[Teedub]

It's a shame Taleb Kweli has become a completely idiotic SJW. He's not a stupid man, at all, so to see some of his twitter arguments is just soul destroying. I know arguing in 130 characters of whatever it is makes most people look stupid, but man... that Reflection Eternal album was excellent. Him and Hi-Tek were great. Common is someone else I really liked actually, just while we're on the subject of that kind of stuff. And even though Dead Prez 'hated' white people, I loved that Let's Get Free debut album.

[tonysoprano]

(06-23-2018 04:56 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

It's a shame Taleb Kweli has become a completely idiotic SJW. He's not a stupid man, at all, so to see some of his twitter arguments is just soul destroying. I know arguing in 130 characters of whatever it is makes most people look stupid, but man... that Reflection Eternal album was excellent. Him and Hi-Tek were great. Common is someone else I really liked actually, just while we're on the subject of that kind of stuff. And even though Dead Prez 'hated' white people, I loved that Let's Get Free debut album.

Sadly, lots of my favorite rappers have turned into race-baiting SJWs which is why I tend to ignore their mainstream personas and social media BS.

I forgot about Common, should have been on my list.

[VisionsofGandhi]

I never heard common rhyme in my life. Lyrically he's pretty bad. He basically talks while his flowing on his records

[TravelerKai]

(06-22-2018 09:56 PM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 04:22 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I think Big Punisher, even though he has about 2-3 albums, has alot more work overall too. Lots of guys that missed out on Big Pun, missed out on a monster. Dude had some insane bars and wild metaphors back in his prime. Everytime one of these kinds of discussions come up, no doubt someone (usually NY or East Coast) will put Pun in their top 5. I can understand that reasoning, even if I actually disagree. I think one person has already done so in the thread. Now one or two people has said Biggie.

Chris Rivers, Big Pun's son, can rhyme too!

Chris is legit, but he really needs to stop bullshitting around, get signed to someone, and start cranking out joints.

He seems to be afraid of the record industry. Those fears are warranted, but if he is gonna go solo he better get on Youtube or something and start dropping bombs.

[VisionsofGandhi]

(06-23-2018 05:25 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 09:56 PM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 04:22 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I think Big Punisher, even though he has about 2-3 albums, has alot more work overall too. Lots of guys that missed out on Big Pun, missed out on a monster. Dude had some insane bars and wild metaphors back in his prime. Everytime one of these kinds of discussions come up, no doubt someone (usually NY or East Coast) will put Pun in their top 5. I can understand that reasoning, even if I actually disagree. I think one person has already done so in the thread. Now one or two people has said Biggie.

Chris Rivers, Big Pun's son, can rhyme too!

Chris is legit, but he really needs to stop bullshitting around, get signed to someone, and start cranking out joints.

He seems to be afraid of the record industry. Those fears are warranted, but if he is gonna go solo he better get on Youtube or something and start dropping bombs.

He's too lyrical. Their's no way you're going to get mainstream attention if that lyrical. The industry only puts out shit you can vibe to ,club bangers and murder music

[TravelerKai]

(06-23-2018 04:56 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

It's a shame Taleb Kweli has become a completely idiotic SJW. He's not a stupid man, at all, so to see some of his twitter arguments is just soul destroying. I know arguing in 130 characters of whatever it is makes most people look stupid, but man... that Reflection Eternal album was excellent. Him and Hi-Tek were great. Common is someone else I really liked actually, just while we're on the subject of that kind of stuff. And even though Dead Prez 'hated' white people, I loved that Let's Get Free debut album.

Lets be honest here. Elephant in the room shit.

Even back in the early 2000s. Kweli was not intelligent at all.

He could not even do 5%'er logic correctly.

He could not even do Black Nationalist logic correctly.

He was one of those very few people that I would have singled out as being Afrocentric but not a BN. Even then, he would screw that up in his rhymes with weak pop shots.

Now that he is whole hog SJW mentally retarded, people are surprised. He tried to rhyme about subjects and would always jumble them up.

I just looked at his wiki just now for the first time

Quote:

Early life
Born in Brooklyn, New York, Kweli grew up in a household in Park Slope. His mother, Brenda Greene, is an English professor at Medgar Evers College of the City University of New York and his father an administrator at Adelphi University. His younger brother, Jamal Greene, is a professor of constitutional law at Columbia Law School, a graduate of Yale Law School, and former clerk to Justice John Paul Stevens on the Supreme Court. As a youth, he was drawn to Afrocentric rappers, such as De La Soul and other members of the Native Tongues Posse whom he had met in high school. Kweli was a student at Cheshire Academy, a boarding school in Connecticut. He was previously a student at Brooklyn Technical High School before being academically dismissed. He later studied experimental theater at New York University.[2]

He flunked out of high school.

See if you ever studied his rhymes closely enough you would know that he sounded uneducated. He certainly came off that way to me. Now from the age of wikipedia, I now know that his momma and his brother are scholars and he must have been moonlighting off their knowledge, but he himself likely does not even have a GED. Tried experimental theatre at NYU. Doesn't seem like he even got that degree in basket weaving.

Look don't call me a hater but Kweli is not a thug rapper. He is supposed to be a an intellectual and Afrocentric rapper. He is supposed to be well read or studied on things. He cannot even study to be liberal. How the fuck is going to rap about being liberal? How can he have intelligent discussions on social media as a liberal?

Maybe he has ADD with dyslexia or some other learning disability that we do not know about. Who knows. What we do know is that if it was not for the Mighty Mos Def and Kanye West, we would not know who this nigga even is. Be honest with yourselves and ask your own self if you would know who he is without either Mos or Kanye.

[tonysoprano]

(06-23-2018 05:17 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

I never heard common rhyme in my life. Lyrically he's pretty bad. He basically talks while his flowing on his records

I know exactly what you mean, but that's just his style. To say he's bad lyrically is just not true. Lyricism has a number of components, many of which Common checks the boxes for. I Used to Love H.E.R is a good example of a lyrical song infused with his unique 'talking' style.

He has a pretty good grasp of rhyme schemes as shown on his first verse in Resurrection for example:

I stagger in the gatherin' possessed by a patter-in
That be scatterin'
Over the global, my vocals be travelin', unravelin' my abdomen
It's slime that's babblin' grammatics that are masculine
I grab the men, verbally badgering broads
I wish that Madelyne was back on Video LP
I went against all odds and got a even steven
Proceed to read and not believin' everything I'm readin'
But my brain was bleedin', needin' feedin', and exercise
I didn't seek the best of buys, it's a lie to textualize
I analyze where I rest my eyes
And chastise the best of guys with punchlines
I'm Nestle when it's crunch-time

(06-23-2018 05:28 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

He's too lyrical. Their's no way you're going to get mainstream attention if that lyrical. The industry only puts out shit you can vibe to ,club bangers and murder music

Agreed on this, seems like he tries a little to hard to pump out the lyricism, and it comes off as forced imo. Perfect example is his freestyle on Sway. It left me thinking, 'Is this dude serious?'. He comes off as corny and try-hard

(on Chris Rivers)

[TravelerKai]

(06-23-2018 05:17 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

I never heard common rhyme in my life. Lyrically he's pretty bad. He basically talks while his flowing on his records

Common was a poet that became a rapper.

He was influenced by Gil-Scott Heron. I think he even talked about that somewhere before. He took his style 100%. Jazz poetry and spoken word prose over a simple beat.

Technically speaking the first American rappers can be either be Blowfly or Gil Scott Heron depending upon who you ask. 1971 seems to be the issue because you can point to evidence in both guys of this stuff around that year.

EDIT: Before someone dings me, I think Sammy Davis Jr. once rapped about something before. I heard it but it wasn't over a beat per se (breakbeat, etc.). I don't think that is the same thing at all, but that's just my opinion.

[VisionsofGandhi]

[quote] (06-23-2018 05:48 PM)tonysoprano Wrote:  

[quote='VisionsofGandhi' pid='1807026' dateline='1529792268']
I never heard common rhyme in my life. Lyrically he's pretty bad. He basically talks while his flowing on his records[/quote]



I stagger in the gatherin' possessed by a patter-in
That be scatterin'
Over the global, my vocals be travelin', unravelin' my abdomen
It's slime that's babblin' grammatics that are masculine
I grab the men, verbally badgering broads
I wish that Madelyne was back on Video LP
I went against all odds and got a even steven
Proceed to read and not believin' everything I'm readin'
But my brain was bleedin', needin' feedin', and exercise
I didn't seek the best of buys, it's a lie to textualize
I analyze where I rest my eyes
And chastise the best of guys with punchlines
I'm Nestle when it's crunch-time


I should've analyzed his raps better i honestly taught when i listened to that particular song that he didn't rhyme. It was pretty good. But still not the greatest vocabulary

[TravelerKai]

(06-23-2018 05:28 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 05:25 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 09:56 PM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 04:22 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I think Big Punisher, even though he has about 2-3 albums, has alot more work overall too. Lots of guys that missed out on Big Pun, missed out on a monster. Dude had some insane bars and wild metaphors back in his prime. Everytime one of these kinds of discussions come up, no doubt someone (usually NY or East Coast) will put Pun in their top 5. I can understand that reasoning, even if I actually disagree. I think one person has already done so in the thread. Now one or two people has said Biggie.

Chris Rivers, Big Pun's son, can rhyme too!

Chris is legit, but he really needs to stop bullshitting around, get signed to someone, and start cranking out joints.

He seems to be afraid of the record industry. Those fears are warranted, but if he is gonna go solo he better get on Youtube or something and start dropping bombs.

He's too lyrical. Their's no way you're going to get mainstream attention if that lyrical. The industry only puts out shit you can vibe to ,club bangers and murder music

Nah, you got tons of dickriding on Kendrick Lamar. Young fans would dig him if he actually put in some work in the studio.

Worst case scenario. If he became the next MF DOOM, would that really be all that bad? MF Doom has his own cult following. He only looks like a bum and wears that mask because he likely has assburgers, but nobody told him to wear it. He likely would get more fans too if he was more consistent at actually WORKING in the studio too.

People sometimes forget why certain rappers are pop culture wise, in the top 20-30 artists when someone googles "Top artists of some genre"

It's because they work ALOT. Like their work ethic is high as fuck. Jay Z, Migos, Ludacris, TI, Dr. Dre, Eminem, T Pain, Outkast, Kanye West, Snoop Dogg, Tupac, Lil Wayne, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, Lil Jon, Future, Too Short, Missy Elliot, Lil Boosie, 50 Cent, Camron, Chamillionaire, P Diddy

I could go on and on and on.

What did all of these dudes have in common?

In their primes, they all work/worked like a dog. They were/are constantly recording and perfecting their crafts.

Chris Rivers is 23. He has plenty of time, but he is wasting it like a motherfucker. People knew about him 2 years ago. At my age I cringe when I think about him. I cringe because I worked my ass off at his age. When I got to my mid 30s I was like war ravaged, with PTSD, and having lethargy in waves. Some of the people in that list above are my age or a little older and they are either doing different stuff or have slowed down tremendously. Camron is basically retired and spends time periscoping and doing regular people shit.

Youth is a very terrible thing to waste. Even for men but double so for women.

[Skank_Hunt]

1. Busta Rhymes
2. Biggie
3. Nas
4. Big Pun
5. Cam'Ron

Honorable Mentions (No particular order)

Fat Joe
Rah Digga (only female rapper here, see "Dirty Harriet" it goes hard)
Twista
Beanie Sigel
AZ
Jay-Z
Mystikal
Lil Wayne (2002-2006)
Young Zee (biggest underachiever in hip-hop as far as album quality vs innate talent, I blame the weed)
DMX
Ghostface Killah
Raekwon The Chef
Ma$e (first two albums only, before he went all weird with that pastor shit)
Tupac
Big L
Juvenile
Redman
Ludacris
Q-Tip
Scarface
Roc Marciano
Jadakiss
Big Moe


Groups:

1. M.O.P. (4 consistently sick albums from 1993 to 2000, most underrated group in hip-hop)
2. The Outsidaz
3. Flipmode Squad
4. The Diplomats
5. The LOX

Honorable Mentions

Wu-Tang (I know they are higher on most people's lists, my subjective opinion of their albums rates them lower)
The Fugees
Black Sheep
Children Of The Corn (C.O.C.)
Boot Camp Clik
Diggin In The Crates (D.I.T.C.)
Hot Boys
Leaders Of The New School (L.O.N.S.)
Nappy Roots
UGK
Showbiz And A.G.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Im very suprised to see the few RocMarciano fans in here besides myself. Thought i was the only one.

Listening to him made me realize you dont have to rap fast or loud to kill a track . made me pay attention to lyrics more.

[VisionsofGandhi]

(06-24-2018 08:27 AM)ShotgunUppercuts Wrote:  

Im very suprised to see the few RocMarciano fans in here besides myself. Thought i was the only one.

Listening to him made me realize you dont have to rap fast or loud to kill a track . made me pay attention to lyrics more.

I don't know much about RocMarciano but i love chill rap like this song

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Dza is that dude. Straight spitter . Some of his beat choices are not all that but when he gets a nice one he does his thing


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w3pau04R2Ao

I feel thats the realest shit he ever wrote .

[ShotgunUppercuts]

@Visionsofgandhi

Roc marc used to run with Busta rhymes briefly. Then he branced off and did his own thing. His shit aint for everyone but if you want to check him out start off with his album reloaded or marcberg and take it from there. He dropped an album few months back too .

[IveBeenFramed]

Sean Price
Gang Starr (Premier and GURU)
Big L
Nas
MC Eiht

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Sean P!!!

[Stonk]

No one mentioned Scarface? I am shocked. One of the greatest MCs ever..

[Irn Bru Protein]

1. Cube - very few rappers had the delivery and brutality of pre Lethal Injection Cube. Can you imagine Death Certificate being released today? Trigger central!

2. Kool Keith
3. Rakim
4. Kool G Rap
5. Big L

Groups

1. Wu
2. Ultramags
3. Public Enemy
4. ATCQ
5. Gangstarr

Notable mentions for me are...

Ice T. Guy is pretty jaded however OG was a landmark album

NWA. 2 good albums however pretty much fell to shit once Cube left

[jordypip23]

(06-24-2018 02:54 PM)Irn Bru Protein Wrote:  

1. Cube - very few rappers had the delivery and brutality of pre Lethal Injection Cube. Can you imagine Death Certificate being released today? Trigger central!

2. Kool Keith
3. Rakim
4. Kool G Rap
5. Big L

Groups

1. Wu
2. Ultramags
3. Public Enemy
4. ATCQ
5. Gangstarr

Notable mentions for me are...

Ice T. Guy is pretty jaded however OG was a landmark album

NWA. 2 good albums however pretty much fell to shit once Cube left

Hahah, holy shit. I'm a huge Kool Keith stan. He is too weird & sex-rap focused for the average rap fan (I am not average lol) though but the guy has had one of the most illustrious independent careers out of anyone in hip hop.

Kool Keith - Remember Me

[azulsombra]

Top 5 Jewish Rappers

1. Drake
2. Beastie Boys
3. Lil Dicky
4. Action Bronson
5. Mac Miller

Honourable Mention
1. Rapping Rodney
2. Andy Samberg of Lonely Island
3. Asher Roth

[Maistre]

In no particular order

Kanye West
GZA
Tupac
Eminem
Snoop Dogg
Ice Cube

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Coulda swore action is albanian or something.

[Lowkey]

He is half jewish half albanian

[UlteriorMotive]

Tyler the Creator for sure.

Even though the kid talks some serious shit sometimes I've gotta take my hat off at a lot of his productions.

Musically his tracks are near-perfect on Flower Boy.

Like Adam in the garden of Eve
My bitch got an apple bottom and she swallow my seeds