[nordicplayer]

During the past 2 years I can't recall a single occasion were I saw somebody hooking up on the dance floor and making out. I get rejected by every girl I approch and so does everybody else. The girls look shallow and without joy, like being there is "work" or something. 5 years ago it was the complete opposite of this. I'd get at least 2 makeouts per night and a couple of bangs a month from just dance floor game alone.

Wtf is going on?

[Axel99]

No way, clubs are as lively as ever there's a new one popping up everyweek in my city and they always packed, I constantly see girls getting picked up, making out, grinding on dudes, getting into strange cars, etc. Also covers and bottle service are getting more expensive because there is more demand now than 5yrs ago.

[nordicplayer]

Where are you located? I'm in Scandinavia.
It's in every damned place I've been too.
Could snapshat play a role in this decline? Every girl has atleast 20 dudes on the wire and going out is probably just for the snap of them dacing in a club

[Sidney Crosby]

Night game is dead, there will be never be any sex from night game ever again.

[Fortis]

Is dead game night and buried?

[JackinMelbourne]

Fuck no, are you serious? Night game will not be dead as long as venues remain open at night with liquor licenses.

The real killer to night game is pill/drug culture and SJW nonsense. Avoid places that specifically cater to that type of clientele unless you want to go hear some awesome music.

[JekyllAndHyde]

Roosh speaks about quality issues and the smartphone.

Looks like it's down to chance.

[nordicplayer]

The podcast is spot on actually.

[Investment Bro]

23 threads from 110 posts? Cmon man, stop flooding the forum with this low value bullshit.

This topic has been discussed many times. I'd say at this point it's common knowledge: night game is getting harder. Attention spans are lower than before, and women have more choice than ever to get their pussies filled.

That just means one thing. Your game needs to be tighter and your style needs to be better. We're a self improvement forum at our very core. I argue the opposite; if it started getting easier to pull from night clubs, nightgame would really be dying because we'd have a flood of people doing it.

Nightgame is alive and well, if you're not getting results, you're either not a night game type, or more likely you're not putting in enough numbers or your game needs a tuneup.

[Beirut]

The beauty of night game is that regardless of results you had an epic night out.

Unless youre there sipping club soda and logging your club approaches while facetiming your coach.

[ADEBISIGARANA]

Honestly. I've been using night game for the past decade for lays. Lately, I have been going out at night I am single never married no ho. So for the past year..I've been going and getting nothing but pure hostility from not only girls but also bar attenders..bouncers..I think I'm getting old everything is under new management new aged young liberal cats calling the shots . But fuck it age is nothing but a number. These punks don't even lift...leave alone Sprint up mountains barefoot like I do. I mean what's the world coming to. Thank God for this forum where I can vent.

[LINUX]

Night-game is dead for average looking men with average bodies and average social skills.

It's also dead for those who can't think outside the box.

It's also dead for those who are slaves to their thoughts and emotions.

You also need to sit back and think to yourself what exactly is "night-game", at least in western countries. Once you sit down and think about it for a while, you come to the conclusion that for the majority of people, but not all, they go to clubs to get drunk and to find someone to be with because they want an escape from themselves. It's broken people trying to cover scars with false personas. You're not going to help them cover their scars and forget about their pain when you have nothing to offer them as an escape. They don't give a fuck if you are an engineer and have a 401k. If they can have a one night stand with a jacked guy or a guy who has access to drugs, they are going to take that over the normal guy standing in a corner sipping his beer, trying to look like he's comfortable.

Nothing you can do about it. It is what it is. Sometimes you can find outliers in the crowd when you come across a woman who really shouldn't be where she is in the here and now but she happened to find herself there for a rare reason like a meeting with friends, birthday parties, helping a friend get over a relationship. But that's rare and the prime time for that is 10 pm- 11 pm, not 1 am - 2 am like most people think.

[Kieran]

Night-game is not dead. Clubs aren't what they were though, and in the UK at least the best venues tend to be cocktail bars and gastro-pubs, rather than nightclubs. I also agree with LINUX that the best time is earlier in the evening, maybe even as early as 7.00 - 11.00, rather than the late night.

While I do agree with linux about being jacked etc., we also have to remember that good game in and of itself is value and an average guy with good game can still do very well in night-life simply because it's a lot more entertaining to a girl than the other boring blokes she'll be used to meeting. Combine both and the sky's the limit.

[ShuaiGe]

(07-21-2018 04:56 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  

Roosh speaks about quality issues and the smartphone.

Looks like it's down to chance.

Just listened to the whole thing. It's a bit long but full of good information

[Gotti]

I’m one of those tall jacked guys who has some success in nightclubs. Most of my success is easy. Women will give me IOIs or even approach me. It does seem like it’s getting harder to keep women’s attention.

What I’m realizing is that going to the best clubs is not always the right strategy. Typically there are tons of dimes there but the competition is much higher and the women are harder to wheel.

I went to an Irish Pub last night and found it easy. The competition was nearly non-existent. There was only a few hot women but it was enough. It was also an environment where you could actually have a conversation.

My days of wheeling on dance floors are likely behind me, as much fun as that can be.

[Teedub]

I hate nightclubs so I don't know. What I do know is that the way me and my mates used to approach girls on the dancefloor in the early 2000s would now be considered sexual harassment. The good old 'grind behind her and see if she's receptive' approach. Fun times. I remember one girl putting her hands into my boxers and basically wanking me off in the middle of 'Lean Back'... I'm not sure if today's cosseted Gen Z'ers are into that kind of stuff with all their puritanism.

[scotian]

As an alcoholic, I don't enjoy going out as much anymore simply because there's too many rules nowadays. Back when I started going to bars and clubs in 2000 you could smoke inside and there were great drink specials like $1 shots and $2 beers, I could go out and get drunk for $20-30. Now in most Canadian cities those deals don't exist and you can't smoke, also the rise of online dating and people staying home to watch Netflix and chill with people who they meet online has made the crowds less fun.

[Incubus]

Yes the good ol days in Canada where people went to bars around 9 or 10 pm and waited for a live band to start up so the dancing could begin. Where the beer/whiskey flowed along with the pot along with the odd person on uppers (or acid thats how far back I go)

We have a culture that now goes out at 12 am already stoned (opioid crisis) and binge drinks into a stupor within 2 hours. A youth culture that your more likely to get shot than into a fist fight like the old days. A hookup culture that somehow dragged it's ass past AIDS but it's still on peoples minds while sipping a cocktail. Party replaced by individualism beta groupthink and the selfie.
Ear numbing music because nobodies talking and nobody is looking outside their own inbred group.

Chicks out grow "clubs" by their early 20's or when done university.....someone above nailed it gastropubs is the new age with smartphone zombies sitting eating in little groups at little tables putting more debt onto there credit cards.
Also the mid twenties working girls make a bee line for pubs/patio's after work to find a husband. IMO best time for chicks 5pm onward at pubs (have a wingman for pub food/banter talk) and yes the chicks are thinning out basically by 9pm.
Can a guy be a unnoticed "player" at a pub...nope

[Sidney Crosby]

If I owned a club or restaurant I'd make people put their phones in one of these cases, at least until I went broke.

https://www.overyondr.com/

They should be in all high schools or elementary schools as well

[monsquid]

(07-22-2018 06:22 AM)Gotti Wrote:  

I’m one of those tall jacked guys who has some success in nightclubs. Most of my success is easy. Women will give me IOIs or even approach me. It does seem like it’s getting harder to keep women’s attention.

What I’m realizing is that going to the best clubs is not always the right strategy. Typically there are tons of dimes there but the competition is much higher and the women are harder to wheel.

I went to an Irish Pub last night and found it easy. The competition was nearly non-existent. There was only a few hot women but it was enough. It was also an environment where you could actually have a conversation.

My days of wheeling on dance floors are likely behind me, as much fun as that can be.

Don't give up Gotti. Keep the torch lit and never give in!

[UniversalMen]

I think we're all forgetting one key thing about night game. It's not just nightclubs where gorgeous girls are congregating.

It wouldn't hurt guys to hit those smaller bars, gastropubs, bar/arcade, restaurant-strip-malls (seems to be a modern trend) near theaters or downtown areas. You have a lot of local hotties that frequent these places.

In Seattle/L.A. areas, there are these secluded restaurant/bars in some of the most random parts of a city that are just packed with people. Not an entertainment venue or nightclub but seem to be popular places to hang out, in the last couple of years.

[monsquid]

I'm 33 and I feel like I can't be bothered to be out late paying in loud music around obnoxious people. That's just me though.

Bottom line is that game is changing. Women have more options than ever. Men are more thirsty than ever. Time to fucking move to SEA or EE permanently once I figure out my cash flow.

[Pointer]

I've never had a positive experience in fancy clubs. Stick to the underground/student bars and clubs and your results will be 10 times better.
Nightlife is definitely getting worse in terms of ratios but Latin dance clubs are still solid.

[Beyond Borders]

(07-23-2018 07:41 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

If I owned a club or restaurant I'd make people put their phones in one of these cases, at least until I went broke.

https://www.overyondr.com/

They should be in all high schools or elementary schools as well

Cool idea.

Hope to see ideas like this start trending.