[Polero]

For the amount of time, effort and money invested in this, I think 4 notches in 2 weeks is very little. With such massive pipelining operation, getting pro pics, having 3 phones etc I'd only be satisfied with +10 notches.
Question for the OP, I personally think BP is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, did you get to enjoy the city? Did you go see all the sights?

[Cation]

(04-23-2019 05:28 PM)Polero Wrote:  

For the amount of time, effort and money invested in this, I think 4 notches in 2 weeks is very little.

And how many notches did you gather in 2 weeks in Budapest?

[Polero]

@Cation, did you notice how I used the conditional? Meaning I've never invested the resources OP did. He's happy with his results, fair enough, I just pointed out the fact that with the time, money and energy the OP put in all this, 4 bangs isn't much.
If you really wanna know, I can tell you I've lived in BP and after leaving I visited BP many times and with a fraction of the resources and time invested by the OP, I'd get more notches.

[Cation]

Understood.

However, your experience doesn't translate into his at all.

You can not compare the experience of a person who has presumably already established a fraction of a social circle (you) to someone who visited Budapest for the first time (him).

We could agree 4 bangs isn't much, but still it's a far cry from a failure.

[wonderman]

(04-23-2019 05:21 PM)Ternarydemonite Wrote:  

You got quite organized, and investing 400 bucks surely trumps investing 20 hours on the apps. Still, the percentage of flakes was extremely high.

You should apply for more passive filters while having the conversations in order to delete numbers that will flake. Many of those women should have given indications of low interest if you analyze their writing.

If I was you I would actually pay the ghostwriters to have the phones with them and subcontract all the process until you filter and then you add the women to your whatsapp.

Not a bad strategy, but you can still optimize I think. I would try to shoot for only 10 dates, 4 flakes and 4 bangs.

Still, 4 bangs in Budapest is not that a bad outcome as a tourist.

The percentage of flakes would most probably have been a bit lower if I spent more time on writing with them. But then again, setting up fewer dates means less redundancy too.

Problem is the distance Tinder shows. I had Tinder Gold so I activated "hide my distance" when they were active (as otherwise, the girls would have become even more sceptical). However, there is no ideal solution for that. Ok, the best solution would be to find Ghostwriters who already live in that city. If money was no issue, you could hire a full time Ghostwriter who lives close to you so the distance would never be an issue.

I hate whatsapp. I can't write fast on my phone. Yes there are portable keyboards but they are still clunky. And the girls see me when I'm online. I always avoid whatsapp when abroad.

Maybe next time in Serbia I will try to set up first dates in the afternoon and follow-up dates in the evening. I will see.

Right now, the biggest problem I have to deal with is those incoming matches from Budapest with 18-22y old teens. Have to unmatch them as I'm not in Budapest anymore, damn..

[Beirut]

I wouldnt put too much hope in serbia tinder. Although it has resulted in one or two hookups per trip there isnt enough volume there and it had a very high number of matches who never responded.

Belgrade has great cafes and nightlife. Go out there and explore.

[wonderman]

(04-23-2019 06:19 PM)Polero Wrote:  

@Cation, did you notice how I used the conditional? Meaning I've never invested the resources OP did. He's happy with his results, fair enough, I just pointed out the fact that with the time, money and energy the OP put in all this, 4 bangs isn't much.
If you really wanna know, I can tell you I've lived in BP and after leaving I visited BP many times and with a fraction of the resources and time invested by the OP, I'd get more notches.

Ok.

But why the hell is bang = bang for you?

I had kissed with about half of my "non sex dates" (with 3 of them in my apartment, one in the thermal bath, and the others somewhere between the front door of my apartment and somewhere on the street). If it would have been a contest "how many bangs are possible", I probably would have agreed on 2nd dates with all of them and would have collected a few more bangs. BUT. And that's the point. It's not always about the bang. I sometimes prefer another first date instead of having the chance of a 2nd date with an 80% chance to bang. Just because I like that tension on the first date, that usually gets less strong with follow-up dates. I like the feeling of not knowing where it all goes, if she's interested or not. I like that. It's all about the hunt, for me.

Whatever.. should I ever be in Poland again, we can maybe meet for a nightgame session

Ah and last but not least: When it comes to a 2 week holiday, it's pretty easy to meet 1 or 2 attractive women who are also interested in you. Is it a little bit harder to get 3 or 4? No, it's usually more than a little bit harder, that's not a linear process (due to multiple reasons). So while it's rather easy to meet 1 or 2 attractive women (because you can invest time), it's much, much harder to meet 4, 5 or even 6 attractive women who are ready to jump into your bed and I'd say it's superman level like if you achieve even higher numbers than that. Or maybe I'm wrong and live in a bubble, can be too.

[zatara]

(04-24-2019 12:52 PM)wonderman Wrote:  

I hate whatsapp. I can't write fast on my phone. Yes there are portable keyboards but they are still clunky. And the girls see me when I'm online. I always avoid whatsapp when abroad.

For next time: you can disable the online/last seen function for WhatsApp. It means you won't be able to see if other people are online/their last seen, but also hides your own online status from them so its well worth it.

You can also use WhatsApp Web on a PC/laptop in a browser so you can use a proper keyboard. Saves a lot of effort typing.

[wonderman]

(04-24-2019 02:31 PM)zatara Wrote:  

(04-24-2019 12:52 PM)wonderman Wrote:  

I hate whatsapp. I can't write fast on my phone. Yes there are portable keyboards but they are still clunky. And the girls see me when I'm online. I always avoid whatsapp when abroad.

For next time: you can disable the online/last seen function for WhatsApp. It means you won't be able to see if other people are online/their last seen, but also hides your own online status from them so its well worth it.

You can also use WhatsApp Web on a PC/laptop in a browser so you can use a proper keyboard. Saves a lot of effort typing.

I know. I only use whatsapp with this feature and via whatsapp web (however, they still see me online when I'm online). All in all, it's not really an advantage over Tinder. Ok, some say they don't receive notifications from Tinder and in such a case I might switch to whatsapp. I just don't like switching to whatsapp as usually, those girls want to text much more than the others. And I don't like sending more than a few messages back and forth before the date.

[droughtmeat]

Respect for your dedication and perseverance!
If that's what it takes to get laid in Budapest, then it's not a place I'd go to. But then again I don't do online game

[subterfuge]

Well done, matey.
I just got back a week or so ago. I loved it! Had the time of my life.
I only banged tourists. 3 lays in 4 nights.
I very rarely get laid here in the UK, so it shows why all PUA's 'game' in tourist destinations and on travellers! Much easier!
The local girls walking in the daytime were legit 9's in my eyes. Tonnes of them. I didn't have the balls to open them though, lol.
Besides, I don't do dates. Never had one. Wouldn't know where to start. I'm just a night gamer trying for the same night lays
Hold old are you? I only banged teens and one 21 year old and i'm in my 30's. I'm guessing similar to you?

ps - thermal baths. Which one did you go too? My eyes were nearly popping out of my head when tonnes of teenager stunners turned up!

[Mentavious]

(04-24-2019 04:06 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Well done, matey.
I just got back a week or so ago. I loved it! Had the time of my life.
I only banged tourists. 3 lays in 4 nights.
I very rarely get laid here in the UK, so it shows why all PUA's 'game' in tourist destinations and on travellers! Much easier!
The local girls walking in the daytime were legit 9's in my eyes. Tonnes of them. I didn't have the balls to open them though, lol.
Besides, I don't do dates. Never had one. Wouldn't know where to start. I'm just a night gamer trying for the same night lays
Hold old are you? I only banged teens and one 21 year old and i'm in my 30's. I'm guessing similar to you?

ps - thermal baths. Which one did you go too? My eyes were nearly popping out of my head when tonnes of teenager stunners turned up!

Which ones?

[wonderman]

(04-24-2019 04:06 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Well done, matey.
I just got back a week or so ago. I loved it! Had the time of my life.
I only banged tourists. 3 lays in 4 nights.
I very rarely get laid here in the UK, so it shows why all PUA's 'game' in tourist destinations and on travellers! Much easier!
The local girls walking in the daytime were legit 9's in my eyes. Tonnes of them. I didn't have the balls to open them though, lol.
Besides, I don't do dates. Never had one. Wouldn't know where to start. I'm just a night gamer trying for the same night lays
Hold old are you? I only banged teens and one 21 year old and i'm in my 30's. I'm guessing similar to you?

ps - thermal baths. Which one did you go too? My eyes were nearly popping out of my head when tonnes of teenager stunners turned up!

Sounds cool, wish I could see a mini movie of how you met them etc.

Hm, local girls were 9s? Yes I saw a lot of very attractive girls but then again, 90% were average looking in my eyes.

Wow, that would be my dream. I am 37. Still possible for me to meet 20-22y old girls but only if they are sexually liberal (is that the term?), and rather via daygame/nightgame, it happens maybe 1 or 2x per year. Damn I wish I was 23 again, it was super easy back then, at least compared to now.

Did go to the Széchenyi bath.. yes there were so many young bombs there, it was crazy. Too bad I missed the Saturday night party there.

[subterfuge]

(04-25-2019 11:35 AM)wonderman Wrote:  

(04-24-2019 04:06 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Well done, matey.
I just got back a week or so ago. I loved it! Had the time of my life.
I only banged tourists. 3 lays in 4 nights.
I very rarely get laid here in the UK, so it shows why all PUA's 'game' in tourist destinations and on travellers! Much easier!
The local girls walking in the daytime were legit 9's in my eyes. Tonnes of them. I didn't have the balls to open them though, lol.
Besides, I don't do dates. Never had one. Wouldn't know where to start. I'm just a night gamer trying for the same night lays
Hold old are you? I only banged teens and one 21 year old and i'm in my 30's. I'm guessing similar to you?

ps - thermal baths. Which one did you go too? My eyes were nearly popping out of my head when tonnes of teenager stunners turned up!

Sounds cool, wish I could see a mini movie of how you met them etc.

Hm, local girls were 9s? Yes I saw a lot of very attractive girls but then again, 90% were average looking in my eyes.

Wow, that would be my dream. I am 37. Still possible for me to meet 20-22y old girls but only if they are sexually liberal (is that the term?), and rather via daygame/nightgame, it happens maybe 1 or 2x per year. Damn I wish I was 23 again, it was super easy back then, at least compared to now.

Did go to the Széchenyi bath.. yes there were so many young bombs there, it was crazy. Too bad I missed the Saturday night party there.

I'm only a few years younger than you. Like you, tonnes of young girls will basically rule you out instantly due to age, so it's just a numbers game of finding the girls who don't care about age. I also tend to knock about 8 years off my age too which helps!

''Damn I wish I was 23 again, it was super easy back then''

It was NEVER easy for me, lol. I probably get laid now more than I did then, tbh (which isn't saying much! )

Yeah, I saw so many local girls who I would rate as easy 8's and some 9's. Exactly my type. But as I say, I didn't have the balls. Have never tried daygame. Too out of my comfort zone. I just imagine a super stilted, awkward convo lol

The pulls were nothing amazing in terms of how they happened. Just apporaching girls in bars and making convo (where you from bla bla) and showing intent if I felt like I had a shot. I was helped out a lot by meeting these 2 American marines who had the best 'game' (well. Good looking and very confident and loud) I had ever seen in my life. They helped me pull I think. One night me and one of them banged 2 German girls in his room lol

I went to Gellert thermal baths. I went 2 days in a row, and each day at about 5pm, tonnes of teenagers would turn up. 9's everywhere. Was painful, tbh lol

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

I can vouch wonderman had a very solid tinder profile. Very good pictures. I also showed it to my gf and she agreed.
He didn`t do any pipelining in advance, which i personally think could have helped set up dates ahead of arrival + the chance to build more connection/comfort on tinder beforehand. Trying to set up dates early in all convos might seem a bit desperate for some girls. Just speculation, might be wrong on that. Theory is pictures are 95% of the profile and he certainly nailed those.
I understand people say tinder in 2019 is a waste of time, but if you choose to use it the wonderman way pipelineing ahead and aiming for multiple dates with good candidates should yield more lays, but then again he said he wasnt into multiple dates and prefered going for it on the first date, which is fair enough. To each his own.

[Tinder Scientist]

(04-24-2019 12:52 PM)wonderman Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 05:21 PM)Ternarydemonite Wrote:  

You got quite organized, and investing 400 bucks surely trumps investing 20 hours on the apps. Still, the percentage of flakes was extremely high.

You should apply for more passive filters while having the conversations in order to delete numbers that will flake. Many of those women should have given indications of low interest if you analyze their writing.

If I was you I would actually pay the ghostwriters to have the phones with them and subcontract all the process until you filter and then you add the women to your whatsapp.

Not a bad strategy, but you can still optimize I think. I would try to shoot for only 10 dates, 4 flakes and 4 bangs.

Still, 4 bangs in Budapest is not that a bad outcome as a tourist.

The percentage of flakes would most probably have been a bit lower if I spent more time on writing with them. But then again, setting up fewer dates means less redundancy too.

Problem is the distance Tinder shows. I had Tinder Gold so I activated "hide my distance" when they were active (as otherwise, the girls would have become even more sceptical). However, there is no ideal solution for that. Ok, the best solution would be to find Ghostwriters who already live in that city. If money was no issue, you could hire a full time Ghostwriter who lives close to you so the distance would never be an issue.

I hate whatsapp. I can't write fast on my phone. Yes there are portable keyboards but they are still clunky. And the girls see me when I'm online. I always avoid whatsapp when abroad.

Maybe next time in Serbia I will try to set up first dates in the afternoon and follow-up dates in the evening. I will see.

Right now, the biggest problem I have to deal with is those incoming matches from Budapest with 18-22y old teens. Have to unmatch them as I'm not in Budapest anymore, damn..

Wonderman, it is incredibly easy to spoof location if you have minimal tech knowledge. (For tinder just use the web version + google how to spoof location) Surprised not a single of your ghostwriters was able to do this.

[ElJefe1]

If you’re in Budapest why are you chasing the tourist girls when the locals are hot AF and super slutty. Hungarian girls have zero problems with ONS, and if you’re an older guy they are definitely open to it. Don’t get me wrong the tourist girls are there to party and obviously girls on holiday go into instant slut mode but always makes sense to avoid Szimpla or other super touristy places like instant unless it’s 4am and you haven’t pulled them Instant is a great option.

[wonderman]

(04-25-2019 11:03 PM)Tinder Scientist Wrote:  

Wonderman, it is incredibly easy to spoof location if you have minimal tech knowledge. (For tinder just use the web version + google how to spoof location) Surprised not a single of your ghostwriters was able to do this.

Hm. I am pretty sure it's not so easy. I used "fake gps" app but it didn't work anymore (no problem with bumble though). I read some forum posts and others had problems too, faking gps. I mean Tinder has a big interested in making sure users can't fake gps, otherwise the overall tinder experience gets much worse.

However, feel free to send me a link to a tip that works, thx.

[Belgrano]

You approached 62 women and didn't get a single date?

Astonishing.

Would you say it's Budapest being played out or is it something about the way you run day game?

[chvrches]

subterfuge, that's awesome man. Did you run game on some of the girls at the baths? If no, how would you go about doing that? I mean, i've never heard about the baths until recently and supposedly people come to chill and (party?). Will you just chat them up and invite them over to your place, without the involvement of alcohol?

[rishboy77]

(04-26-2019 12:39 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  

If you’re in Budapest why are you chasing the tourist girls when the locals are hot AF and super slutty. Hungarian girls have zero problems with ONS, and if you’re an older guy they are definitely open to it. Don’t get me wrong the tourist girls are there to party and obviously girls on holiday go into instant slut mode but always makes sense to avoid Szimpla or other super touristy places like instant unless it’s 4am and you haven’t pulled them Instant is a great option.

4am... LOL I'm a sleep by then.

There is huge age disparity as I'm almost 50 ....which leads to different strokes for different folks

[wonderman]

(04-26-2019 06:21 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  

You approached 62 women and didn't get a single date?

Astonishing.

Would you say it's Budapest being played out or is it something about the way you run day game?

I am 37 and I approach lots of girls who are betw. 16 and 22. That brings the number down. And I don't approach girls who I think are probably more approachable or who look friendly. I just approach the (in my eyes) most attractive girls and those who dress well/mainstream sexy. And there is a strong tendency that exactly those girls are less approachable. The more standard/exotic a girls outfit, the higher the chance of success, in my opinion. But again, I don't think about that. I just say hi to those girls that have the highest erotic factor in my eyes.

Don't forget, just my pics were good. But in reality, I'm just an average guy, maybe a 6 or so. So I usually approach girls who are on the same level or who are on a higher level. That brings the number down too.

So if I approached only level 5 women betw. 35-45 who look friendly in my eyes, the outcome would be completely different.

But then again I am a bit impatient too. After a few minutes I usually want to say goodbye as I am just not interested in keeping up the conversation. So that brings the number down as well. Could be more patient although it's a pain in the ass.

Some girls maybe think I am a player, that brings the number down as well. Girls always ask me whether I am doing this all the time. Maybe I should act like I'd be nervous, maybe that would help.

Can't really compare Budapest to other cities. Haven't been there long enough. I have approached thousands of women in Switzerland, so I know how it feels there, but I haven't done too much of daygame in other countries, unfortunately. But I wouldn't say Budapest feels much different than the other cities I have visited. And the English skills of the locals are definitely good enough.

However I was in Zagreb about 2 years ago and I remember that all girls I approached there were nice. There was not a single girl who gave me some harsh feedback. That was interesting. It happens all the time in Switzerland. And it happened in Budapest too. But in Zagreb, they were super nice. Will be in Belgrade later this year, I'm wondering how the girls will be there.

And by the way, I am always wondering why you're so surprised. I mean, I never see other guys in my age who are together with good looking girls below 24. It's a very rare thing. Or maybe I don't want to see them so I can't see them

[ElJefe1]

(04-26-2019 02:49 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 12:39 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  

If you’re in Budapest why are you chasing the tourist girls when the locals are hot AF and super slutty. Hungarian girls have zero problems with ONS, and if you’re an older guy they are definitely open to it. Don’t get me wrong the tourist girls are there to party and obviously girls on holiday go into instant slut mode but always makes sense to avoid Szimpla or other super touristy places like instant unless it’s 4am and you haven’t pulled them Instant is a great option.

4am... LOL I'm a sleep by then.

There is huge age disparity as I'm almost 50 ....which leads to different strokes for different folks

Hahaha actually bro there’s no huge disparity in age Between us, but the difference maybe is I’ve always been a night person, an insomniac, and really love to party.

[subterfuge]

(04-26-2019 02:45 PM)chvrches Wrote:  

subterfuge, that's awesome man. Did you run game on some of the girls at the baths? If no, how would you go about doing that? I mean, i've never heard about the baths until recently and supposedly people come to chill and (party?). Will you just chat them up and invite them over to your place, without the involvement of alcohol?

Hell no. Didn't have the guts, plus it just felt too weird. There were tonnes of super young girls and they were all just in a massive social circle with guys too, plus i'm like twice their age which is OK in bars, but not in that sort of situation lol. It would have been pointless I think. Would have been a lottery win! But they were like 9's and 10's everywhere by my standards! Unreal.

I only gamed in bars at night and all of my luck came from tourists (German, Irish and English)

I do regret not trying my luck with a few day game approaches on the local girls though. Some of them were beyond gorgeous.

[ksbms]

(04-28-2019 05:37 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

(04-26-2019 02:45 PM)chvrches Wrote:  

subterfuge, that's awesome man. Did you run game on some of the girls at the baths? If no, how would you go about doing that? I mean, i've never heard about the baths until recently and supposedly people come to chill and (party?). Will you just chat them up and invite them over to your place, without the involvement of alcohol?

Hell no. Didn't have the guts, plus it just felt too weird. There were tonnes of super young girls and they were all just in a massive social circle with guys too, plus i'm like twice their age which is OK in bars, but not in that sort of situation lol. It would have been pointless I think. Would have been a lottery win! But they were like 9's and 10's everywhere by my standards! Unreal.

I only gamed in bars at night and all of my luck came from tourists (German, Irish and English)


I do regret not trying my luck with a few day game approaches on the local girls though. Some of them were beyond gorgeous.

I'm not surprised so many girls seemed 9s and 10s. After all, finding an approachable 8+ (meaning, a girl walking just by herself) in UK, except London can take a week or longer...

What an irony, Irish, English...

You only live once. Nothing to lose, there are no negatives to approach day time, just time. Once you try, You'll kicking yourself why you haven't tried earlier. The "harshness" of doing daytime approaches is all in your head. And if you can integrate it into your day...