[DonnyGately]

1. Rakim
1a. Nas
3. Biggie
4. Ice Cube
5. Chuck D

[jordypip23]

(06-21-2018 12:14 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 11:34 AM)jordypip23 Wrote:  

My younger brother is a huge Tech N9ne fan. He might be the most successful independent rapper of all time? Never relied on major record labels, but instead pure independent hustle, no?

^^^Same with Immortal Technique, solid dudes.

Yeah I agree. Immortal Technique is a lyrical beast. Great rapper for sure.

[jordypip23]

(06-21-2018 11:51 AM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 11:17 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 11:05 AM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

Yeah, But a new sort of lyricism is making it's move in the us. While Don q and other new york rappers stay true to 90s and 2000 lyrical vibe, In some places where lyricism never was that popping(the south and midwest) rappers are trying to be more lyrical but not in that multi amazing bars way,

they're bars fit in with their songs more in the same way rappers did in the dj screw mix tapes and they say the same shit and rephrase it a lot similar to cam'ron but these rappers are more pronounced with it, The rhyming is more similar to the early 80s rap , treacherous three, kool moe dee and kurtis blow

Rappers like jay critch, ski mask the slump god and to lesser degree Denzel curry( He's far more lyrical then them) do this a lot.

How are you gonna start a top 5 rap groups thread, and name yourself after a classic Jedi Mind Tricks album....but not mention them at all?

Haha , I named myself after a foxy brown line on The firm -Affirmative action which Jedi name tricks named the're album after.

We stay incogni' like all them thug niggas in Marcy
The gods, they praise Allah with visions of Gandhi

I think maybe The Firm (Nas, AZ, Foxy Brown, Nature) was a victim of poor market positioning & market saturation by some competitors. I think the group got a little bit too bubblegum & jiggy for the hardcore street fans, but maybe they were a little too street for the pop rap fans. Meanwhile, Bad Boy Records knew how to appeal to the jiggy pop rap fans better than anyone in 1997 & thanks to Notorious B.I.G. they had the streets on lock too.

[kaotic]

One of the best things about this thread is checking out alot of little nuggets of rap's past and present.

Some I didn't even know about, keep this shit going!

[floridaboiii]

Top 5

Mos Def
Kanye West
Kendrick Lamar
Ghostface Killah
Future... I can't not put in here I listen to him to much.

[azulsombra]

Top 5 rappers based on lyricism, body of work, skill, content and consistency:

1.Jay
2. Pac
3.Nas
4.Em
5. Wayne

[Winston Wolfe]

Shit, a thread about great rappers and nobody mentions R.A. The Rugged Man?

I invite you all to sit back, relax, and listen to one of the greatest verses of all time.

This song is a collaboration by Vinnie Paz of Jedi Mind Tricks and R.A. The Rugged Man, about the Vietnam war.

Vinnie Paz's verse isn't bad at all, but at 1:30 into the song, R.A. goes on an epic non-stop 2 minute rampage.

- Insane lyricism
- It tells the TRUE story of his own father who fought in the war
- You can almost imagine yourself being there

Listen to this and tell me that's not good.

As an alternative, listen to pretty much any song by R.A.

Another gem that gives me goosebumps.

Fans of pure lyrics, lyrics, lyrics: enjoy.

Edit: also worth mentioning that this cat has been around since the days of Biggie and was one of his personal friends. In fact, Biggie had immense respect for him.

From the article:

Quote:

Now before you think: “Oh yeah, another new industry cat who the media are claiming is the new saviour of hip-hop.” Think again. R.A. has been in the game since the early nineties. He was being derogatory to women and taking jabs at himself long before Dr. Dre found a certain Mr. Mathers’ demo tape on Jimmy Iovine’s garage floor. R.A. signed to Jive at 18 before being infamously dropped after they wanted him to make a record like Biggie’s Juicy. As Jive had already lined Biggie up for a guest spot the duo decided to make the most of the studio time and Cunt Renaissance was born. It is the filthiest, un-radio friendly joint I have ever heard. However, the track which got Rugged the respect amongst his peers he so rightly deserved was Every Record Label Sucks Dick; this time R.A. went directly at the label themselves. After their work together Biggie himself was famously quoted when referring to R.A.:“I thought I was the illest”.

R.A. then decided that going independent was the best way forward for his career and in 2004 dropped Die Rugged Man, Die. Five more years of an almost unheard R.A. and Legendary Classics Volume 1 drops: a collection of R.A.’s unreleased and best tracks. Not in a record store near you, but R.A. fans know where they can get their hands on this rare treat.

Guy has been independent all of his life.

[Thot Leader]

This thread had me dig up my Gang Starr and Tribe Called Quest CDs. Thank you!

[jordypip23]

(06-21-2018 03:29 PM)ShotgunUppercuts Wrote:  

Oh yea as far as west coats mc’s

Planet asia

Tristate

Killa kalli

Killer ben


Evidence

Blu (check out good to be home)

Are nice for some modern shit.

I've always been a fan of Planet Asia. That guy can seriously spit some bars.

[jordypip23]

(06-21-2018 10:17 PM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

Shit, a thread about great rappers and nobody mentions R.A. The Rugged Man?

I invite you all to sit back, relax, and listen to one of the greatest verses of all time.

This song is a collaboration by Vinnie Paz of Jedi Mind Tricks and R.A. The Rugged Man, about the Vietnam war.

Vinnie Paz's verse isn't bad at all, but at 1:30 into the song, R.A. goes on an epic non-stop 2 minute rampage.

- Insane lyricism
- It tells the TRUE story of his own father who fought in the war
- You can almost imagine yourself being there

Listen to this and tell me that's not good.

As an alternative, listen to pretty much any song by R.A.

Another gem that gives me goosebumps.

Fans of pure lyrics, lyrics, lyrics: enjoy.

Edit: also worth mentioning that this cat has been around since the days of Biggie and was one of his personal friends. In fact, Biggie had immense respect for him.

From the article:

Quote:

Now before you think: “Oh yeah, another new industry cat who the media are claiming is the new saviour of hip-hop.” Think again. R.A. has been in the game since the early nineties. He was being derogatory to women and taking jabs at himself long before Dr. Dre found a certain Mr. Mathers’ demo tape on Jimmy Iovine’s garage floor. R.A. signed to Jive at 18 before being infamously dropped after they wanted him to make a record like Biggie’s Juicy. As Jive had already lined Biggie up for a guest spot the duo decided to make the most of the studio time and Cunt Renaissance was born. It is the filthiest, un-radio friendly joint I have ever heard. However, the track which got Rugged the respect amongst his peers he so rightly deserved was Every Record Label Sucks Dick; this time R.A. went directly at the label themselves. After their work together Biggie himself was famously quoted when referring to R.A.:“I thought I was the illest”.

R.A. then decided that going independent was the best way forward for his career and in 2004 dropped Die Rugged Man, Die. Five more years of an almost unheard R.A. and Legendary Classics Volume 1 drops: a collection of R.A.’s unreleased and best tracks. Not in a record store near you, but R.A. fans know where they can get their hands on this rare treat.

Guy has been independent all of his life.

LOL, yeah I love RA The Rugged Man. Ever since I heard "Stanley Kubrick" I was hooked. Another man's man / veteran in the hip hop game. None of this queer shit that has been pushed more recently heheheh.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

@jordypip23

Yeah i just got out on to him a few years back when he dropped durag dynasty with alchemist.

I was blown away at the time by the lyricism of him and gcm .Seems these days Tristate outshines him bar for bar . Thats just my opinion though. Dude is nice nonetheless.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Don’t know if you guys are familiar withthe guys at Griselda records. They got signed to shady records last year (Westsidegunn and conway)

West side is dropping another album in a day or two

Out of that group i mess with benny and conway the most


From new york im checking for Hus kingpin (the winners) check out cocaine beach or house of kingpin : the revamp

And this cat names LIl Eto .dude dropped a very nice tape in 2017 called Omerta : the film with v don. I recommend that to all the cats looking for boom bap new york shit.

[jordypip23]

(06-21-2018 11:22 PM)ShotgunUppercuts Wrote:  

Don’t know if you guys are familiar withthe guys at Griselda records. They got signed to shady records last year (Westsidegunn and conway)

West side is dropping another album in a day or two

Out of that group i mess with benny and conway the most


From new york im checking for Hus kingpin (the winners) check out cocaine beach or house of kingpin : the revamp

And this cat names LIl Eto .dude dropped a very nice tape in 2017 called Omerta : the film with v don. I recommend that to all the cats looking for boom bap new york shit.

I'm checking for that Westside Gunn & Conway for sure. Hardest rappers out of Buffalo, New York.

[jordypip23]

(06-21-2018 11:42 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

58 posts and not one mention for Snoop? No mention for Tha Dogg Pound, either as a group, or for Kurupt and Das Dillinger as individuals? Sad!

Even though these guys are obviously leaning liberal in the modern era you gotta remember that the feminists HATED these guys in the early 90's lol! They were constantly denounced for their misogynistic & violent lyrics. Snoop Dogg was also battling a murder case as well.

Now you have Snoop Dogg hosting game shows & cooking shows with Martha Stewart. My how times have changed for him, lol.

When it comes to men's rights I'm sure they lean "right" in a sense, but other factors (probably the perceived race angle) still caused Daz Dillinger to attack Kanye West & Donald Trump heheh. They also represent California, the most liberal state in the USA.

[VisionsofGandhi]

Even though Nas is in my opinion the greatest rapper ever, Their were one rapper whO had the chance to become the greatest one ever to bless the mic, Canibus, When i was about 15 i found about his diss against LL Cool J never seen something so fire spitted in rap history. But man his first album was straight trash the beats were beyond sub par. The nigga had the weirdest concepts as well , If my memory is serving me right i remembered him rapping about dolphins and shit.

Never had been late down that much in my life. Does anyone know why the album was so trash? Maybe Wyclef had something to do with it.

[RIslander]

I am not a huge hip hop fan some alot of the shit from the 1990s was badass. I ended up in a tiny hip hop bar in Saigon a few years back that played it exclusively, which is where I first heard about Gang Starr. He is in my opinion an all time great who really puts thought into his lyrics. Gotta love the Boston accent too.

I

[VisionsofGandhi]

(06-22-2018 03:37 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

I am not a huge hip hop fan some alot of the shit from the 1990s was badass. I ended up in a tiny hip hop bar in Saigon a few years back that played it exclusively, which is where I first heard about Gang Starr. He is in my opinion an all time great who really puts thought into his lyrics. Gotta love the Boston accent too.

I

Guru, one of the few who can pull off rapping with a monotone flow

[TravelerKai]

(06-20-2018 12:08 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

A full page of lists and no one put Biggie in their TOP 5???

Biggie
Kendrick
Jay-Z
Wyclef
Lil Wayne
...many more

Fugees
Wu-Tang
A$AP
Three 6 Mafia
Outkast

Most of you won't like this, but Biggie had 2. Yes 2 albums. I can understand when people claim Tupac is the GOAT. Nigga had 5 albums and like damn near 10 more after he died. Dude stayed in the studio almost as much as he stayed in trouble.

Everyone got their fav 5 and whatnot and that is cool and all, but aside from delivery, flow, lyricism, stage presence, looks, themes, appeal, fashion, etc. What about the body of work? Biggie was cool because he was A+ on all of those things I mentioned before, except for the body of work. It's small. I think Big Punisher, even though he has about 2-3 albums, has alot more work overall too. Lots of guys that missed out on Big Pun, missed out on a monster. Dude had some insane bars and wild metaphors back in his prime. Everytime one of these kinds of discussions come up, no doubt someone (usually NY or East Coast) will put Pun in their top 5. I can understand that reasoning, even if I actually disagree. I think one person has already done so in the thread. Now one or two people has said Biggie.

I think after time passed, people got over the rawness of the top two rappers in America dying in a short period of time, and can step back and look at their work a bit more objectively.

Biggie is like if Derrick Rose quit basketball in 2012. Would he be hall of fame worthy off that? No idea, but to some people the answer would be a flat no.

It's kind of like in the guitar world. Was Jimi Hendrix the best guitarist that ever lived? No not necessarily, but no one can fault you for saying different. Was John Coltrane the best tenor sax player ever? No, not necessarily and again no one can fault you. When they passed away lots of people felt that way, but after a while others like Stevie Ray, Clapton, Ernie Isley, etc. I would name a potentially better sax player than Coltrane, but I keep giggling when I think of dudes like Wayne Shorter or Cannonball Adderley. I'll leave that one alone.

[Rocha]

Now seriously, never been much of an Hip Hop fan, but dropping here some names that I enjoyed a bit of their work.

Warren G
Afrika Bambataa
Public Enemy
Beastie Boys
Erik B. And Rakim
Salt n pepa
Ice Cube
Ice-T
Whodini
Run DMC
Tupac
Puff Daddy

[VisionsofGandhi]

(06-22-2018 04:22 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:08 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

A full page of lists and no one put Biggie in their TOP 5???

Biggie
Kendrick
Jay-Z
Wyclef
Lil Wayne
...many more

Fugees
Wu-Tang
A$AP
Three 6 Mafia
Outkast

Most of you won't like this, but Biggie had 2. Yes 2 albums. I can understand when people claim Tupac is the GOAT. Nigga had 5 albums and like damn near 10 more after he died. Dude stayed in the studio almost as much as he stayed in trouble.

Everyone got their fav 5 and whatnot and that is cool and all, but aside from delivery, flow, lyricism, stage presence, looks, themes, appeal, fashion, etc. What about the body of work? Biggie was cool because he was A+ on all of those things I mentioned before, except for the body of work. It's small. I think Big Punisher, even though he has about 2-3 albums, has alot more work overall too. Lots of guys that missed out on Big Pun, missed out on a monster. Dude had some insane bars and wild metaphors back in his prime. Everytime one of these kinds of discussions come up, no doubt someone (usually NY or East Coast) will put Pun in their top 5. I can understand that reasoning, even if I actually disagree. I think one person has already done so in the thread. Now one or two people has said Biggie.

I think after time passed, people got over the rawness of the top two rappers in America dying in a short period of time, and can step back and look at their work a bit more objectively.

Biggie is like if Derrick Rose quit basketball in 2012. Would he be hall of fame worthy off that? No idea, but to some people the answer would be a flat no.

It's kind of like in the guitar world. Was Jimi Hendrix the best guitarist that ever lived? No not necessarily, but no one can fault you for saying different. Was John Coltrane the best tenor sax player ever? No, not necessarily and again no one can fault you. When they passed away lots of people felt that way, but after a while others like Stevie Ray, Clapton, Ernie Isley, etc. I would name a potentially better sax player than Coltrane, but I keep giggling when I think of dudes like Wayne Shorter or Cannonball Adderley. I'll leave that one alone.

I understand what you're saying and agree to an extent but Biggie and Big pun skillset and talent easily trumps their lack of discography

[Scuba_Instructor]

(06-21-2018 10:54 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 10:17 PM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

Shit, a thread about great rappers and nobody mentions R.A. The Rugged Man?

I invite you all to sit back, relax, and listen to one of the greatest verses of all time.

This song is a collaboration by Vinnie Paz of Jedi Mind Tricks and R.A. The Rugged Man, about the Vietnam war.

Vinnie Paz's verse isn't bad at all, but at 1:30 into the song, R.A. goes on an epic non-stop 2 minute rampage.

- Insane lyricism
- It tells the TRUE story of his own father who fought in the war
- You can almost imagine yourself being there

Listen to this and tell me that's not good.

As an alternative, listen to pretty much any song by R.A.

Another gem that gives me goosebumps.

Fans of pure lyrics, lyrics, lyrics: enjoy.

Edit: also worth mentioning that this cat has been around since the days of Biggie and was one of his personal friends. In fact, Biggie had immense respect for him.

From the article:

Quote:

Now before you think: “Oh yeah, another new industry cat who the media are claiming is the new saviour of hip-hop.” Think again. R.A. has been in the game since the early nineties. He was being derogatory to women and taking jabs at himself long before Dr. Dre found a certain Mr. Mathers’ demo tape on Jimmy Iovine’s garage floor. R.A. signed to Jive at 18 before being infamously dropped after they wanted him to make a record like Biggie’s Juicy. As Jive had already lined Biggie up for a guest spot the duo decided to make the most of the studio time and Cunt Renaissance was born. It is the filthiest, un-radio friendly joint I have ever heard. However, the track which got Rugged the respect amongst his peers he so rightly deserved was Every Record Label Sucks Dick; this time R.A. went directly at the label themselves. After their work together Biggie himself was famously quoted when referring to R.A.:“I thought I was the illest”.

R.A. then decided that going independent was the best way forward for his career and in 2004 dropped Die Rugged Man, Die. Five more years of an almost unheard R.A. and Legendary Classics Volume 1 drops: a collection of R.A.’s unreleased and best tracks. Not in a record store near you, but R.A. fans know where they can get their hands on this rare treat.

Guy has been independent all of his life.

LOL, yeah I love RA The Rugged Man. Ever since I heard "Stanley Kubrick" I was hooked. Another man's man / veteran in the hip hop game. None of this queer shit that has been pushed more recently heheheh.

Damn, I want to change my list now. Love RA and he's a funny guy too. 'Luv to Fuck' could be a forum anthem

[TravelerKai]

(06-22-2018 04:39 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 04:22 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:08 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

A full page of lists and no one put Biggie in their TOP 5???

Biggie
Kendrick
Jay-Z
Wyclef
Lil Wayne
...many more

Fugees
Wu-Tang
A$AP
Three 6 Mafia
Outkast

Most of you won't like this, but Biggie had 2. Yes 2 albums. I can understand when people claim Tupac is the GOAT. Nigga had 5 albums and like damn near 10 more after he died. Dude stayed in the studio almost as much as he stayed in trouble.

Everyone got their fav 5 and whatnot and that is cool and all, but aside from delivery, flow, lyricism, stage presence, looks, themes, appeal, fashion, etc. What about the body of work? Biggie was cool because he was A+ on all of those things I mentioned before, except for the body of work. It's small. I think Big Punisher, even though he has about 2-3 albums, has alot more work overall too. Lots of guys that missed out on Big Pun, missed out on a monster. Dude had some insane bars and wild metaphors back in his prime. Everytime one of these kinds of discussions come up, no doubt someone (usually NY or East Coast) will put Pun in their top 5. I can understand that reasoning, even if I actually disagree. I think one person has already done so in the thread. Now one or two people has said Biggie.

I think after time passed, people got over the rawness of the top two rappers in America dying in a short period of time, and can step back and look at their work a bit more objectively.

Biggie is like if Derrick Rose quit basketball in 2012. Would he be hall of fame worthy off that? No idea, but to some people the answer would be a flat no.

It's kind of like in the guitar world. Was Jimi Hendrix the best guitarist that ever lived? No not necessarily, but no one can fault you for saying different. Was John Coltrane the best tenor sax player ever? No, not necessarily and again no one can fault you. When they passed away lots of people felt that way, but after a while others like Stevie Ray, Clapton, Ernie Isley, etc. I would name a potentially better sax player than Coltrane, but I keep giggling when I think of dudes like Wayne Shorter or Cannonball Adderley. I'll leave that one alone.

I understand what you're saying and agree to an extent but Biggie and Big pun skillset and talent easily trumps their lack of discography

Ok so what happens when you get others with equal or greater skillset and talent but a large discography? You get Nas. You get Eminem. You put Nas on top like I did.

I cannot stand him, but I give Tom Brady's cheatin ass credit for being one of the GOATs of football. He would not have those accolades if he was not able to play until 40. Same goes for Peyton or Brees too. Brett Favre played a long ass time, maybe longer, but he still isn't as talented as those others.

I personally do not like Eminem (even before his politics), and only own a few of his albums, mixtapes, etc. but I still gotta give credit where it is due. He was a beast and for a long time at that.

I see someone put Rakim at 1 and Nas at 1a. Rakim was not only a lyrical beast but a pioneer. Too many niggas owe their style and flow to him, including Nas. Yet he only has what? 1-3 solo albums? The rest of his stuff is with Eric B as a group. (Damn maybe I should have put them in my top 5 groups!) People only like 2 out of those 3 albums. He fell off solo wise. How can he be the best?

[Dulceácido]

I must be old a shit. My top 5 are:

1.NWA
2.NWA
3.NWA
4.NWA
5.NWA

(and I don't even like rap)

[Winston Wolfe]

(06-22-2018 04:22 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I think Big Punisher, even though he has about 2-3 albums, has alot more work overall too. Lots of guys that missed out on Big Pun, missed out on a monster. Dude had some insane bars and wild metaphors back in his prime. Everytime one of these kinds of discussions come up, no doubt someone (usually NY or East Coast) will put Pun in their top 5. I can understand that reasoning, even if I actually disagree. I think one person has already done so in the thread. Now one or two people has said Biggie.

Chris Rivers, Big Pun's son, can rhyme too!

[jordypip23]

(06-22-2018 03:30 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

Even though Nas is in my opinion the greatest rapper ever, Their were one rapper whO had the chance to become the greatest one ever to bless the mic, Canibus, When i was about 15 i found about his diss against LL Cool J never seen something so fire spitted in rap history. But man his first album was straight trash the beats were beyond sub par. The nigga had the weirdest concepts as well , If my memory is serving me right i remembered him rapping about dolphins and shit.

Never had been late down that much in my life. Does anyone know why the album was so trash? Maybe Wyclef had something to do with it.

The Canibus vs. LL Cool J beef was a legendary hip hop battle. I won't ever forget that one. Both diss tracks were awesome even though LL Cool J technically won. I mean, Canibus put up a good fight. Even had Mike Tyson on his track (2nd Round Knockout). Pretty fucking vicious, lol.