[Dusty]

We all know what’s going on in Florida.

[rotekz]

[Leonard D Neubache]

[floor7]

(11-09-2018 11:03 AM)Libertas Wrote:  

It also doesn't help that, crazy as she is, Sinema is a lot more bangable, which, having seen nothing else from the race aside from those tapes, made me think she had a good chance to win despite how crazy she sounded. Still a lot to come in. It's going to come down to the wire. Everything depends on what parts of Maricopa are still out.

Anyway, some good news and bad news coming out of all of this. It seems Republicans have made inroads with blacks and Hispanics everywhere, but they're also losing white voters. For example, in Florida, DeSantis got 14% of the black vote and 44% of the Hispanic vote but lost 4% of Trump's share of the white vote from 2016, down 9 points(!) among white women. If DeSantis and Scott had kept Trump's white vote share, they'd have run away with this thing and no amount of fraud from Broward would be keeping us in suspense like this. And in Arizona, Sinema wouldn't even be a thing.

These pearl clutching suburban whites are a big, big problem. The women in particular (shocking).

There's no doubt that the decline in marriage and the retardation of family formation among Millennials is a massive problem, along with the decline of masculinity and, obviously, the continued indoctrination in the universities. All of these things need to be dealt with.

Short term, Trump is probably going to need to lower the temperature and has to get the ball moving on healthcare.

In my opinion, Trump doesn't have to change a thing in terms of his behavior. His asinine pivot to trying to tackle health care first was what did the R's in across the rust belt.

When medicaid expansion was put on the ballot in R states last week, it won.

The losses aren't on Trump. They are on Ryan and McConnel and trump letting them control legislative priorities.

[PharaohRa]

I still think that Florida Governor and Senate seat is in the R camp mainly because Scott and DeSantis are GOPe good boys who Trump can work with over the next few years.

[floor7]

(11-09-2018 03:25 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

(11-09-2018 02:15 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

WB Sinema definitely, with full video evidence. Does that matter much though Libertas? Democrat women are usually trolls, so they don't have much problem getting elected if ugly.

It matters enough. It's well-known that more attractive people do better in elections (as in everything else in life). It was partially for this reason that I pegged Josh Hawley as winning in Missouri and earlier in the year wasn't surprised when Conor Lamb won in Pennsylvania.

It's obviously not the only reason, but it does matter.

(11-09-2018 02:15 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I don't trust ANY of these midterms with the schenanigans in Florida, Arizona etc. This midterm can NEVER happen again (voter ID NOW.) If it was possible the results should be thrown out and a fair election should be run (I'm aware this is completely untenable politically.)

There's nothing unusual going on in Arizona. They're just painfully slow to report. The ballot count was already tabulated and known.

Florida is a different story because new ballots just magically "appeared" after the actual vote when they were required to be reported 30 minutes after the polls closed and Broward is still refusing to say how many are left outstanding, in violation of state law.

Voter ID wouldn't solve this. In fact, I think Florida (and Arizona too) already has voter ID. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If he runs against Toomey in 2022, there's a good chance he wins. Toomey only beat McGinty (a truly weak candidate) by 1.5% in 2016.

[8ball]

I predict this forum in 2020 will be divided in 2 teams:

Team 1. Lets go Trump
Team 2. Lets fast-track the apocalypse.



Some positives for 1:
The repatriation of all that money abroad is ongoing and America's companies will continue to invest in the US with a very competitive 21% tax rate. There will not be a slow down or a recession in the next 2 years. There has been some defunding from Devos in the department of education and national defense has cut some women programs. EPA has been reduced which does work in concert with other leftist institutions. Also some billions of dollars that go to "civil rights" groups has been cut. The major victory could be blocking state department from funneling money abroad to Ngo's, i haven't seen any progress on this but there are still 2 years left. 2 SCJ picked with likely at least 2-3 more in post 2020, many more federal judges.

Rants and dark prediction for 2:
There is no point in delaying the inevitable. America is destined for conflict or at least a soft civil war. An outright leftist victory across all branches of government would seal its fate. All they have to do is legalize 4-5 million illegals and each one can sponsor 8-10 people, not including the other legal migration waves. Of course in the Dems win, they will likely legalize at least 11 milion straight away. America will suffer temporarily while we clever Rfvers will be abroad at an airbnb in "insert country that doesn't teach it's next generation to hate themselves." Conflict will start with the republican party divided in 2 then further. After which the Dem party will be divided into a "liberal party" and a Socialist party. You will have multi party system with separatists, anarchists, ethnocentric parties all partially funded by China, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Western countries, even mexico might have a say. They will each take opposite sides or try and control both sides of the conflict. American corporations will betray the government by allying with foreign countries in exchange for greater access to their market, starting with Google-Facebook in China. Remember, the main enemy of a multinational CEO is government.





I think the Dem candidate will be favored to win. North Carolina and Florida will have millions of inmates voting. Trump might do some sort of a daca deal, if not he won't get the wall, either way its a lose lose situation. There is going to be a wave of congressional investigations in the next 2 years. Also tech companies and media conglomerates have been cracking down hard on conservatives and are working nicely together.

I don't think trump will have many victories in the next 2 years, he will try and pivot during election time to the issues that got him elected, unfortunately he hasn't moved the needle much and will have hard time getting that 2016 turnout with an increasingly unfavorable "American" demographic.

[Libertas]

(11-11-2018 08:36 PM)floor7 Wrote:  

In my opinion, Trump doesn't have to change a thing in terms of his behavior. His asinine pivot to trying to tackle health care first was what did the R's in across the rust belt.

When medicaid expansion was put on the ballot in R states last week, it won.

The losses aren't on Trump. They are on Ryan and McConnel and trump letting them control legislative priorities.

He is going to have to pivot a bit. It's primarily for that reason that these pearl clutching suburban voters are suddenly voting Democrat. Granted, the GOP surprisingly had more success with minorities but they aren't coming around fast enough to offset the loss of suburbanites.

Agreed that it was a dumb idea to go after health care first. I said so at the time. Something will need to get done though on a bipartisan basis. Democrats ran hard on this issue so they'll need to do something too.

(11-12-2018 12:38 AM)8ball Wrote:  

I don't think trump will have many victories in the next 2 years, he will try and pivot during election time to the issues that got him elected, unfortunately he hasn't moved the needle much and will have hard time getting that 2016 turnout with an increasingly unfavorable "American" demographic.

They got the 2016 turnout this year in Florida, Ohio, and elsewhere. Better start building that wall though.

[ChicagoFire]

+1

This is why this forum is great. We skate to where the puck is going, not to where it used to be which liberals are totally incapable of. Apparently not all of us on this forum are pro-Trump but at least provide insight and not some NPC comment about him being a [insert your favorite -ism].

I personally think until 2020 Trump will have a hard time getting his agenda passed and from 2020-2024 that's when the ball will start rolling (The Wall, education reform, lock them up, Keystone, etc). But yeah we're just hanging by a thread for scenario 2 dystopia boogaloo to come into fruition. Immigration and just one more Obama truly is the deathblow that will undo everything. EVERYTHING! Just look at the midterms. If Republicans took the House it means the D's have been handed outright defeat for their backwards values. Unfortunately election fraud and immigration prevailed. There even has been discussions that if Democrats ever get back power they will amend the Constitution and flood the Supreme Court. I personally don't plan on going anywhere.

(11-12-2018 12:38 AM)8ball Wrote:  

I predict this forum in 2020 will be divided in 2 teams:

Team 1. Lets go Trump
Team 2. Lets fast-track the apocalypse.



Some positives for 1:
The repatriation of all that money abroad is ongoing and America's companies will continue to invest in the US with a very competitive 21% tax rate. There will not be a slow down or a recession in the next 2 years. There has been some defunding from Devos in the department of education and national defense has cut some women programs. EPA has been reduced which does work in concert with other leftist institutions. Also some billions of dollars that go to "civil rights" groups has been cut. The major victory could be blocking state department from funneling money abroad to Ngo's, i haven't seen any progress on this but there are still 2 years left. 2 SCJ picked with likely at least 2-3 more in post 2020, many more federal judges.

Rants and dark prediction for 2:
There is no point in delaying the inevitable. America is destined for conflict or at least a soft civil war. An outright leftist victory across all branches of government would seal its fate. All they have to do is legalize 4-5 million illegals and each one can sponsor 8-10 people, not including the other legal migration waves. Of course in the Dems win, they will likely legalize at least 11 milion straight away. America will suffer temporarily while we clever Rfvers will be abroad at an airbnb in "insert country that doesn't teach it's next generation to hate themselves." Conflict will start with the republican party divided in 2 then further. After which the Dem party will be divided into a "liberal party" and a Socialist party. You will have multi party system with separatists, anarchists, ethnocentric parties all partially funded by China, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Western countries, even mexico might have a say. They will each take opposite sides or try and control both sides of the conflict. American corporations will betray the government by allying with foreign countries in exchange for greater access to their market, starting with Google-Facebook in China. Remember, the main enemy of a multinational CEO is government.





I think the Dem candidate will be favored to win. North Carolina and Florida will have millions of inmates voting. Trump might do some sort of a daca deal, if not he won't get the wall, either way its a lose lose situation. There is going to be a wave of congressional investigations in the next 2 years. Also tech companies and media conglomerates have been cracking down hard on conservatives and are working nicely together.

I don't think trump will have many victories in the next 2 years, he will try and pivot during election time to the issues that got him elected, unfortunately he hasn't moved the needle much and will have hard time getting that 2016 turnout with an increasingly unfavorable "American" demographic.

[budoslavic]

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[Oz.]

The situation down here in Florida is looking very strange and the media is doing everything in its power to avoid the issue. They will cover literally anything besides this ie. first the California shooting, now it's the wildfires.

What are the chances of the election results being turned around? and if so what would be the repercussions of this?

[Steve McQueen]

Hopefully the end to peaceful co existence with a rival party that wants you and yours 6 feet under along with all like minded people.

I say bring it on, lm ready for all out war with the other side, l get no say here in lreland, all the parties are Marxist and the media is all left wing. If the shooting starts ld be happy this particular cycle has now ended and we can stop with having trannies going into schools to convert infants to their way of life. If the ballot box doesn't work perhaps bullets will.

[MaceTyrell]

So Republicans lost the Senate seat in Arizona.

[Libertas]

(11-12-2018 05:50 PM)Oz. Wrote:  

The situation down here in Florida is looking very strange and the media is doing everything in its power to avoid the issue. They will cover literally anything besides this ie. first the California shooting, now it's the wildfires.

What are the chances of the election results being turned around? and if so what would be the repercussions of this?

Low. DeSantis' margin is too big for fraud. He will be certified the winner once the machine recount ends.

There's a lot more room for shenanigans with Scott with undervote counting, but even there, no recount in history has ever come close to overturning 12,500 votes. Recounts don't do that.

And now everyone is watching closely.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Even if the Democrats don't steal any of these elections they will use this cloud of conjecture to whip the morons in their party into believing the election was stolen from them.

That means a bunch more years with dipshits wrecking up the place screaming that the elections were illegitimate. We saw that with the Democrats screaming for two years about the popular vote and how it somehow meant that Trump's presidency was illegitimate. Watch for the Democrats in these tight races to avoid being investigated by spineless Republicans by cooking up enough fake votes to get the number close to the Republican count, conceding the race "because of legal threats from the Trump regime" and then miraculously finding 10,000 more votes that would have put them over the line, thus planting the premise in the heads of their dipshit followers that they were robbed of the election by the horrible cheating fascists.

[Captainstabbin]

[JimBobsCooters]

Don't know if anyone mentioned it but saw an article just now about how the first two native American women were elected to congress...

But I thought Elizabeth Warren was Native American? Interesting they've basically acknowledged her fraud without ever commenting on it...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/us/el...avids.html

[CynicalContrarian]

Perhaps the solution to AZ is to import some Taliban into Sinema's neighbourhood...?

She seems to like them after-all.

[heavy]

Let's not forget...



https://youtu.be/hDc8PVCvfKs

One stop shop reason the anti- Jordan Petersons on this forum aren't entirely wrong (speaking as a JP fan).

[Caduceus]

So has Trump let the Arizona Senate race go to the democrats without an investigation of the vote count ?
Is it officially over ?

[redpillage]

(11-15-2018 11:52 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  

So has Trump let the Arizona Senate race go to the democrats without an investigation of the vote count ?
Is it officially over ?

I know, I'm fucking pulling my hair out at this point. Meanwhile the Democrats are becoming more emboldened every single day.

[ChicagoFire]

Don't stop there. Stand down orders from commy mayors in cities like Portland and Baltimore have gone unpunished. Trump is just buying us all time. The left plays offense and banks on the nearly predictable "high ground" response of the right.

(11-15-2018 11:52 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  

So has Trump let the Arizona Senate race go to the democrats without an investigation of the vote count ?
Is it officially over ?

[redpillage]

(11-15-2018 12:33 PM)ChicagoFire Wrote:  

Don't stop there. Stand down orders from commy mayors in cities like Portland and Baltimore have gone unpunished. Trump is just buying us all time. The left plays offense and banks on the nearly predictable "high ground" response of the right.

(11-15-2018 11:52 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  

So has Trump let the Arizona Senate race go to the democrats without an investigation of the vote count ?
Is it officially over ?

EXACTLY THIS. The Dems at this point are playing a game of slow attrition and we've got to be honest guys, IT IS WORKING! If Trump does not come down hard across the front and that soon then he can kiss 2020 goodbye.

[Fender_Bender]

Just a bunch of mean tweets and still no action with regard to this heinous corruption. 2 years with house and Senate down the drain. They keep getting away with it with media blessing, why would they stop? Still on team *wait and see* but my patience is thinning and I'm wondering if we really have lost the republic. It's infuriating that we have no alpha squad assembled by now to support the president and continue his legacy. Just a bunch of cuckservative fake opposition fucks. WTF do we do once he's out?

[ChicagoFire]

^^

Anybody want to recant how Putin took back Russia from the oligarchs in his country? This is just pure speculation on my part, since I'm pressed for time to read about Putin but I think he ruled with an iron fist.

I'm veering at democracy has its weaknesses when there's no national identity, rule of law, and multinational corporations are looking out for themselves. The crazy thing is we haven't seen the sparks fly yet. The moment political assassinations happen (droning anyone?) to the other side it will trickle down to the state level. Foreign powers can get involved at that point, never mind right now, influencing groups to continue the dissolution of America.