Quote: (09-08-2016 01:33 PM)Rocha Wrote:
@Jabba
Lesson number one in here is if a girl tells you to do something, you should do exactly the opposite. In this case if they tell you to learn Ukranian...then learn Russian.
You are taking a game principal of non-compliance and using it in a totally different context, that of which
medium to speak to people; why not go all out and learn Swahili instead? That would surely show how dominant you are, and no woman tells you what to do. Double down and tell the Ukrainian girl that Putin is the savior of civilization against the decadent west!
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@Scrambled: Just put in your head for once that 90% of Kievans use Russian as their daily life language of choice. And good luck finding a Ukrainian speaker in the south or east. ]
90% as a figure is not close to the accurate number, and is perhaps created out of the thin air nearest your keyboard. I previously discussed that Ukrainian is most useful in the west; and Russian in the east, though that makes me ask, who is going to the east? Far more of us are primarily staying in the center or west, such as Kiev and Lviv, outside of shorter side trips to those other cities. There is practically no tourism to the east. And why should I "put in in my head" because you say something? What source do you have? Are you Ukrainian? A Russian sympathizer? You offer no evidence but attitude. Why should that persuade me, or anyone else?
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In Belarus 95 to 97% use Russian as their daily life language of choice...
I find that a bit ridiculous and it makes me doubt your other claims—and as before, what proof do you have that you
not only know all about every country's exact Russian usage, but the near exact percentage! Are you Belorussian too? Languages changes over time, and Belarus, like Ukraine, is far enough from Russia to have over time developed a language distinct from Russian, which as taught, is the Central Russian/Moscow dialect, a city over 700km from Minsk, and 850km from Kiev.
From the cite about the Belarusian language: "About 6,984,000 (85.6%) of Belarusians declared it their "mother tongue"".
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Maidan extasis is fading by each passing day, the only ones who can get wet with Ukrainian languange skills are possibly dumb Western village girls, and even so I disgress, you can learn how to say "Slava Ukraina, geroiam slava!" and the effect will be the same.
You use mocking phrases, in addition to unfounded statistics, to substitute for argument. The closer I read your words, the more I doubt them: "dumb Western village girls" is a straw man argument; unless you mean, the vast majority of Ukrainian girls, who are quite big on Ukrainian identity. As if the only primary Ukrainian identified girls are a small fraction of "хохол" hillbilly rednecks from Carpathia, milking cows and riding a horse-drawn cart into the village! Outside of the east, Ukrainian language use is the rule, and not the exception. And why would learning one jingoistic slogan have anything to do with one's overall proficiency in the country's native language?
What you mean by the cutesy phrase "Maidan extasis" I do not know, but even current events such as that have little do to in the long-standing national / regional identity and language differences, which have developed over centuries. The Ukrainian (and rather hostile to Russia & Putin) attitude is not recent, but long before 2014. There are photos of fallen Ukrainian soldiers, from the Donbass conflict, throughout Kiev and Lviv.
The identity and distaste of Russia is significant.
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If you have no business in Ukraine to do other than chasing girls...Ukrainain proeficiency will raise even more eyebrows than a guy who knows how to speak Russian, an international language spoken widely in all FSU countries, in a huge diaspora, understood perfectly by Bulgarians and Serbs, and with still many speakers in some Warsaw pact countries.
Proficiency in the regional language would be appreciated and there are many foreigners who study or live in Ukraine that have achieved it. Would a German who studied American accented English, instead of British, and then toured America, "raise eyebrows"? In say, Ivano-Frankivsk, a University and (nearby resorts) hub for tourists, there are African students, who speak the local language. Why would then a western tourist be so shocking, if they knew some Ukrainian? It is not so rare a language to garner suspicion from the native speakers.
And your last comment disputes something I never did; what does proficiency in Warsaw pact (which has not existed for 25 years) countries have to do with tourism for us in the Ukraine? How is that relevant to this discussion? I previously mentioned that Russian is better for the long-term value. The discussion was about what is useful for Ukraine.