[debeguiled]

I hope the forum doesn't devolve into Hef and Anti-Hef factions.

[Atlanta Man]

RIP to a man who got to really do some bad ass women for the entirety of his life, and make a fortune off it.

[Atlanta Man]

(09-28-2017 02:19 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I hope the forum doesn't devolve into Hef and Anti-Hef factions.

I hope this does not become a race thread.....

[kaotic]

(09-28-2017 02:23 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 02:19 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I hope the forum doesn't devolve into Hef and Anti-Hef factions.

I hope this does not become a race thread.....

I'll argue all about the different colors and flavors of pussy all day !

But let's not talk about appetizers though.

[Icarus]

Hefner had a sweet jet in the 1970s:

[realologist]

(09-28-2017 02:23 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 02:19 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I hope the forum doesn't devolve into Hef and Anti-Hef factions.

I hope this does not become a race thread.....

I hope this doesn't become a game vs. money thread
I hope this doesn't become a game vs. fame thread
I hope this doesn't become a game vs. looks thread

I think that has all the possible outcomes covered.

Hugh Hefner. Tagged so much hot tail had to have a magazine to catalog it. Took advantage of the power of pussy and got rich off of it. RIP

[General Stalin]

(09-28-2017 01:18 PM)911 Wrote:  

Joe Stalin was just a bit misunderstood, right?

Well to make an omelet you gotta break 20 million eggs.

[debeguiled]

(09-28-2017 02:23 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 02:19 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I hope the forum doesn't devolve into Hef and Anti-Hef factions.

I hope this does not become a race thread.....

Never heard of it.

[Kona]

(09-28-2017 02:19 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I hope the forum doesn't devolve into Hef and Anti-Hef factions.

Well if it does, I'd like to lead the anti-Hef movement.

I read "Down the Rabbit Hole" by Holly Madison, and it changed my entire perspective about Hugh Hefner.

In a nut shell, Hugh Hefner and his wacky lifestyle was all orchestrated by a team of spin doctor types to sell magazines, and in the early days, get people into playboy casinos.

The way she described it, the "girlfriends" were hired by other people. Hefner actually thought they were his girlfriends. That show they made was totally scripted, but Hefner thought it was real. She also described the gay porn masturbation orgies she participated in. That was some spooky shit.

Now, I understand that she could have written the book because she felt slighted, but I believed it.

Up until I read that, I thought the guy was an icon too. I'd seen multi episode specials about his life, and blah blah blah.

Sadly, its all fake.

Aloha!

[kaotic]

But Kona haven't you seen the lawns at the Playboy Mansion, they're so green and neatly trimmed, all the way up to the Grotto !

[Kona]

(09-28-2017 03:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

But Kona haven't you seen the lawns at the Playboy Mansion, they're so green and neatly trimmed, all the way up to the Grotto !

Yes. But do you think Hugh Hefner himself was out there fertilizing and edging? Hell no.

The guy doesn't know bluegrass from crabgrass. More spin.

Aloha!

[General Stalin]

I dunno man women back in the 70's loved attention, glamor, and excitement just as much as women today. Men of means can award them those things. Hundreds of years ago wealthy men had concubines, mistresses, and courtesans. 50 years ago they broads, dolls, and dames. Today they have IG whores, groupies, and bitches. Etc.

[Repo]

(09-28-2017 03:08 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 02:19 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I hope the forum doesn't devolve into Hef and Anti-Hef factions.

Well if it does, I'd like to lead the anti-Hef movement.

I read "Down the Rabbit Hole" by Holly Madison, and it changed my entire perspective about Hugh Hefner.

In a nut shell, Hugh Hefner and his wacky lifestyle was all orchestrated by a team of spin doctor types to sell magazines, and in the early days, get people into playboy casinos.

The way she described it, the "girlfriends" were hired by other people. Hefner actually thought they were his girlfriends. That show they made was totally scripted, but Hefner thought it was real. She also described the gay porn masturbation orgies she participated in. That was some spooky shit.

Now, I understand that she could have written the book because she felt slighted, but I believed it.

Up until I read that, I thought the guy was an icon too. I'd seen multi episode specials about his life, and blah blah blah.

Sadly, its all fake.

Aloha!

I think its obvious it was fake, but I still give him props for putting himself into the position where he could take advantage and play along. Not going to bother looking into that gay shit though

[debeguiled]

From what I read about Hef, from early on he wasn't just a procurer of girls, he was the guy who organized things for his friends.

He had movie nights and game nights and gathered together people for good conversation and to enjoy the high life.

He was the guy who knew how to have a good time, was always up to something, always throwing parties and get togethers of one sort or another.

When I read this, it changed my view of him and really got me thinking about the social value of being that guy.

That is my take away from Hef's life, in addition of course to seeing naked pictures my friend's dad thought he had hidden.

He was a social instigator, and if you are that guy, it seems the girls would be there naturally, and drawn to you if you didn't fuck it up.

I understand why people are down on the magazine and lifestyle he peddled, but in absence of true mentors and rites of passage starting about in the 70's, it could have been much worse.

[polar]

(09-28-2017 04:49 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

From what I read about Hef, from early on he wasn't just a procurer of girls, he was the guy who organized things for his friends.

He had movie nights and game nights and gathered together people for good conversation and to enjoy the high life.

He was the guy who knew how to have a good time, was always up to something, always throwing parties and get togethers of one sort or another.

When I read this, it changed my view of him and really got me thinking about the social value of being that guy.

Citation, please

[debeguiled]

(09-28-2017 05:35 PM)polar Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 04:49 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

From what I read about Hef, from early on he wasn't just a procurer of girls, he was the guy who organized things for his friends.

He had movie nights and game nights and gathered together people for good conversation and to enjoy the high life.

He was the guy who knew how to have a good time, was always up to something, always throwing parties and get togethers of one sort or another.

When I read this, it changed my view of him and really got me thinking about the social value of being that guy.

Citation, please

Sorry man, read it years ago.

[Troller]

"Old soldiers never die. They just fade away. "

RIP Hefner.

[Aurini]

(09-28-2017 02:02 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

A important detail in his life is that his fiancee, the woman he most likely lost his virginity to, cheated on him while he was serving in the military during World War II. He admitted that her confession before their wedding psychologically broke him, and she let him sleep with other women when they were married in part to atone for what she did. Even after they divorced, she kept working for Playboy.

This really speaks to me about how crucial forgiveness is.

She hurt him; deeply. Maybe more deeply than he could ever forgive. But instead of attempting to forgive her, and either breaking up with her or eventually marrying her, he chose to 'get back' at her.

This is the very core of "Two wrongs don't make a right."

Revenge is a destructive cycle; an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. She wounded him, so he wounded her. Now they were both missing a piece needed to make them whole. He abandoned the spiritual for the material, as did she, leading to the eventual dissolution of their marriage (despite remaining on good terms) and a degraded existence for both of them.

[Troller]

(09-28-2017 06:11 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 02:02 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

A important detail in his life is that his fiancee, the woman he most likely lost his virginity to, cheated on him while he was serving in the military during World War II. He admitted that her confession before their wedding psychologically broke him, and she let him sleep with other women when they were married in part to atone for what she did. Even after they divorced, she kept working for Playboy.

This really speaks to me about how crucial forgiveness is.

She hurt him; deeply. Maybe more deeply than he could ever forgive. But instead of attempting to forgive her, and either breaking up with her or eventually marrying her, he chose to 'get back' at her.

This is the very core of "Two wrongs don't make a right."

Revenge is a destructive cycle; an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. She wounded him, so he wounded her. Now they were both missing a piece needed to make them whole. He abandoned the spiritual for the material, as did she, leading to the eventual dissolution of their marriage (despite remaining on good terms) and a degraded existence for both of them.

So it´s Hefner fault she cheated on him? What are you saying here?

I don´t think he got back at her. He simply was wounded and became broken. Without ever fixing himself up again. It was the whore´s fault.

[Cr33pin]

(09-28-2017 02:02 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

It's worth pointing out that Hugh Hefner was so bored with women by the time the 1960's came around that he started experimenting with gay sex:

Yea... thats like... my excuse to

[Aurini]

(09-28-2017 06:27 PM)Troller Wrote:  

So it´s Hefner fault she cheated on him? What are you saying here?

I don´t think he got back at her. He simply was wounded and became broken. Without ever fixing himself up again. It was the whore´s fault.

Reread my post. I said that where his life ended up was a result of him failing to forgive her.

Maybe this forgiveness would have entailed that he break up with her to work through the grief; maybe he could have forgiven her (without holding it over her head) and they could of made it work. But he went for the easy option.

On her part, she was likely going for the easy option as well. Instead of admitting to herself what she did - that she's a person capable of viciously wounding the man she loves, a man who's risking his life for the sake of his country - she could just let him wound her in return, so as to continue pretending that she was a good person.

[Sherman]

Hefner had four children, several wives, died at 91 (above the average), was surrounded by family when he died, and had plenty of people say nice things about him. He seems to have gotten more love in his life than most people.

[younggun]

(09-28-2017 01:03 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

I respect him for his living of life on his own terms, & that's where it ends.

The "playboy" image/archetype has weakened men & the cheapened our sex in the eyes of the other (& our own). Just as it has given the opposite sex validation & cultural permission for their vainglorious, base drives that harm civilisation.

(09-28-2017 01:42 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

The "Playboy" lifestyle is merely the homosexual urbanite lifestyle being repackaged with heterosexuality. No legacy - no love - just endless hedonism which is never as good as the first time.

Did I get lost or something? I could've sworn I logged in to a game forum. The two posts that were "liked" by the author of Bang are the ones denouncing the playboy lifestyle as hedonism?

You really can't make this shit up.

[Samseau]

This forum is a champion for Game. Did Hef have game? Or was he just a whoremonger? Because let's not kid ourselves, Hugh paid all of his girls. He didn't get them to take off their clothes for free, like a player does, but instead paid them lots of money to show their skin. There is no reason any of his girls would have fucked him had he not paid them.

So: game not recognized.

Moreover, whoring is a dead enterprise, spiritually and morally, and Hugh's celebration and promotion of whoring probably destroyed millions of marriages all over the world.

"He who lusts with his eyes has committed adultery in his heart."

So what do you think the effect of mass producing pictures of whores to the world at large did for families the world over? Hugh probably caused more emotional pain and destruction than most wars have. The repeal of obscenity laws was a major reason for the decline of the West.

In my blue pill days, I used to believe Hugh was the man. But now I just see the women for the whores they were, and Hugh as the publisher pimp who took advantage of a first-mover advantage with photography printing technology. Nowadays women can whore themselves out without a publisher via the internet, making men like Hugh a relic. And when we see Hugh as nothing more than a middle-man, what exactly is there to envy over his lifestyle? I've never been interested in whores myself, and as soon I realized that all "porn" is just whores I stopped viewing immediately.

I think guys are fooled by Hugh's image over what he actually was. Hugh was a whoremonger who glorified whores. He goes against the mantra of self-improvement and learning Game. He is not a masculine role model. He is not a spiritual role model. He is not an intellectual role model. It's no surprise Hugh advocated for every civilizational destroying movement he could. If he did not go senile he would have been all for transexuals, I'm sure.

Had Hugh reacted to his first wife's infidelity by learning the true nature of women and teaching men how to seduce women, then he'd be an inspiration. But simply making money and paying for sex is no more impressive than any other rich junkie selling drugs.

I don't respect the man and have every reason to believe he is suffering tremendously in hell.

[Repo]

If Hugh pays the girls with the money that he makes off them, does it count as paying them?