck me as such a solid and impressive dude with lots of insightful views, I would have never expected Krauser to be preoccupied with silly stuff like this, let alone to speak so badly about most of the forum. I just don't understand what got into Krauser's head there.

I'm disappointed in this post because it's CrashBangWallop but also because he's actually never read Krauser's blog it seems. How can he be a guy trying to fit in when throughout the 5 year tenure of his blog, he's always stated that he's an introvert who likes to do things by himself and has no intention of being in a gang or group? Is it not bitter of you to have decided to come out of the closet now rather than when the guy was around and not banned?

(02-22-2015 07:13 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I've never really enjoyed much of Krauser's material.

He always comes across as the bitter state school boy who never manages to quite fit in with his blue blooded classmates at a red brick university; no matter how hard he tries, how much money he has or what he achieves.

He is desperate to be an English gent, but can't quite make it across the threshold.

Thanks for this diagnosis zombiedude, I look forward to your diagnosis on every forum member. Took you a while to crawl out of the floorboards though.

(02-22-2015 08:12 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

He sounds very bitter. You can tell a lot about someones character when they speak freely. The fact that he thinks people on here are liars and fakes is not surprising, considering he's okay with genocide.

People who show little regard and empathy to their fellow humans tend to be psychopaths. He has all the makings of someone who would throw you under the bus for self interest. The people who keep this place going are definitely good people, who can smell when somethings off.

Considering that Krauser has been called 'bitter', it was such an irony that a post about women being the enemy was so well liked. If that's the case, there's a lot of you fraternising with the enemy.

(02-22-2015 11:31 AM)41490_0 Wrote:  

Not once was anything mentioned about women in Krausers post.

You obviously need lessons in history if you can't understand that. I think scorpion did quite an elegant piece on why Jews have always had problems wherever they went. Tribes didn't just commit genocide for the sake of it. It's happened countless times in history and I can guarantee your ancestors engaged in it too. The fact that he made that comment shows that he's not a weasel and is not scared of saying his mind whilst you hurl feminist style insults at him.

(02-22-2015 10:42 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:41 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

Krauser's made a post about what he's calling #krausergate on his blog and he's missed the point completely. He's trying to write this all off like it's just about his views on race, ignoring the fact that it's really about his holier than thou mindset and the way he's treated this forum.

That was a touching blog post. Boils down to "I have lots of friends of other races, so I can't be a racist!" I just wish he had elaborated on this quote, which I personally think was the Pièce de résistance in his rant:

Quote:

- Most genocides in history were merely overreactions against a people who had it coming. That includes Jews, Tutsis and especially Kosovans.
- I really wish the Serbs had wiped out the Kosovans.

What a little fucking weasel.

You seem hurt and bitter, did he kill your mother? Or was it all those videos he used to post of him actually talking to women and on some instances fucking them?

(02-22-2015 10:25 AM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  

Krauser is full of shit. Didn't he claim that his ex-wife (pre-game) was a Japanese 10?

There's also been a lot of posts insinuating that he only hits on tourists. The guy spends most of time abroad in Europe so how is he only hitting on tourists? The guy is the tourist. I don't see those same accusations levelled at Roosh, Sourcecode, slubu, Fisto, etc




I won't inflame this 'war' but it's certainly been started by this 'event'. I respect the views some of you have on Krauser, he's not there to be 'liked', you can dislike him or hate him if it pleases you. Some of your opinions were put forward very eloquently and made sense from your positions.

I'm sure I'll get tarred with the associated with 'fakes' like Tom Torero and Steve Jabba brush in the future so I'll add that I've never met them before.

[Krusyos]

I realize I'm not a respected member and only have a measly 7 rep points, but I just wanted to say that I think it's important that we don't go too far down the other path, either. I've had my run-ins with the "law" in the past, and probably deserved them, but I think it's also dangerous to silence opinions which you don't agree with, simply because it shows that you are unwilling to reevaluate your own position on a certain topic, no matter how set in it you are. Krauser obviously had other problems compounded onto this, so it wasn't just the "offensive" nature of this post (which I thought was pretty obviously an attempt at humor).

I'd just like to admonish my fellow members here not to fall into the "witch hunting" mentality of now trying to root out any kind of discussion about controversial ethnic/racial/cultural topics. When that happens, we cease to intellectually challenge ourselves and encourage an environment where people act on their "feelz" rather than intellect.

"No one's witch hunting here, Krusyos. His post was just over the top and needlessly offensive." Remember, my friends, how the Salem Witch Trials began... the conviction of one "actual" witch turned into a mass hysteria where many innocent people died. I just want to urge caution when dealing with these kinds of situations.

That being said, Krauser's temporary ban was just for the reasons Scorpion described.

[Roosh]

Quote:

However I was told last night via 3rd party that all my comments and posts from this point on would be monitored.

Anyone who thinks that Tuth and I will sit here and "monitor" people have been told incorrect information or are flattering themselves.

[TravelerKai]

Scorpion's post probably comes from my desire to give Krauser some Muay Thai knee strikes. I can see how that can give off a SJW witch-hunt vibe. To me it would just be an old fashioned ass kicking. You know, the kind men used to be able to give each other in order to keep guys in check. Not just because he is racist, but for the wanton disrespect/insults and major disappointments. Basically everything. Like I said, doing that won't solve anything, so take that as a tongue in cheek comment. Don't take that literally.

We do have a responsibility to check each other's attitudes and behaviors. That's one way we learn as men. Peer review and critique. Taking constructive criticism professionally without getting personally offended (Zelscorpion I am looking at you brother). I expect you guys to yank my chain quickly if I get out of line as well. I would rather you tell me quickly to avoid further embarrassment to myself and the others.

@Ali If you were not trolling and could see through that guy's game, can you extrapolate that out? Right now, it looks like you were either lucky guessing (based on a 100 dollar book), had a clairvoyance hunch, or you really did read through his stuff but cannot articulate it out enough because it is alot of information. We all know you keep shit simple and have a Joe Dirt swag, but it would interesting to know what it is you noticed because you are very keen eyed on various things.

At the end of the day, like New Yorkers like to say, "There is nothing wrong with a professional confrontation, every now and then."

[TravelerKai]

(02-23-2015 09:48 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

However I was told last night via 3rd party that all my comments and posts from this point on would be monitored.

Anyone who thinks that Tuth and I will sit here and "monitor" people have been told incorrect information or are flattering themselves.

I can see that. The dick won't wet itself. Am I right?

[Rutting Elephant]

(02-23-2015 09:17 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

As much as it may disappoint some of you, I am a good friend of Nick's (I'm talking to the "oh he's a got a black friend and can't be racist" crowd).

bojangles is black?

(02-21-2015 06:47 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

but NO mention of Indians.

Indians are a big segment of the London PUA customer base.

[Nonpareil]

(02-23-2015 09:17 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Firstly I'll suspect this will be my final post on RVF. Not because of my previous actions on this forum nor possibly because of what I'm about to say. I've been a member for a couple of years and I've enjoyed the forum. I've met some of you guys, had a good time, helped newbies with advice and been a bit silly at times. I did not respond initially to this thread due to what may be considered a conflict of interest.

As much as it may disappoint some of you, I am a good friend of Nick's (I'm talking to the "oh he's a got a black friend and can't be racist" crowd). Therefore this is why it was necessary for me to read the majority of this thread after a couple of days rather than responding when action was taken against him by Tuth and then by Roosh.

I tweeted to Roosh and wanted to know if this affected either myself or The 3 Bromigos when he referred to London daygame guys (I think) within his initial banning statement. This is because within our little gang, two of us know Nick very well whilst Matt has met Nick only once. Roosh said that this applied only to Nick, Tom Torero and Steve Jabba. However I was told last night via 3rd party that all my comments and posts from this point on would be monitored. As someone who has never been warned nor banned, this was quite an affront. I guess that's when I realised that this went beyond what Nick had actually said in his post (possibly something that Tuth maybe unaware of too as his reasons for banning Nick seem fair within the context of the forum).

Anyway you all know where to contact me especially those guys PMin me for advice right now.

However I'll respond to some of the accusations within this public lynching on RVF.

I agree with Scorpion's first post in particular

(02-21-2015 06:50 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Let this be a reminder to us all of the importance of knowing how to play by the rules of the forum, and how to balance a diplomatic tone and rhetorical aggression. When discussing controversial topics, you don't have to show the full monty to get a point across to the reader. Leave a little to the imagination, let them fill in the holes for themselves.

This post is hilarious for it's content:

(02-21-2015 07:13 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

I am one of the people Krauser profited off of when I bought his Daygame Mastery book. I respect the work of dudes who put in an insane amount of hours and are able to distill such complicated subjects down to actionable advice, so paying for content, especially when I have the means, is not a big deal to me. Is it worth $100? Meh. If you have some cash, sure.

One note though. There is no denying there's good advice in the book. What I can't really say is that it's all that innovative. Additionally, and more importantly, I notice that an important schtick to Krauser's game is essentially playing tour guide to foreign tourists who have the time and means to lollygag around London in the day time. In his meltdown here, he says the great majority of dudes punching above their weight consistently are fronting something else, including micro-fame, money, SEA, a donkey dick or whatever. I'll posit that Krauser recommends some critical advice that is generally only applicable in top-tier cities. He is leveraging his surroundings, which isn't a bad thing. But I can personally vouch for players where they are the show, not the city. I get the feeling that the show for Krauser can often be his beloved London... which renders some of his advice not exactly actionable to people living outside a city with a constant influx of tourists.

To piggyback on his racist rant, and going off what I just said as him leveraging his world-class city... Londoners are some of the most smug, condescending, secretly arrogant people on the planet, men or women. It's no surprise he likes Argentineans, who also happen to be the most arrogant and whitest people in Latin America, go figure. Londoners hide behind their faux-politeness and pseudo-progressiveness, but plant a Londoner in some "garbage" second-tier city and they won't shut the fuck up about how great London is. They are also secretly as vapid and sometimes ignorant as those lowly Americans Krauser complains about; Londoners are merely better at hiding it. Thoroughly unsurprised to read "black people [are] not capable of getting by in white man's civilisation" from a dude like him.

For the record, I like London a lot, and other big cities, mostly because of the amazing opportunities concentrated in one accessible place. I also like their stupid accents. Londoners in general, though, are more often guilty of being born on third base and thinking they hit a home run.

On second thought, $100 is way too much, especially for a racist-ass motherfucker like Krauser. I'll give him this: it's a neat collection of non-innovative tidbits in one expensive and unwieldy book, with big fonts, wide margins, and stupid drawings to stretch a 200 pager to 400+. But if you can stand a bit of disorganization, Roissy and this very forum can give you better, more actionable, more wide-ranging advice from multiple real innovators, for free.

You were too cowardly to appraise the book whilst Krauser was not banned. You've been a member for a long time but didn't feel the need to say his book was shit, it wasn't innovative and that you got no use from it. How about this, why don't you show us some innovative techniques?

You call Krauser racist, I may as well sling the xenophobic tag at for you the parts in bold. Krauser isn't even a Londoner but thanks for the tarred brush. Oh and the part in italic? In reference to the paragraph before it reminds me of a common theme within this thread that's been slung at Krauser - "I'm not racist because I have black friends"

Finally for a guy who seems to be so intimate with Krauser's travel plans, you seem to neglect the fact that he's only spent at most a month in the past 2 years in London.


Mr Maciano, you obviously missed the part where he talked about Brits, or do they not count as North European straight men?

(02-22-2015 02:46 AM)Maciano Wrote:  

He basicly likes nobody or anything, except for north european straight men, Japan & having sex w/ Slavic women?

He has a very negative outlook on life.

I still stand by my thoughts on him regarding game HCE, he's one of the best. However like any individual, he also has his own political opinions and views like those on the forum.

(02-22-2015 02:48 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I never cared for Krauser until I spent a few days with bojangles who spoke highly of him and lent me that big book to read. Since bojangles struck me as such a solid and impressive dude with lots of insightful views, I would have never expected Krauser to be preoccupied with silly stuff like this, let alone to speak so badly about most of the forum. I just don't understand what got into Krauser's head there.

I'm disappointed in this post because it's CrashBangWallop but also because he's actually never read Krauser's blog it seems. How can he be a guy trying to fit in when throughout the 5 year tenure of his blog, he's always stated that he's an introvert who likes to do things by himself and has no intention of being in a gang or group? Is it not bitter of you to have decided to come out of the closet now rather than when the guy was around and not banned?

(02-22-2015 07:13 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I've never really enjoyed much of Krauser's material.

He always comes across as the bitter state school boy who never manages to quite fit in with his blue blooded classmates at a red brick university; no matter how hard he tries, how much money he has or what he achieves.

He is desperate to be an English gent, but can't quite make it across the threshold.

Thanks for this diagnosis zombiedude, I look forward to your diagnosis on every forum member. Took you a while to crawl out of the floorboards though.

(02-22-2015 08:12 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

He sounds very bitter. You can tell a lot about someones character when they speak freely. The fact that he thinks people on here are liars and fakes is not surprising, considering he's okay with genocide.

People who show little regard and empathy to their fellow humans tend to be psychopaths. He has all the makings of someone who would throw you under the bus for self interest. The people who keep this place going are definitely good people, who can smell when somethings off.

Considering that Krauser has been called 'bitter', it was such an irony that a post about women being the enemy was so well liked. If that's the case, there's a lot of you fraternising with the enemy.

(02-22-2015 11:31 AM)41490_0 Wrote:  

Not once was anything mentioned about women in Krausers post.

You obviously need lessons in history if you can't understand that. I think scorpion did quite an elegant piece on why Jews have always had problems wherever they went. Tribes didn't just commit genocide for the sake of it. It's happened countless times in history and I can guarantee your ancestors engaged in it too. The fact that he made that comment shows that he's not a weasel and is not scared of saying his mind whilst you hurl feminist style insults at him.

(02-22-2015 10:42 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:41 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

Krauser's made a post about what he's calling #krausergate on his blog and he's missed the point completely. He's trying to write this all off like it's just about his views on race, ignoring the fact that it's really about his holier than thou mindset and the way he's treated this forum.

That was a touching blog post. Boils down to "I have lots of friends of other races, so I can't be a racist!" I just wish he had elaborated on this quote, which I personally think was the Pièce de résistance in his rant:

Quote:

- Most genocides in history were merely overreactions against a people who had it coming. That includes Jews, Tutsis and especially Kosovans.
- I really wish the Serbs had wiped out the Kosovans.

What a little fucking weasel.

You seem hurt and bitter, did he kill your mother? Or was it all those videos he used to post of him actually talking to women and on some instances fucking them?

(02-22-2015 10:25 AM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  

Krauser is full of shit. Didn't he claim that his ex-wife (pre-game) was a Japanese 10?

There's also been a lot of posts insinuating that he only hits on tourists. The guy spends most of time abroad in Europe so how is he only hitting on tourists? The guy is the tourist. I don't see those same accusations levelled at Roosh, Sourcecode, slubu, Fisto, etc




I won't inflame this 'war' but it's certainly been started by this 'event'. I respect the views some of you have on Krauser, he's not there to be 'liked', you can dislike him or hate him if it pleases you. Some of your opinions were put forward very eloquently and made sense from your positions.

I'm sure I'll get tarred with the associated with 'fakes' like Tom Torero and Steve Jabba brush in the future so I'll add that I've never met them before.

Now I normally avoid such forum intrigue as this, but - at least the original intention stated in the original post, was not so much a problem with his more 'racist' views he posted (race is a very hot topic here, which is why I avoid talking about it, I have my own views on it just like everyone else, views that some people would deem 'racist' and no I will not share them, and his race-related comments are hardly shocking for that thread - though given that he posts in his real(?) name and links to his blog, he might want to temper it a bit on the genocide talk) but that he was allowed to advertise his products and services here and the first salvo he launches is an attack on the forum and its members.

That's biting the hand that feeds you, which is unacceptable in any circumstance, which is what people should be upset about - not his views on genocide and Americans*.

I've seen some of his videos and read his blog, it seems he has a solid handle on female psychology and game BUT...I also never really saw anything that I myself don't do and didn't learn to do in my own interactions with women during the day. There really isn't anything supremely innovative about any of it, but at least he makes it work for him.

I don't feel strongly one way or another, but a lot of people have lost the plot on this, and fast.

(* - For what it's worth...4 in 5 no but going off my observations he's not totally wrong - I recently mentioned that living overseas, it's by far the Americans that are the most likely to live behind a mask).

[Roosh]

I'll lock this up now. If you have any more suggestions/comments about this episode or moderation in general, you can send me a PM.