[Axel99]

^^Bro you have read WAY too many "game" shit, your head is so deep in the sand you dont realize it's the "game knowledge" thats killing you. If your getting several iois it means your good looking which puts you light years ahead of most guys, but once you start running "game" that's when you turn off the chicks cuz in reality running game comes off weird as fuck and girls know what your doing.

This is what's killin you.

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I start stacking material. Role play, shit talking, sexual banter, jokes, cold reads, anecdotes, etc

[Heuristics]

(01-20-2019 06:38 AM)Axel99 Wrote:  

^^Bro you have read WAY too many "game" shit, your head is so deep in the sand you dont realize it's the "game knowledge" thats killing you. If your getting several iois it means your good looking which puts you light years ahead of most guys, but once you start running "game" that's when you turn off the chicks cuz in reality running game comes off weird as fuck and girls know what your doing.

This is what's killin you.

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I start stacking material. Role play, shit talking, sexual banter, jokes, cold reads, anecdotes, etc

That may be true, maybe I need to just be my natural self, but utilize game structure for sets. Maybe that's the answer. Reflexively looking at what I wrote last night, it looks like the blowouts were my fault, maybe because I was pushing too hard.

I have to conclude that I don't look too bad, much less my dress, otherwise I wouldn't be getting consistent iois.

[RatInTheWoods]

Ease up on the booze, get a buzz for sure, but not drunk and slurring, thats not going to work out for you.

Ease up on the negs and aggression (never say 'spastic' mid set...) you want to try set a fun, chill DNGAF attitude, not a snarky agro one.

Good things are: You are approaching, you and your wing must be attractive for getting IOIS, and you are having fun with it.

Enjoying your journey man.

[Remington]

^^

It's completely normal to absorb all the game knowledge you can and apply it to your approaches when you first start out with this newfound information.

What you need to do is tailor it to your personality and your look so you can optimize your results. This is all trial and error. Once you hone in on what works best for you, you are going to crush it.

Edit: RITW got in before I could post.

[Axel99]

(01-20-2019 04:10 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Ease up on the booze, get a buzz for sure, but not drunk and slurring, thats not going to work out for you.

Ease up on the negs and aggression (never say 'spastic' mid set...) you want to try set a fun, chill DNGAF attitude, not a snarky agro one.

Good things are: You are approaching, you and your wing must be attractive for getting IOIS, and you are having fun with it.

Enjoying your journey man.

I think he should drink more, enough to be drunk but not slurring, this will help him forget all the "game" hes running and be more natural.

[Heuristics]

I think everyone is right about easing up and acting more natural. Also the negs, I'm not trying to neg per se, but to tease. I went out last night blitzed and can see how it's impossible to game on more than a beer. I took the input I got yesterday and practiced yesterday on strippers for 3 hours--I think that counts as gaming...

Anyway, me and wing had strip club to ourselves, and holy fuck is my confidence been going through the roof (must be one of the results of doing no-fap 1 wk+). Since we literally have the place to ourselves, only paying customers, we have captive targets in 3 strippers there, cute Hispanic girl with nice titts, Hispanic girl with a choker with a cross on it, and black girl wearing a weedleaf bikini.

I go to strip clubs to talk shit, relax, smoke cigs, get drunk, and have fun with friends in something of a safe space from sjws and libtards. Anyway so I work on shit talking, so I run through some material that I use as a jumping off point for conversations (generally a lot of travel material, music, art, and my favorite when I'm hammered: pop culture). Chronologically, I'm not going to remember perfectly but here's some things that happened in my time there while I was working on some things that guys pointed out:

-i talked to 2 girls for 2 hours, and the third for 3 hours. That's an accomplishment because they could get up and leave whenever they wanted.

-im working on getting chummy with service staff, I talked to 3 different people, took their names, and got them to laugh

-although not negging, I worked on making these girls qualify themselves, the black girl I made her show me her insta (or maybe she offered). Cutie with tits I make her talk to me about politics because she's from a political town. I say I'm having trouble understanding her just to fuck with her and she started laughing. I role play with choker girl about going to church on Sunday. Then I say she has to submit to me like a good Christian wife. Then I call her my concubine and she looks confused. These two are just basically laughing nonstop for two hours. They tell my wing, "where the fuck did you find this maniac?"

I worked these girls for like 2 hours, I'd been talking to the black girl for a bit so I turned my attention to her after 2 hrs had elapsed. (I hope I didn't upstage my wing but I was very high energy). She seemed very into me, anyway.

-i worked on making conversation sexual/ double entendres/ innuendo. I have trouble doing this sober but it's so easy when drunk bc I don't second guess myself or self-censor, the stuff just rolls out. I worked on all sorts of wordplay and 10 minutes into the convocation were talking about large dildos, etc. I was also saying shit like "the Lord is speaking to me through you" while looking at the girls boobs. I had the black girl talk to me about Kanye west, Kim Kardashian, and the RayJ sex tape.

-I worked on kino... Brushing, touching girls arms, thighs, hands, grabbing boobs, rubbing nipples. I also stimulated one of the girls...

-i complimented all of them. I'm not trying to put myself over other people, thus I made sure to tell them I thought they were pretty, had x nice feature, enjoyed their company (they didn't have to talk to us for 3 he's).

Note:holy fuck does dressing up work. A, you and your wing are congruent. B, you look way better in a jacket than you do with a t shirt. C, you look nicer than literally 99 percent of men, and girls will open you or compliment you... Which happened with these strippers. They wanted to know what we'd been doing all day and why we were dressed up, so it was a great conversation starter.

Shit these girls seemed to be all over me. Fucking touching, brushing, their position in relation to me, everything. The gym must be working for me as well as the new wardrobe.

Also I had the black girl twirl for me so I could inspect her, I must have read about that move/ compliance test somewhere. Anyway it was a good idea.

[Repo]

So did you exchange digits? Messages on instagram? What are you doing to escalate? Because this sounds like normal stripper behavior

[Heuristics]

(01-21-2019 07:30 PM)Repo Wrote:  

So did you exchange digits? Messages on instagram? What are you doing to escalate? Because this sounds like normal stripper behavior

Yeah it prob is normal behavior. I got one of the girl's IGs. Just practicing.

[Captain Gh]

My man like other posters have mentioned... you need to slow down a little! If women are straight up giving you IOI... you can leave the David D cocky funny @ home... and just be the chill smooth sexual guy til you create enough rapport & then smash (sorry Khabib smesh ) And be careful with strip clubs. Until you reach Game Mastery level... they potentially can be more Hurtful than Helpful

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(01-21-2019 11:15 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

My man like other posters have mentioned... you need to slow down a little! If women are straight up giving you IOI... you can leave the David D cocky funny @ home... and just be the chill smooth sexual guy til you create enough rapport & then smash (sorry Khabib smesh ) And be careful with strip clubs. Until you reach Game Mastery level... they potentially can be more Hurtful than Helpful

Thanks. I'm a bit intense, and thinking maybe i'm rushing sets, and I need to be building more comfort before taking numbers or escalating too much.

It could be all my wing getting the IOIs, but we look pretty similar and I've made eye contact with girls giving me the IOIs, so there's that....

[Heuristics]

Daygame attempted today, zero approaches. Went to the mall. Empty basically in the evening, around 6 or so. I saw 4 potential sets, that was it, i missed the first two due to approach anxiety and other two were behind me. I have to be really careful about getting burned.

Shift to the bar, can't do any approaches here b/c the bar area is full.

Right now I'm at a coffee shop in the city center. Ratio skewed females, like 85 percent female, currently maybe like 10-15 cute college age girls in here. I'm putting this spot on lock. This is a new game spot, hopefully I can figure out how to make gaming work here.

Again, have to be careful about getting burned.

Supposedly this is the top coffeeshop in my town per yelp.

Will try the mall again in a few days, maybe saturday or sunday. I don't really have the balls to approach in this coffeeshop right now.... I feel like I've gotten several IOIs, i am one of the only decent looking college-aged guys in here right now.

Ideas?

[Captain Gh]

There's always going to be approach anxiety up to a certain point... but if you're dealing with the crippling kind like I believe you are... then starting with the good ol "asking directions" to women in the streets is the way to go. You'll know it's BS, they'll know it's BS... and you'll know they know it's BS... and that's the point! It is a must do in order to get over the fear of what women in the daytime are thinking in order to perform well when you start approaching for real. I've attempted to skip this step in the beginning... and the sooner I did it... the sooner I was able to manage the "anxiety" until I could mentally brush it aside at will. If I did it... anyone can do it trust me!

Once you're past this anxiety state... start off slow! If you approach in a Mall... forget about going direct for now! Security will notice & boot you out of there. Casually hit up a bookstore... and simply make a witty statement similar to "You definitely look like you like enjoy this one" or "I've been meaning to read that is it any good?" These are Very casual way of starting conversations & getting the ball rolling. Inside of a coffee shop ... use the same strategy, but with a little bit more tempo & energy

Once you start having good convos easily in those environment... I would recommend you start going direct on the streets! I know it's 2019, and there was just an incident with a Daygame PUA, it's simply too good & effective to not be done as a DayGamer. But not to worry about this now... this is for down the line my friend!

[Bikal]

(01-24-2019 03:40 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Start off slow! If you approach in a Mall... forget about going direct for now! Security will notice & boot you out of there. Casually hit up a bookstore... and simply make a witty statement similar to "You definitely look like you like enjoy this one" or "I've been meaning to read that is it any good?" These are Very casual way of starting conversations & getting the ball rolling. Inside of a coffee shop ... use the same strategy, but with a little bit more tempo & energy

This is the best advice he could receive, using a prop as the hook for an opener in such environments is the best way forward.

I can't begin to count the number of opens I've made due to being next to a girl who is reading a legitimately interesting book in a coffee shop alone but is giving me eyes, it's the easiest open and if it goes south, no need to worry as you've not said anything that would prompt management to kick you out compared to being too direct in your game, coming across as a creep and then getting kicked out or worse, barred!

[Heuristics]

-Wake up exhausted from my boring ass job. "Well at least I'm not in a third world shithole", I tell myself.
-Pump myself up on the way to work, knowing that daygame or nightgame will happen today, and I have a new shot at success.
-The landscape is littered with fast food restaurants and big ass pickup trucks. Resign myself to the fact that I'm eating fast food because I'm too tired to manage anything else for lunch.
-Skip out of lunch real quick, and drive briskly to libtard starbucks, telling myself it's maybe a place I can game. Grab a coffee with a giftcard, I would never give them a dollar of my own money. As I'm scoping out the college-aged girls studying here, think: shit, this is really my only option in 2019. Get chatted up by some old dude. Probably the highlight of my day, because at least not everyone is living an atomized life ruled by tech overlords in Cuckafornia. Make mental note to come back to game at starbucks with my giftcard, keeping in mind I can also am not obligated to buy anythingbecause of the massive political correctness that pervades every corporate virtue-signalling chain now.
-Finish a 10 hour shift and fight weariness on the way home. Stuff myself with processed food just trying to get some energy for inevitable nightgame.
-Put on my nicest clothes realizing no-one cares, everyone is all-consumed by their smartphones.
-Wing calls and fight drowsiness to get to the club.
-Arrive at college night realizing I'm no longer in college, and that I have nothing in common with most zoomers.
-Take large pulls off my Juul because smoking is no longer socially acceptable-- a pale imitation of the real thing; at least I'm an ironic Ecig smoker.
-Can't drink because it's the poison of the masses and it pacifies me. No wonder there is a massive push to legalize marijuana by the power brokers.
-Barely able to keep myself standing up, approach a 3-set with wing following. Use an observational opener, make every effort to be friendly, push through mild disinterest, still fall flat. Eject.
-Place is too loud, and I have no business being here. Should have daygamed.
-Wing opens set in Scottish accent, get interest. Don't really have an opinion on the accent, women have short attention spans and we'll probably get blown-out anyway. Within minutes disinterest. This could continue all night.
-Leave because wing wants backup for tinder date a strip club. Shake head.
-Arrive at strip club, because I want to see this shit go down. Tinder match (stripper) approaches.
-They go home within 10 minutes. Decide I'm getting wing's input on my Tinder even though I can see the mismatch between him and all his tinder matches... I guess this is how things go in 2019--massive hypergamy on the part of women.
-Realize the country is falling apart slowly, don't even bother turning on the tv. The internet is subjugated too, not worth the effort. Will be an even bigger problem when an EMP hits and everyone is starving.
-There is some solace to be found in god, thinking of going to church on sunday, but there are no potential wives to be found at church, much less a good message. Christian Chad already took the church's women. Wouldn't go to church anyway because most all the American ones are cucked in terms of theology or politics.
-Write up approach log, and hope the going is better tomorrow.
-Hope I manage my way through this American Hellscape, finding a wife and having kids before shit really does go nuclear.

[SamuelBRoberts]

You're sounding a little depressed and cynical, man.
Sorry to here it hasn't been going well.

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(01-24-2019 11:41 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

You're sounding a little depressed and cynical, man.
Sorry to here it hasn't been going well.

Only time will tell what the results are. I'm trying to dedicate a bit of time everyday to game so I have a schedule.

I'm led to conclude several things so far:

1) Nightgame is largely dead unless you vibe well with a girl and are able to isolate, build rapport taking time, and get a number or take her home.
2) Guys are getting screwed on dating apps even if they're getting laid. Massive imbalance at play with apps. Girls are waiting out their perfect match and/or using them for validation because IG, Snap, Facebook, Twitter, texting, real life approaches, and a gynocentric society with on-demand abortion aren't enough.
3) Daygame can yield results, but also the hardest way to do things. This is where I see my gaming future, with online game a distant second. (Mainly because my face is average, looking young for my age on the apps.)
4) Tech has created a massive paradigm shift that has (and will have) massive consequences on society, which run through social interactions, pickup, employment and the brain. Everything is much worse unless you're in the top strata of men/ elites who now even have more access. In terms of translating to pickup, much has changed in the past years as social media has become more important and attention spans have shortened. People are unable to distinguish between reality and hyperreality as Baudrillard would say. Just think for a moment how fucked up your (or others') perception of reality is fucked up by Big Tech. Most of us are already living in a simulation.

[Repo]

A comedown to earth was inevitable given you said your game is intermediate despite having a year long drought. . . That's beginner level, and the fact you didnt realize this means you have a lack of social awareness. Anyway on to the actionable. ..

Do you have friends that you do social stuff with besides gaming? If not, make that a priority. If you do, do you invite people that you meet when your out, or get invited to stuff by the people you meet?

It sounds like you dont have a problem approaching or chatting up new people. ..so why not leverage this into social circle game so you dont have to rely on cold approaches all the time. Your 22 you said, you should have plenty in common with college kids or people fresh out. Get your friends together and throw some parties.

[Heuristics]

(01-25-2019 12:41 AM)Repo Wrote:  

A comedown to earth was inevitable given you said your game is intermediate despite having a year long drought. . . That's beginner level, and the fact you didnt realize this means you have a lack of social awareness. Anyway on to the actionable. ..

Do you have friends that you do social stuff with besides gaming? If not, make that a priority. If you do, do you invite people that you meet when your out, or get invited to stuff by the people you meet?

It sounds like you dont have a problem approaching or chatting up new people. ..so why not leverage this into social circle game so you dont have to rely on cold approaches all the time. Your 22 you said, you should have plenty in common with college kids or people fresh out. Get your friends together and throw some parties.

It's somewhere between beginner and intermediate, but there's a disjuncture because when I was gaming prior, I was kind of a different person. I made a lot of changes in my life.

Yeah I do have some friends, but a lot in the bar scene really.

I'm up for a party.

[RatInTheWoods]

HEURO NEEDS A HUG.

Chin up son!

[Repo]

That's good I hope that you made positive changes. I wasnt trying to be negative, I was trying to point out that there may be a disconnect between where you think your game is and the reasons it isnt working, which is making it harder for you to improve.

It's not just about having parties, but more developing a social circle in general. There is a great thread on the forum on this topic already. As part of your development you should be trying to create circles of friends who you do cool stuff with, which will lead to meeting new friends and women, enabling some degree of pre selection. Theres no reason to box yourself in to only doing cold approaches, which by nature can be harder if your game isnt up to par. Plus social circles will help you pick up on some social nuances that you may be missing which is hurting you when you go gaming.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(01-25-2019 08:13 AM)Repo Wrote:  

That's good I hope that you made positive changes. I wasnt trying to be negative, I was trying to point out that there may be a disconnect between where you think your game is and the reasons it isnt working, which is making it harder for you to improve.

It's not just about having parties, but more developing a social circle in general. There is a great thread on the forum on this topic already. As part of your development you should be trying to create circles of friends who you do cool stuff with, which will lead to meeting new friends and women, enabling some degree of pre selection. Theres no reason to box yourself in to only doing cold approaches, which by nature can be harder if your game isnt up to par. Plus social circles will help you pick up on some social nuances that you may be missing which is hurting you when you go gaming.

You know what the title of that thread is? Trying to find something like that is a challenging task.

[Repo]

^^ Yup I was going to link but then forgot, good callout.

Here you go:

thread-34576.html

[IWILLKILLROOSH]

How's this for a dry spell.

17 YEARS

I WILL take down this forum.

[Heuristics]

(01-25-2019 08:13 AM)Repo Wrote:  

That's good I hope that you made positive changes. I wasnt trying to be negative, I was trying to point out that there may be a disconnect between where you think your game is and the reasons it isnt working, which is making it harder for you to improve.

It's not just about having parties, but more developing a social circle in general. There is a great thread on the forum on this topic already. As part of your development you should be trying to create circles of friends who you do cool stuff with, which will lead to meeting new friends and women, enabling some degree of pre selection. Theres no reason to box yourself in to only doing cold approaches, which by nature can be harder if your game isnt up to par. Plus social circles will help you pick up on some social nuances that you may be missing which is hurting you when you go gaming.

I would say my wing has higher social proof than me, and also looks edgier. You won't believe what that does in terms of IOIs in small towns. That's novel as fuck. It is easy to see I need to put in work on social circles, and maybe even get more females in the mix.

Probably need to drink less going out and make an effort to connect with people, especially those my age or with my interests. I need to be hitting art galleries or university events, I think those would both help. Definitely need a broad cross section of people to get input from and hang out with.

[Heuristics]

Nightgame. College night. 25cent drinks, I'll drink to that. Dispatch from the strip club:

I don't have approach anxiety at the club. Just amusing jumping through these hoops in this Middle American Post Industrial Hellscape.

Finally approach 2 set based on proximity. Talking to another fucking wall. It's official: all American girls have at least mild autism. It must be the Flouride in the water. Oh, cool your husband is in the military, we'll get along.

I don't have time for this and you already said you don't dance. So unique and quirky! Hop in the car, greeted with a warning about opiates on the radio--for many poor souls (who were never given the choice by their doctors) the warning is years too late. This is middle America and even the idiots here running the place were too slow to notice it, that's what you call Russia-level shit. For people on the coasts, they're on even more of a delay. America is corroding, will continue corroding, and has been corroding. My constituent group, millenials/zoomers has been fucked by wars in the middle east, sub-prime lending, and bloodsucking globalism coupled with Wall Street's worst cannibalistic cocaine-fueled impulses. Federal Reserve, who gives a fuck, they've been destroying the "Full faith and credit" of the US for years, but everyone was stuck in their ways worrying about their next iPhone upgrade. The police wear body-cams but it's of no solace, just like the parasitic journalist class is able to spin any story their way regardless of evidence, the same happens with many going about their lives. An incoming police state, that will rival China, Singapore, or Monaco, is assured by the cameras, which by the way, are pointed at us. Automation and people like Bezos have bought America, and will sell for the lowest price.

Industrial park, you know what that means. Strip club. Shit talk practice time. Girl is hot, but maybe just the newest iteration of no-fap I'm on. I feel so atomized I'm a rootless cosmopolitan. The girl is on pills. I feel a twinge of empathy, this is a problem much more prevalent than they're telling us. Come to think of it, I think no-one has any clue how bad it's getting. Is there anything amusing that isn't related to alcohol or social media. Living in the moment, no it won't be on Instagram. No, I don't want to listen to country. Write Field report while here. Rinse and repeat.

Tommorow is a new day.